Star movement

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Star movement
« on: January 27, 2018, 06:19:19 AM »
Hey. I've heard it said that stars rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and anti clockwise in the southern hemisphere. How does this work? I've tried to look up explanations as to why this would be the case, but all the answers just confuse me!

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2018, 06:25:20 AM »
Hey. I've heard it said that stars rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and anti clockwise in the southern hemisphere. How does this work? I've tried to look up explanations as to why this would be the case, but all the answers just confuse me!

Interestingly enough, a rotating spherical planet surrounded by countless distant stars explain the visual phenomenon perfectly.
Nullius in Verba

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2018, 09:56:53 AM »
Hey. I've heard it said that stars rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and anti clockwise in the southern hemisphere. How does this work? I've tried to look up explanations as to why this would be the case, but all the answers just confuse me!

You have the directions reversed. Circumpolar stars appear to rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere, but the idea behind that statement is correct.

That's a pretty good question, and it can be confusing. Let me try:

Say you have a bicycle wheel mounted on a horizontal axle spinning in some direction. If you look at it from one side, it appears to be spinning clockwise, but if you look at it from the other, even though it's physically spinning the same direction as before, it appears to be spinning counterclockwise. Why? You've turned around, and are looking at opposite sides of the same spinning object. From one side, a point near the top of the wheel is moving from your left to your right (clockwise), but by turning around to look at the other side, a point near the top would be moving from your right to your left (counterclockwise).

That's the basic principle, but it may not be obvious how it applies to your question. If it's still not clear, consider, now, two discs or wheels mounted on a common axle, both spinning in the same direction. If you stand somewhere beyond the end of the axle and look at both at the same time, you will see both are spinning in the same direction, clockwise or counterclockwise. If you stand between them and look at one, it appears to be spinning clockwise from your vantage point. If you turn around and look at the other, it will appear to be spinning counterclockwise, for the same reason as above - because you've turned around.

Now, instead of midway between two rotating discs, consider that you're standing near the center of a large rotating sphere. If you look at one pole (where the axis of rotation intersects the sphere), it will be rotating clockwise from your vantage point. If you turn around and look at the other pole, it will be rotating counterclockwise from that same vantage point, but you've had to turn around. Consider a circle around each of the poles to be equivalent to the rims of the two wheels in the second example.

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 10:13:55 AM »
Hey. I've heard it said that stars rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and anti clockwise in the southern hemisphere. How does this work? I've tried to look up explanations as to why this would be the case, but all the answers just confuse me!
Turning the same direction, but looking the opposite direction.

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2018, 11:25:21 AM »
There's basketball (ball) spinning on tip of finger in the middle of a club shower room.
Side you are looking at is moving to the right.
Light coming through the window shines on one half of the ball.

Miniature camera somewhere on top half of the ball pointing up will record ceiling rotating counterclockwise around light bulb (Polaris).
Another miniature camera somewhere on the bottom half pointing down will record floor rotating clockwise around water drain (Sigma Octantis).
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When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Re: Star movement
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM »
This only applies to looking at the same stars located on perpendicular to earth at the equator, since  tracking the stars lin the same direction from either hemisphere should have the same track.

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 07:47:00 AM »
This only applies to looking at the same stars located on perpendicular to earth at the equator

What does?

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since tracking the stars lin the same direction from either hemisphere should have the same track.

Can you clarify that? I'm not sure what you mean. If you're looking at the northernmost stars, you're not looking an the same direction as when looking at the southernmost stars; you're looking in the opposite direction.

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 05:23:39 PM »

Can you clarify that? I'm not sure what you mean. If you're looking at the northernmost stars, you're not looking an the same direction as when looking at the southernmost stars; you're looking in the opposite direction.
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I am just picturimg this in my head. But stars rotate in different directions when one person is facing the north pole while the other is facing the south pole. If both are facing the north pole wouldnt the stars rotate in the same direction.

So my impression is if two ppl look at the same star on differwnt hemispheres with their backs to the south pole, the stars would move the same direction since they have the same frame of ref.Therefore making the observation no different in RE/FE model



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Re: Star movement
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2018, 06:49:31 PM »

Can you clarify that? I'm not sure what you mean. If you're looking at the northernmost stars, you're not looking an the same direction as when looking at the southernmost stars; you're looking in the opposite direction.
I am just picturimg this in my head. But stars rotate in different directions when one person is facing the north pole while the other is facing the south pole. If both are facing the north pole wouldnt the stars rotate in the same direction.

Yes. That's right.

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So my impression is if two ppl look at the same star on differwnt hemispheres with their backs to the south pole, the stars would move the same direction since they have the same frame of ref.Therefore making the observation no different in RE/FE model

Yes, that's correct. And, if they turn around and look toward the south pole, they's still see stars moving from east to west, but the stars are moving from their left to their right, opposite from facing north, since east is now on their left (when facing south) instead of their right (when facing north).

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Thanks. Its an interesting place.

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
Phew FE Map hypothesis says:

The south centered FE rotates counter clockwise while the celestial bodies are generally "still".

I guess even though the true reality is not that simple, so far nothing is more logical than this scheme.
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Danang

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2018, 07:37:06 PM »
"Road trip: 1 day of driving

With the full itinerary planned out, we can estimate your total travel time for this trip.

Travel time: 2.5 hours on the road

Itinerary

Start in Modesto.

Drive for about 21 minutes, then stop in Manteca and stay for about 1 hour. Next, drive for another 23 minutes then stop in Tracy and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 23 minutes then stop in Altamont and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 14 minutes then stop in Livermore and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 14 minutes then stop in Pleasanton and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 20 minutes then stop at Mission San José and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 17 minutes then stop in Milpitas and stay for 1 hour.

Finally, drive for about 14 minutes and arrive in San Jose."


For mere 86 km it takes a marathon of "1 day of driving" ? Is it just for fun??

Let me check up my eyes to the doctor first... ~
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Re: Star movement
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2018, 07:49:26 PM »
"Road trip: 1 day of driving

With the full itinerary planned out, we can estimate your total travel time for this trip.

Travel time: 2.5 hours on the road

Itinerary

Start in Modesto.

Drive for about 21 minutes, then stop in Manteca and stay for about 1 hour. Next, drive for another 23 minutes then stop in Tracy and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 23 minutes then stop in Altamont and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 14 minutes then stop in Livermore and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 14 minutes then stop in Pleasanton and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 20 minutes then stop at Mission San José and stay for 1 hour. Drive for 17 minutes then stop in Milpitas and stay for 1 hour.

Finally, drive for about 14 minutes and arrive in San Jose."


For mere 86 km it takes a marathon of "1 day of driving" ? Is it just for fun??

Let me check up my eyes to the doctor first... ~
Wrong thread genius.  But for those that are curious, he was supposed to reply to this thread
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74019.0
and he is quoting this link
https://www.trippy.com/distance/Modesto-to-San-Jose-CA#airportflights
that HE originally provided but he neglected to read the part that says
"Let's say you're actually planning a road trip to San Jose, and you want to stop on the way to explore. If it's a real road trip, you might want to check out interesting places along the way, or maybe eat at a great restaurant. That's what Trippy is perfect for, helping you figure out travel plans in detail."

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 01:33:36 AM »
So sorry
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Danang

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Re: Star movement
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 02:20:08 AM »
Phew FE Map hypothesis says:

The south centered FE rotates counter clockwise while the celestial bodies are generally "still".

I guess even though the true reality is not that simple, so far nothing is more logical than this scheme.

SORRY, CORRECTION:


>> "The south centered FE rotates CLOCKWISE"
• South Pole Centered FE Map AKA Phew FE Map
• Downwards Universal Deceleration.

Phew's Silicon Valley: https://gwebanget.home.blog/