Southern Cross and Polaris

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 01:43:12 PM

It is my understanding on the globe
If you want to see Polaris you have to be no further south than 2 degrees below the equator.
Any more than that (Australia for example) you can't see Polaris.
How does this work on a flat earth?

2 degrees? Good... That means Flat Earth stuff, related to distance issue. While "shifting 2 degrees southwards", your horizontal view is supposed to get upwards. (?) But no, even you don't have to dip your face to see polaris. the horizon ain't block your sight to see it. Because the earth is not a globe.

I have another problem.
If the earth was flat, would we have a horizon as we see it on the earth* ? (The globe, that is *)
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how far would it appear to be from the observer as we see it on the earth ? *
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, would the height of the observer affect how far away it appears to be  ? *
The horizon is defined as the line where  sky and land (or sea) appear to meet because of the curvature of the earth *
Since there is no curvature on a flat earth,  explain how  this would be if the earth was  flat ?

A little explanation of this "spotlight sun" would also be helpful.
Could it be a disc , too ?
If only the bottom was lighted, it would shine only downward , and then only in a circular shape ?
Or is there some kind of a something like a cylindrical lampshade with some kind of a lens to make the sun shine only downward in a
circle ?
In that case, wouldn't you see just the beam of light get smaller and fade away instead of the whole sun ?

Historical note on previous post, thanks to some research by a person on another website.:
The star Aldebaran could have been seen from Titanic on the night of April 12, 1912 .
But not on the night of the sinking.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.
From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.
So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.
The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.

What on earth do you mean by that?
The horizon is the apparent line between the sky and either the land or the sea, but it is very easy to see even if there are clouds,  as in:

From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.

Well, that is not the case everywhere. The sun often rises from and sets behind a clear sharp horizon as in this sunset.

So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.

Nothing that I see or is evident in those photos would indicate that.

The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

What would distort the "real position of the sun", other than a very small amount of refraction?

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

The atmosphere is very thin even at 120,000 ft, than some balloons reach, so it certainly seems logical that up much higher it is very close a vacuum.

Besides numerous sounding rockets have measured the density of the atmosphere at extremely high altitudes.

Quote from: smokified on January 02, 2018, 04:56:13 PM

That isn't true at all.  Light reflects off of ALL objects (otherwise they would be invisible..see: really clean glass).  You would still see light if you were outside of the "edge of the spotlight". 

You still need a line from the light source to the viewer, or from some object reflecting said light. When the Sun's far enough away it looks like it touches the horizon, and you're not getting any direct light from it, that severely limits your options.
Sure, there are some issues with it, but...

Really? What about when the sun not only "looks like it touches the horizon" but looks like is it really going down behind the horizon?
Explain that with YOUR spotlight etc, etc!

Your can still see the sun looking close to circular, but with a lot cut off the bottom. Let the flat earthers fight their own battles!

We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.

Why do you lie?  Maybe YOU never have seen it but millions of people, including myself, have.  You are wrong again.

Really? What about when the sun not only "looks like it touches the horizon" but looks like is it really going down behind the horizon?
Explain that with YOUR spotlight etc, etc!

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 11:37:34 AM

it's the same basic reason behind why the Sun sets (leaving aside arguments based on that as they're not relevant here)

Also, not my problem you refuse to read or think about a word anyone else says. A spotlight Sun to explain why night happens should not be something you're only just hearing about when it comes to FET.

Are you four?

I am probably repeating myself as I may have said this a few times before, but once more.:

The best place to observe and prove the rising and setting of the sun, moon and stars ; the horizon and the distance to the horizon and possibly other phenomena is in the middle of the ocean on a clear day or night with no peculiar or unusual atmospherics to interfere with your observations.

There are no obstructions such as hills and valleys,  trees, etc. to interfere with your observations as there would be on land.

This is one reason I have often wondered if any FE's ....especially Samuel Birley Rowbotham.....had even ever been to sea ?
Or maybe they are  "completely at sea" on a few things ? LOL

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 02, 2018, 05:40:19 PM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 01:43:12 PM

It is my understanding on the globe
If you want to see Polaris you have to be no further south than 2 degrees below the equator.
Any more than that (Australia for example) you can't see Polaris.
How does this work on a flat earth?

2 degrees? Good... That means Flat Earth stuff, related to distance issue. While "shifting 2 degrees southwards", your horizontal view is supposed to get upwards. (?) But no, even you don't have to dip your face to see polaris. the horizon ain't block your sight to see it. Because the earth is not a globe.

I have another problem.
If the earth was flat, would we have a horizon as we see it on the earth* ? (The globe, that is *)
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how far would it appear to be from the observer as we see it on the earth ? *
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, would the height of the observer affect how far away it appears to be  ? *
The horizon is defined as the line where  sky and land (or sea) appear to meet because of the curvature of the earth *
Since there is no curvature on a flat earth,  explain how  this would be if the earth was  flat ?

A little explanation of this "spotlight sun" would also be helpful.
Could it be a disc , too ?
If only the bottom was lighted, it would shine only downward , and then only in a circular shape ?
Or is there some kind of a something like a cylindrical lampshade with some kind of a lens to make the sun shine only downward in a
circle ?
In that case, wouldn't you see just the beam of light get smaller and fade away instead of the whole sun ?

Historical note on previous post, thanks to some research by a person on another website.:
The star Aldebaran could have been seen from Titanic on the night of April 12, 1912 .
But not on the night of the sinking.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.
From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.
So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.
The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

"Sun always appears from Above The Clouds"
What if there are no clouds ?
Where does the  "Sun always appears from" on a clear day ?

"We NEVER see the sun rises from  horizon."
I could start a thread on this, but I'll just keep it informal.:
How many FE's have even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
Have YOU- DANANG (personally , yourself) even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
I have.

Read my signature .....LOL

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 11:15:33 PM

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.

What on earth do you mean by that?
The horizon is the apparent line between the sky and either the land or the sea, but it is very easy to see even if there are clouds,  as in:

Quote from: Danang

From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.

Well, that is not the case everywhere. The sun often rises from and sets behind a clear sharp horizon as in this sunset.

Quote from: Danang

So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.

Nothing that I see or is evident in those photos would indicate that.

Quote from: Danang

The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

What would distort the "real position of the sun", other than a very small amount of refraction?

Quote from: Danang

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

The atmosphere is very thin even at 120,000 ft, than some balloons reach, so it certainly seems logical that up much higher it is very close a vacuum.

Besides numerous sounding rockets have measured the density of the atmosphere at extremely high altitudes.

They have yet been unable to measure the distance to the dome.

Quote from: rabinoz on January 03, 2018, 04:19:02 AM

Really? What about when the sun not only "looks like it touches the horizon" but looks like is it really going down behind the horizon?
Explain that with YOUR spotlight etc, etc!

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 07:04:01 PM

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 11:37:34 AM

it's the same basic reason behind why the Sun sets (leaving aside arguments based on that as they're not relevant here)

Also, not my problem you refuse to read or think about a word anyone else says. A spotlight Sun to explain why night happens should not be something you're only just hearing about when it comes to FET.

Are you four?

No I am NOT FOUR!
But, I am getting more and more convinced that you are blind, have never seen the sun are have lost all power of rational thought.

I am not debating why "A spotlight Sun to explain why night happens".

There are some important issues here that you will not face.

• The geometrical angle above the horizon of flat earth sun at the time of sunrise or sunset is 15° or more, depending on location.
  So how does the sun even get to appear down even near the horizon?
  Yes, I know "refraction" or "magic bendy light" has been used to explain that away, but let's keep things a little in keeping with physical knowledge.
  
  
• The sun stays the same shape (almost exactly circular) and apparent size all day (about 0.55°) from sunrise to sunset.
             As an aside, this proves that the sun is a great distance away, not just "whatever the current guess is" high.
  This circular shape appears to slide down behind the horizon as in the photos I get so tired of showing because you keep pushing you silly magic spotlight sun.
  
  So explain this with your spotlight sun:
  Quote from: rabinoz on January 03, 2018, 04:19:02 AM

  Quote from: rabinoz on January 03, 2018, 02:38:11 AM

  Your can still see the sun looking close to circular, but with a lot cut off the bottom. Let the flat earthers fight their own battles!

In the interests of brevity, I have had to omit numerous other issues such as sunspots but I am sure it has been raised time and time again.
The sun is apparently spherical as sunspots can be observed the move slowly across the face. The patterns change slowly but the general pattern shows that the sun appears to rotate about once each 27 days.
And don't you dare say that this is a Globe thing as

The first written record of sunspots was made by Chinese astronomers around 800 B.C. Court astrologers in ancient China and Korea, who believed sunspots foretold important events, kept records off and on of sunspots for hundreds of years.

This seems to kill any idea of a "spotlight sun".

Now the same sunspot pattern is seen by everyone all over the earth - I'll let you work out the very obvious implications of that.

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 03:27:26 PM

I have read some of Rowb's rantings.
But find them wqanting.

I have asked the following several times
And received no response from the FE side.

Can someone in Australia see Polaris?
Can someone in Alaska see the Southern Cross?

We have to start somewhere.
Globe says you can't see Polaris from Australia.
Globe says you can't see Southern Cross from Alaska.

What does FE say?

If there are some FE's in Australia and Alaska, why don't they just get off their P.C.'s, go outside (on the other side of the windows from where they look out) some dark night and just look up at the stars in the dark sky and report back on what they do see ?
RE's could do this, but the question seems to be asked for answers from FE's ?

Exactly.  The thread got derailed and we're back to the magical spotlight.
Which I find fascinating but has nothing to do with the start of the thread.

But OK, spotlight sun shines down to flat earth.
And only illuminates a certain area, so far so good.

Ever been to a concert?
Spotlight shines down on your musician of choice.
You are in the dark but you can see the light on the band.

My point being, just cause you are in the dark
Does not mean you can't see the light from the spotlight.

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 07:04:01 PM

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 11:37:34 AM

it's the same basic reason behind why the Sun sets (leaving aside arguments based on that as they're not relevant here)

I am not debating why "A spotlight Sun to explain why night happens".

And I am not debating a spotlight Sun in this thread. I know you have issues, I'm not interested, you don't have to spam the same stock arguments every single person has seen incessantly. You've seen this, pay attention, stop ignoring it and stop acting like a child. I am not talking about this.
Yes, there are issues with the Sun, this thread is about stars going out of view. Do you see the difference?

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 11:15:33 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 02, 2018, 05:40:19 PM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 01:43:12 PM

It is my understanding on the globe
If you want to see Polaris you have to be no further south than 2 degrees below the equator.
Any more than that (Australia for example) you can't see Polaris.
How does this work on a flat earth?

2 degrees? Good... That means Flat Earth stuff, related to distance issue. While "shifting 2 degrees southwards", your horizontal view is supposed to get upwards. (?) But no, even you don't have to dip your face to see polaris. the horizon ain't block your sight to see it. Because the earth is not a globe.

I have another problem.
If the earth was flat, would we have a horizon as we see it on the earth* ? (The globe, that is *)
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how far would it appear to be from the observer as we see it on the earth ? *
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, would the height of the observer affect how far away it appears to be  ? *
The horizon is defined as the line where  sky and land (or sea) appear to meet because of the curvature of the earth *
Since there is no curvature on a flat earth,  explain how  this would be if the earth was  flat ?

A little explanation of this "spotlight sun" would also be helpful.
Could it be a disc , too ?
If only the bottom was lighted, it would shine only downward , and then only in a circular shape ?
Or is there some kind of a something like a cylindrical lampshade with some kind of a lens to make the sun shine only downward in a
circle ?
In that case, wouldn't you see just the beam of light get smaller and fade away instead of the whole sun ?

Historical note on previous post, thanks to some research by a person on another website.:
The star Aldebaran could have been seen from Titanic on the night of April 12, 1912 .
But not on the night of the sinking.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.
From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.
So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.
The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

"Sun always appears from Above The Clouds"
What if there are no clouds ?
Where does the  "Sun always appears from" on a clear day ?

"We NEVER see the sun rises from  horizon."
I could start a thread on this, but I'll just keep it informal.:
How many FE's have even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
Have YOU- DANANG (personally , yourself) even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
I have.

Read my signature .....LOL

Our equator is an area of dense clouds, whether or not I observe sunrives (sun arrives) and or sunleaves (="sunset"), 6 AM & 6 PM are the boundary of horizon block (according to RET). Coz sun in our place behave regularly: it appears around 12 hours all the time.
The sun always appears "all of sudden" at around 6 AM following its growing bright from 5 AM spotlight.

Conclussion:
1. Sunrives occurs above the clouds.
2. Obsevation on the beach is optional.
3. Let Rabinoz dream. ^_^

Quote from: rabinoz on January 03, 2018, 12:54:47 PM

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 07:04:01 PM

Quote from: Jane on January 01, 2018, 11:37:34 AM

it's the same basic reason behind why the Sun sets (leaving aside arguments based on that as they're not relevant here)

I am not debating why "A spotlight Sun to explain why night happens".

And I am not debating a spotlight Sun in this thread. I know you have issues, I'm not interested, you don't have to spam the same stock arguments every single person has seen incessantly. You've seen this, pay attention, stop ignoring it and stop acting like a child. I am not talking about this.
Yes, there are issues with the Sun, this thread is about stars going out of view. Do you see the difference?

What are the issues with the sun, please elaborate.

"When you panic in debates, just say: Why do you lie?, you're a liar, or such. Okay dude?"

"Errr.. Okay, boss"

:'&+#;@*;(?"*);&#

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 03, 2018, 11:29:44 AM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 11:15:33 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 02, 2018, 05:40:19 PM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 01:43:12 PM

It is my understanding on the globe
If you want to see Polaris you have to be no further south than 2 degrees below the equator.
Any more than that (Australia for example) you can't see Polaris.
How does this work on a flat earth?

2 degrees? Good... That means Flat Earth stuff, related to distance issue. While "shifting 2 degrees southwards", your horizontal view is supposed to get upwards. (?) But no, even you don't have to dip your face to see polaris. the horizon ain't block your sight to see it. Because the earth is not a globe.

I have another problem.
If the earth was flat, would we have a horizon as we see it on the earth* ? (The globe, that is *)
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how far would it appear to be from the observer as we see it on the earth ? *
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, would the height of the observer affect how far away it appears to be  ? *
The horizon is defined as the line where  sky and land (or sea) appear to meet because of the curvature of the earth *
Since there is no curvature on a flat earth,  explain how  this would be if the earth was  flat ?

A little explanation of this "spotlight sun" would also be helpful.
Could it be a disc , too ?
If only the bottom was lighted, it would shine only downward , and then only in a circular shape ?
Or is there some kind of a something like a cylindrical lampshade with some kind of a lens to make the sun shine only downward in a
circle ?
In that case, wouldn't you see just the beam of light get smaller and fade away instead of the whole sun ?

Historical note on previous post, thanks to some research by a person on another website.:
The star Aldebaran could have been seen from Titanic on the night of April 12, 1912 .
But not on the night of the sinking.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.
From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.
So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.
The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

"Sun always appears from Above The Clouds"
What if there are no clouds ?
Where does the  "Sun always appears from" on a clear day ?

"We NEVER see the sun rises from  horizon."
I could start a thread on this, but I'll just keep it informal.:
How many FE's have even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
Have YOU- DANANG (personally , yourself) even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
I have.

Read my signature .....LOL

Our equator is an area of dense clouds, whether or not I observe sunrives (sun arrives) and or sunleaves (="sunset"), 6 AM & 6 PM are the boundary of horizon block (according to RET). Coz sun in our place behave regularly: it appears around 12 hours all the time.
The sun always appears "all of sudden" at around 6 AM following its growing bright from 5 AM spotlight.

Conclussion:
1. Sunrives occurs above the clouds.
2. Obsevation on the beach is optional.
3. Let Rabinoz dream. ^_^

You are either trolling or really don't know what you are talking about.
Do you honestly believe everyone on the earth gets 12 hours day and 12 hours night?
Come see me where I live.
Sun comes up around 10:00 AM
Sun go down around 3:00 PM.

Could you explain this?
Better yet, you should be able to give an estimate to where I am.

Quote from: Danang on January 03, 2018, 03:15:09 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 03, 2018, 11:29:44 AM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 11:15:33 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 02, 2018, 05:40:19 PM

Quote from: Danang on January 02, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: ER22 on December 31, 2017, 01:43:12 PM

It is my understanding on the globe
If you want to see Polaris you have to be no further south than 2 degrees below the equator.
Any more than that (Australia for example) you can't see Polaris.
How does this work on a flat earth?

2 degrees? Good... That means Flat Earth stuff, related to distance issue. While "shifting 2 degrees southwards", your horizontal view is supposed to get upwards. (?) But no, even you don't have to dip your face to see polaris. the horizon ain't block your sight to see it. Because the earth is not a globe.

I have another problem.
If the earth was flat, would we have a horizon as we see it on the earth* ? (The globe, that is *)
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how far would it appear to be from the observer as we see it on the earth ? *
If there is a horizon on a flat earth, would the height of the observer affect how far away it appears to be  ? *
The horizon is defined as the line where  sky and land (or sea) appear to meet because of the curvature of the earth *
Since there is no curvature on a flat earth,  explain how  this would be if the earth was  flat ?

A little explanation of this "spotlight sun" would also be helpful.
Could it be a disc , too ?
If only the bottom was lighted, it would shine only downward , and then only in a circular shape ?
Or is there some kind of a something like a cylindrical lampshade with some kind of a lens to make the sun shine only downward in a
circle ?
In that case, wouldn't you see just the beam of light get smaller and fade away instead of the whole sun ?

Historical note on previous post, thanks to some research by a person on another website.:
The star Aldebaran could have been seen from Titanic on the night of April 12, 1912 .
But not on the night of the sinking.

"Horizon" is only a human language, human with eyes sight scale.
From equator a little light showed up for the first time at (before) 5 AM and the sun appears at around 6 AM. At 5 AM the position of the little light is about -45°. And sun appears at around -22.5°. We NEVER see the sun rises from horizon. Sun always appears from Above The Clouds.
So I conclude: The sun's ray refracts or bends. Even at 6 PM we see from left side of the sun: some lines with different angles from sun's light line.
This conforms that the sun we see is only the reflected sun ray. While the real sun gives rays towards other mediums so that we see different ray lines on sky.
The real position of the sun is distorted by some factors.
Either clouds, ceiling above the sun as well as below the sun.

We cannot assume the sky is vacuum. So complicated reality manifest n researches are on process to crack it.

"Sun always appears from Above The Clouds"
What if there are no clouds ?
Where does the  "Sun always appears from" on a clear day ?

"We NEVER see the sun rises from  horizon."
I could start a thread on this, but I'll just keep it informal.:
How many FE's have even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
Have YOU- DANANG (personally , yourself) even ever been to sea, in the middle of the ocean ?
I have.

Read my signature .....LOL

Our equator is an area of dense clouds, whether or not I observe sunrives (sun arrives) and or sunleaves (="sunset"), 6 AM & 6 PM are the boundary of horizon block (according to RET). Coz sun in our place behave regularly: it appears around 12 hours all the time.
The sun always appears "all of sudden" at around 6 AM following its growing bright from 5 AM spotlight.

Conclussion:
1. Sunrives occurs above the clouds.
2. Obsevation on the beach is optional.
3. Let Rabinoz dream. ^_^

You are either trolling or really don't know what you are talking about.
Do you honestly believe everyone on the earth gets 12 hours day and 12 hours night?
Come see me where I live.
Sun comes up around 10:00 AM
Sun go down around 3:00 PM.

Could you explain this?
Better yet, you should be able to give an estimate to where I am.

Of course in other places experience different thing.

I predicted you live in northest Scandinavia.

Exactly, different places get different sun light.
And I apologize for a mistake I made.
From the info I gave you, I would only be able to tell an approximation of latitude.
 
So I'll give you that one.
Actually in northern Canada.

One thing you should think about though
I believe Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight right now.
Hard to do that on any FE map I have seen.

Exactly, different places get different sun light.
And I apologize for a mistake I made.
From the info I gave you, I would only be able to tell an approximation of latitude.
 
So I'll give you that one.
Actually in northern Canada.

One thing you should think about though
I believe Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight right now.
Hard to do that on any FE map I have seen.

That's okay.

For Phew FE map, the center is celestial south pole. No problem with 24 hours daylight at south pole. The diameter of sun's circular path is being in shortest moments.

As to 24 hours daylight summer at northern hemisplane, that is possible too, coz the sun is being at highest altitude at that time (June 21st).
Why at that time on equator there is night n day as usual? Because equator is dense with clouds. Once the sun position is getting high enough, it will shine the northest hemisplane all day all night.

Phew FE map ain't offer details yet. It only offer logic with approximate realities.

Quote from: ER22 on January 04, 2018, 04:35:41 PM

Exactly, different places get different sun light.
And I apologize for a mistake I made.
From the info I gave you, I would only be able to tell an approximation of latitude.
 
So I'll give you that one.
Actually in northern Canada.

One thing you should think about though
I believe Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight right now.
Hard to do that on any FE map I have seen.

That's okay.

For Phew FE map, the center is celestial south pole. No problem with 24 hours daylight at south pole. The diameter of sun's circular path is being in shortest moments.

As to 24 hours daylight summer at northern hemisplane, that is possible too, coz the sun is being at highest altitude at that time (June 21st).
Why at that time on equator there is night n day as usual? Because equator is dense with clouds. Once the sun position is getting high enough, it will shine the northest hemisplane all day all night.

Phew FE map ain't offer details yet. It only offer logic with approximate realities.

You are approaching troll status in my books.
"Because equator dense with clouds" can't explain night and day.
What is the "northest hemisplane"?

Let's test your trollness.
At any one time, half of the earth is in sunlight, half in darkness.

You could test your Phew simply by seeing if it accurately predicts
What is sunny and what is dark.

Quote from: Danang on January 06, 2018, 07:55:14 AM

Quote from: ER22 on January 04, 2018, 04:35:41 PM

Exactly, different places get different sun light.
And I apologize for a mistake I made.
From the info I gave you, I would only be able to tell an approximation of latitude.
 
So I'll give you that one.
Actually in northern Canada.

One thing you should think about though
I believe Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight right now.
Hard to do that on any FE map I have seen.

That's okay.

For Phew FE map, the center is celestial south pole. No problem with 24 hours daylight at south pole. The diameter of sun's circular path is being in shortest moments.

As to 24 hours daylight summer at northern hemisplane, that is possible too, coz the sun is being at highest altitude at that time (June 21st).
Why at that time on equator there is night n day as usual? Because equator is dense with clouds. Once the sun position is getting high enough, it will shine the northest hemisplane all day all night.

Phew FE map ain't offer details yet. It only offer logic with approximate realities.

You are approaching troll status in my books.
"Because equator dense with clouds" can't explain night and day.
What is the "northest hemisplane"?

Let's test your trollness.
At any one time, half of the earth is in sunlight, half in darkness.

You could test your Phew simply by seeing if it accurately predicts
What is sunny and what is dark.

Don't you know that so many things were regarded trollness till one day it showed up with rationality?

The issue of dark n bright is related to cloud blocks. It contains complicated variables.
One thing for sure: If there were not clouds, entire earth would be bright at day time. "Earth curve" would be nothing compared to the sun's distance to earth.

Big note: The Sun is LOCAL, even it is already applied in modern science. The thing is, they wouldn't admit it.
If the sun were 93 millions miles away, there would not be different temperatures on earth, either on equator and or pole.

danang:
One thing for sure: If there were not clouds, entire earth would be bright at day time

Not sure if I understand your sentence.
Are you meaning to say that if there were no clouds,
The whole world would be in daylight at the same time?

If this is what you meant, I'm sorry for you.
That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

If you didn't mean that,
Please explain.

That is an easy stuff, even if I didn't articulate it perfectly.

This is sunday... Let's take a break for a while..

The southern cross is on Australia and New Zeland's flag. At what time of night is the southern cross not due south of each location?


Yes, it was easy.

I am probably repeating myself as I may have said this a few times before, but once more.:

The best place to observe and prove the rising and setting of the sun, moon and stars ; the horizon and the distance to the horizon and possibly other phenomena is in the middle of the ocean on a clear day or night with no peculiar or unusual atmospherics to interfere with your observations.

There are no obstructions such as hills and valleys,  trees, etc. to interfere with your observations as there would be on land.

This is one reason I have often wondered if any FE's ....especially Samuel Birley Rowbotham.....had even ever been to sea ?
Or maybe they are  "completely at sea" on a few things ? LOL

You know, I am beginning to think even the RE-tards would start to get sick of seeing your (and your numerous alts) incessant posts about being at sea and how your four years in the Navy give you some kind of special insight...

I got news for you...

It doesn't.

Even if viewing conditions were just as clear as a bell at any point within 3 miles of your position, it does not mean they are clear at 3.000001.

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 03, 2018, 11:13:00 AM

I am probably repeating myself as I may have said this a few times before, but once more.:

The best place to observe and prove the rising and setting of the sun, moon and stars ; the horizon and the distance to the horizon and possibly other phenomena is in the middle of the ocean on a clear day or night with no peculiar or unusual atmospherics to interfere with your observations.

There are no obstructions such as hills and valleys,  trees, etc. to interfere with your observations as there would be on land.

This is one reason I have often wondered if any FE's ....especially Samuel Birley Rowbotham.....had even ever been to sea ?
Or maybe they are  "completely at sea" on a few things ? LOL

You know, I am beginning to think even the RE-tards would start to get sick of seeing your (and your numerous alts) incessant posts about being at sea and how your four years in the Navy give you some kind of special insight...

I got news for you...

It doesn't.

Even if viewing conditions were just as clear as a bell at any point within 3 miles of your position, it does not mean they are clear at 3.000001.

Use satellite imagery and see where are the nearest clouds and if they were too far and too low below horizon to get in the way.

Use satellite imagery and see where are the nearest clouds and if they were too far and too low below horizon to get in the way.

Okay, but there are atmospheric phenomena interfering with sight.

Quote from: Macarios on January 07, 2018, 02:22:41 AM

Use satellite imagery and see where are the nearest clouds and if they were too far and too low below horizon to get in the way.

Okay, but there are atmospheric phenomena interfering with sight.

Mirage can interfere during some temperature distributions on air layers, but they aren't permanent either. Measured and documented.