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We have finished the North of Canada. Remained places have insufficient connections to the others. So that we will add remained North Canada by estimation when the Russian side has finished.

Quote from: dumbass on January 27, 2018, 01:58:43 AM

I am following this project with great interest.
I do however have some questions.
You have explained the different distances between Google and self calculated between 2 chinese cities and 2 Russian cities. They both have almost same flight time although one distance is half the others.
Surely you cannot apply the same flight conditions to 2 different flights? Should one not calculate the averages for each flight separately?
Here are some factors as I see it:
The time for takeoff to cruising speed will be the same for all flights.
The time from slowing down to landing will be the same for all flights.
That will mean that the longer the flight the longer the plane can fly at its average speed and therefor the calculation would show a higher average than on a shorter flight where the plane flies for a shorter time at its average speed. the times of take off and landing on a 10000km flight will have a tiny impact on the average speed compared to that on a 500km flight?

The flights have same average distances are compared the flights have same average distances. The chart in first page is created for this aim. Please follow more carefully. The average speed for per aircraft are calculated for per distance. Thanks for your interest.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on December 12, 2017, 02:43:54 AM

Working will be continued in monday.

ok I dont quite get it but never mind Im sure I will later on.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on January 27, 2018, 10:55:50 AM

Quote from: dumbass on January 27, 2018, 01:58:43 AM

I am following this project with great interest.
I do however have some questions.
You have explained the different distances between Google and self calculated between 2 chinese cities and 2 Russian cities. They both have almost same flight time although one distance is half the others.
Surely you cannot apply the same flight conditions to 2 different flights? Should one not calculate the averages for each flight separately?
Here are some factors as I see it:
The time for takeoff to cruising speed will be the same for all flights.
The time from slowing down to landing will be the same for all flights.
That will mean that the longer the flight the longer the plane can fly at its average speed and therefor the calculation would show a higher average than on a shorter flight where the plane flies for a shorter time at its average speed. the times of take off and landing on a 10000km flight will have a tiny impact on the average speed compared to that on a 500km flight?

The flights have same average distances are compared the flights have same average distances. The chart in first page is created for this aim. Please follow more carefully. The average speed for per aircraft are calculated for per distance. Thanks for your interest.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on December 12, 2017, 02:43:54 AM

Working will be continued in monday.

ok I dont quite get it but never mind Im sure I will later on.

Hope you will.

Astana

Astana   Istanbul 3.428 3.723 3,5% > 3.592 corrected as 2.848
A320 4:18 852
B738 4:25 856
Astana   Moscow 2.296 2.642 3,5% > 2.549
A320 2:58 832
B738 3:22 836
Astana   London 4.802 5000 3,5% > 4.825
B752 5:46 867
Astana   Beijing 3.656 4.069 3,5% > 3.926
A320 4:55 852
A320 4:38 852
Astana   Delhi 2.5453236 3,5% > 3.122
A320 3:52 837



New Delhi moved through Astana 1.200kms and Astana is added on the intersection points of other cities. Distance with Istanbul is corrected. Distance between New Delhi to Singapore and Addis Ababa will be checked later.

Yekaterinburg

Yekaterinburg   Moscow  1.437 1.690 3,5% 1.630
B738 2:04 794
A320 2:12 790

Yekaterinburg   Istanbul 2.884 3.330 3,5% 3213 corrected as 2.639
A320 3:57 843

Yekaterinburg   Astana 945 1.303 3,5% 1.257
E190 1:41 774

Yekaterinburg   Beijing 4.369 4.317 3,5% 4.165 corrected as 3.637
A320 5:04 852

Yekaterinburg   Tel Aviv 3.397 3.820 3,5% 3686 corrected as 3.414
A319 4:29 852

Yekaterinburg is added, in the aim of revealing the North of Russia.

Novosibirsk

Novosibirsk   Astana 869  (639 or 1.290)  corrected as 724
E190 0:53 750 663
A320 1:47 750 1.338 (inconsistent flight times)

Novosibirsk   Yekaterinburg 1.372 1.543 3,5% 1.488 corrected as 1.114
A320 1:56 784
E190 2:02 788
B738 1:55 788

Novosibirsk   Moscow 2.804 2.827 3,5% 2.727
B738 3:41 748
A320 3:54 743

Novosibirsk   Beijing 2.998 3.310 3,5% 3.193
A320 3:55 845

Novosibirsk   Hong Kong 4.469 5.256 3,5% 5.072
B738 6:08 857

Distances to Astana and Yekaterinburg are corrected and Novvosibirsk is added in the intersection point of whole cities.

Harbin (China)

Harbin   Beijing 1.000 1.113 3,5% 1074
B738 1:31 778
A320 1:21 774

Harbin   Tokyo 1.617 2.211 3,5% 2.133
A321 2:44 809

Harbin   Singapore 5.387 6.000 3,5% 5.790
B788 6:40 900

Harbin   Novosibirsk 3.210 3.053 3,5% 2.946
A319 3:35 852

Harbin   Yekaterinburg 4.541 3.763 3,5% 3.631 corrected as 3.267
A320 4:25 852



Novosibirsk is moved through Harbin 200kms and Harbin is added as a perfect point overlaps with whole cities.

Yakutsk

Yakutsk for attacking the center from Russian side. 

Yakutsk   Harbin 1.846 1.882
Type unknown 2:20 836

Yakutsk   Novosibirsk 2.778 2.727
B738 3:20 848

Yakutsk   Moscow 4.876 changed to 2.668
B738 6:39 857



We have insufficient datas and they show us a close point to the N point.

For be more sure, we should test it. Can it be close to the N like that or not?

I'm comparing its weather conditions with other 3 cities:

Today Moscow is: -6 degrees centigrad.
Today Novosibirsk is: -14 degrees centigrad.
Today Harbin, China: -22 degrees centigrad.
Today Yakutsk is: -42 degrees centigrad.

So perhaps, that point is possible. I'm accepting that point as Yakutsk. It is not a reliable point but fair enough.

Moscow to Yakutsk distance is changed.

Yakutsk is added as a fair point. It is the nearest city ever we examined. This situation explains why is it cold like that. because it is the nearest city and one of the nearest point to the N.



I added Yakutsk with nomercy. 





Do you still think N point is somewhere near North Canada or just 1.000kms from capital of Yakutsk?

udachny for disprove the google map

udachny in the google map is in the North of the Yakutsk.

But we know that Yakutsk is very cold as -42. Today Udachny is just -34 degrees centigrad. So as a mentality, Yakutsk may be in the north related to Udachny. But google says opposite:



Ok.

udachny

I'll use google map values for this city.

Udachny   Yakutsk 968 corrected as same!
Udachny   Harbin 2.441 corrected as same!
Udachny   Yekaterinburg 2.832 corrected as 1.338 (No flight. Just google's wrong estimation)
Udachny   Novosibirsk 2004 corrected as same!
Udachny   Astana 2818 corrected as same!



Corrected. Yahutsk is a bit more North than Udachny. This is the reason of why Yakutsk is -42 degrees and Udachny just -34 degrees centigrad.



Google is still deceiving us!

Anyway.

Udachny is added in the aim of attack the center from Russian side. But it is not more north than Yakutsk. Yakutsk still is the leader of nearest city to the center.

Checking mat! 

In our map; distances to the North point and relationship with weather forecast now:

Yakutsk   991kms    -42 (nearest, coldest) CORRECTED!
Udachny   1157kms   -36
Baker Lake1535kms   -27
Yellowknife1843kms   -31
Iqaluit   1925kms    -28



Do you see the connection?

Ok. Lets try to google distances:

Distances from lowest to the highest relationship with temperatures, according to google:

Udachny   2621   -36 (nearest but not coldest)
Baker Lake2855   -27
Iqaluit   2920   -28
Yellowknife3062   -31
Yakutsk   3110   -42 (furthest to the ice center, but coldest) DISPROVEN!!

Do you see the connection now? No. This time, there is no connection.

It is proven that according to google, there is no connection between distance to the North and weather forecast. But I prove there is exist a relationship between them according to our map!

So;

When till the time you think to let google to deceive you?

Game over for ball/hoax!

I want to give a bit time to google for correct that shit! This is their own shit! They must clear it by themselves! We'll continue do this but they must correct that mistake.

I'm inviting the google to correct that mistake. Accept the earth's shape is wrong and this is the fact!

I'm inviting the google to:

Give up the evilness!!


You can't do anymore evilness, little aquma!

Vladivostok

Vladivostok   Yakutsk 2.087 2362
2:57 B738 830
Vladivostok   Novosibirsk 3.734 4412 corrected as 3.445
5:22 A320 852
Vladivostok   Moscow 6.412 6767 corrected as 4.826
A333 8:07 864
Vladivostok   Beijing 1.343 1248
1:39 A320 784
Vladivostok   Tokyo 1.104 1331
1:47 A320 774
Vladivostok   Hong Kong 2.887 3376 corrected as 2.828
3:58 B744 882
Vladivostok   Harbin 530 547
A320 0:51 667

Tokyo and Beijing together moved through Delhi 300kms. A perfect intersection occurred with whole cities as the following shape:





Vladivostok is added as a reliable point.

The color of Yakutsk is changed as green in the aim of shows it the nearest city to the N point, until it stays that position. In other say, this green shows "the king city" of the earth. 

There is two greens in the map: Toronto is most accurate place and Yakutsk is the nearest city to the N.

Goddammit, man! What happened to Istanbul as the center of everything! You better put it back there or else!

Khabarovsk

Khabarovsk   Vladivostok 617  corrected as 667
A319 0:54 690
A320 1:02 690
Khabarovsk   Yakutsk 1.546 1.662
2:10 B738  795
Khabarovsk   Harbin 750 788
A319 1:06 743
Khabarovsk   Tokyo 1.483 corrected as 1.813
2:20 A320 784
Khabarovsk   Novosibirsk 3.600 3.507
A319 4:16  852
Khabarovsk   Yekaterinburg 4.852 corrected as 3.547
5:40 A320 852
Khabarovsk   Moscow 6.143 corrected as 4.322
7:22 B77w 888

Beijing, Vladivostok and Tokyo moved 200 kms through Khabarovsk and Khabarovsk is added.

Very interesting approach in creating an accurate map. I'm impressed!!!

May I suggest also using Marine Traffic Data (http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:49.0/centery:-40.0/zoom:4) this can be used for the small islands in the Pacific Ocean (Cargo Vessels, Tankers and Passenger Vessels). Their are not fixed to travel on a "highway" nor are they told which route to travel, but go from point A to point B in a straight line. I have this app on my phone and I can see the speed of the ship when it travels and the time it leaves and arrives at a port.

Just a thought, I hope that this can help you for the outer rings of the map. Side note, it would be great if a coder can place the live flight paths of the airplanes on a flat earth map, so we can view their true path.

Very interesting approach in creating an accurate map. I'm impressed!!!

May I suggest also using Marine Traffic Data (http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:49.0/centery:-40.0/zoom:4) this can be used for the small islands in the Pacific Ocean (Cargo Vessels, Tankers and Passenger Vessels). Their are not fixed to travel on a "highway" nor are they told which route to travel, but go from point A to point B in a straight line. I have this app on my phone and I can see the speed of the ship when it travels and the time it leaves and arrives at a port.

Just a thought, I hope that this can help you for the outer rings of the map. Side note, it would be great if a coder can place the live flight paths of the airplanes on a flat earth map, so we can view their true path.

It can be considered later. If you want to make a contribution with a working about it, so I glad.

Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk

Sakhalinsk   Khabarovsk 593 629
A319 0:57 686
Sakhalinsk   Tokyo 1.254 1.248
1:39 SU9 (A319) 784
Sakhalinsk   Vladivostok 915 978 corrected as 787
A319 1:15 760
A320 1:25 760
Sakhalinsk   Novosibirsk 4.173 4.383 corrected as 4.055
B738 5:18 857
Sakhalinsk   Moscow 6.649 6.827 corrected as 4.880
B77w 7:57 890

Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is added without living a problem.

Magadan-Sokol

Magadan   Yakutsk 1.150 1.120
1:30 Su9 (A319) 774
Magadan   Khabarovsk 1.615 1.496 corrected as 887
1:55 A319 809
Magadan   Vladivostok 2.262 corrected as 1.550
Magadan   Novosibirsk 3.928 3.992 corrected as 3.538
B738 4:50 856
Magadan   Moscow 5.865 corrected as 3.766

Magadan-Sokol is added.



Anadyr as the furthest point os Asia has an airport:

There is only 3 route you can go from Anadyr:

Anadyr   Magadan 1.483 corrected as 1.483
1:50 Su9
Anadyr   Khabarovsk 3.078 corrected as 1.687
B738 4:53
Anadyr Moscow 6.192 corrected as 5.081

Anadry is added as the furthest city of Asia.

Control:

Anadyr to Anchorage in google map: 1.674kms distance.

In our map: Anadyr to Anchorage is: 1.401 kms.

Is it meaningfull? Of course!

Anadyr is added with a perfect estimation as a furthest city of the Asia. For shows its furthest city of Asia, colored with green.



With Anadyr, the general cities of the world is finished. Because we started with other side and arrived to Anchorage with a great success. After that, we'll work more detailed for remained places.

Perfectly overlaps!

Nuuk (Greenland)

Nuuk-Iqaluit 820 corrected as same
Nuuk-Rejkavik 1.433 corrected as same
Nuuk-Baker Lake 2.097 corrected as 1.776

Nuuk is added with ball distances and colored as magenta.



Owww. Nuuk (Greenland) seems North of the Iceland. But, but according to google, Greenland is the west of Iceland!



Both of us can't be true. One of us is deceiver, dishonest, liar!

Ok, lets compare us to google.

Lets compare these cities first by temperature. Two cities on the same ocean, on sea side, has same latitude, altitude. Almost everything about them is same. So we expect same or near temperatures, according to google. But in our opinion, the temperatures of them should be much different. Because two cities have same conditions but one of them is more and more North!

Ok. Lets look to the temperatures first:

Nook is today, -11 degrees centigrad.



And Rejkavik today...



Zero degrees celcius.

Compare them by yearly temperatures:

Average yearly temperature Nuuk:



Average yearly temperature Rejkavik:



Ladies and Gentlmen; as you see that, these two cities if stays same latitude, has same altitude and if neigbours of the same ocean sided cities, impossible to be on same latitudes. Their distances to the North pole should be different.

So according to temperatures:

Flat map: 1
Google map: 0

Second compare: Magnetic declination:

If we are true, there should be significant magnetic declination between them and Iceland should start to turn its face to Nuuk:

Magnetic declination Nuuk: -26 degrees (west)



So we may mark the North as 360-26= 334 degrees with a compass on the map as follow:



A point to North West of the Greenland seems North. Ok, lets look to Rejkavik:



-13 degrees west again. Ok, lets put on it too a compass. 360-13=347 degrees.



As we see that, Rejkavik turned to Nuuk 13 degrees and take it to the "North West" side. This is not overlapped with google map. This event disproved the google map. On the other hand, it is not e perfect declination map but partially corrected the google / ball map.

Anyway.

With this event, we were right again and as a result:

Flat map: 2
google/hoax map: 0

Proven. Greenland is in the North side of the Iceland. At least, North West! This is obvious!

Google! Stop to lie! Turn to reality!

Anyway.

Nuuk is added as capital of the Greenland to the North side of the Rejkavik. (Not in the west)



As a result, we added Nuuk as an estimation depends on non-reliable datas. We may correct it later with a better estimation but it is obviously that it isn't stay in the west, opposite of google's claim. It is a lie. It is stay in the North side of Rejkavik, at least, North West.

While comparing Nuuk and Reykjavik average temperatures, think of this:



But I won't call you "liar". You just didn't know.

Barcelona

Barcelona   London 1.150
Barcelona   Helsinki 2.632
Barcelona   Rejkavik 2.985
Barcelona Lisbon 995

We accepted google distances in Europe as true because both distances and speeds pre accepted as true in Europe.

Barcelona   Sao Paolo 8.775 8982 corrected as 5.586
B763 10:39 874
Barcelona   Bogota 8.523 8062 corrected as 6.382
B788 9:22 892
Barcelona   LA 9.686 8540
9:54 B788 894
Barcelona   NY 6.158 5810 corrected as 4.852
B772 7:03 879
B764 6:39 879
Barcelona   Moscow 3.021 3.179 corrected as 3.549
A321 3:49 852
A320 3:55 852
Barcelona   Istanbul  2.234 2.495 corrected as 2764
A333 3:04 841
B738 3:06 836

I was thinking add Barcelone as a perfect point like Toronto but it was not perfect. Anyway. Barcelona is added for increasing population of Europe in the map and revealing the Mediterranian sea.



Amsterdam



Can it be another perfect point like Toronto?

I'll use ball map distances till they stay inside of the error range. If one of distance stays outside, then I'll use flight times. I hope pilots know the path. 

Amsterdam   Rejkavik   2014
Amsterdam   London   357
Amsterdam   Moscow   2437 corrected as 2.297
Amsterdam   Istanbul   2212 corrected as 1.968
Amsterdam   Barcelona   1238
Amsterdam   Lisbon   1864 corrected as 1.797
Amsterdam   Helsinki   1501
Amsterdam   Tel Aviv   3296 corrected as 3.173
Amsterdam   Toronto   5980 corrected as 4.802
Amsterdam   NY   5852 corrected as 4.228
Amsterdam   LA   8956 corrected as 7.946
Amsterdam   Mexico City   9211 corrected as 8036
Amsterdam   Bogota   8853 corrected as 6330
Amsterdam   Vancouer   7697 corrected as 6520
Amsterdam   Jakarta   11364 corrected as 12.481
Amsterdam   Beijing   7815 corrected as 6.994
Amsterdam   Tokyo   9305 corrected as 8.217
Amsterdam   Astana   4414
Amsterdam   Delhi   6357 corrected as 7738
Amsterdam   Johannesburg   9022 corrected as 8001
Amsterdam   Lagos   5109
Amsterdam   Sao Paolo   9804 corrected as 6341
Amsterdam   Buenos Aires   11444 corrected as 7676

Amsterdam perfectly overlaps with whole world. Alhough I use wrong values that came from ball/google hoax, I found the true place with a few estimation. So that Amsterdam stays almost all the circles,  it defined as a reliable point and marked with green circle.

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Either Don't come with globist lie again, or I'll ignore you. Do you really enough idiot to believe a sea water changes a temperatures of the city as 10 degrees. Come on, go to the hell with your globist lies!

Bergen (Norway)

Bergen   Barcelona 2.123
Bergen   Amsterdam 891
Bergen   Helsinki 1077 corrected as 885
Bergen   London 1044
Bergen   Rejkavik   1456
Bergen   Istanbul   2691 corrected as 2.027

Bergen as an European city, perfectly overlapped with ball distances. 4 was intersected and two was a bit changed.



As a result, Bergen, one of the upper city of Norway is added in the aim of attacking center from Norway side.

Quote from: Macarios on January 30, 2018, 04:13:45 AM

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Either Don't come with globist lie again, or I'll ignore you. Do you really enough idiot to believe a sea water changes a temperatures of the city as 10 degrees. Come on, go to the hell with your globist lies!

What is in the hell that draws your attention?

First you talk about "same ocean" as factor that determines the temperature, and when I show you that the ocean locally isn't the same, you curse and rage.

Do you know what are "Alberta Clipper", "Saskatchewan Screamer" and "Manitoba Mauler" ?
How they influence temperatures across the USA?

Tromso (Norway)

Tromso   Bergen   1206
Tromso   London   2248
Tromso   Amsterdam   2052
Tromso   Rejkavik   1843

Also Tromso is added and perfectly matched. None of distances are changed. Perfectly overlapped.



Tromso is added in the aim of attacking the center from Norway side. It seems Norway is finished but it is still far to the center.

This is not a discussing page. If you want to discuss or have an appeal about this working, you may do it in the topic of:

 Free discussing about new map >> https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73932.0

We opened that issue for discussings like this. But you are provocating everything. Instead of reveal google and others liars lies, you are still targeting me with aim of slow down the working. This is a dishonesty.

Macarios is added to the ignore list.

Oslo

Oslo   Tromso   1149   1149
Oslo   Bergen   304   304
Oslo   London   1154   1154
Oslo   Amsterdam   912   912
Oslo   Rejkavik   1744   1744
Oslo   Helsinki   787   corrected as 709

As an European city, ball map datas accepted as reliable and used one more time.

5/6 cities are perfectly intersected by themselves. Helsinki, one more time proved its place not perfect. Then it has moved through Moscow as 50kms for an error dispersion.



As a result, Oslo is added with a great overlapping the whole map.

Svalbard (Top of the Norway)

Thats the reason of we added Oslo and Tromso. Because this city only has two flight and only through these cities. So we have a chance to control its place by using these two cities. First we try to find it by using ball datas. Then control with flights, if requered.

Svalbard   Oslo   2018
Svalbard   Tromso   889
Svalbard   Helsinki   1933
Svalbard   Bergen   2022



Alhough all distances are reliable in this area, there is a lot of possibilities. Because we haven't a distance coming from other side, or right or left and limited the place. It is hard to decide its place yet.

Tomorrow we'll try to determine its, the top of the Europa's place.

Macarios is added to the ignore list.

Typical behavior. :-)

What disproves you, or you simply don't like, ignore.
Make your decision in advance and cling to it.
Corrections are not welcome if reality is different.

hehehe