I have a couple of questions...

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sydpwnt

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I have a couple of questions...
« on: December 27, 2006, 11:00:36 PM »
Hey guys, I have a couple of questions regarding the FE theory. Sorry if I make any grammatical mistakes, I'm not really bilingual.

1. I've read some answers to the question "why would the governments make us believe the earth is flat? How do they benefit?", but I haven't found a valuable answer. It sounds like you guys are convinced the FE theory is true, and you're just trying to find excuses about the government.

2. If there are no satellites, how do satellite cellphones, radio and television work?

3. According to the FE map, the distance (for example) between the south tip of south america and the south tip of africa is bigger than the "regular" distance? I've once flew from Stanley to Cape Town, and the distance was about 6,300 km ( 3,900 miles ), wich is the distance on the round earth.

4. How do you explain the following measurement of the earth, by Eratosthenes, at around 200 B.C.?

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Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon in the town of Syene on the Tropic of Cancer, the sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead. He also knew, from measurement, that in his hometown of Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the Sun would be 7.2° south of the zenith at the same time. Assuming that Alexandria was due north of Syene he concluded that the distance from Alexandria to Syene must be 7.2/360 of the total circumference of the Earth. The distance between the cities was known from caravan travellings to be about 5000 stadia: approximately 800 km. He established a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is no longer known (the common Attic stadion was about 185 m), but it is generally believed that the circumference calculated by Eratosthenes corresponds to 39,690 km [citation needed]. The estimate is over 99% of the actual distance of 40,008 km.



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Re: I have a couple of questions...
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 11:39:26 PM »
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Hey guys, I have a couple of questions regarding the FE theory. Sorry if I make any grammatical mistakes, I'm not really bilingual.
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You seem to be better than most Round Earthers.


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1. I've read some answers to the question "why would the governments make us believe the earth is flat? How do they benefit?", but I haven't found a valuable answer. It sounds like you guys are convinced the FE theory is true, and you're just trying to find excuses about the government.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6308&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=categorical+conclusive+conspiracy+compendium&start=0

Theoretically, the conspiracy is an "excuse," but it's a necessary one.

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2. If there are no satellites, how do satellite cellphones, radio and television work?

Other highflying (but sub-atmosphere) vehicles, radio towers, etcetera.

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3. According to the FE map, the distance (for example) between the south tip of south america and the south tip of africa is bigger than the "regular" distance? I've once flew from Stanley to Cape Town, and the distance was about 6,300 km ( 3,900 miles ), wich is the distance on the round earth.

Well, that's one of the theory's flaws, but I believe the running theory on that is that the conspiracy is responsible for making it seem as if the distances are the same. It's not really solid, I know, but it's what we have for now.

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4. How do you explain the following measurement of the earth, by Eratosthenes, at around 200 B.C.?

He was using measurements that are paralleled by the flat Earth model. Thus, they were correct, just for incorrect reasons.

~D-Draw

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sydpwnt

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 12:05:48 AM »
The thing is, you're just giving me simple answers, but it doesn't work without proofs. You need to prove me how satellite cellphones, satellite radios and satellite televisions work, you can't just mention other possibilities.

And for the distance thing, how could they make the distance shorter? I've been in a plane during the flight, and it took about 8 hours to get there, wich means the distance was actually 6300 km, considering the fact that a plane goes to 800km/h.

You're trying to make me believe that all the governments would work together, hack computers and telescopes, fake all the photos, make plane flights faster or longer depending on the distance, pretend to go to space and make up bogus events only for benefits that aren't real, and all that is an EXCUSE? Spending billions of dollars only because they don't want us to know, because that would embarass them?

Same thing for the Eratosthenes theory, prove me with numbers and measures that he was wrong, I proved it, prove me your idea.

And how do you explain the fact that when you look at the sea and a boat is coming towards you, you see it appearing from the top to the bottom, slowly as it comes towards you?

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yop69g

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2006, 12:17:42 AM »
These guys apparently falied their physics/maths course at high... Or didn't do any of 'em. In fact, did they go to school at all ?

Any way, distances can't be changed. That's it. It's simple as this. They just can't. When you take a rule, the distance doesn't change depending on the size of the object you're measuring, which is what you're saying : distances are changing based on a formula that would decrease or increase them in order to fail the round-theory.
arth is spheric.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2006, 01:12:22 AM »
And you have to understand the FE-world:
FE'ers are allowed to just say 'Hum, maybe, hm, it could be like that...' to explain their theory.
When RE'ers say something it must be perfectly clear and proved without any doubt.
eel free to correct my language, thanks.

But if there aren't arguments there is ... THE CONSPIRACY! That's a practical little thing...

"In the grand scheme of things, those with the prettiest pictures will win." (Seriously)

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sydpwnt

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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2006, 08:11:59 AM »
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And you have to understand the FE-world:
FE'ers are allowed to just say 'Hum, maybe, hm, it could be like that...' to explain their theory.
When RE'ers say something it must be perfectly clear and proved without any doubt.


Wasn't I clear, and wasn't my proofs right, beyond any doubts? You guys can believe what you want, you can tell yourself "Hum, maybe, hm, it could be like that...". But if you do it, it doesn't prove the FE theory, it's just being blind to reality and facts. I'm not trying to convince you about the RE theory, I'm asking you to prove your point, I'm asking YOU to "say something that is perfectly clear and proved without any doubt".

You can believe what you want. I'm here to debate with facts, I want you to prove your theory. If you can't, if you keep saying "Hum, maybe, hm, it could be like that...", it's fine for you. But that means the FE theory can't be taken seriously. It can't be a scientific theory then.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2006, 08:27:16 AM »
Quote from: "sydpwnt"
The thing is, you're just giving me simple answers, but it doesn't work without proofs. You need to prove me how satellite cellphones, satellite radios and satellite televisions work, you can't just mention other possibilities.


If the earth is flat then the electromagnetic waves would not get obstructed by the earth's curve. These signals could come from stratellites or numerous other things that DD pointed out. If you had any idea about radio signals you'd understand this.

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And for the distance thing, how could they make the distance shorter? I've been in a plane during the flight, and it took about 8 hours to get there, wich means the distance was actually 6300 km, considering the fact that a plane goes to 800km/h.


Where are you basing your distances from for Flat Earth? There is no accurate maps available to you as we don't have the resources to make them.

However, thankyou for the information regarding distances. This will be used in attempts to make maps in the future.

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You're trying to make me believe that all the governments would work together, hack computers and telescopes, fake all the photos, make plane flights faster or longer depending on the distance, pretend to go to space and make up bogus events only for benefits that aren't real, and all that is an EXCUSE? Spending billions of dollars only because they don't want us to know, because that would embarass them?


I'm not trying to make you believe anything. The earth is flat and that's the truth of it. If you don't believe me, travel south and you'll come across an Ice Wall. I would think you would welcome the truth.

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Same thing for the Eratosthenes theory, prove me with numbers and measures that he was wrong, I proved it, prove me your idea.


Eratosthenes was basing his measurements on the belief that the sun's light was hitting the earth in paralell rays. As the sun is actually smaller than the earth this is not the case, Eratosthenes was actually measuring the angle of the sun's rays which helps to determine the position of the sun above the earth.

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And how do you explain the fact that when you look at the sea and a boat is coming towards you, you see it appearing from the top to the bottom, slowly as it comes towards you?


The same thing happens with trains in the distance, the first thing you lose sight of is the wheels, it's not because they "disapear" over the horizon but because of perspective. If was the horizon that caused this then the wheels would disapear at the horizon and not before it.