The size and distance of Mars.

What do flat earth adherents believe to be the precise distance to Mars and it's size?
What sort of tests could you come up with to determine the distance from Earth to Mars?

What do flat earth adherents believe to be the precise distance to Mars and it's size?
What sort of tests could you come up with to determine the distance from Earth to Mars?

Most flatties don't believe in planets, they will show you videos like this:



and conclude that planets are made up and all pictures are cgi. I mean it makes sense why they deny planets because they are spherical and the moons the revolve around them point strongly to gravity.

I would be shocked if any FE proponent came up with a distance to Mars
And a size for said planet.

This would involve actual math and numbers and such.
They can't do that because it might be disproved.

I would be shocked if any FE proponent came up with a distance to Mars
And a size for said planet.

This would involve actual math and numbers and such.
They can't do that because it might be disproved.

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

Highly unlikely, because Adam Stelzner alias ''the Fonz'' ,..doesn't know shit about filetype and compression that was used to send important thumbnails back from Mars !!!
If a teamleader fails so miserably...who can we trust for accurate info about anything related to mars ?

Quote from: ER22 on January 07, 2018, 04:58:50 PM

I would be shocked if any FE proponent came up with a distance to Mars
And a size for said planet.

This would involve actual math and numbers and such.
They can't do that because it might be disproved.

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

Highly unlikely, because Adam Stelzner alias ''the Fonz'' ,..doesn't know shit about filetype and compression that was used to send important thumbnails back from Mars !!!
If a teamleader fails so miserably...who can we trust for accurate info about anything related to mars ?

So is that an "I don't know and don't have the scientific curiosity to try to devise a way of finding out?"

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

A bit more than "remote control ... battery/solar panel driven toys".

It's much more like sending instructions of what to do and when to do it to and autonomous off-road vehicle.

But, dutchy, don't you let it bother you.
It's clearly something that you couldn't understand, so all your small mind can do is to ridicule it.

Quote from: dutchy on January 07, 2018, 05:59:15 PM

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

A bit more than "remote control ... battery/solar panel driven toys".

It's much more like sending instructions of what to do and when to do it to and autonomous off-road vehicle.

But, dutchy, don't you let it bother you.
It's clearly something that you couldn't understand, so all your small mind can do is to ridicule it.

Sorry rabinoz, i watched the whole post press conference of the latest mars missions. Adam Stelzner & co were so bad that it would have taken me half an hour preperation (lectured by a knowldgable person) to give a better impression to the general public that i understand more about mars than Adam Stelzner.
Which is of course untrue , but i have rarely heard such a load of crap combined with total ignorance in such a short timespan. Adam Stelzner and 'ignorance is blizz' are interchangeable when it comes to mars missions.
Can you imagine that i, not particulary known for my scientific understanding about mars missions , would have such a 'jar dropping' experience when experiencing such a profound 'scientific' slapstick ?
And you think it comes as a surprise that people claim NASA has a bunch of B actors to communicate to the general public ?
Can't they hire someone at Harvey W's casting agencies that leaves a more professional impression ?

And i have to say, if i were NASA i would surely consider a person like yourself for public relations and other stuff.
You've got the right spirit, knowledge, subtleties, broad scientific understanding, used to deal with exotic and outlandish claims, not afraid of some questions contrary to NASA astronauts that are barely able to deal with fully scripted interviews and an applauding bandwagon..... etc.

You are so vastly superiour to that clown Adam Stelzner, that it surprises me you weren't contacted in the past to do some online promotional stuff for the scientific community and space agencies.
I know you would do a mighty fine job.

Wait a minute .........what did i just say there....

Quote from: ER22 on January 07, 2018, 04:58:50 PM

I would be shocked if any FE proponent came up with a distance to Mars
And a size for said planet.

This would involve actual math and numbers and such.
They can't do that because it might be disproved.

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

Highly unlikely, because Adam Stelzner alias ''the Fonz'' ,..doesn't know shit about filetype and compression that was used to send important thumbnails back from Mars !!!
If a teamleader fails so miserably...who can we trust for accurate info about anything related to mars ?

hehehe

A single hobbyist alone can make autonomous small robot for those "robot fights", and the whole team
can't program autonomous system that can receive set of further instructions for required tasks ? ? ?

Newsflash: unlike RC drones, rovers have microprocessor units with programmed "behavior functions".

Quote from: rabinoz on January 07, 2018, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: dutchy on January 07, 2018, 05:59:15 PM

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

A bit more than "remote control ... battery/solar panel driven toys".

It's much more like sending instructions of what to do and when to do it to and autonomous off-road vehicle.

But, dutchy, don't you let it bother you.
It's clearly something that you couldn't understand, so all your small mind can do is to ridicule it.

Sorry rabinoz, i watched the whole post press conference of the latest mars missions. Adam Stelzner & co were so bad that it would have taken me half an hour preperation (lectured by a knowldgable person) to give a better impression to the general public that i understand more about mars than Adam Stelzner.
Which is of course untrue , but i have rarely heard such a load of crap combined with total ignorance in such a short timespan. Adam Stelzner and 'ignorance is blizz' are interchangeable when it comes to mars missions.
Can you imagine that i, not particulary known for my scientific understanding about mars missions , would have such a 'jar dropping' experience when experiencing such a profound 'scientific' slapstick ?
And you think it comes as a surprise that people claim NASA has a bunch of B actors to communicate to the general public ?
Can't they hire someone at Harvey W's casting agencies that leaves a more professional impression ?

And i have to say, if i were NASA i would surely consider a person like yourself for public relations and other stuff.
You've got the right spirit, knowledge, subtleties, broad scientific understanding, used to deal with exotic and outlandish claims, not afraid of some questions contrary to NASA astronauts that are barely able to deal with fully scripted interviews and an applauding bandwagon..... etc.

You are so vastly superiour to that clown Adam Stelzner, that it surprises me you weren't contacted in the past to do some online promotional stuff for the scientific community and space agencies.
I know you would do a mighty fine job.

Wait a minute .........what did i just say there....

As is usual from you a lot of words that amount to not very much. So you don’t like the NASA team, so you don’t like what they said. So what? Can you instead offer any hard facts other than repeating the same thing over and over again in your posts. We get it you dont like NASA.

Quote from: rabinoz on January 07, 2018, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: dutchy on January 07, 2018, 05:59:15 PM

Do you really want us to believe they can remote control some battery/solar panel driven toys varying from 55 758 006 km to 400 000 000 km in precise fashion in an extremely narrow time window ?

A bit more than "remote control ... battery/solar panel driven toys".

It's much more like sending instructions of what to do and when to do it to and autonomous off-road vehicle.

But, dutchy, don't you let it bother you.
It's clearly something that you couldn't understand, so all your small mind can do is to ridicule it.

You are so vastly superiour to that clown Adam Stelzner.

No, dutchy, I have no "vastly superior" knowledge or smartness, but I don't base my understanding on a highly biased psycho analysis of a spokesman making a statement for what I guess is the general public.

I get the bit of information I have from some of the more technical descriptions. Being an ex-electrical engineer helps.

Now, what about you starting to look at real issues instead of just your highly biased interpretations of public statements.

So much of your arguments are so weak that all can ever do is resort to attempted ridicule.

Now, what about you starting to look at real issues instead of just your highly biased interpretations of public statements.

So much of your arguments are so weak that all can ever do is resort to attempted ridicule.

I attempt to humor after i discovered that you aren't interested in science whatsover when it could possibly harm your fantasies. Time and time again you show your silly cartoons when the arguments of a forum member seem week to you.... then you jump all over them.
But as i have found out many times you refuse to give your scientific answer the moment i ask some real questions.
Then you start with redicule , mockery and contemp .... like 'hate-filled', 'mr know it all' , 'NASAphobe' and more......

It is fucking hilareous that i cannot find an answer anywhere to a few simple questions.
Give me a link when you aren to much of a coward to answer personally

Without  an atmosphere on the moon, can bright surface reflections still block out all starlight when an astronaut gazes upwards. So that in the direction he is aiming he sees the skies only !!!!! can bright surface reflections still scatter through a vacuum and block the starlight in his line of sight IN THE OPPOSITE direction of the lunar surface...... that is the black sky. ?

That is an honest question and after years of surfing the internet, nobody wants to answer that....... therefor you deserve nothing but contempt....because you won't even acknowledge that you don't know... 
But i stick to sone mild form of humoristic redicule, because i love my neighbour....

Care to answer the question or provide a liink that answers my questions ? Because i am to stupid to find it.

The subject is Mars.

Without  an atmosphere on the moon, can bright surface reflections still block out all starlight when an astronaut gazes upwards. So that in the direction he is aiming he sees the skies only !!!!! can bright surface reflections still scatter through a vacuum and block the starlight in his line of sight IN THE OPPOSITE direction of the lunar surface...... that is the black sky. ?

That is an honest question and after years of surfing the internet, nobody wants to answer that....... therefor you deserve nothing but contempt....because you won't even acknowledge that you don't know... 
But i stick to sone mild form of humoristic redicule, because i love my neighbour....

Care to answer the question or provide a link that answers my questions ? Because i am to stupid to find it.

Really. "therefor you deserve nothing but contempt....because you won't even acknowledge that you don't know... ".

I am totally sick of answering that very question.
Sure I may not answer the exact question you ask because what you ask is sometimes the wrong questions.
This was my most recent attempt!
Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe Apollo 11 was a hoax? « on: Today at 09:18:25 PM »

Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe Apollo 11 was a hoax? « Message by rabinoz on January 07, 2018, 08:47:47 AM »
I guess that you don't like my answers, so you ignore them, well tough!
Just like you ignore all evidence contrary to your pet theories! Well, Mr Dutchy I could care less what to think or say!

But, Mr Dutchy I am under no obligation to pander to your wishes or to answer your questions - go and ask the experts at NASA!

So, bug out!

Nothing from flat earth proponents?

Not knowing is one thing. But no ideas as to how you might find out if you had the means? Or is this a lack of scientific curiosity?

Nothing from flat earth proponents?

Not knowing is one thing. But no ideas as to how you might find out if you had the means? Or is this a lack of scientific curiosity?

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
All flateathers believe both the moon and mars aren't planets in a solar system as proposed.
We're not quite sure what the moon and mars really are, but we completely dismiss all official claims.
Strenghtened by the Apollo astronauts and Adam Stelzner ( mother and father of the mars rover) we have lots of conformation that we are dealing with liars, frauds, clowns and b- actors.

In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

I am not a betting person, but I would guess that if you offered dutchy any amount of money to visit an astronomical observatory he wouldn't take you up on it or if he did he wouldn't listen to any thing they told him.....They're part of the Great Conspitacy of course, you know....They would just tell you a bunch of lies.....Right, dutchy ?

I am not a betting person, but I would guess that if you offered dutchy any amount of money to visit an astronomical observatory he wouldn't take you up on it or if he did he wouldn't listen to any thing they told him.....They're part of the Great Conspitacy of course, you know....They would just tell you a bunch of lies.....Right, dutchy ?

Nope.......an observatory does observe things.......i disagree with some of their conclusions.
That's why the distance to the sun has varied between 5 and 200 million km over the years.
The math was provided by those who invented the model and what you observe can be interpreted many ways........

Current astronomy/cosmology is filled with comformation bias...the supposed detected gravity waves as absurd example that i really don't understand they could present as proof.
But they somehow managed to sell it to the scientific community...which is unbelievable.....

Your disparaging attempt to describe me says more about you than it says about me....think about it.

Quote from: EvolvedMantisShrimp on January 09, 2018, 05:53:55 AM

Nothing from flat earth proponents?

Not knowing is one thing. But no ideas as to how you might find out if you had the means? Or is this a lack of scientific curiosity?

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
All flateathers believe both the moon and mars aren't planets in a solar system as proposed.
We're not quite sure what the moon and mars really are, but we completely dismiss all official claims.
Strenghtened by the Apollo astronauts and Adam Stelzner ( mother and father of the mars rover) we have lots of conformation that we are dealing with liars, frauds, clowns and b- actors.

In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

You don't need to know...

That's the truth about the flat earth movement right there.

My best friend once told me that "Science is NOT the search for answers. Science is the search for new questions to ask. Answers are merely a byproduct."

But you want an end to the questions, don't you? That's your real motivation, isn't it? You want an end to the search. Even if it means believing a convenient lie.

You don't need to know...

That's the truth about the flat earth movement right there.

My best friend once told me that "Science is NOT the search for answers. Science is the search for new questions to ask. Answers are merely a byproduct."

But you want an end to the questions, don't you? That's your real motivation, isn't it? You want an end to the search. Even if it means believing a convenient lie.

to the contrary !!!
I demand a scientific research about the true nature of the 9/11 structural collapses.
I want at least an open platform where people can interrogate NASA and all their outlet spokesmen every year during a non scripted symposium.

Both is what i consider very reasonable demands, because the former is wanted by half of the population and the latter is common sense.
NASA has an obligation towards the general public why their money isn't spend on healthcare and infra structure.
It seems only a small portion of the general public can name one single benefit from space explorations......Gold foil  ?
Even politicians have a hard time understanding what NASA is actually doing right now...and what their ''next step is'' (showed the hilarious footage inside congress some time ago)

Instead we get few scripted interviews that banishes all criticasters beforehand.
Why ? Why are they afraid of such an event ? It's quite common in sports and among shareholders from companies.
We have to believe they do all sorts of things ''out there'' that we benefit from ?
We should have the possibilty to hold them accountable,....but for some reason they can do whatever they want and even the most sceptical congressman doesn't understand what they are going to do with all the taxpayer's money.

You want to maintain the absent influence of the general public about what research should be done and what not......vote between blue and red once in four years and shut up in the mean time.

How can you suggest i want to end ''the search for answers'', while the supposed current scientific ''way'' is anything but transparent or democratic , no one can test it, no one is allowed to ask questions, no one can object to certain research......simply swallow our research and our goals that are over your head anyway !!!!
Yes i want to interview the astronauts and Adam Stelzner.... if i was an American i should have the right to at least attend a meeting where i can ask whatever i want about their achievements.
But no...........the sheeple can vote between red and blue and have to shut up about what is researched/explored and why.....

You should do a poll in America and ask people what they prefer....going to mars or better healthcare.......why is there so much disdain towards the general public ?

You complain about my ridiculing you and other flat earthers. What do you call this?

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
. . . . .
In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

And

the rest of your fantasies about a spinning, titlted, wobbling, accelerating ball in a vacuum of 28 billion lightyears across._

Then the total idiocy of comments like you make here:

Quote from: rabinoz on August 18, 2017, 10:46:24 PM

The earth is so close to a sphere that you can't pick the difference on other than very high resolution photos.
The polar diameter is 12,714 km and the equatorial diameter 12,756 km - 43 km in over 12,700 km - less's than 3 pixels on an 800 pixel image.

Wow nice all the exact distances in precise km !!
Wonder how they failed to see through carefully mapped and measured satelite info that the earth was actually peer shaped instaed of an oblate speroid.
According to Neil deGrasse Tyson the oblate speroid was a clear misinterpretation made by his colleagues who didn't understand the peershaped nature of earth.

Now i wonder, if the satelites could see everything and we measured the polar and equatorial diameter exactly in km !!!!!....
why did nobody tell us before that satelite imgages and precise calculations proved the earth to be peershaped ?
It seems that before Neil deGrasse Tyson took off the blinders inside the scientific community nobody understood earth is clearly wider below the equator.
If they somehow could calculate a precise 43 km difference  between the polar and equatorial diameter they should have seen that the earth is at it 's widest below the equator.
But no satelite seem to have noticed, nobody seemed to have calculated this........

You really wonder what they see up there.
One thing is for sure, the absolute bullshit of calculations with a precision in km.
Yet another episode in absolute NASA stupidity !!

As always an earthling must launch a new hypothesis ( the earth being peershaped) and then hardware supports the hypothesis.
Iow on earth they create their little fatasies and shortly after they confirm their nonsense with 'proof'

I assure you that satelites will proof the earth to be peershaped in the near futute with accurate mapped data that indeed shows that the earth is a little bit wider below the equator.
A new reality is created and  the likes of Rabinoz are spoonfed with the better understanding of earth's shape.
I wonder what is next that changes it's celestial shape, distance or substance that was expressed in exact km and other precise data before a 'new' discovery was made.

Dutchy, when posting an idiocit like that, you would look slightly less the ignoramous yourself if you at least did a spell-check on your posts!
I know English is not your first language and mine is, but the spell checker I am using immediately highlights:
"i", "mars", "wondering stars", "titlted", "satelite", "speroid", "peershaped", "imgages", "Iow", "fatasies" and "futute".
Whether you like it or not, letting that through makes you look totally ignorant.

If you want to claim others are claiming ridiculous things, you should not make yourself look a totally uneducated bumpkin (even if you are).
Yes, I make spelling and other mistakes too, but I do check what I write.

Now, if you stop all this ridiculing of things that you obviously don't understand, I and others might stop ridiculing the claims that you make.

Bye bye, have a nice day.

PS I can recognise the difference between Startrek and reality, apparently you can't!

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 09, 2018, 10:00:55 AM

I am not a betting person, but I would guess that if you offered dutchy any amount of money to visit an astronomical observatory he wouldn't take you up on it or if he did he wouldn't listen to any thing they told him.....They're part of the Great Conspitacy of course, you know....They would just tell you a bunch of lies.....Right, dutchy ?

Nope.......an observatory does observe things.......i disagree with some of their conclusions.
That's why the distance to the sun has varied between 5 and 200 million km over the years.
The math was provided by those who invented the model and what you observe can be interpreted many ways........

Current astronomy/cosmology is filled with comformation bias...the supposed detected gravity waves as absurd example that i really don't understand they could present as proof.
But they somehow managed to sell it to the scientific community...which is unbelievable.....

Your disparaging attempt to describe me says more about you than it says about me....think about it.

On what grounds do you disagree with research carried out at observatories?
How did you arrive at your conclusions?
You frequently go on-about wanting answers, well how about providing some of your own.
 

Quote from: EvolvedMantisShrimp on January 09, 2018, 05:53:55 AM

Nothing from flat earth proponents?

Not knowing is one thing. But no ideas as to how you might find out if you had the means? Or is this a lack of scientific curiosity?

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
All flateathers believe both the moon and mars aren't planets in a solar system as proposed.
We're not quite sure what the moon and mars really are, but we completely dismiss all official claims.
Strenghtened by the Apollo astronauts and Adam Stelzner ( mother and father of the mars rover) we have lots of conformation that we are dealing with liars, frauds, clowns and b- actors.

In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

You are correct for once the moon is not a planet. The clue is in the name. It’s a moon. There no secret to the nature of the moon as we can all see it. Likewise with Mars, so I’m not sur3 what your problem is?

You complain about my ridiculing you and other flat earthers. What do you call this?

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 09:33:08 AM

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
. . . . .
In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

And

Quote from: dutchy on January 06, 2018, 04:48:47 AM

the rest of your fantasies about a spinning, titlted, wobbling, accelerating ball in a vacuum of 28 billion lightyears across._

Then the total idiocy of comments like you make here:

Quote from: dutchy on August 19, 2017, 01:18:15 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 18, 2017, 10:46:24 PM

The earth is so close to a sphere that you can't pick the difference on other than very high resolution photos.
The polar diameter is 12,714 km and the equatorial diameter 12,756 km - 43 km in over 12,700 km - less's than 3 pixels on an 800 pixel image.

Wow nice all the exact distances in precise km !!
Wonder how they failed to see through carefully mapped and measured satelite info that the earth was actually peer shaped instaed of an oblate speroid.
According to Neil deGrasse Tyson the oblate speroid was a clear misinterpretation made by his colleagues who didn't understand the peershaped nature of earth.

Now i wonder, if the satelites could see everything and we measured the polar and equatorial diameter exactly in km !!!!!....
why did nobody tell us before that satelite imgages and precise calculations proved the earth to be peershaped ?
It seems that before Neil deGrasse Tyson took off the blinders inside the scientific community nobody understood earth is clearly wider below the equator.
If they somehow could calculate a precise 43 km difference  between the polar and equatorial diameter they should have seen that the earth is at it 's widest below the equator.
But no satelite seem to have noticed, nobody seemed to have calculated this........

You really wonder what they see up there.
One thing is for sure, the absolute bullshit of calculations with a precision in km.
Yet another episode in absolute NASA stupidity !!

As always an earthling must launch a new hypothesis ( the earth being peershaped) and then hardware supports the hypothesis.
Iow on earth they create their little fatasies and shortly after they confirm their nonsense with 'proof'

I assure you that satelites will proof the earth to be peershaped in the near futute with accurate mapped data that indeed shows that the earth is a little bit wider below the equator.
A new reality is created and  the likes of Rabinoz are spoonfed with the better understanding of earth's shape.
I wonder what is next that changes it's celestial shape, distance or substance that was expressed in exact km and other precise data before a 'new' discovery was made.

Dutchy, when posting an idiocit like that, you would look slightly less the ignoramous yourself if you at least did a spell-check on your posts!
I know English is not your first language and mine is, but the spell checker I am using immediately highlights:
"i", "mars", "wondering stars", "titlted", "satelite", "speroid", "peershaped", "imgages", "Iow", "fatasies" and "futute".
Whether you like it or not, letting that through makes you look totally ignorant.

If you want to claim others are claiming ridiculous things, you should not make yourself look a totally uneducated bumpkin (even if you are).
Yes, I make spelling and other mistakes too, but I do check what I write.

Now, if you stop all this ridiculing of things that you obviously don't understand, I and others might stop ridiculing the claims that you make.

Bye bye, have a nice day.

PS I can recognise the difference between Startrek and reality, apparently you can't!

Ahh the grammar strawman,,,when all other things have failed.....
For someone who thinks(?) i am a total uneducated bumpkin, you spend way to much time answering my posts.

I have no intention to do a spell check, because i want to give an accurate presentation of who i am with all it's limitations.
Sure it has certain appearent limitations that you rightfully mentioned....granted..and i appreciate the fact that most members try to understand my posts anyway...very kind of them !
I am vastly outnumbered in each and every topic...if an uneducated bumpkin draws so much attention....i must do something right !!
Or am i solely an object for your amusement that confirms your superiourity ?

I personally would never engage with an uneducated bumpkin so frequently, because i do not want to rub it in all the time...it is called compassion and being humble.
So what's the real reason behind your ongoing replies towards me ?
''Mr know it all'',''NASAphobic'',''uneducated bumpkin'', ''paranoia'' and ''hate filled''  have been coming my way lately......from you !!!
Any psychologist will affirm that i am triggering something that surely distabilizes you...because a person of your age does not need such remarks to make himself clear !

Sorry in advance for my bad grammar,....i hope you understand the message anyway !

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 09:33:08 AM

Quote from: EvolvedMantisShrimp on January 09, 2018, 05:53:55 AM

Nothing from flat earth proponents?

Not knowing is one thing. But no ideas as to how you might find out if you had the means? Or is this a lack of scientific curiosity?

'Going to mars is what humans do' said Don Pettit in the past.....he surely meant 'going to mars is what Hollywood does'.
All flateathers believe both the moon and mars aren't planets in a solar system as proposed.
We're not quite sure what the moon and mars really are, but we completely dismiss all official claims.
Strenghtened by the Apollo astronauts and Adam Stelzner ( mother and father of the mars rover) we have lots of conformation that we are dealing with liars, frauds, clowns and b- actors.

In your Hollywood lalalaland one can go to mars and land toys on it........ in our reality the wondering stars aren't solid...... we don't need to know such trivial things as the 'distance to mars'..... that's important in your startrek reality and people who are fooled into thinking that going to mars would benefit humanity.....

You are correct for once the moon is not a planet. The clue is in the name. It’s a moon. There no secret to the nature of the moon as we can all see it. Likewise with Mars, so I’m not sur3 what your problem is?

There's comfort in a tiny universe centered around your tiny planet. Some people need it to feel special.

Exactly, EM Shrimp.
I'm not saying dutchy specifically but a lot of FEs
Are looking for something that makes them special.
They live on the planet that is circled by everything else.

There is no other solar system,
Heck, we don't live in a solar system.
We are the centre of everything.

The other option, almost endless galaxies,
Billions of stars, with planets circling them
It does make you feel small and insignificant.

Some people don't like it.
And of course there are times I don't like it.
Nobody likes to feel insignificant.

But until a better explanation comes along
As to how it all works,
I will have to accept my insignificance and carry on.

Exactly, EM Shrimp.
I'm not saying dutchy specifically but a lot of FEs
Are looking for something that makes them special.
They live on the planet that is circled by everything else.

There is no other solar system,
Heck, we don't live in a solar system.
We are the centre of everything.

The other option, almost endless galaxies,
Billions of stars, with planets circling them
It does make you feel small and insignificant.

Some people don't like it.
And of course there are times I don't like it.
Nobody likes to feel insignificant.

But until a better explanation comes along
As to how it all works,
I will have to accept my insignificance and carry on.

Oddly enough, the sheer size and scope of the universe makes me feel that it's all the more miraculous that I have come into existence capable of even trying to contemplate something as spectacular as the universe.

I guess it comes down to what one feels is more amazing: a beautiful flower in a cultivated pot, or one growing through a crack in a city sidewalk.

Sorry in advance for my bad grammar,....i hope you understand the message anyway !

If you bothered taking notice of what I said, I believe that I was pointing out that if you want be taken seriously you'll lift your game.
I was pointing out that you are the one throwing ridicule about, but your own writing has such appalling spelling that in places I could not work out what you meant.

Get a spelling and grammar checker.
There's a limit to what people will accept and when you do it while trying to ignorantly ridicule NDeG, it makes your own claims fall flat!
If you're trying to ridicule NDeG like this

Wonder how they failed to see through carefully mapped and measured satelite info that the earth was actually peer shaped instaed of an oblate speroid.
According to Neil deGrasse Tyson the oblate speroid was a clear misinterpretation made by his colleagues who didn't understand the peershaped nature of earth.

It would pay to make sure your own writing does not make your claims sound more farcical the material you're trying to ridicule.

By the way it is you, Mr Know-it-all Dutchy, that don't understand the pear-shaped nature of earth. The deviation of the earth's shape from a perfect oblate spheroid is only a couple of hundred metres. NASAphobes who picture the earth as a pear (with a stalk) are nothing more than ignorant idiots setting out to deceive.

But,  why should I care if you carry on making yourself look ridiculous - not my problem!

I know English is not your first language and mine is,

Steady on Bruce, can't have the colonials getting ideas above their station - even if they are better at cricket!

Exactly, EM Shrimp.
I'm not saying dutchy specifically but a lot of FEs
Are looking for something that makes them special.
They live on the planet that is circled by everything else.

There is no other solar system,
Heck, we don't live in a solar system.
We are the centre of everything.

The other option, almost endless galaxies,
Billions of stars, with planets circling them
It does make you feel small and insignificant.

Some people don't like it.
And of course there are times I don't like it.
Nobody likes to feel insignificant.

But until a better explanation comes along
As to how it all works,
I will have to accept my insignificance and carry on.

"Lovecraftian horror is a subgenre of horror fiction that emphasizes the cosmic horror of the unknown (and in some cases, unknowable) more than gore or other elements of shock, though these may still be present."

I like the bleakness of it.

And yes, I, too, think a lot of what makes a flat earther has to do with the inability to comprehend the vastness, and our position and lack of "meaning" in all of it. I think the same applies to many religious people. Knowing there are boundaries can be comforting.

And yes, I, too, think a lot of what makes a flat earther has to do with the inability to comprehend the vastness, and our position and lack of "meaning" in all of it. I think the same applies to many religious people. Knowing there are boundaries can be comforting.

Indeed. They need a trip to the The Total Perspective Vortex on Frogstar B !!! I survived, but only by leaving Zarniwoop's office by the window.

Actually, the Hubble Space Telescope is rather like the Total Perspective Vortex from The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy. The deep field views really do show how insignificant we are. There are more stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on the earth. We are on a rock going around one of those grains of sand. How arrogant of (some) Homo Sapiens to think that we are anyway special in "creation".