Each and every user should take a long look at this.

Two users are modifying the hypotheses of a well known and established experiment, the Sagnac, to suit their own purposes.

You are totally incorrect,

*Mr Sandokhan*, the results that I have been presenting are exactly in agreement with the accepted ideas on the Sagnac delay.

Read again!

**Sagnac Effect, E. J. POST, Rev. Mod. Phys. 39, 475 (1967) – Published 1 April 1967** we have

**Section III. General Aspects of the Theory, near end p. 478**

Summarizing, the experiments of Sagnac, Pogany and Michelson-Gale and the results of Harress, as re-interpreted by Harzer, demonstrate beyond doubt the following features of the Sagnac effect. The observed fringe shift

a) obeys formula (1);

b) does not depend on the shape of the surface *A*;

c) **does not depend on the location of the centre of rotation**;

d) does not depend on the presence of a comoving refracting medium in the path of the beam.

Please note that *E. J. POST* specifically states,

**"does not depend on the shape of the surface ***A*;"

**"***does not depend on the location of the centre of rotation*;"

Care to explain in your own words what

**"does not depend on the shape of the surface ***A*" and **"***does not depend on the location of the centre of rotation*" mean?

This is more than just trolling, or not debating in good faith: it is called scientific illiteracy.

Just who is trolling? Much of what I present is from papers, many that YOU sourced.

You are the one showing totally scientific illiteracy.

I am debating with 100% good faith,

**but you are denying what has been known and proven experimentally right from Sagnac himself on!**

rabinoz deserves a long ban for this: after the moderator stipulated clearly that she locked the thread, he opens a new thread and also comments here, using the same scientific illiterate arguments.

Please show just what "scientific illiterate arguments" I have presented.

And while you are at it read:

**The Scaling Theory VIII: The Sagnac's Interference and Michelson and Gale Experiment. **In that paper, in

*14.5. Rotation About an Arbitrary Point*, you will find the derivation for the Sagnac delay of an arbitrarily shaped polygon rotating about an arbitrary point and look at the result:

Yes, exactly what JackBlack, I and all the references say.

Do you want me to repeat all the quotes again that say over and over that all say:

In most textbooks result (5) is expressed by the fringe shift in units of the wavelength **λ**_{0}

**∆Z = 4 A · Ω/(c λ**_{0})

where, in general, the scalar product of the oriented area A enclosed by the light path with the vector angular velocity Ω enters. One can show that **the fringe shift is independent of the shape of A and of the position of the rotational axis**, but depends on the cosine of the angle between **A** and **Ω**.

Just face facts, all the references say,

**the fringe shift is independent of the shape of A and of the position of the rotational axis**.