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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.

Not in the north Atlantic routes, for example. Commercial pilots are not allowed to "use a route they know they want", just because they would prefer to use it. Routes are determined, logged ahead of time, registered, confirmed, and tracked. Otherwise, it would be chaos and calamity on a grand scale would ensue.
ATC adjusts routes all of the time due to weather and traffic, among other reasons. Your notions defy all logic as to how global commercial airlines operate.

You mean to say all of these pilots currently flying at this moment can just simply determine their own route any way they seem pleased:

No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.

I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.

And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!

I told you but you simply deny the facts. The map is wrong and it has been tried to corrected from left to right, hence left the right pathes are closer and right to left pathes are further. That's all.

I know that you told me that but it still doesn't explain the real world time difference. Since the route that the airplanes take in both directions are close to identical! Also it is very strange that a map 'error' is only valid in one direction and not in the other direction. This does not make any sense. An error like this will always be the same in both directions.

So you need to get a better answer than this to explain the real world time difference since you are denying that any wind has any influence on an airplane.

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frenat

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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
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your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it.
Have you even bothered reading that quote thread?
You claimed wind doesn't effect planes.
People pointed out that that is not the case and no pilot would ever accept such nonsense.
You then objected to that and said that some pilots don't think wind affects aircraft.

So no, that is exactly what you are indicating, that you think there are some pilots that don't accept the FACT that wind has a massive effect on aircraft.

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rvlvr

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People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.

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frenat

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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
And just a few replies earlier YOU said not all of them would agree that wind affects an aircraft. YOU are trying to change the subject. 

But I doubt anyone actually uses your supposed map either.

World's longest flight.

Since it costs 1.82˘ to produce a penny, putting in your 2˘ if really worth 3.64˘.

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People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.

I suppose they're still lost...
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People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
I think it is very generous to call it a map.  I mean the most straightforward definition is:

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a diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc.
Yet there is no land, sea or physical features on his diagram.
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I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.


Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?

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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?

Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
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rabinoz

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Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
Why would they bother?
They know that they took off from Sydney, Australia, on QANTAS Flight QF27 and arrivedo in Santiago, Chile, about 12 hours later.
They wouldn't even give a thought to anyone being silly enough to question a route that millions have flown before.
Nor would they give a thought that anyone could be silly enough to even suggest that QANTAS millions might murder millions to cover anything up.


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rvlvr

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The murders are a big thing. Surprising there is so little talk of them. Unless they kill the whole family and relatives and remove all trace of their existence every time. They are callous and cold. Like reptiles.

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Stash

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Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?

Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?

Here's a record from just yesterday:

No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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rvlvr

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Were they killed?

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Stash

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Were they killed?

Sadly, according to wise, all souls on this daily flight are lost, presumably pushed out of the cabin at altitude into the pacific as soon as the plane is sufficiently offshore.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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rvlvr

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Vile murderers!

Were they killed?

Sadly, according to wise, all souls on this daily flight are lost, presumably pushed out of the cabin at altitude into the pacific as soon as the plane is sufficiently offshore.
and death reports, no missing person reports, where are they?
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

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One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.
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Stash

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One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.

Not true. No one bought out Pan Am's debt. And Pan Am became 'America's' airline because of deregulation. They could extend into other corridors rather than just the Caribbean and Pacific.
I'm all for certain gov't regulations, but this has nothing to do with the fact that non-US controlled airlines, e.g., Qantas, LATAM, are shoving passengers out of their planes at altitude over the southern oceans so as to dupe the rest of the world that they have flights from S.America to Australia/Africa in an effort to preserve the fact that erroneously the world is much like a globe.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.
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Stash

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It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.

If you don't trust the airlines, why would you entrust them to make sure, in every conceivable measure, that your plane doesn't go down?

Do you not fly because of your stance? If you do, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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rabinoz

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I'm all for certain gov't regulations, but this has nothing to do with the fact that non-US controlled airlines, e.g., Qantas, LATAM, are shoving passengers out of their planes at altitude over the southern oceans so as to dupe the rest of the world that they have flights from S.America to Australia/Africa in an effort to preserve the fact that erroneously the world is much like a globe.
Well, so leading flat-Earth advocates like Wise and Shifter would have us believe.

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It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.

Selfish??

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According to the Wall Street Journal, the average “profit per passenger” of the seven largest U.S. airlines was $17.75 — for just a one-way flight — and the average profit margin across those seven airlines was 9% in 2017. This per-passenger profit is roughly double what airlines around the world make per passenger, according to the International Air Transport Association.

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One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.
How would you boycott airlines?
I made a 13 hour trip 2 hours long yesterday thanks to airlines.
Also, I refused to buy some cheaper flights because I dont trust or like other airlines.
Vote with your pocket.

You just have some shitty airlines, and more shitty airlines.

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Whats happened in pegasus, flight recorders are encrypted

1- Lightning struck just before Pegasus landed on the crashed plane due to adverse weather conditions. Airplanes equipped with lightning are not affected. However, both pilots focused their concentrations as to whether the lightning had an effect on the aircraft's instruments as required by the procedure.

2- Meanwhile, while the aircraft was using a captain, the second pilot focused on the task of communication and tracking the tools. The tower said the two previous planes passed the runway. However, he made this warning in Turkish instead of English according to aviation terminology. The captain replied, "I got it," but the Dutch pilot responsible for the communication did not understand the announcement and the coordination was broken in the cockpit because he had seconds to land.

3- Meanwhile, another plane took off with the same rear wind just before the crashed plane. This made pilots feel that everything was in its normal flow.

4- At that time, the back wind was blowing at a speed of 26.4 km per hour. As the Pegasus Airlines rear wind pass limit is 28 km per hour, pilots decided to land with the aircraft in tolerance.

5- The length of the track is 3 thousand meters. Contrary to popular belief, the plane landed not in the middle or end of the runway, but in the 705th meter of the runway, which is a normal distance.

6- The pilots started braking normally when the plane landed. Although the speed of the plane fell to 98 km / h, the sudden wind from the back suddenly increased to 51 km / h. This push increased speed. Since the pilots were sure that they would stop, they decided to return from the exit at the end of the track, not in the middle of the track, to give up hard braking and talk among themselves to avoid slipping on the wet ground. Meanwhile, since everything was normal in the cabin and the plane slowed down, the hostesses made the announcement, "You can use your phones".

7- When the pilots came towards the turn at the end of the track, which was not used frequently, they braked again to slow down. However, probably the plane started to slide when it landed on the tracks of hundreds of previous landings and take-offs on the runway, and the speed never decreased.

8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.

9- Even though the pilots switched to hard brakes, the plane slid the last 700 meters of the runway for 17 seconds and did not slow down. If this time and distance were normal ground, it would be enough to stop even a faster plane.

10- In such cases called “stop way” at the end of the runway, the plane rolled down due to the steep slope instead of the soft soil ground field that would stop the plane without damage.

11- The retaining wall built to prevent the vertical floor from slipping caused the plane to fall apart and the damage increased. However, officials are also united in the view that this situation causes the engines of the plane to break off and leave the fuselage so that there was no fire occured in the plane.

My conclusion: In this accident, it is seen that many negative factors that cannot cause an accident alone occur magically.
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Whats happened in pegasus, flight recorders are encrypted

1- Lightning struck just before Pegasus landed on the crashed plane due to adverse weather conditions. Airplanes equipped with lightning are not affected. However, both pilots focused their concentrations as to whether the lightning had an effect on the aircraft's instruments as required by the procedure.

2- Meanwhile, while the aircraft was using a captain, the second pilot focused on the task of communication and tracking the tools. The tower said the two previous planes passed the runway. However, he made this warning in Turkish instead of English according to aviation terminology. The captain replied, "I got it," but the Dutch pilot responsible for the communication did not understand the announcement and the coordination was broken in the cockpit because he had seconds to land.

3- Meanwhile, another plane took off with the same rear wind just before the crashed plane. This made pilots feel that everything was in its normal flow.

4- At that time, the back wind was blowing at a speed of 26.4 km per hour. As the Pegasus Airlines rear wind pass limit is 28 km per hour, pilots decided to land with the aircraft in tolerance.

5- The length of the track is 3 thousand meters. Contrary to popular belief, the plane landed not in the middle or end of the runway, but in the 705th meter of the runway, which is a normal distance.

6- The pilots started braking normally when the plane landed. Although the speed of the plane fell to 98 km / h, the sudden wind from the back suddenly increased to 51 km / h. This push increased speed. Since the pilots were sure that they would stop, they decided to return from the exit at the end of the track, not in the middle of the track, to give up hard braking and talk among themselves to avoid slipping on the wet ground. Meanwhile, since everything was normal in the cabin and the plane slowed down, the hostesses made the announcement, "You can use your phones".

7- When the pilots came towards the turn at the end of the track, which was not used frequently, they braked again to slow down. However, probably the plane started to slide when it landed on the tracks of hundreds of previous landings and take-offs on the runway, and the speed never decreased.

8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.

9- Even though the pilots switched to hard brakes, the plane slid the last 700 meters of the runway for 17 seconds and did not slow down. If this time and distance were normal ground, it would be enough to stop even a faster plane.

10- In such cases called “stop way” at the end of the runway, the plane rolled down due to the steep slope instead of the soft soil ground field that would stop the plane without damage.

11- The retaining wall built to prevent the vertical floor from slipping caused the plane to fall apart and the damage increased. However, officials are also united in the view that this situation causes the engines of the plane to break off and leave the fuselage so that there was no fire occured in the plane.

My conclusion: In this accident, it is seen that many negative factors that cannot cause an accident alone occur magically.

So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.