For the discussion of the improvement of the forums

Hrm. These conversations around who really believes are useless and detract from the task at hand. Behave yourselves, or you will be removed from believers and thus this conversation. I had hoped we got rid of those that wish to divide our cause further with the whole tfes shit.

Now, that said:



How about we create a second board this weekend called Believers Debate or some such that has what you say as its rules; post moderation namely.

If it turns out that it improves the level of debate, we merge the two and keep the moderation. If not, we merge and don't.

How about we create a second board this weekend called Believers Debate or some such that has what you say as its rules; post moderation namely.

We need to apply the post approval feature to the messages posted by jb and r. This much is clear.

No, I am not an RE adherent. You, on the other hand, are a noted troll and shitposter.

That's no way to talk to a fellow FEB.

What else other than shitposting have both jb and r been accomplishing here for the past four years? With no one to tell them so.

Three of the admin are RE: the other two are Jack and Lord Wilmore.

How about we create a second board this weekend called Believers Debate or some such that has what you say as its rules; post moderation namely.

We need to apply the post approval feature to the messages posted by jb and r. This much is clear.

No, I am not an RE adherent. You, on the other hand, are a noted troll and shitposter.

That's no way to talk to a fellow FEB.

What else other than shitposting have both jb and r been accomplishing here for the past four years? With no one to tell them so.

Three of the admin are RE: the other two are Jack and Lord Wilmore.

Excuse me?

Lord Wilmore is RE:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1079;area=showposts;start=10200

And so is Jack:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12242;area=showposts;start=3810

Now, if you think that the proposed post approval feature is too much, there isn't much else that we the FE can do for the forum. There is no way that I am going to waste my time anymore, trying to debate the RE while they are being allowed to bend the rules (fisking/trolling) in order to create confusion through contentless posting.

I don't think post approval is too much; hence why I laid out a reasonable plan to test it out.

I thought you were calling me a round earther. Apologies for my response that I deleted to wait on clarification.

I'm not really clear on what I'm looking for here with Wilmore's posts. Either way:

These conversations around who really believes are useless and detract from the task at hand.

We can't just have rab and jackblack the only ones who have to have posts approved in a forum. Might as well just block them from that forum altogether.

Which leads me to my point; let's give their idea a try. It's almost no effort on our part if I'm reading the docs correctly. To ensure fairness to jb rab and other globs we can simply also play a small part as we read threads in approving those we should.

We can't just have rab and jackblack the only ones who have to have posts approved in a forum.

We sure can. They should have been banned from the very first instances of shitposting, now five years later, we no longer have functioning upper forums sections because of these two.

Might as well just block them from that forum altogether.

They need to be educated, they must learn to give up the fisking and the constant trolling.

If you disagree, then fine, let us follow the same path we have been following for the past five years here.

[redacted]

I think we should prioritize issues including keeping our forum software up to date and stopping spam attacks. And I don't believe the links provided to post histories indicate either of the accused are RE, so I fail to see the relevance.

You are right about that, and I'm sorry for inaction there.

I'll prepare some aws credentials for you guys to ssh into the new server so we can start setting this up. Obviously, I can't handle the task alone with my current life load.

The task being keeping it up to date.

This is from today:

Quote from: John Davis on February 28, 2020, 10:27:09 PM

Nobody is banging on about alchemy and the occult but you.

So you didn't even to bother reading who I was writing about.
It is Sandokhan who brings up "occult chemistry" in his debates! How are we supposed to answer that sort of thing?

Quote from: sandokhan on October 18, 2012, 12:05:51 AM

markjo, read this thread again: the RE want an A-10 gravimeter.
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The fact that most of their descriptions of MPAs were published several years before physicists even suspected that atoms had nuclei excludes the possibility of their fraudulent use of scientific knowledge about the composition of nuclei in terms of protons, neutrons and mass numbers because no such information existed then, Chadwick discovering the neutron in  1932, twenty-four years after the first edition of Occult Chemistry appeared.  No normal or alternative paranormal explanation of the correlation between modern physics and their ostensible 100-year old observations of subatomic particles appears to exist other than that  Besant and Leadbeater genuinely described aspects of the microscopic world by means of ESP, albeit one disturbed by the act of paranormal observation.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_4_phillips.pdf

So all this information from occult chemistry and physics cones fro "ESP, albeit one disturbed by the act of paranormal observation" - to each his own!

Quote from: sandokhan on December 08, 2012, 01:53:29 AM

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So, if we could describe a microscopic standing wave pattern that appeared particle-like and incorporated a vortex within its structure, we might have the basis for a theory that could unite all the current variants in modern physics. Figure 1 appears to meet these criteria – it is a drawing of a subatomic particle reproduced from Occult Chemistry by Charles Leadbeater and Annie Besant, which was first published in 1909, although a similar diagram was published in a journal in 1895. Leadbeater explains that each subatomic particle is composed of ten loops which circulate energy from higher dimensions. Back in 1895, he knew that physical matter was composed from "strings" – 10 years before Einstein's theory of relativity and 80 years before string theory.


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Figure 7 depicts the subatomic structure of a hydrogen atom (in the 1:3 gaseous phase) and its decomposition through four etheric phases:

•The 1:4-molecules are baryons.
•The large 1:5-molecules are unstable mesons.
•The small 1:5-molecules and the 1:6-phase molecules are quarks.
•The 1:7-atoms (or 1-atoms) are preons.
Leadbeater did not state what the membranes surrounding the molecular structures are composed of, but they are probably 2-atoms or 3-atoms.



Figures 1, 2, 3, 5 and 7 are extracted from Occult Chemistry by Charles Leadbeater and Annie Besant. The book depicts the subatomic structure of every element in the periodic table from Hydrogen to Uranium, including various isotopes (atoms with the same atomic number but different mass numbers). Leadbeater knew that isotopes existed in 1907 – five years before conventional science discovered them.
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I'll just give a link to these recent ones:
Flat Earth General / Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003 « Message by sandokhan on September 07, 2019, 05:04:17 AM »

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence « Message by sandokhan on December 04, 2019, 11:29:35 PM »

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence « Message by sandokhan on December 04, 2019, 11:31:17 PM »

And Sandokhan is the one accusing others of posting pseudoscientific rubbish - not his words, I won't stoop that low.

This is what has to stop.

This is what has been going on for the past five years.

Why does r post with such impunity? Because they feel protected, and not just tolerated. Imagine the admin and mods offering their concern for these two, while we the FE are of course expendable:

We can't just have rab and jackblack the only ones who have to have posts approved in a forum. Might as well just block them from that forum altogether.

The groundbreaking conversations and debates are a thing of the past. Whoever put these two, r and jb, up to the task of destroying this forum, they must feel very good about it. It never occurred to them, however, that they would be able to accomplish this using the tacit cooperation of those who were supposed to sanction such devious behavior from the very start.

What timing!

No.

I'm am fed up with this shit.

We are not a home for folks to come and shit on us with no recourse. We are here for those that need us. We are the home for the wayward.

And you lot the tfes with your black face. Make no mistake, when you walk the steps to heaven we will be tearing you down each step. On earth, I hope for your sake it is just that and not what you deserve. I will do what I can to make sure it will be what you lot deserve. Its not my nature, but I suppose we can make swords from plowshares.

We can't fix the admins being rounder. but we can fix the moderators, jb and r.

Instead of a separate forum for believers to discuss, we should open a separate space for angry globalists such as jb and r to write. this allows us to control them more tightly elsewhere. they can also express themselves when they make a mistake.

This is the most reasonable and acceptable thing to do if a solution is really wanted here. you are making suggestions for other solutions either to troll each other or to message others; Frankly, none of the above suggestions are realistic, and those who seem realistic are not sincere.

Oh yeah, that will fix it.

I am not against the debate forum. it is an opinion that I support, but jb and r should be included in this work in a controlled way. For example, their posts in this particular section may require approval from believers.

If this system were implemented and a simple sanity check was made a vast majority of those type of posts won't even get through. Rab's post was made in a thread about timezones. Off topic on the face of it, before anything else.

All of these posts are unfailingly in error of being non contributive to the topic, low content, or insulting. If the mods can stick to a simple sanity check like that it all goes away.  Those who don't have much substance to really demonstrate anything will resort to trolling, whining, insults, and off topic banter. Cut that out and we might see some good conversations. Even the RE reading this objectively know that this will be good for the debates.

We can solve this issue in the simplest way by making wise a moderator, the most determined believer in us. so he will intervene fairly on the rab when needed and will firmly prevent unfair discussion and trolling.

I think anyone who wants a sincere solution will support this reasonable solution. or alternatively, the posts of rab and jb can be published after approved by after wise, the most determined believer. so much so that rab himself will be pleased with this because he will no longer be able to troll and misslead the issues and post higher quality stuff.

wise being the most keen and hardcore flat earther of any flat earth forum in existence should be made a mod or given something that allows his voice to be heard and carry weight.

I'm personally not a fan of censorship. But am less a fan of trolling. I dont know if the forum software permits but I wonder if you could have certain members time between posts extended. For example, everyone seems to have 30 seconds. What if people known to hound other members and troll them had there's extended to 20-30 minutes? In this way it would not prevent them from posting, but would end the trolling and low content rubbish and make them take care with each post as they only get a precious few per night.

I just like to see flat earthers here content. The Believers board can be used for exactly the purpose as intended as boydster said - but I think the angst is also that flat earthers like to converse with the globies and like the debate but they just want to have a debate where there is courtesy and respect. Sadly the 'r & jb' only come here as uncompromising angry trolls. rab, when not talking about the shape of the Earth can sometimes be okay but jb seems stuck as a perma-angry bigoted troll in need of actual help.

It is a great suggestion. The sending speed of trollinoz can be set limit to 30 minutes and it solves many problems as an alternative of me being a mod.

If this system were implemented and a simple sanity check was made a vast majority of those type of posts won't even get through. Rab's post was made in a thread about timezones. Off topic on the face of it, before anything else.

All of these posts are unfailingly in error of being non contributive to the topic, low content, or insulting. If the mods can stick to a simple sanity check like that it all goes away.  Those who don't have much substance to really demonstrate anything will resort to trolling, whining, insults, and off topic banter. Cut that out and we might see some good conversations. Even the RE reading this objectively know that this will be good for the debates.

Unfortunately, it is a waste of time on our part to expect anything to be accomplished here. If one of the admin can insult a fellow FE while the same admin is expressing concern for the RE, we can be sure that there is nothing else that we can do here.

Gentlemen. The behavior of admins about re and fe is not new. I thought we have overcome them. If each of us has been here for years and we are just discovering something new then we have to look for the problem in ourselves. Whether admins appear to be believers but not defend fellow feers, and defend angry globalists while they say they are against them is nothing new. and every time we remind it, we have repeatedly experienced how they are telling us how sincere they actually are by treating us as stupid, retarded or childlike. Despite all these attitudes that they are controlled by opposition and mockering us, we are all still here in a way or other.

In this context, we must solve problems by talking, not by escaping likewise John did. We are all adult people  and should all gather around a table like adult people and discuss these issues.

I know that no matter what the admins talk about, then a different authority will decided by what they will do. In this context, it can be discussed whether admins should be around this table. but whoever is behind this work should gather and discuss with us around a table. otherwise, we will not see anything other than John and John escaping from the table, because we ask him for things he cannot do, because these things are not confirmed by the power behind the scenes.

I invite everyone to be sincere about this. Let's be sincere, not be hypocritical and solve this problem.

trollinoz and jackinoz need to understand that; they may have established this place for that purpose, but we do not allow them to make fun of us here. you cannot turn it into such an environment. because we are both cleverer and more equipped than you and our theories are more realistic. be sincere, honest and stop using our own environment against us. otherwise, your trolling and fisting work here can not go beyond trolling people come from outside and know nothing, and there will never be a real discussion environment here.

All we believers have take our own stand seperetaly and now your this irrational and irreconcilable attitude has got everyone bored.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 29, 2020, 04:16:07 PM

If this system were implemented and a simple sanity check was made a vast majority of those type of posts won't even get through. Rab's post was made in a thread about timezones. Off topic on the face of it, before anything else.

All of these posts are unfailingly in error of being non contributive to the topic, low content, or insulting. If the mods can stick to a simple sanity check like that it all goes away.  Those who don't have much substance to really demonstrate anything will resort to trolling, whining, insults, and off topic banter. Cut that out and we might see some good conversations. Even the RE reading this objectively know that this will be good for the debates.

Unfortunately, it is a waste of time on our part to expect anything to be accomplished here. If one of the admin can insult a fellow FE while the same admin is expressing concern for the RE, we can be sure that there is nothing else that we can do here.

I concur.

Whatever is formulated, I will just stick with reading for now.

The mods and admins can continue with their insults as they see fit.

My wise thoughts are pushed aside and a demolition team is conducting the process. I still believe that we can win it in every situation and condition, even though sandokhan and his followers are hopeless.

Or the admins prevented my posts from being seen by everyone. I wonder if there can be "on off" button somewhere? scg please can you switch my articles visible? there is a rebellion situation that needs to be suppressed.

ahahaha. I am watching these discussions in an enjoyable way as you are all part of the same simulation. I'm not worried at all. I'm here and I am worth of all of you, whether or not you existed. I didn't come here to have a free discussion environment. I came here for free publication of my publications. In any case, I am already getting what I get. sad of course, do you think I will follow you somehow? wohoo.

Do not worry. Alternative research and development projects that will take in to place are already ready.

Okay. Time is to be serious.


Look at center of the image and it will make you a flat earther after two minutes. 

Here is the latest from your protege, John:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84934.msg2238888#msg2238888

Question: how long are you going to put up with this kind of drivel? Why are you constantly avoiding to reach a decision which is unavoidable (if you still want to have a functional forum here), and that is to stop both jb and r from posting nonsense and contentless messages? Take a look at each sentence: we are wasting our time with someone who is here only to deny and to troll his opponents. The admin and the mods you put in place don't care about what is going on. As I said, we are not going to engage in meaningless debates since the rules are not being applied.

Here is the latest from your protege, John:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84934.msg2238888#msg2238888

Question: how long are you going to put up with this kind of drivel? Why are you constantly avoiding to reach a decision which is unavoidable (if you still want to have a functional forum here), and that is to stop both jb and r from posting nonsense and contentless messages? Take a look at each sentence: we are wasting our time with someone who is here only to deny and to troll his opponents. The admin and the mods you put in place don't care about what is going on. As I said, we are not going to engage in meaningless debates since the rules are not being applied.

It is quite amazing that a response to a very specific and legitimate question as to why a working CGI representation of actual science claimed by RE/heliocentrists would include the words:

"And you won't find and Galactic Simulators that go into the detail of planetary motion in the one simulator for a few reasons:
It would provide no extra useful information."

This is simply TROLLING!!!

But, according to the fine mods here...

You, on the other hand, are a noted troll and shitposter.

The galactic model also cannot explain the velocities of the stars and galaxies:

http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/NewtonEinstein&Veli.pdf (pgs 239-257)

“It seems that the galaxies could not have formed and could not maintain their
existence with a force [or material] that we know nothing – absolutely nothing –
about. This [whatever it is] . . . cannot be observed; we only know that something
must be holding the galaxies together because [gravitational] physics predicts that
the stars of the galaxies [moving at their speeds] should fly apart [without it] . . .
mathematics tells the astronomers that it must exist. The scientists give this
unknown force the name: dark matter.”

“Dark matter is the craziest idea we’ve ever had in
astronomy: it appears when you need it, it can do
what you like, be distributed anyway you like. It is a
fairytale of astronomy.”

“The distance between a planet and the Sun also determines the planet’s orbital
velocity. “In the solar system, the planets all orbit the Sun with velocities that get
smaller and smaller as they get farther from the Sun, the system’s center of mass,”
explained Vera Rubin of the Carnegie Institution of Washington. “So the inner
planets go fast and the outer planets go slow. That’s just a direct response to
Newton’s law.”
“But to everyone’s surprise, observers discovered that galaxies weren’t acting
like [a] gigantic solar system at all.
“In spiral galaxy after spiral galaxy, the Carnegie group saw that stellar material
on the outer edges of a disk travels around at speeds much faster than theory had
estimated. It was the Coma cluster problem all over again.”

Therefore, the stars in spiral galaxies do not follow Kepler’s law of distance cubed
equal period squared. In order to do so, the stars farther from the central mass of spiral galaxies must revolve slower than stars closer to the central mass, and they simply do not do this; they travel at the same velocity. James Trefil states, “In fact, no galactic rotation curve has ever been observed to turn over and become Keplarian. All of them remain flat out to distances of 200,000 or 300,000 light years.”

Whenever science fiction run into a wall (like star trek) they can just say it's because of 'sub space'. It's a convenient catch all for any problem you can't explain.

'dark matter' is another one of those. Except we have to live in this fiction as if it's reality. Science is all over the place. It's wildly inconsistent and people are just expected to shut up and parrot whatever BS they say.

From Lord Wilmore:
"Sorry but I think this didn't go far enough.

I would like to propose a full 100-day bammy wham."

I think this would be an immediate improvement to the forum, given his replies in this thread.