Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?

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rabinoz

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2017, 01:10:58 PM »
On a flat earth the radio signals from the balloon wouldn't be occluded as soon. Using atmosphere penetrating wavelengths - balloon origined signals can travel quite far.
Please list these "atmosphere penetrating wavelengths" and tell us the dB/km attenuation at these frequencies.
Just remember that one DBS satellite can cover a range of up to 6000 km wide.

By the way Mr Narcberry the topic happens to be "Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in 'debunking'?"
and was debating that till your de-railing it with:
Russia was the first to successfully launch a satellite

Anyone can tie a radio transmitter to a balloon. Big whoop.
But in a belated answer to your ridiculous question:

Sure "Anyone can tie a radio transmitter to a balloon" and most high altitude balloons have radio transmitters,
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2017, 01:16:35 PM »
This is probably the most absurd claim an RE'er has made today.
Nope.
It isn't absurd at all.
Perhaps you can try to address the massive differences between satellites and balloons?

Such as... ?
Geostationary satellites follow precisely predictable orbits at approximately 35,786 km above mean sea level.
Balloons follow unpredictable paths determined by the local wind at an altitude of no more than about 50.0 km.

Hence one geostationary satellite can broadcast to a whole continent the size of USA or Australia plus New Zealand.
But one balloon can cover only a limited region.

On a flat earth the radio signals from the balloon wouldn't be occluded as soon. Using atmosphere penetrating wavelengths - balloon origined signals can travel quite far.
But in the case of geostationary satellites like for TV that would mean dishes across the country would be pointed in vastly different directions.  That's not the case.
In the US ALL such dishes are pointed south at an angle to receive from a height far too great for a balloon.

Not true, in FET they'd just be pointed at a lower altitude.
But they aren't.  Also, that isn't the only thing different.  If you continue to travel south more and more the point higher.  Until at the equator they nearly straight up.  Then as you move south the continue to point more nothernly.

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narcberry

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2017, 01:25:35 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ

Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2017, 01:46:17 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
You're right.  They would be circling above at an incredible and exactly predictable speed.  Doesn't sound possible for a balloon.

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narcberry

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2017, 01:57:00 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
You're right.  They would be circling above at an incredible and exactly predictable speed.  Doesn't sound possible for a balloon.

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EvolvedMantisShrimp

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2017, 02:18:26 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ

How do you know? Even if the Earth were flat and manmade objects had never actually orbited the Earth, what makes it impossible? If the Earth is an object with mass, then it should be possible for another object with mass to orbit it.
Nullius in Verba

Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2017, 02:36:38 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
You're right.  They would be circling above at an incredible and exactly predictable speed.  Doesn't sound possible for a balloon.

Strawman
Dodge

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narcberry

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2017, 02:42:30 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
You're right.  They would be circling above at an incredible and exactly predictable speed.  Doesn't sound possible for a balloon.

Strawman
Dodge
Spam

Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2017, 02:45:32 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
You're right.  They would be circling above at an incredible and exactly predictable speed.  Doesn't sound possible for a balloon.

Strawman
Dodge
Spam
Not at all.  You completely dodged the question and I pointed that out.
Would love to see an actual explaination from you but we both know that is not going to happen.

Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2017, 03:22:44 PM »
Well, my question is that, is because I don't understand that FE are only focused on "debunking" NASA, there are more countries with space programs like the European Union, Russia, China, India, Canada, etc. and if the conspiracy was as big as it seems to be, then it
would have been discovered long time ago, so this community would have no sense at all.
I forgot something, don't tell me that NASA has lots of money and can obligate other countries to keep the secret because NASA's 19 billion dollars in budget can't be compared with the USA military budget that is about 600 billion dollars.

Because most posters on the FE forums are Americans, who don't fully understand the concept of Other Countries.
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rabinoz

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Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2017, 04:15:54 PM »
but how do you get your balloon to travel ant 8,100 m/s, taking only 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit.
That 96.2 minutes to complete each orbit was easy to verify.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
But you can orbit the real earth!

Re: Why is NASA the only space agency FE are focused in "debunking"?
« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2017, 07:36:48 PM »
Not true, in FET they'd just be pointed at a lower altitude.
Meanwhile, in reality, they are not.

In fact, this just relates to a similar problem than that with Polaris and the sun.
The angle observed in reality makes a single position for these objects impossible in the FE models.

In FET, you cannot orbit the earth. You REALLY should read the FAQ
Meanwhile, in reality you can. But again you avoid the issue.
It's almost like you know you are completely full of shit and are doing whatever you can to avoid admitting so.

How do your balloons travel so fast?