The Holocaust didn't happen.

Think about it, 6 million Jews?

If that number was correct, it would be the first in the history of war.

Holocaust did happen. :roll:

Stupid Ass.

Well my first post was going to be elsewhere, but being quite into WWII I couldn't pass this up, and it's frankly quite shocking it took until the second page for somebody to mention that it wasn't just jews. The groups, among others persecuted and subsequently shot, then gassed because Himmler had a weak stomach are...

*Jews (duh)
*Gypsies & Didacoys
*Trade Unionists
*Socialists
*Mentally Disabled
*Political Activists
*Homosexuals

All in all, the Nazis were nasty to a whole lot of people. And to reassure the person who brought up the Armenian genocide, some people do really know about it. At least in this country.

Theoretically it's conceivable, but then what about the missing links in ancestry (unless they changed their names) and photographs of--as well as still-standing--concentration camps?

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Wait a minute...an FE'er who just used the word "photograph" as evidence? Awesome!

*Homosexuals

Sort of ironic in a horribly sickening way, if you think about how many of the Nazis were gay, and promoted for being gay (or pretending so they could be promoted).

As far as I know you did. If not please let me know how much they give and if there's any official websites I can read about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany

Germany is still paying the State of Israel and will continue doing so until every Holocaust survivor is dead. To this day Germany is compensating 120 000 survivors.

Thanks for the hug.

Sort of ironic in a horribly sickening way, if you think about how many of the Nazis were gay, and promoted for being gay (or pretending so they could be promoted).

Never in my life have I heard of this.

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Sort of ironic in a horribly sickening way, if you think about how many of the Nazis were gay, and promoted for being gay (or pretending so they could be promoted).

Never in my life have I heard of this.

As much as I disagree with RedSkull, I have to say I've never heard of this either. Would you mind posting a link to something on this, Ubuntu?

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Sort of ironic in a horribly sickening way, if you think about how many of the Nazis were gay, and promoted for being gay (or pretending so they could be promoted).

Never in my life have I heard of this.

As much as I disagree with RedSkull, I have to say I've never heard of this either. Would you mind posting a link to something on this, Ubuntu?

There are several sources of questionable reliability supporting this assertion, mostly based on the claim that the leadership of the Stormtroopers (SA), Hitler's early power base, was homosexual; however all reliable sources indicate is that Rohm, leader of the SA, was rumored to be homosexual, and that after the SA reformed to prominence (after being banned for several years) he staffed the leadership with friends who were also rumored to be gay. Somehow one important Nazi being a supposed gay translates to 'the gays helped the Nazis to power'. Certainly the Nazi party itself did not approve of homosexuality. However, the Nazi reaction to homosexuality was not cut-and-dried homophobia; they often performed experiments on gays in the camp, even so far as (according to some reports) forced, crude sex change operations.

Wait a minute...an FE'er who just used the word "photograph" as evidence? Awesome!

It's a completely different matter. I don't think there are claims of a conspiracy, or at least not one that would be organized enough to throw together photographs. Wait to be a pretentious douche.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany

Germany is still paying the State of Israel and will continue doing so until every Holocaust survivor is dead. To this day Germany is compensating 120 000 survivors.

Wow, I've never heard about that before. That is actually really, really ridiculous. I suppose, though, it's different for the actual survivors, since they were involved. What I can't stand even more, though, is when people talk about slavery and stuff, and make it seem as if the white people in America are still responsible for reparating the black people in America.
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I suggest you go and read your own source.

Germany is still paying the State of Israel and will continue doing so until every Holocaust survivor is dead.

Please show me where in the link that you posted it says that Germany is still paying the State of Israel or provide another link.

So far as I can tell Germany (the state) isn't paying the State of Israel anything any more.

...West Germany paid Israel a sum of 3 billion marks over the next fourteen years; 450 million marks were paid to the World Jewish Congress. The payments were made to the State of Israel as the heir to those victims who had no surviving family...

That's what the German State paid and that was started in 1953.

To be fair to you, there is still compensation being paid and also compensation being sought after. There are basically three areas:

• Companies compensating for slave labour.
• Insurance companies paying out insurance.
• Germany compensating Holocaust survivors in the USA.

in the 1990s, Jews began making claims for property stolen in Eastern Europe. Various groups also began investigating what happened to money deposited in Swiss banks by Jews outside of Switzerland who were later murdered in the Holocaust, and what happened to money deposited by various Nazis in Swiss banks. In addition, individual companies (many of them based in Germany) began to be pressured by survivor groups to compensate former forced laborers . Among them are Deutsche Bank AG, Siemens AG, Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW), Volkswagen AG, and Adam Opel GmbH. In response, early in 1999, the German government proclaimed the establishment of a fund with monies from these companies to help needy Holocaust survivors. A similar fund was set up by the Swiss, as was a Hungarian fund for compensation of Holocaust victims and their heirs. At the close of the 1990s, discussions of compensation by insurance companies that had insured Jews before the war and who were later murdered by the Nazis were held. These companies include Alliance, AXA, Assicurazioni Generali, Zürich Financial Services Group, Winterhur, and Baloise Insurance Group. With the help of information about Holocaust victims made available by Yad Vashem, an international commission under former US Secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger, has been trying to uncover the names of those who had been insured and died in the Holocaust.The World Jewish Restitution Organization was created to organize these efforts. On behalf of US citizens, the US Foreign Claims Settlement Commission reached agreements with the German government in 1998 and 1999 to compensate Holocaust victims who immigrated to the US after the war.

You're wrong: Germany doesn't pay Israel. The only thing Germany will be paying is holocaust survivors that went to the USA. This won't be an ongoing payment until they die but will be much like the compensation they paid to Israel. I'm sure Germany can easily afford it.

To this day Germany is compensating 120,000 survivors.

Now where did you get this figure from? It certainly isn't from your source you posted. You also don't mention how much they're compensating and for how long.

I suggest you read through a source you post before you post it unless you enjoy your own sources contradicting you.

Wow, I've never heard about that before. That is actually really, really ridiculous. I suppose, though, it's different for the actual survivors, since they were involved.

If you read through the source he posted it tells a different story to what he's saying.

Wow, midgard you are dense.

Scroll down to External links and click on the first link.

What I can't stand even more, though, is when people talk about slavery and stuff, and make it seem as if the white people in America are still responsible for reparating the black people in America.
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Yeah that is ridiculous. It's called White guilt.

Wow...even more stupidity in this forum. (I'm German btw)

Even though denying or trivialising the holocaust is one of the most stupid/... things you can do I also have to say that it's not fair to blame today's Germans or to say that it's a country full of Nazis (bot nobody here does, so I don't see a problem). There are much more Nazis (e.g.) in America and other 'countries' did very very horrible things, too. Of course that doesn't make the holocaust 'better'. But sometimes I feel like people from other countries don't see what their own country did - and even worse: still does. Instead they refer to the holocaust and think everything is harmless in comparison...which is total nonsense. Even though we have some problems with Neonazis at the moment, Germany doesn't kill people - in contrary to loads of other countries.

Probably Albert Einstein would move back to Germany today...

Probably Albert Einstein would move back to Germany today...

Why? He belongs in Israel..

Think about it, 6 million Jews? That would mean there would be practically no Jews around now. The reason the numbers are so high is because most Jews fled Germany, changing their names and such. Zyklon-B isn't a sufficient chemical to exterminate people on such a mass level.

The reason is the Zionists hyped up the Holocaust to fuel the war, ending in a new state..Israel!

It all makes sense, doesn't it?

No.  

You argue about how many, as if it wasn't so bad if it was only 3 million instead of 6 million.  You state that is 6 million were killed there'd be none left.  The estimated Jewish population of Europe at the time was close to 10,000,000.

The Holocaust included nearly another 5,000,000 of non-Jewish people, one of the largest groups of these were Christian Poles.  I suppose that was just "Made up" to fill out the story?

If the Zionists were really had the kind of power and influence you suggest, why the debacle over Jerusalem? They would have simply insisted that it be part of Israel, instead of sharing it.

Reading through this thread is kind of a joy.  Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

But it isn't astonishing that people who believe that the earth is flat are quick in trying to rewrite history...

However, you're right. People often think that it's all over, but things like that can happen everywhere and anytime (e.g. what the Americans did to the Indians) - so we shouldn't forget and keep our eyes open. The Holocaust didn't show us anything about the Germans, Hitler or whoever, but about the whole humanity.

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Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

But it isn't astonishing that people who believe that the earth is flat are quick in trying to rewrite history...

However, you're right. People often think that it's all over, but things like that can happen everywhere and anytime (e.g. what the Americans did to the Indians) - so we shouldn't forget and keep our eyes open. The Holocaust didn't show us anything about the Germans, Hitler or whoever, but about the whole humanity.

It's in our nature. Why fight nature?

Because we don't only consist of drives, but also reason. We have an autonomous will and are therefore responsible for what we do.

If we want a society to work it's our duty to do what's 'right'.

Because we don't only consist of drives, but also reason. We have an autonomous will and are therefore responsible for what we do.

If we want a society to work it's our duty to do what's 'right'.

Though I usually don't agree with you, I can't argue against this one...
I've heard it said that man (ok, and woman) is the only animal that would stumble over the same stone twice. History seems to support this claim.

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Probably Albert Einstein would move back to Germany today...

Why? He belongs in Israel..

How would he belong in Israel?  He came from a Jewish family, but he certainly was not Jewish.

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Probably Albert Einstein would move back to Germany today...

Why? He belongs in Israel..

How would he belong in Israel?  He came from a Jewish family, but he certainly was not Jewish.

There is such a thing as an ethnic Jew.

So? I'm ethnically Jewish, do I 'belong' in Israel?

So? I'm ethnically Jewish, do I 'belong' in Israel?

That's for a different topic. I shouldn't have mentioned it. Sorry.

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Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

But it isn't astonishing that people who believe that the earth is flat are quick in trying to rewrite history...

FET is irrelevant to this discussion, quit trying to be cute.

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Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

But it isn't astonishing that people who believe that the earth is flat are quick in trying to rewrite history...

FET is irrelevant to this discussion, quit trying to be cute.

He still owned all of you though.

Social Darwinism is a scary societal mutation of Darwinism.
Symptoms include extreme racial, religious, ethnic, political, and other forms of intolerance on a sociological scale. May result in oppression, genocide, slavery. and war.
Take two tablets of free-speech and open education and rest.





Jews lying about the holocaust?  Occam's razor fellas. The detractor's explanations as to what actually happened in their opinion always have way too many variables. Whereas the witnesses' accounts and stories do not, and generally are extremely similar and verifiable from other accounts and undestroyed Nazi documentation.

Simpler > More complicated

Red Skull, would it not be more useful to apply your skepticism to something potentially more fruitful?

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Not because some people are so quick to try to rewrite history, but because so many are quick to speak out against it, that people realize how important it is to remember and to fight back when it happens again.

But it isn't astonishing that people who believe that the earth is flat are quick in trying to rewrite history...

FET is irrelevant to this discussion, quit trying to be cute.

But I am cute. I can't do anything about that.

Jews lying about the holocaust?  Occam's razor fellas.

Truth is the first casualty of war:  Occam's razor says 6 million is a lie.  If you believe the 6 million figure, you're naive.

Of course they tell lies.  Of course they shift the blame for Churchill's and Stalin's anti-semitism onto Hitler.

It's known as Victor's Justice.

Red Skull, would it not be more useful to apply your skepticism to something potentially more fruitful?

No. I like to provoke people.

It's known as Victor's Justice.

Quoted for truth.