Phew Based Math of "Curvature"

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2017, 07:19:10 AM »
The sun's light CAN reach 12 hours distance, or half of earth circumference i.e. from east to west.

IMPOSSIBLE for globe model.
The sun's light always reaches slightly more than half the earth....        Why slightly more?   1:  The sun is much bigger than the earth,  and 2:  the earth's atmosphere refracts some light around the edges.
The illuminated portion grows slightly towards our perihelion (currently early January)  and reduces towards the aphelion (currently early July).
This all happens because the earth is a sphere.
The more light coverage at perihelion and less light coverage at aphelion is one of the proofs that the sun is much bigger than the earth. If it were smaller then the opposite would happen.

If you are at high altitude, the sky looks like a night all the time.

How do you reconciliate this reality?
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2017, 07:33:25 AM »
The sun's light CAN reach 12 hours distance, or half of earth circumference i.e. from east to west.

IMPOSSIBLE for globe model.
The sun's light always reaches slightly more than half the earth....        Why slightly more?   1:  The sun is much bigger than the earth,  and 2:  the earth's atmosphere refracts some light around the edges.
The illuminated portion grows slightly towards our perihelion (currently early January)  and reduces towards the aphelion (currently early July).
This all happens because the earth is a sphere.
The more light coverage at perihelion and less light coverage at aphelion is one of the proofs that the sun is much bigger than the earth. If it were smaller then the opposite would happen.

If you are at high altitude, the sky looks like a night all the time.

How do you reconciliate this reality?
The color of the sky comes from Rayleigh scattering from the atmosphere.  The air is thinner the higher you go so less scattering so less color.
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/sky.htm
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/
http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html
This is something people learn in grade school, so what's your excuse?

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2017, 12:25:02 PM »
Curvature??
Look at the sun in the morning before bright enough.
Well this topic is meant to be curvature, not the sun.

I take it you have realised you have failed and are now trying to change the subject?

Why there are TWO type of sights at the same time: Bright AND Dark.
Care to provide an example?

Bright indicates its altitude is higher than the sun.
Dark (underneath cloud) indicates its altitude is lower than the sun.
The sun lies between both layers.
Or dark indicates that it is off to the side, with some of the protrusions from below creating a shadow.
In some cases a mountain's shadow being cast up indicates the sun is below the height of the mountain.

But notice how this is only in the morning.

At mid day, the sun is always higher than the clouds.

This again would indicate Earth is round.

The sun's light CAN reach 12 hours distance, or half of earth circumference i.e. from east to west.
No, it sometimes reaches more and sometimes reaches less.
At the Arctic or Antarctic circles in winter, it doesn't reach anywhere.
On the equator it is always slightly more than 12 hours.
In the summer it is significantly more than 12 hours.
In the winter it is significantly less.

Also, why would it magically stretch 12 hours?

IMPOSSIBLE for globe model.
No, these are facts which are impossible on a FE model.
It requires the sun to illuminate some regions which are  more distant than regions which are near.

A good example of why is the equinox which gives roughly 12 hours of light to all places on Earth, i.e. the sun would illuminate half of Earth.
In your model or the common FE model, this results in the region of Earth illuminated by the sun being a semi-circle.
If the sun really just illuminated a limited distance the region illuminated would be a circle.

This makes it impossible.
Meanwhile, this is exactly what you would expect for the globe model.

Notice the difference between your claim and mine?
I explained clearly why it doesn't work for the FE; you just asserted it is impossible on a globe with no justification at all.

If you are at high altitude, the sky looks like a night all the time.
How do you reconciliate this reality?
I notice how you change topic yet again, further showing you have no confidence in your position or know it is wrong.

Yes, a very high altitude.
Understanding this comes with understanding what makes the sky appear the way it does during the day.

The blue colouration of the sky is due to scattering of light in the atmosphere.
As you ascend to a higher altitude, the atmosphere gets thinner and the atmosphere above you decreases.
This means there is less light to scatter and end up hitting your eyes which makes the effect less pronounced.
Eventually when you get high enough the effect is not significant enough and the sky appears the same during the day and night with the exception of a bright, nearby star called the sun.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2017, 03:26:59 PM »
I repeat:

If the world was round, the sunlight  could not reach the other side of the supposedly globe. The "curvature" would block the sun's light.

Sun in the morning, at the moment of "sunrives" (sun arrives), it should have given bright at underneath the clouds.
But the clouds keep dark underneath till the sun become very bright.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2017, 03:31:08 PM »
Explanation based on text books is not necessarily identical with reality.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2017, 04:07:11 PM »
I repeat:

If the world was round, the sun could not reach the other side of the supposedly globe. The "curvature" would block the sun's light.

Sun in the morning, at the moment of "sunrives" (sun arrives), it should have given bright at underneath the clouds.
But the clouds keep dark underneath till the sun become very bright.
Not from what I've seen.  I've seen many times clouds lit from underneath at sunrise or sunset while the sun is over the horizon and not "very bright".

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2017, 04:08:44 PM »
Explanation based on text books is not necessarily identical with reality.
Then prove it. 

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2017, 04:42:14 PM »
The entire of my posts are about debanking so many RET which seems okay at a glance, but problematic when put under a test scanning.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2017, 10:36:40 PM »
I repeat:

If the world was round, the sunlight  could not reach the other side of the supposedly globe. The "curvature" would block the sun's light.
So?
That is why roughly half of Earth experiences night while the other roughly half experience day.

Sun in the morning, at the moment of "sunrives" (sun arrives), it should have given bright at underneath the clouds.
But the clouds keep dark underneath till the sun become very bright.
We already showed you this was BS.
Remember this:

You have the clouds illuminated from below, but off in the distance such that they can shade the clouds behind them. You have the mountain casting a shadow on the clouds.

The entire of my posts are about debanking so many RET which seems okay at a glance, but problematic when put under a test scanning.
And you are yet to debunk a thing.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2017, 04:09:56 AM »
Use your value to design a precision watch movement and see how it works out for you.  Here's a hint...it won't.  A movement designed using your values won't keep accurate time. 

Low and Behold, if you use the mathematically determined value for pi, that will meet the requirements to be a certified chronometer.  That should tell you a lot about how wrong you are.  Or, are you just going to ignore the real world uses.

Mike
Since it costs 2.72¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 5.44¢.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2017, 02:18:34 PM »
Use your value to design a precision watch movement and see how it works out for you.  Here's a hint...it won't.  A movement designed using your values won't keep accurate time. 

Low and Behold, if you use the mathematically determined value for pi, that will meet the requirements to be a certified chronometer.  That should tell you a lot about how wrong you are.  Or, are you just going to ignore the real world uses.

Mike

Please repeat with clearer sentences, for I am not a watch pratitioner.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2017, 02:20:05 PM »
Jack was using CGI.  8)
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2017, 02:21:13 PM »
As an added bonus, here is a comparison between reality, and you:
dh actYour bsdiff
10.07828401579446096785031977986467850319779863.9
51.957100860030762714012791194.562714012791192.6
107.82840943626795678503197798.64678503197790.812
50195.71503357994827140127911.945627140127716.2306
100782.9201111365356785031977.98646785031195.06629
50019621.1029091228271401279.119456271381658.016547
100079091.656636637167850319.77986467771228.1232274
2000326460.78142920516962579.94496616636119.1635368
50002622564.883521412714012.7911945691447.907673155
100001242045278.28033678503.19779864-1241366775.08253

The only time the match is when d=5036.735786

Wt...
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2017, 05:28:49 PM »
Jack was using CGI.  8)
And how typical. When provided with evidence which shows your claims to be crap, you dismiss it as CGI.

How about you provide some evidence backing up your claims?

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2017, 09:15:24 AM »
Use your value to design a precision watch movement and see how it works out for you.  Here's a hint...it won't.  A movement designed using your values won't keep accurate time. 

Low and Behold, if you use the mathematically determined value for pi, that will meet the requirements to be a certified chronometer.  That should tell you a lot about how wrong you are.  Or, are you just going to ignore the real world uses.

Mike

Please repeat with clearer sentences, for I am not a watch pratitioner.
The ratio between the circumference of the gears needs to be exact.  If you use your incorrect value for pi you would not get the correct size relationships and the movement will not keep precise time.  It's one a many real world examples where using your value would provide incorrect results.

I'm a mechanical engineer and use pi in many calculations.  If I were to use your incorrect value I would get incorrect results.  e.g.  I have calculated the section modulus of a pipe, which uses pi, to predict a relationship between a cyclic load and the number of predicted cycles to failure.  When we ran the test on our specimen the cycles to failure were with 1% of the predicted value.  If I were to have used you incorrect value I would have been much further off of the actual value.

The watch movement and the cyclic fatigue test are two examples that prove your approach is invalid and leads to an incorrect value for pi.

Mike
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2017, 12:05:37 PM »
When we ran the test on our specimen the cycles to failure were with 1% of the predicted value.  If I were to have used you incorrect value I would have been much further off of the actual value.
This is one part where he might be able to get you.
Would a smaller or larger value replacing pi make your error 0?

His value is roughly 1% off the real value of pi.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2017, 06:39:21 PM »
Happy joking guys.. Thanx  8)
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2017, 11:44:03 PM »
There is no tilt in objects seen in telescope.

And

What make distortions of sight in telescope, at least:
1. Air humidity.
2. Ascending earth.
3. Jack.
4. Rabinoz.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2017, 12:05:05 AM »
There is no tilt in objects seen in telescope.
What tilt are you looking for?

What make distortions of sight in telescope, at least:
1. Air humidity.
2. Ascending earth.
3. Jack.
4. Rabinoz.
Nope:
1 - Air
2 - Diffraction.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2017, 12:22:29 AM »
The objects stay vertical, 90°, no inclination.

Case closed.
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2017, 12:46:55 AM »
International Watch is modified regularly due to PI inaccuracy.

PHEW's 3.1716 shall replace PI.

Try this at home..
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2017, 01:57:34 AM »
The objects stay vertical, 90°, no inclination.

Case closed.
What objects?

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2017, 01:59:40 AM »
When we ran the test on our specimen the cycles to failure were with 1% of the predicted value.  If I were to have used you incorrect value I would have been much further off of the actual value.
This is one part where he might be able to get you.
Would a smaller or larger value replacing pi make your error 0?

His value is roughly 1% off the real value of pi.
There are several cross-sectional properties using pi.  Area, moment of inertia, torsional constant, and section modulus.  In an FEA where you calculating stresses and strains from the pipe inner diameter (ID) to the outer diameter (OD) to predict fatigue life that 1% difference will compound. 

Then take into account a pipe elbow/bend with in plane and out of plane bending moments (the actual subject of my original analysis)...I'd be surprised if you could get within 10% of the final answer.

Further in a Class I through the wall thermal fatigue analysis that 1% difference will compound as you calculate the temperature profile and the resulting stresses across the cross-section from the ID to the OD of the pipe.

Mike
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2017, 02:05:14 AM »
When we ran the test on our specimen the cycles to failure were with 1% of the predicted value.  If I were to have used you incorrect value I would have been much further off of the actual value.
This is one part where he might be able to get you.
Would a smaller or larger value replacing pi make your error 0?

His value is roughly 1% off the real value of pi.
There are several cross-sectional properties using pi.  Area, moment of inertia, torsional constant, and section modulus.  In an FEA where you calculating stresses and strains from the pipe inner diameter (ID) to the outer diameter (OD) to predict fatigue life that 1% difference will compound. 

Then take into account a pipe elbow/bend with in plane and out of plane bending moments (the actual subject of my original analysis)...I'd be surprised if you could get within 10% of the final answer.

Further in a Class I through the wall thermal fatigue analysis that 1% difference will compound as you calculate the temperature profile and the resulting stresses across the cross-section from the ID to the OD of the pipe.

Mike
Thanks. That explains it a lot better.

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2017, 02:08:17 AM »
International Watch is modified regularly due to PI inaccuracy.

PHEW's 3.1716 shall replace PI.

Try this at home..
This comment doesn't make any sense what so ever.  What the hell is International Watch?  Are you talking about the International Watch Company (IWC)?  What exactly are you saying is being modified?  Show me a source for what you're trying to say.  Your comment is complete nonsense.

Nothing is modified.  The Controle Officiel Suisse des Chronometres (CSOC) standards require a quartz watch to be accurate to an average daily rate of ±0.07 seconds.  It has to maintain that accuracy for the life of the watch.  That would be impossible with your value of pi.

So no, phew will never replace pi. 

Mike
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2017, 02:46:21 PM »
And... "Dark Side of the Clouds" means the Sun always lies ABOVE the clouds.



Case closed  8)
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2017, 03:03:23 PM »
Tides factor in lands may be considered as well.

Under the ground of the sun n moon projections, there are "wandering bodies" ("ball"?)  which follows both sun n moon.

This phenomenon causes lift of the lands under the sun n moon.

(Earth quake may be occur if the variables are sufficient enough).
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2017, 03:08:40 PM »
And... "Dark Side of the Clouds" means the Sun always lies ABOVE the clouds.



Case closed  8)
Notice how the sun is already above the horizon.
Why not start the video earlier?
Is it because they know it will show them to be full of shit?
With this the sun is coming in more from the side, as such only the front of it will be illuminated.

But then when they switch to footage with the sun quite low so it is only just starting to pop above the horizon, you see the leading edges of some clouds being illuminated, as if the sun is at the level of the cloud or just below.

Then when the sun drops further, the bottom of the clouds are lit up.
So this shows you are completely wrong.

Now how about you address the simple image we have provided?

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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2017, 12:43:52 AM »
Wake up Jack
Wake up Mike
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Re: Phew Based Math of "Curvature"
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2017, 12:46:35 AM »
If you know that inaccuracy rate = 1%, why not fixing it right away ???
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