Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?

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JackBlack

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2017, 01:47:25 PM »
Now how about you address the OP and provide some math for a FE?

Read the FAQ
So that's a no. You have no math for FE, likely because you know it shows a FE to be garbage.

Here is an example of math for a FE, using the common FE map: Note: 0 degrees is an example, due to rotational symmetry the same is true for any longitude.
On the equinox, at roughly 6 am (solar time) for people at 0 degrees, east/west, the sun is directly overhead the equator at 90 degrees east.
This would mean the apparent direction to the sun (ignoring elevation) would be NE (i.e. a bearing of 45 degrees) for a person on the equator at 0 degrees east/west.
As you move further north, it would drift towards the east, only reaching ~due east just before the north pole.
As you move further south, the sun would drift further north.
For a given distance d away from the north pole (along 0 degrees east) the sun would appear at a bearing given by:
tan(a)=10000 km/d

So at the southern tip of Chile, some 16 000 km away from the north pole, it should be tan(a)=10/16, and thus a=32 degrees. So it should be north of north east.

Instead, the sun appears roughly due east.

We can also do this the other way to determine how far away the sun is from the north pole (x). Assuming a 1 degree error (to be nice, and meaning we get an underestimate) the sun is off at a bearing of 89 degrees.
Thus, tan(89 deg)=x/16000
Thus x~=915 000 km.
This puts it well outside the range of a FE.

This simple math shows the common FE model to be impossible.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 11:44:04 PM by JackBlack »

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2017, 01:50:27 PM »
On the equinox, at roughly 6 am (solar time) for people at 0 degrees, east/west, the sun is directly overhead the equator at 90 degrees east.

As they drown in the south Atlantic ocean. Please, you can't even get a sentence in without having HUGE flaws in your reasoning.

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JackBlack

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2017, 01:51:46 PM »
On the equinox, at roughly 6 am (solar time) for people at 0 degrees, east/west, the sun is directly overhead the equator at 90 degrees east.

As they drown in the south Atlantic ocean. Please, you can't even get a sentence in without having HUGE flaws in your reasoning.
Why would they be drowning?
I see you are projecting again.
Perhaps you can try and address the issue raised?

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2017, 01:53:11 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?

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JackBlack

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2017, 02:00:48 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Ever heard of a boat.
Regardless, the same applies at any longitude due to rotational symmetry.
The angle to the sun on the equinox shows the sun must be very distant, much further away than the size of Earth.

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2017, 02:04:02 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Ever heard of a boat.

If you meant to say a boat, then just say a boat. But you never mentioned a boat - leaving everyone here to assume you were talking about sea people.

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JackBlack

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2017, 02:07:19 PM »
If you meant to say a boat, then just say a boat. But you never mentioned a boat - leaving everyone here to assume you were talking about sea people.
Or that I was discussing the general case by using a specific longitude as an example.

Now then, care to explain why this math shows the sun to be so far away from Earth?

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2017, 02:25:08 PM »

Or that I was discussing the general case by using a specific longitude as an example.

Now then, care to explain why this math shows the sun to be so far away from Earth?

Read the FAQ

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2017, 03:07:00 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Holy shit, the People of Equador, Columbia, Brazil, Gabon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Indonesia, and numerous other islands are all under the Atlantic ocean?  WTF are you smoking

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2017, 03:08:02 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Holy shit, the People of Equador, Columbia, Brazil, Gabon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Indonesia, and numerous other islands are all under the Atlantic ocean?  WTF are you smoking

They are at 0 degrees longitude?

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2017, 03:12:34 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Holy shit, the People of Equador, Columbia, Brazil, Gabon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Indonesia, and numerous other islands are all under the Atlantic ocean?  WTF are you smoking

They are at 0 degrees longitude?
That is not what you said.  Longitude was not mentioned by you.

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2017, 03:14:12 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?

Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Holy shit, the People of Equador, Columbia, Brazil, Gabon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Indonesia, and numerous other islands are all under the Atlantic ocean?  WTF are you smoking

They are at 0 degrees longitude?
That is not what you said.  Longitude was not mentioned by you.

Reread the thread. In fact, go read the FAQ while you're at it.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #132 on: December 20, 2017, 03:19:07 PM »
No I read the thread, he was choosing a set longitude, yet you felt you could make him look dumb by bringing that up, but you were too stupid to include longitude in your response.  So I just returned the favor to show how moronic you really are.  If you cannot argue against the points made, and insist on going for the immediate insults, then maybe you should rethink your life and stop wasting oxygen.

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #133 on: December 20, 2017, 03:22:47 PM »
No I read the thread, he was choosing a set longitude, yet you felt you could make him look dumb by bringing that up, but you were too stupid to include longitude in your response.  So I just returned the favor to show how moronic you really are.  If you cannot argue against the points made, and insist on going for the immediate insults, then maybe you should rethink your life and stop wasting oxygen.

This is your final warning - do not disrespect the moderators of these forums. Thank you.

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JackBlack

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #134 on: December 20, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »
Or that I was discussing the general case by using a specific longitude as an example.
Now then, care to explain why this math shows the sun to be so far away from Earth?
Read the FAQ
So no answer.
I take it that means you admit FE is fundamentally flawed.
If you don't, then explain how this simple math shows the sun to be so far from Earth.


This is your final warning - do not disrespect the moderators of these forums. Thank you.
There is no evidence you are a mod, and he is giving you far more respect than you deserve.

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rabinoz

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #135 on: December 20, 2017, 08:21:11 PM »
0deg at the equator is in the Atlantic ocean. What people are you talking about?
Is RET about to suggest a race of sea people?
Dimwit! Quito is almost at 0o, 0.1807o S to be a bit more precise.

As JackBlack  said, "This simple math shows the common FE model to be impossible."

Have you finally worked it out?

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rabinoz

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #136 on: December 20, 2017, 08:23:38 PM »
This is your final warning - do not disrespect the moderators of these forums. Thank you.
If you want respect, you'll have to earn it and trying to mislead everybody certainly does not do that..
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Mr Narcberry you'd better contact John Davis, he must have forgotten to note that you were a moderator.

Of course you wouldn't have been trying to pull the wool over our eyes, would you? Not you!
I never did believe a word you said,  now I know for sure that you try to deceive us.

Bye bye, spinner of fairy-tales an other tall stories.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 08:40:10 PM by rabinoz »

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2017, 08:00:07 AM »
I'm an emeritus moderator

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rabinoz

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2017, 01:22:54 PM »
I'm an emeritus moderator
In other words, a moderator who was expelled for malpractice - sounds possible.
I suspect that malpractice was simply that Mr Narcberry and facts don't even have a nodding relationship.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2017, 08:35:18 PM »
No I read the thread, he was choosing a set longitude, yet you felt you could make him look dumb by bringing that up, but you were too stupid to include longitude in your response.  So I just returned the favor to show how moronic you really are.  If you cannot argue against the points made, and insist on going for the immediate insults, then maybe you should rethink your life and stop wasting oxygen.

This is your final warning - do not disrespect the moderators of these forums. Thank you.
Too funny junior.  Prove your awesome power sir.  Oh wait, nvm, you are just special.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2017, 08:40:03 PM »
I'm an emeritus moderator
In other words, a moderator who was expelled for malpractice - sounds possible.
I suspect that malpractice was simply that Mr Narcberry and facts don't even have a nodding relationship.
Rab, you remember those little guys in the school yard who would tell how their dad could beat up your dad, or made up stories of how special they were?  You know, the ones who had a low self esteem problems, perhaps penis envy or possibly mental abuse at home.  I still feel sorry for those little guys.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2017, 08:41:26 PM »
Is that enough disrespect little guy... uhh I mean Mr. big important moderator? 

Again, stop waiting my oxygen.

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rabinoz

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #142 on: December 21, 2017, 10:01:26 PM »
I'm an emeritus moderator
In other words, a moderator who was expelled for malpractice - sounds possible.
I suspect that malpractice was simply that Mr Narcberry and facts don't even have a nodding relationship.
Rab, you remember those little guys in the school yard who would tell how their dad could beat up your dad, or made up stories of how special they were?  You know, the ones who had a low self esteem problems, perhaps penis envy or possibly mental abuse at home.  I still feel sorry for those little guys.
Yes, the "desire to be unique is important for these little guys with low self esteem problems".
It often shows itself in the belief in one or more irrational conspiracies and there's no denying that the flat earth belief is totally dependent on a Global conspiracy.  Here's a recent paper on this topic,
Studies find the need to feel unique is linked to belief in conspiracy theories, ERIC W. DOLAN, August 8, 2017.

But, please don't discourage, narcberry, he's the Globe's 2nd best friend. I just can't work out whether he's a very smart "undercover agent" or a deluded flat earther.

You can work out which "brother" is the Globe's best friend, though there's no doubt that he's just a member of the "Brotherhood of the Deluded".

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #143 on: December 22, 2017, 07:45:04 AM »
stop waiting my oxygen.

I don't even understand what you guys are trying to say

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Nightsky

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #144 on: December 22, 2017, 09:34:25 AM »
I'm an emeritus moderator

Who again has lost his full stop, or do you have more to add?
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #145 on: December 22, 2017, 09:37:12 AM »
I'm an emeritus moderator

Who again has lost his full stop, or do you have more to add?

Nightsky, this is your final warning. Do not insult the moderators of these forums.

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Nightsky

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2017, 09:38:26 AM »
I'm an emeritus moderator

Who again has lost his full stop, or do you have more to add?

Nightsky, this is your final warning. Do not insult the moderators of these forums.
Did you or did you not loose your full stop? Let’s stick to the facts.
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2017, 09:39:30 AM »
Did you or did you not loose your full stop?
What are you trying to say here? This is complete nonsense.
"You are a very reasonable man John." - D1

"The lunatic, the lover, and the poet. Are of imagination all compact" - The Bard

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Nightsky

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #148 on: December 22, 2017, 09:42:29 AM »
Did you or did you not loose your full stop?
What are you trying to say here? This is complete nonsense.

It’s about punctuation John, not sure you would understand.  Case of the missing full stop

See what I mean
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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narcberry

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Re: Why Mathmatics so Uncommon in FE Theory?
« Reply #149 on: December 22, 2017, 10:00:19 AM »
Did you or did you not loose your full stop?
What are you trying to say here? This is complete nonsense.

It’s about punctuation John, not sure you would understand.  Case of the missing full stop

See what I mean

Please don't spam the boards with your inane ramblings