Any land surveyors here?

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ISMeister

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Any land surveyors here?
« on: January 28, 2018, 07:12:02 PM »
I am always interested in knowing if there are any land surveyors in this forum. The profession is to common for any conspiracy theory, while their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round. Any surveyors here to share some thoughts?

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 08:27:16 PM »
I am always interested in knowing if there are any land surveyors in this forum. The profession is to common for any conspiracy theory, while their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round. Any surveyors here to share some thoughts?

I'm not a professional land surveyor and don't pretend to be, but I've surveyed my share of fence lines and laid out a few soccer fields (75 X 120 yards or less) using transit and tape. But I've stayed in a Holiday Inn Express (if you don't get that reference, never mind... it's silly).

Small tracts of land (a few city blocks or some more) can be treated as planes. The process used is called plane surveying, and the difference between, say, a square mile on the surface of a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles and a square mile on a plane is insignificant for most practical purposes, and treating it as a plane makes the math much simpler.

When surveying over longer distances the curvature of the earth becomes a factor. When you're doing this, you're in the realm of geodetic surveys. The measurement effort and analysis needed for proper geodetic surveying is much greater than for plane surveying, but is sometimes necessary.

Where the transition between plane and geodetic surveying is needed depends on the precision required.

What I've personally done is obviously very (very!) basic plane surveying.

[Edit] Typo, clarification.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 08:30:08 PM by Alpha2Omega »
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rabinoz

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 08:39:30 PM »
I am always interested in knowing if there are any land surveyors in this forum. The profession is to common for any conspiracy theory, while their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round. Any surveyors here to share some thoughts?
Please justify your totally unsupported claim, "their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round".

Early surveyors, before GPS and other electronic aids used:
  • Link chains for distance measurements.
  • Transit levels.
  • Theodolites.
In addition geodetic surveyors would any extra equipment needed for precise celestial fixes.

Which of these "relies on assumption that the world is round"?

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ISMeister

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 09:29:31 PM »
Small tracts of land (a few city blocks or some more) can be treated as planes. The process used is called plane surveying, and the difference between, say, a square mile on the surface of a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles and a square mile on a plane is insignificant for most practical purposes, and treating it as a plane makes the math much simpler...


Do current maps mark coordinates based on lat/long? Since the government looks at plots of lands to determine if, for say,  your soccer pitch crosses outside your plot of land. So yes, I was kinda thinking about geodetics when I was asking the question.

Now I get curious, can I use the flat earth model in court to change the boundaries of my house?



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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 09:40:23 PM »
Small tracts of land (a few city blocks or some more) can be treated as planes. The process used is called plane surveying, and the difference between, say, a square mile on the surface of a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles and a square mile on a plane is insignificant for most practical purposes, and treating it as a plane makes the math much simpler...


Do current maps mark coordinates based on lat/long? Since the government looks at plots of lands to determine if, for say,  your soccer pitch crosses outside your plot of land. So yes, I was kinda thinking about geodetics when I was asking the question.

Now I get curious, can I use the flat earth model in court to change the boundaries of my house?

Nullius in Verba

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ISMeister

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 09:56:02 PM »
I am always interested in knowing if there are any land surveyors in this forum. The profession is to common for any conspiracy theory, while their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round. Any surveyors here to share some thoughts?
Please justify your totally unsupported claim, "their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round".

Early surveyors, before GPS and other electronic aids used:
  • Link chains for distance measurements.
  • Transit levels.
  • Theodolites.

Which of these "relies on assumption that the world is round"?

I guess I was being blunt and overly generalize the field. Anyway I was thinking more about geodetics and measuring long distances at different altitudes , when trying to map 3d world on 2d maps.

I am at work so the best link I found is follows:
http://what-when-how.com/gps/datums-coordinate-systems-and-map-projections-gps-part-2/

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In addition geodetic surveyors would any extra equipment needed for precise celestial fixes.
Current technology I have heard of are using GPS receivers to mark reference points then laser"total-stations"(I dont know what they are called, so I just went for the model name) for point to point 3d displacement measurements. I would appreciate a link on using celestial fixes to mark plots of land or government datum points.

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rabinoz

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 12:59:45 AM »
I am always interested in knowing if there are any land surveyors in this forum. The profession is to common for any conspiracy theory, while their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round. Any surveyors here to share some thoughts?
Please justify your totally unsupported claim, "their tools of trade relies on assumption that the world is round".

Early surveyors, before GPS and other electronic aids used:
  • Link chains for distance measurements.
  • Transit levels.
  • Theodolites.

Which of these "relies on assumption that the world is round"?

I guess I was being blunt and overly generalize the field. Anyway I was thinking more about geodetics and measuring long distances at different altitudes , when trying to map 3d world on 2d maps.
Geodetic surveying goes back to at least 1000 AD.
Al-Biruni, born in around 973 in the central Asian region of Chorasmia is ragarded as "the father of goedesy", see Al Biruni: One of the Greatest Pioneers of Science.

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I am at work so the best link I found is follows:
http://what-when-how.com/gps/datums-coordinate-systems-and-map-projections-gps-part-2/

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In addition geodetic surveyors would any extra equipment needed for precise celestial fixes.
Current technology I have heard of are using GPS receivers to mark reference points then laser"total-stations"(I dont know what they are called, so I just went for the model name) for point to point 3d displacement measurements. I would appreciate a link on using celestial fixes to mark plots of land or government datum points.
Yes, with enhanced GPS, modern geodetic surveyors can locate places to within a few cm.
There is a geodetic surveyor who has this YouTube channel Jesse Kozlowski.
He posts many videos, some simply about surveying, but many with evidence against the flat earth idea.
And this is the first of a series (not by Jesse Koslowski) on the old way of doing geodetic surveying:

Geodetic Surveying & Bilby Tower Building, chaltandr

One problem with Jesse Kozlowski's videos is they long. That is because they are very thorough, but not many are very suitable for posting here.

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rabinoz

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 01:49:17 AM »
Small tracts of land (a few city blocks or some more) can be treated as planes. The process used is called plane surveying, and the difference between, say, a square mile on the surface of a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles and a square mile on a plane is insignificant for most practical purposes, and treating it as a plane makes the math much simpler...

Geodetic surveyors place geodetic marks or permanent survey marks at suitable locations and plane surveyors work from these.

This is how flat earthers are able to say that big engineering projects don't take curvature into account.
By the time the engineers start work the project is broken into "flat" segments.

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Do current maps mark coordinates based on lat/long? Since the government looks at plots of lands to determine if, for say,  your soccer pitch crosses outside your plot of land. So yes, I was kinda thinking about geodetics when I was asking the question.
;D I don't think I'd worry! ;D

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Now I get curious, can I use the flat earth model in court to change the boundaries of my house?
Who knows with with the flat earth map?
According to The Flat Earth Society there is no definitive flat earth map, so the answer to that would seem to be, no!

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 02:09:05 AM »
Rabinoz... panic  8)
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Macarios

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 03:13:27 AM »
Now I get curious, can I use the flat earth model in court to change the boundaries of my house?

You can't use Flat Earth map in court, because of insufficient evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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rabinoz

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 04:40:49 AM »
Rabinoz... panic  8)
Why should I panic? There is no accurate flat earth map for the simple reason that an accurate flat earth is impossible.

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2018, 05:32:54 AM »
Has there been a court case in which an FE'er faced a globetard? I wonder how that would end, at which stage someone would blow the whistle.

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Danang

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 07:18:50 AM »
Has there been a court case in which an FE'er faced a globetard? I wonder how that would end, at which stage someone would blow the whistle.

Should I be the judge?
This forum itself can be a kinda court. The problem is: anyone can say anything as they wish.
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Danang

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 07:29:26 AM »
Rabinoz... panic  8)
Why should I panic? There is no accurate flat earth map for the simple reason that an accurate flat earth is impossible.

From Sydney going north, you'll NEVER find Papua New Guenea. Thumbs up! ~
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rvlvr

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 08:02:43 AM »
Has there been a court case in which an FE'er faced a globetard? I wonder how that would end, at which stage someone would blow the whistle.

Should I be the judge?
This forum itself can be a kinda court. The problem is: anyone can say anything as they wish.
Nope, I do not need you to act as a judge.

It was an honest question as I think there have been cases of somewhat similar sort, like the Scopes Trial, for example.

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 09:08:37 AM »
Has there been a court case in which an FE'er faced a globetard? I wonder how that would end, at which stage someone would blow the whistle.

It happens all the time during land disputes.
When they're is a question about property lines from old planer  surveys geodetic surveys are done to settle the dispute.
Round wins every time.   :)

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Macarios

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 10:45:04 AM »
Rabinoz... panic  8)
Why should I panic? There is no accurate flat earth map for the simple reason that an accurate flat earth is impossible.

From Sydney going north, you'll NEVER find Papua New Guenea. Thumbs up! ~

Only if you use only magnetic compass, and don't know about magnetic declination, thinking that all magnetic lines go straight north-south.
(Even on your "phew" map, Papua is north of Sydney.)

Earth's magnetic field is far from uniform, but it is measured and published regularly.


I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Danang

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Re: Any land surveyors here?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 11:10:11 AM »
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