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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2017, 07:10:27 PM »
lmfao....We "feel the distance to be shorter". 

The measurement is still the same.  You travel at a certain speed over a certain time period and there is your distance.  This is not even remotely complicated...just look at one of the already existing maps that are already verified to be accurate...you can verify the distances yourself.

You are never actually going to create a map this way.  You can't delete reality the same as you can delete comments that destroy your theory.

If you have a better idea, lets do it. I'm steady ready to listen it. If you haven't, shut up and sit down.
I don't know about you, but I have a "map",  though it won't all fit onto a single flat piece of paper without distortion.
All distances that I have checked out come out as close as I can measure. Here is a very small version:

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2017, 08:08:01 PM »
We'll need to the masters of photoshop and cgi  soon.

So it is a good idea someone's develop themselves in this matter.

During we continue the working, someones may create earlier versions of map and we may publish it as an estimation.

For example:

It is show up that compared to the all other maps including round and flat ones, China size should x2 bigger than old one. Russian size should be %50 less than old. Indonesia is about %30-50 longer, Australia about 1500 kms to the east, related with China's and Indonesia's growing. Europe is about same size. We have not enough data for America, but perhaps the size about same but shape may be a bit different.

an earler map can be made taking them into account.

PS: I'm weak on that last stage of this working and need a help.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2017, 08:59:16 PM »
B 737

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B737

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DTA240/history/20171224/0400Z/FNLU/FNUE
Direct: 798kms.
Time:
01:10
01:10
01:10
01:10
01:10
01:10
01:10

Average times: 01:10

Opposite:https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DTA241/history/20171223/0610Z/FNUE/FNLU
Time:
01:36
01:27
01:22
01:17
01:47
01:36
01:02

Average times:01:26
Average of times:01:18
Average speed: 798kms/01:18=611 kmh.
Number of considered flights:14


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA99/history/20171224/0345Z/KSEA/PANC
Direct: 2328kms.
Time:
03:29
03:50
03:35
04:00
03:52
03:50
04:00
03:28
03:38

Average times:03:44

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA106/history/20171224/0650Z/PANC/KSEA
Time:
03:08
03:28
03:08
03:13
03:16
03:33
03:08

Average times: 03:16
Average of times: 03:30
Average speed: 2328kms/03:30= 664kmh.
Number of considered flights:16


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA138/history/20171224/0400Z/CYVR/CYYC
Direct: 687kms.
Time:
01:26
01:39
01:16
01:06
01:20
01:14
01:22

Average times: 01:20

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA139/history/20171225/0430Z/CYYC/CYVR
Time:
01:47
01:29
01:41
01:39
01:20
01:34
01:27

Average times: 01:33
Average of times: 01:27
Average speed: 687kms/01:27= 473kmh.
Number of considered flights: 14


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA342/history/20171224/0340Z/KSEA/KSFO
Direct: 1095kms.
Time:
02:02
02:03
02:03
02:05
02:23
01:52
02:09

Average times: 2:05

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA315/history/20171223/2150Z/KSFO/KSEA
Time:

01:59
02:10
02:07
01:59
02:08
02:03
01:55

Average times:02:03
Average of times:02:04
Average speed: 1095kms/02:04= 529kmh.
Number of considered flights:14


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA605/history/20171224/0245Z/CYYZ/CYQR
Direct: 2030 kms
Time:
03:29
03:24
03:19
03:32
04:00
03:24
03:37
03:34

Average times: 03:32

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA156/history/20171223/1230Z/CYQR/CYYZ
Time:
03:09
02:52
03:06
02:48
03:04

Average times: 02:59
Average of times: 03:16
Average speed:2030kms/03:16= 621 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 13


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/JAI2369/history/20171224/0340Z/VILH/VIDP
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/JAI9812/history/20171221/0250Z/VILH/VIDP
Direct:622kms.
Time:
01:19
01:30
01:21
01:34
01:30
01:38
01:57
01:19

Average times: 01:31

Opposite:
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/JAI2368/history/20171224/0140Z/VIDP/VILH
Time:
01:35
01:41
01:22
00:54

Average times: 01:23
Average of times:01:27
Average speed: 622kms/01:27=429kms.
Number of considered flights:12


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL166/history/20171224/0250Z/RJFF/PGUM
Direct: 2667 kms.
Time:
03:29
03:35
03:35
04:04
03:59
03:50
03:42
03:25
03:44
03:44

Average times: 03:42

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL165/history/20171223/2135Z/PGUM/RJFF
Time:
04:05
04:04
03:59
04:04
04:04
04:05
04:02
03:49
03:58

Average times: 04:01
Average of times: 03:51
Average speed: 690kmh.
Number of considered flights: 19


Total number of considered flights: 102

Average speed of B737 = 584 kmh.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2017, 11:14:22 PM »
It appears that you are using the distances found at FlightAware to calculate your speeds.  If those distances are accurate, why not just use them directly instead?

Because the speed which is written in the page does not overlap with the value of Distance/time.

Okay, but why are you trusting their distance number and using it to calculate speed?  A speed which will eventually be used to calculate distance again?  Surely their distance numbers are wrong?  Isn't the whole point of this exercise to develop the correct distances?

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #64 on: December 24, 2017, 02:10:35 AM »
For Summer Solstice ground speed of subsolar point can be measured between Tazrouk, Algeria and El Argoub, Western Sahara.
It is 952.1 mph, which gives circumference of Tropic of Cancer to be 22850 miles.

For Equinox ground speed of subsolar point can be measured between Macapa, Brazil and Quito, Ecuador.
It is 1038 mph, which gives circumference of Equator to be 24912 miles.

For Winter Solstice ground speed of subsolar point can be measured between Rockhampton, Queensland and Minilya, Western Australia.
It is 952.5 mph, which gives circumference of Tropic of Capricorn to be 22860 miles.
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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2017, 03:52:28 AM »
Ground speed of the sub-solar point, that's an elegant way to measure the Tropics!  Thanks for that

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2017, 09:50:42 AM »
Brother hood of the dome

Whatever you do, Just keep doing what you are doing. Do not let anyone try to persuade you to stop, There are so many doubters on here and it begs the question, why? The RE'ers seem to outnumber the FE'ers on The flat earth society  Its laughable. If it were not for there ridicule, doubting, and constant argument and distraction perhaps the flat earth society might get somewhere! How much time has already been wasted arnswering there questions. Once they find out, and make the choice for definite within themselves that the earth is round, they should leave the forum, so that genuine people sitting on the fence, and real believers can conduct there experiments, ask questions without constant unproductive criticism, ridicule in every other comment and dissuasion. They wont like my stance, But now that they firmly believe the earth is round, why are they still in our society? if its because they do not have a globe forum, they should just be satisfied with there discovery and leave us 'crazy to them' folk alone, if they are still miserable people, then i recommend they join this forum http://www.grumpieroldmen.co.uk/forum/phpBB3/index.php instead and leave us alone so we can actually start getting somewhere...........Or is that what they are afraid of.

Brotherhood of the dome:

I really like what you are doing with flight paths and creating a map to reflect them, as already mentioned, It will be very interesting to see beta version, with an estimation. It does not really matter how inaccurate the first few models are, just to get a 'feel' for things will give us an idea of how things are heading.

It would be great if any photoshop masters, or even begginers could chip in and give a little of there time up for the sake of progress.

For example, Im not good at photoshop - but If I was to have a go, I would start out with an image of the flat earth, a nice and big one, Look at all the flights and just keep highlighting / copying the countries in question and moving them about and re-paste it using the flight paths averages. It may be a bit stone age style, but at this point theres no harm giving it a go - you have to start somewhere and trying to be perfect can somtimes get you nowhere, theres time for perfection down the road.

Im very keen to see any progress and cant wait to see the first map, even if it looks like something from a novice, anything is better then nothing.

keep it up :)
« Last Edit: December 24, 2017, 09:56:06 AM by brinnbry022 »

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2017, 10:06:27 AM »
It appears that you are using the distances found at FlightAware to calculate your speeds.  If those distances are accurate, why not just use them directly instead?

Because the speed which is written in the page does not overlap with the value of Distance/time.

Okay, but why are you trusting their distance number and using it to calculate speed?  A speed which will eventually be used to calculate distance again?  Surely their distance numbers are wrong?  Isn't the whole point of this exercise to develop the correct distances?

Surely, the whole point is correctance to the distances. here we should use logic. the speeds we actually calculated here are not the actual speeds but "relative" speeds. how is it relative? relative to each other. if all the planes were flying on the same reliable line we could easily calculate all their speeds. but there is no such line. we use different lines to reduce this error. some in asia, some in africa, and some in america. As a result, even if these distances are faulty, the value we calculate has relatively small error and the error is relatively true.

For example:

If an airplane flights between LA and NY in 2 hours, and the other one flights in 3 hourse, this means the first one is 50%  faster than the other. Whatever the distance is wrong, the speeds are true in proportion to each other. we will identify "reliable routes" at a certain stage of this work and we will correct all speeds depend on the flights in this route. it will be quite fun.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2017, 10:16:54 AM »
I understand that, The faster route would likely be the reliable route. longer routes may take diversions, or have to make extra diversions / delay in the air while waiting for the runway to be clear ect.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2017, 10:20:20 AM »
Brother hood of the dome

Whatever you do, Just keep doing what you are doing. Do not let anyone try to persuade you to stop, There are so many doubters on here and it begs the question, why? The RE'ers seem to outnumber the FE'ers on The flat earth society  Its laughable. If it were not for there ridicule, doubting, and constant argument and distraction perhaps the flat earth society might get somewhere! How much time has already been wasted arnswering there questions. Once they find out, and make the choice for definite within themselves that the earth is round, they should leave the forum, so that genuine people sitting on the fence, and real believers can conduct there experiments, ask questions without constant unproductive criticism, ridicule in every other comment and dissuasion. They wont like my stance, But now that they firmly believe the earth is round, why are they still in our society? if its because they do not have a globe forum, they should just be satisfied with there discovery and leave us 'crazy to them' folk alone, if they are still miserable people, then i recommend they join this forum http://www.grumpieroldmen.co.uk/forum/phpBB3/index.php instead and leave us alone so we can actually start getting somewhere...........Or is that what they are afraid of.

Brotherhood of the dome:

I really like what you are doing with flight paths and creating a map to reflect them, as already mentioned, It will be very interesting to see beta version, with an estimation. It does not really matter how inaccurate the first few models are, just to get a 'feel' for things will give us an idea of how things are heading.

It would be great if any photoshop masters, or even begginers could chip in and give a little of there time up for the sake of progress.

For example, Im not good at photoshop - but If I was to have a go, I would start out with an image of the flat earth, a nice and big one, Look at all the flights and just keep highlighting / copying the countries in question and moving them about and re-paste it using the flight paths averages. It may be a bit stone age style, but at this point theres no harm giving it a go - you have to start somewhere and trying to be perfect can somtimes get you nowhere, theres time for perfection down the road.

Im very keen to see any progress and cant wait to see the first map, even if it looks like something from a novice, anything is better then nothing.

keep it up :)

Thanks for your support. If you develop yourself in the matter of photoshop, I'll glad it.

Actually I made this working with a different way and about finished. But there have been some problems. At the beginning of the problem, the community did not try to own that map. for this reason, the issue of what the copyright of this map will be. this is still a question. I think this work is "open source" so there will not be any copyright issues.

On the other hand, we still have an photoshop problem. I had done my previous work on my own initiative and people generally had not been so interested in participation. as a result I got bored of this after a while due to problems.

This work is different. this may be the work I do most of it, but it may continue other than where I left it for being anonymous. On the other hand, I'm getting the interest of some terrorist organizations and I may be not find a time do this work again in the future. so I want to do it as soon as possible, at least I want to do as much as I can. if we can put a certain frame into it, then a PhotoShop expert may do continue after that point can take over and conclude the work.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2017, 10:56:12 AM »
I understand that, The faster route would likely be the reliable route. longer routes may take diversions, or have to make extra diversions / delay in the air while waiting for the runway to be clear ect.

most crowded routes and has regular cadastral work cities are the most reliable ones. new york and london-based ones. Beijing and Moscow is also a center, but since the map of china is very wrong and I don't trust their cadastral works, they are not useful. the next step is to use New York, London, Paris and Istanbul are useful to correct the speeds by using flights between themselves.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2017, 10:48:50 PM »
B 733

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B733

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI211/history/20171225/0535Z/EVRA/EDDT

Direct: 839 kms.
Time:
01:14
01:21
01:25
01:10
01:14
01:21
01:29
01:27

Average time:01:20

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI212/history/20171223/0755Z/EDDT/EVRA
Time:
01:44
01:46
01:57
02:00
01:37
01:56
01:38

Average time: 01:48
Average of times: 01:34
Average speed: 839kms/1:34= 534kmh.
Number of considered flights: 15


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI621/history/20171225/0520Z/EETN/EHAM
Direct: 1474kms
Time:
02:19
02:37
02:05
02:17
02:14
02:21
02:24

Average time: 2:19

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI622/history/20171225/0920Z/EHAM/EETN
Time:
02:27
02:40
02:43
02:54
02:46
02:21
02:21

Average time: 2:36
Average of times: 2:27
Average speed: 1474kms/2:27= 598kmh.
Number of considered flights:14


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAY792/history/20171224/2205Z/MWCR/KJFK
Direct: 2484kms.
Time:
03:37
03:36
03:57
04:08
03:43
03:40
03:58
03:28
03:49
03:47

Average time:3:46

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAY793/history/20171224/1330Z/KJFK/MWCR
Time:
04:24
04:14
03:57
04:03
04:03
04:10
04:03
04:48
04:25

Average time: 04:14
Average of times: 04:00
Average speed: 2484kms/04:00=620kmh.
Number of considered flights: 19
(NY)

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SLM9919/history/20171225/0610Z/SOCA/SBBE
Direct: 815 kms.
Time:
01:43
01:26
01:24

Average time: 01:31

Opposite:  https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SLM9920/history/20171223/1000Z/SBBE/SOCA
Time:
01:18
01:13
01:25

Average time:1:18
Average of times: 1:24
Average speed: 815kms/1:24= 576kmh.
Number of considered flights: 6



https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SJY334/history/20171225/0500Z/WARR/WILL
Direct: 876kms.
Time:
01:15
01:20
01:12
01:12
01:15
01:21
01:14
01:14
01:18
01:21

Average time: 1:16

Opposite:https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SJY335/history/20171225/0230Z/WILL/WARR
Time:
01:34
01:25
01:20
01:30
01:39
01:27
01:34
01:28
01:15
01:18
01:14

Average time:1:25
Average of times:1:21
Average speed:876kms/1:21= 649kmh.
Number of considered flights:21


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROT373/history/20171224/0545Z/LROP/EBBR
Direct: 1758kms.
Time:
02:53
03:09
03:05
03:13
02:47
02:35
03:08
03:00
02:58
Average time:2:58

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROT374/history/20171224/0920Z/EBBR/LROP
Time:
02:36
02:46
02:41
02:39
02:50
02:56
02:26
02:27
02:38

Average time: 2:39
Average of times:2:49
Average speed: 1758kms/2:49=623 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 18


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI629/history/20171225/0550Z/EVRA/LIMC
Direct: 1637kms.
Time:
02:26
02:10
02:19
02:48

Average time: 2:25

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI630/history/20171224/1105Z/LIMC/EVRA
Time:
02:30
02:38
02:37
02:20

Average time: 2:31
Average of times: 2:28
Average speed: 1637kms/2:28= 661kmh.
Number of considered flights: 8


Total number of considered flights: 101

Average speed of B733 = (534x15+598x14+620x19+576x6+649x21+623x18+661x8)/101= 611 kmh.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2017, 11:37:07 PM »
A 320

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A320

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN633/history/20171226/0020Z/SPJC/SCEL
Direct: 2465kms.
Times:
03:16
03:20
03:15
03:21
03:29
03:25
03:18
03:21
03:18
03:28

Average time: 03:21

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SKU804/history/20171226/0150Z/SCEL/SPJC
Times:
03:51
03:50
04:01
03:41
03:45
04:01
04:03
03:43
03:44
04:00
04:06
03:47

Average time: 3:52
Average of times: 3:36
Average speed: 2465kms/3:36=682kmh.
Number of considered flights: 22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MEA217/history/20171224/0515Z/OLBA/EDDF
Direct: 2843kms.
Times:
04:29
04:23
04:24
04:12
04:26
04:36
04:27
04:31

Average time: 04:26

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MEA218/history/20171224/1100Z/EDDF/OLBA
Times:
03:59
03:55
03:43
03:56
03:55
03:46
03:45
03:48

Average time: 3:50
Average of times: 4:08
Average speed: 2843kms/4:08= 687kmh.
Number of considered flights: 16


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/IBS3743/history/20171225/0710Z/LFPG/LEMD
Direct: 1063kms.
Times:
01:44
01:42
01:41
01:38
01:46
01:34
01:33
01:36
01:45
01:44

Average time:1:40

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/IBS3740/history/20171225/1655Z/LEMD/LFPG
Times:
01:47
01:52
01:54
01:48
01:56
02:04
02:02
01:55
01:55
01:56

Average time: 01:54
Average of times: 1:47
Average speed: 1063kms/1:47= 593kmh.
Number of considered flights: 20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU264/history/20171225/0651Z/KSEA/KJFK
Direct: 3891kms.
Times:
04:36
04:41
04:41
05:37
04:48
05:01
04:43
05:01
04:51
04:55

Average time: 04:53

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU263/history/20171225/2330Z/KJFK/KSEA
Times:
06:07
06:36
06:27
06:34
06:19
06:59
06:38
06:45
06:14
05:56

Average time: 6:27
Average of times: 5:40
Average speed: 3891kms/5:40=686kmh.
Number of considered flights:20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/IRA718/history/20171225/0755Z/LTBA/OIIE
Direct: 2043kms.
Times:
02:20
02:23
02:29
02:42
02:44

Average time: 02:31

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/IRA719/history/20171225/0220Z/OIIE/LTBA
Times:
03:03
03:35
03:22
03:26
03:03
02:54

Average time: 3:13
Average of times: 2:52
Average speed: 2043kms/2:52=710kmh.
Number of considered flights: 11


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP431/history/20171225/1645Z/LFPO/LPPT
Direct:  1439kms.
Times:
02:17
02:08
02:13
02:12
02:13
02:18

Average time: 02:13

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP446/history/20171225/1940Z/LPPT/LFPO
Times:
02:01
02:21
02:24
02:24
02:25
02:28
02:13

Average time: 2:19
Average of times: 2:16
Average speed: 1439kms/2:16=633kmh.
Number of considered flights: 13


Number of considered flights: 102

Average speed of A320=(682x22+687x16+593x20+686x20+710x11+633x13)/102= 663kmh.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2017, 11:42:36 PM »
They are talking about speed of 0,7 mach to 0,9 mach.

0,7mach= 858 kmh.
0,9mach= 1102 kmh.

Do you see the lie?

Speeds should be 858 kmh to 1102 kmh but until this time, there is no any type of aircraft running over 0,68 mach. So the earth is...?

"smaller than their showed"


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #74 on: December 25, 2017, 12:18:52 AM »
A 330

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A330

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA841/history/20171224/0625Z/LOWW/LEBL
Direct: 1370kms.
Times:
01:47
01:45
01:46
01:51
02:02

Average time:1:50

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA842/history/20171224/1025Z/LEBL/LOWW
Times:
01:55
02:01
02:04
02:02
02:20

Average time: 02:04
Average of times: 1:57
Average speed: 1370kms/1:57= 701kmh.
Number of considered flights: 10


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA611/history/20171225/0325Z/KJFK/LIRF
Direct: 6875kms.
Times:
08:15
08:34
08:23
08:07
08:10
08:34
08:20
08:19
08:15
07:58

Average time: 8:17

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA610/history/20171224/1345Z/LIRF/KJFK
Times:
10:07
10:08
09:40
10:05
09:42
10:08
09:43
11:01
10:37
10:42

Average time: 10:11
Average of times: 9:14
Average speed: 6875kms/ 9:14= 744kmh.
Number of considered flights: 20


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA387/history/20171225/1905Z/OEJN/HECA
Direct:1219kms.
Times:
02:24
02:21
02:22
02:24
02:04
02:17
02:27
02:32
02:32

Average time: 2:22

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR663/history/20171225/2120Z/HECA/OEJN
Times:
02:01
02:20
02:06
01:57
02:06
02:11
02:07
02:06
01:57
01:58
02:00

Average time: 2:04
Average of times: 2:13
Average speed: 1219kms/2:13= 548kmh.
Number of considered flights: 20


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA365/history/20171225/0250Z/OEJN/DTTA
Direct: 3258kms.
Times:
04:58
04:49
05:12
05:05
05:13
05:14
05:13
05:27

Average time: 05:08

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA366/history/20171225/0930Z/DTTA/OEJN
Times:
04:16
04:31
04:10
04:05
04:18
04:12
04:17
04:13

Average time: 4:15
Average of times: 4:42
Average speed: 3258kms/4:42= 693kmh.
Number of considered flights: 16


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA605/history/20171225/0145Z/KJFK/LIMC
Direct: 6421 kms.
Times:
08:09
07:50
07:55
07:38
07:47
07:57
08:06
07:47
07:45
07:22
07:09

Average time: 7:45

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA604/history/20171224/1200Z/LIMC/KJFK
Times:
09:23
09:22
09:01
09:00
09:23
09:00
08:50
09:37
09:13
09:30
09:49

Average time: 9:17
Average of times: 8:31
Average speed: 6421kms/9:17= 753kmh.
Number of considered flights: 22


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ARG1300/history/20171225/0250Z/SAEZ/KJFK
Direct: 8545kms.
Times:
11:14
10:53
10:49
10:41
11:08
11:10
11:38
11:50
11:10
10:51
10:50

Average time:11:06

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ARG1301/history/20171224/2025Z/KJFK/SAEZ
Times:
11:00
10:23
10:32
10:37
10:43
10:44
10:45
10:35
11:29
11:07
11:13

Average time: 10:49
Average of times: 10:58
Average speed: 8545kms/10:58= 779kmh.
Number of considered flights: 22


Total number of considered flights: 110

Average speed of A330 = (700x10+744x20+548x20+693x16+753x22+779x22)110=  706kmh.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #75 on: December 25, 2017, 12:59:03 AM »
A 343

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A343

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ108/history/20171225/0804Z/YSSY/NZAA
Direct: 2161kms
Times:
02:34
03:26
02:58
03:05
03:21
03:03
02:59
03:00

Average time: 3:03

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ101/history/20171224/1800Z/NZAA/YSSY
Times:
03:13
03:42
03:37
03:19
03:15
03:34
03:25
03:41
03:54

Average time: 3:31
Average of times: 3:17
Average speed: 2161kms/3:17= 658kmh
Number of considered flight: 17



https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ARG1132/history/20171225/0255Z/SAEZ/LEMD
Direct: 10099kms.
Times:
11:44
12:07
11:51
12:14
12:12
11:44
12:14
11:56
12:03

Average time:12:00

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ARG1133/history/20171225/1810Z/LEMD/SAEZ
Times:
13:02
12:56
12:59
13:44
12:53
12:58
12:59
13:23
12:59
13:01
12:07

Average time: 13:00
Average of times: 12:30
Average speed: 10099kms/12:30= 808kmh.
Number of considered flight: 20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA190/history/20171225/0740Z/FAOR/FIMP
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAU854/history/20171221/2255Z/FAOR/FIMP
Direct: 3071kms
Times:
03:59
04:00
03:55
03:56
03:40
03:53
03:54
03:55

Average time: 03:54

Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA191/history/20171225/1240Z/FIMP/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAU853/history/20171222/1630Z/FIMP/FAOR
Times:
04:17
04:10
04:24
04:25
04:32
04:30
04:26
04:05
04:21

Average time: 4:21
Average of times: 4:07
Average speed: 3071kms/4:07= 744kmh
Number of considered flight: 17


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR429/history/20171225/0150Z/SKBO/LFPG
Direct: 8654kms
Times:
10:54
11:20
10:44
09:56
10:48
09:58
11:10
11:11
10:57
10:46
10:13

Average time: 10:43

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR422/history/20171224/1215Z/LFPG/SKBO
Times:
10:50
10:56
10:54
11:12
10:48
11:34
11:15
11:18
10:45
10:50
11:03

Average time: 11:02
Average of times: 10:52
Average speed: 8654kms/ 10:52= 795kmh
Number of considered flight:22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SWR161/history/20171225/0205Z/RJAA/LSZH
Direct: 9606kms
Times:
12:30
12:48
12:34
12:50
12:10
12:28
12:37
12:30
12:38
12:44
12:43

Average time: 12:35

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SWR160/history/20171224/1200Z/LSZH/RJAA
Times:
11:50
11:52
11:07
11:56
11:45
12:00
11:33
11:49
11:41
11:29
11:28

Average time: 11:40
Average of times: 12:08
Average speed: 9606kms/12:08= 791kmh
Number of considered flight: 22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/EDW51/history/20171225/0130Z/VTSP/LSZH
Direct: 9338kms
Times:
12:30
11:50
11:56
12:33
13:00
13:43

Average time: 12:35

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/EDW50/history/20171220/1250Z/LSZH/VTSP
Times:
11:01
11:10
11:05
11:03
11:12
11:06

Average time: 11:06
Average of times: 11:50
Average speed: 9338kms/11:50= 788kmh
Number of considered flight: 12


Total number of considered flights: 110

Average speed of A343 (4 motors) = (658x17+808x20+744x17+795x22+791x22+788x12)/110= 767 kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #76 on: December 25, 2017, 01:57:44 AM »
A 359

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A359

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR94/history/20171225/0720Z/LSZH/OTHH
Direct: 4500kms
Times:
05:41
05:40
05:20
05:27
05:31
05:39
05:47
05:34
05:32
06:17

Average time: 05:38


Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR93/history/20171223/2300Z/OTHH/LSZH
times:
06:33
06:49
06:53
06:54
06:40
06:30
06:27
06:22
06:31
06:27

Average time: 06:36
Average of times: 06:07
Average speed: 4500kms/06:07= 734kmh
Number of considered flights:20


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL31/history/20171225/0840Z/CYVR/RCTP
Direct: 9603kms
Times:
13:01
12:38
12:46
13:30
13:30
13:13
13:33
12:57
13:19
13:07
12:29
12:33

Average time: 13:03

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL32/history/20171224/1555Z/RCTP/CYVR
times:
10:15
10:38
10:30
10:18
09:37
09:55
10:05
09:41
09:35
09:54
10:05
10:03

Average time: 10:03
Average of times: 11:33
Average speed: 9603kms/11:33= 831 kmh
Number of considered flights: 24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR6/history/20171225/0800Z/EGLL/OTHH
Direct: 5247kms
Times:
06:33
06:26
06:14
06:25
06:27
06:32
06:21

Average time: 06:25

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR5/history/20171225/1425Z/OTHH/EGLL
times:
07:33
07:26
07:44
07:44
07:19
07:11
07:14
07:26
07:10
07:25

Average time: 07:25
Average of times: 06:55
Average speed: 5247kms/06:55= 758kmh
Number of considered flights: 17


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA157/history/20171225/0445Z/VHHH/YBBN
Direct: 6956kms
Times:
08:27
08:13
08:27
08:13
08:31
08:35
08:37
08:23
08:16
07:58
08:24
08:11

Average time: 08:21

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA156/history/20171223/1728Z/YBBN/VHHH
times:
08:21
08:31
08:23
08:12
08:12
08:01
08:15
08:10
08:33
07:58
08:32
08:37

Average time: 08:18
Average of times: 08:20
Average speed: 6956kms/08:20= 835kmh
Number of considered flights: 24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA31/history/20171224/1730Z/KSFO/WSSS
Direct: 13597kms
Times:
17:32
17:07
17:44
17:00
17:02
16:52
16:45
16:48
17:13
17:53
17:05
17:24

Average time: 17:12

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA32/history/20171224/0120Z/WSSS/KSFO
times:

Average time: 14:52
14:39
14:21
14:29
14:47
14:02
14:11
14:02
13:50
14:12
14:25
14:32
14:19

Average of times: 15:46
Average speed: 13597kms/ 15:46= 862kmh
Number of considered flights: 25


Total number of considered flights: 110

Average speed of A 359= (734x20+831x24+758x17+835x24+862x25)/110=810 kmh.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #77 on: December 25, 2017, 03:20:22 AM »
B 738

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B738

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/THY2666/history/20171225/0950Z/LTBA/LTCV
Direct: 1235kms
Times: 
02:10
02:09
01:55
02:01
02:03
01:58
01:59
02:06
02:15
02:21
02:19
02:15

Average time: 2:07

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/THY2667/history/20171224/1255Z/LTCV/LTBA
Times:
02:12
03:20
02:52
02:38
02:46
02:30
02:25
03:01
02:46
02:20
02:21
02:23

Average time:2:37
Average of times: 2:22
Average speed: 1235kms/2:22=519kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA556/history/20171225/1041Z/YSSY/YBBN
Direct: 754kms
Times:
01:14
01:22
01:32
01:17
01:25
01:16
01:14
01:19
01:28
01:22
01:26
01:17

Average time:1:21

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA557/history/20171225/0935Z/YBBN/YSSY
Times:
01:32
01:26
01:17
01:33
01:36
01:33
01:26
02:00
01:34
01:30
01:33

Average time: 1:32
Average of times: 1:26
Average speed: 754kms/1:26=521kmh
Number of considered flights:23


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/THY283/history/20171225/1020Z/LTBA/UMMS
Direct: 1437kms
Times:
03:14
02:34
02:24
02:23
02:04
02:14
02:23
02:25
02:17

Average time: 2:26

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/THY284/history/20171225/1345Z/UMMS/LTBA
Times:
02:33
02:34
02:41
02:33
02:40
02:57
03:43
02:43
02:27

Average time: 2:45
Average of times: 2:36
Average speed: 1437kms/2:36=552kmh
Number of considered flights:18


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AXB141/history/20171225/0820Z/VIDP/OMDB
Direct: 2185kms.
Times:
03:30
03:26
03:25
03:28
03:32
03:52
03:26
03:40
03:25
03:34
03:28
03:45

Average time: 3:32

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/JAI547/history/20171225/1900Z/OMDB/VIDP
Times:
03:21
03:25
03:05
03:10
03:12
03:09
03:03
03:09
03:18
03:15
03:20
02:58
02:58

Average time: 3:11
Average of times: 3:21
Average speed: 2185kms/3:21= 650kmh.
Number of considered flights:25


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SXS140/history/20171225/1005Z/LTAI/EDDF
Direct:2302kms
Times:
03:18
03:18
03:31
03:27
03:28
03:24

Average time: 3:24

Opposite:
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SXS143/history/20171224/1740Z/EDDF/LTAI
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SXS141/history/20171225/1455Z/EDDF/LTAI
Times:
03:22
03:07
03:24
03:08
03:35

Average time: 3:19
Average of times: 3:21
Average speed: 2302kms/3:21=685kmh
Number of considered flights:11


Considered total number of flights: 101

Average speed of B738=(519x24+521x23+552x18+650x25+685x11)/110=576kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #78 on: December 25, 2017, 03:29:35 AM »
B 734

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B734

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ADR115/history/20171225/0825Z/EDDF/BKPR
Direct: 1267kms
Times:
02:04
02:10
02:07
02:06
02:21
02:01
02:05
02:16
02:26

Average time: 02:10

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ADR114/history/20171225/0505Z/BKPR/EDDF
Times:
02:29
02:34
02:34
02:32
02:34
02:37
02:34
02:34
02:37

Average time: 2:33
Average of times: 2:22
Average speed: 1267kms/ 2:22=534kmh
Number of considered flights: 18


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAW6314/history/20171225/0830Z/FALE/FACT
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAW6306/history/20171225/1600Z/FALE/FACT
Direct: 1278kms
Times:
02:10
02:04
02:06
01:58
02:14
02:06
02:02
02:05
02:32


Average time: 02:08

Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAW6309/history/20171225/1120Z/FACT/FALE
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAW6313/history/20171224/1530Z/FACT/FALE
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAW6301/history/20171225/0430Z/FACT/FALE
Times:
01:46
01:59
01:55
01:54
01:58
02:04

Average time: 1:56
Average of times: 2:02
Average speed: 1278kms/2:02=627kmh
Number of considered flights:15


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JTA49/history/20171225/1000Z/RJGG/ROAH
Direct: 1304kms
Times:
02:44
02:24
02:24
02:21
02:42
02:28
02:27
02:29
02:32
02:38
02:17

Average time:2:29

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JTA46/history/20171225/1015Z/ROAH/RJGG
Times:
02:08
02:07
01:59
02:02
01:58
01:55
01:58
01:59
01:55
01:59
02:09

Average time: 02:00
Average of times: 02:15
Average speed: 1304kms/02:15= 579kmh
Number of considered flights:22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JTA16/history/20171225/0920Z/ROAH/RJOB
Direct: 1124kms
Times:
01:43
01:49
01:44
01:52
01:46
01:47
01:42
01:45
01:46
01:45
01:54

Average time: 1:46

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/JTA11/history/20171224/2330Z/RJOB/ROAH
Times:
02:04
02:07
02:04
02:08
01:59
02:15
02:10
02:12
02:06
02:09
02:08
01:57

Average time: 2:06
Average of times: 1:56
Average speed: 1124kms/1:56=578kmh
Number of considered flights:23


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UTA368/history/20171225/1035Z/URRR/UUWW
Direct:  945kms
Times:
01:43
01:33
01:38
01:22
01:30

Average time:1:33

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UTA367/history/20171225/0745Z/UUWW/URRR
Times:
01:50
01:40
01:40
01:40

Average time:1:42
Average of times: 1:37
Average speed: 945kms/1:37=579kmh
Number of considered flights:9


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN3396/history/20171225/1105Z/ZGGG/ZHCC
Direct: 1239kms
Times:
02:25
02:16
02:25
02:29
02:20
02:13

Average time:2:21

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN3959/history/20171225/0835Z/ZHCC/ZGGG
Times:
02:12
02:15
02:18
02:23
02:21
02:22
02:14

Average time:2:17
Average of times: 2:19
Average speed: 1239kms/2:19=533kms
Number of considered flights: 13


Total number of considered flights: 100

Average speed of B734 =(534x18+627x15+579x22+578x23+579x9+533x13)/100=  572kmh (Contains 1 China and 1 Russia)


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #79 on: December 25, 2017, 03:58:57 AM »
B 739

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B739

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM1575/history/20171225/1110Z/EHAM/LGAV
Direct: 2184kms
Time:
02:58
03:20
03:13
02:58
03:08
02:57
02:59
02:59

Average time: 03:09

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM1576/history/20171225/1505Z/LGAV/EHAM
Time:
03:29
03:31
03:57
03:22
03:27
03:28
03:20
03:42
03:22
03:20

Average time: 3:29
Average of times: 3:16
Average speed: 2184kms/3:16= 666kmh
Number of considered flights: 18


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2113/history/20171225/1045Z/KPHL/KIAH
Direct: 2132kms
Time:
04:04
03:41
04:15
03:41
04:26

Average time: 04:01

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1753/history/20171226/0201Z/KIAH/KPHL
Time:
02:53
02:48
02:52
03:03
02:47

Average time: 2:52
Average of times: 3:27
Average speed: 2132kms/3:27=618kmh
Number of considered flights:10


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2859/history/20171225/0715Z/KSEA/KDTW
Direct:  3097kms
Time: 04:01
04:13
03:48
03:57
03:48
03:26
03:49
04:02
04:00
03:58
04:08
03:53

Average time: 3:55

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1823/history/20171226/0055Z/KDTW/KSEA
Time:
05:13
05:16
05:00
05:00
05:10
05:24
05:19
05:06
04:45
04:35
05:00

Average time:05:04
Average of times: 04:29
Average speed: 3097kms/04:29=689kmh
Number of considered flights: 23


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/MXD633/history/20171225/0445Z/RCTP/WMKK
Direct: 3250kms
Time:
04:55
05:00
04:59
04:45
04:41
04:49
05:11
05:19
04:50
04:56
04:42

Average time: 04:55

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/MXD632/history/20171224/2315Z/WMKK/RCTP
Time:
04:48
04:58
04:41
04:47
04:43
04:32
04:55
04:35
04:59
05:00
05:03
04:28

Average time: 4:47
Average of times: 4:51
Average speed: 3250kms/ 4:51= 669kmh.
Number of considered flights: 23


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1654/history/20171225/0759Z/KLAX/MMUN
Direct: 3411 kms
Time:
04:33
04:37
04:35
04:29
04:22
04:31
05:05

Average time: 4:36

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1277/history/20171225/2305Z/MMUN/KLAX
Time:
05:08
05:01
05:08
04:56
05:14
05:15
05:12
05:13
05:14

Average time: 5:09
Average of times: 4:52
Average speed: 3411kms/4:52=700kmh
Number of considered flights:16


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL262/history/20171225/0630Z/KSEA/KIAD
Direct: 3706kms
Time:
04:20
04:31
04:38

Average time: 4:29

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL326/history/20171224/2235Z/KIAD/KSEA
Time:
05:43
05:44
05:49
05:55
05:57
05:33
05:49
05:45
05:33
05:38

Average time: 5:44
Average of times: 5:07
Average speed: 3706kms/5:07=724kmh
Number of considered flights: 13


Total number of considered flights: 103

Average speed of B739 = (666x18+618x10+689x23+669x23+700x16+724x13)/103= 680kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #80 on: December 25, 2017, 05:12:22 AM »
B 752

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B752

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1596/history/20171225/1200Z/KJFK/MDST

(With opposite)

Direct: 2384kms

Times:
03:28
03:47
03:51
03:27
04:20
04:02
03:43
03:53
03:53
04:07
03:46
03:30
04:28
03:55
04:54
03:33
04:16
03:42
04:40
04:03
Average of times: 03:57
Average speed: 2384kms/03:57= 601kmh
Number of considered flights:20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOS8005/history/20171225/0945Z/LFPO/KJFK
Direct: 5839kms
Times:
09:08
08:24
08:21
08:25
08:39
08:21
08:47
09:14

Average time: 8:39

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOS8006/history/20171224/0030Z/KJFK/LFPO
Times:
07:00
07:19
07:39
07:42
06:58

Average time: 7:19
Average of times: 7:59
Average speed: 5839kms/7:59=730kmh
Number of considered flights: 13


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2230/history/20171225/1115Z/KJFK/KMIA
Direct: 1759kms
Times:
03:02
02:53
02:58
03:10
02:57
02:58
02:54
03:19
03:28
02:47

Average time:3:02

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL156/history/20171225/0025Z/KMIA/KJFK
Times:
02:51
02:53
02:50
02:53
02:40
02:51
02:43
02:41
02:44
02:26

Average time:2:45
Average of times: 2:53
Average speed: 1759kms/2:53=607kms
Number of considered flights:20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL433/history/20171225/1105Z/KBOS/KSFO
Direct:4347kms
Times:
06:56
06:59
06:53
06:40
07:11
06:42
06:49
06:45
06:28
06:12
06:09

Average time:6:42

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1413/history/20171226/0525Z/KSFO/KBOS
Times:
05:11
05:25
05:24
05:43
05:16
05:27
05:15
05:36
05:27
05:09
05:22

Average time: 5:23
Average of times: 6:02
Average speed: 4347kms/6:02=719kmh
Number of considered flights: 22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL231/history/20171225/0945Z/LFPG/KRDU
Direct: 6513kms
Times:
08:51
09:44
09:19
09:21
09:24
09:05
09:22
09:27
10:10
10:08
09:55
09:49

Average time:9:32

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL230/history/20171224/2252Z/KRDU/LFPG
Times:
07:45
07:50
07:57
08:01
07:49
07:57
07:56
07:57
08:01
07:35
07:34
07:19

Average time: 7:48
Average of times: 8:40
Average speed: 6513kms/8:40=751kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL123/history/20171225/0730Z/EGLL/KIAD
Direct: 5908kms
Times:
09:11
08:51
08:31
08:47
08:19
08:34

Average time: 8:42

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL122/history/20171225/1335Z/KIAD/EGLL
Times:
07:02
07:07
07:04
07:15
07:32
07:09

Average time: 7:11
Average of times: 7:56
Average speed:5908kms/7:56=743kmh
Number of considered flights: 12


Total number of considered flights: 111

Average speed of B 752 = (601x20+730x13+607x20+719x22+751x24+743x12)/111= 688 kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #81 on: December 25, 2017, 05:36:51 AM »
B 763

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B763

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL11/history/20171225/1255Z/EGLL/KMSP
Direct: 6451kms
Times:
08:49
08:51
08:56
08:34
09:05
08:56
08:42
09:19
09:07
08:53
08:57
08:48
08:57

Average time: 08:54

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL10/history/20171225/0404Z/KMSP/EGLL
Times:
07:48
07:50
07:54
07:47
07:59
08:01
08:21
08:18
07:56
07:57
08:05
08:13
07:42

Average time: 7:59
Average of times: 8:27
Average speed: 6451kms/8:27= 763kmh
Number of considered flights: 26


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU1620/history/20171225/1140Z/CYYZ/KFLL
Direct: 1961 kms
Times:
03:21
02:57
02:56
03:15
03:00
02:57
03:08
03:17
02:52
03:12
03:31
02:53

Average time: 3:06

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU1623/history/20171225/1640Z/KFLL/CYYZ
Times:
02:51
03:06
03:21
03:08
02:57
02:57
03:43
02:46
03:12
02:59
03:06
03:09
03:03

Average time: 3:06
Average of times: 3:06
Average speed: 1961kms/3:06= 632 kmh
Number of considered flights: 25


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/LPE2476/history/20171225/0650Z/SPJC/KLAX
Direct: 6728kms
Times:
08:20
08:17
08:09
08:02
08:14
07:50
08:12
08:06
08:08
08:10
08:16

Average time: 8:09

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/LPE2477/history/20171224/2100Z/KLAX/SPJC
Times:
10:11
10:02
10:21
10:29
10:33
10:21
10:35
10:24
10:37
10:38
10:36
10:00

Average time: 10:23
Average of times: 9:16
Average speed: 6728kms/9:16=725kmh
Number of considered flights: 23


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL408/history/20171225/0845Z/LSZH/KJFK
Direct: 6317kms
Times:
09:27
09:05
08:31
08:44
09:02
08:53
09:17
08:29
09:24
08:59
09:15
09:37

Average time: 9:03

Opposite:  https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL407/history/20171225/2310Z/KJFK/LSZH
Times:
07:12
07:06
07:34
07:24
07:07
07:52
07:17
07:45
06:53
07:09
07:45
06:56

Average time:7:20
Average of times: 8:11
Average speed: 6317kms/8:11= 771 kms
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU1830/history/20171225/0930Z/PHNL/CYVR
Direct: 4358kmh
Times:
05:25
05:06
05:32
05:08
05:30
05:14
05:31
05:20
05:35
05:25
05:42

Average time: 5:24

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU1831/history/20171226/0145Z/CYVR/PHNL
Times:
06:18
06:49
06:54
06:18
06:40
06:06
06:29
06:17
05:57
05:47
06:14

Average time: 6:20
Average of times: 5:52
Average speed:4358kms/5:52= 742kmh
Number of considered flights: 22


Total number of considered flights: 120

Average speed of B 763 = (763x26+632x25+725x23+771x24+742x22)/120= 726 kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #82 on: December 25, 2017, 08:01:35 AM »
They are talking about speed of 0,7 mach to 0,9 mach.

0,7mach= 858 kmh.
0,9mach= 1102 kmh.

Do you see the lie?

Speeds should be 858 kmh to 1102 kmh but until this time, there is no any type of aircraft running over 0,68 mach. So the earth is...?

"smaller than their showed"
Or you're taking averages of the entire trip and forgetting that they travel much slower during takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing as has been mentioned multiple times before but you don't like to take criticism.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #83 on: December 25, 2017, 11:39:47 AM »
They are talking about speed of 0,7 mach to 0,9 mach.

0,7mach= 858 kmh.
0,9mach= 1102 kmh.

Do you see the lie?

Speeds should be 858 kmh to 1102 kmh but until this time, there is no any type of aircraft running over 0,68 mach. So the earth is...?

"smaller than their showed"
Or you're taking averages of the entire trip and forgetting that they travel much slower during takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing as has been mentioned multiple times before but you don't like to take criticism.

If you are a sprinter, you can tell me your speed is 36 kilometers per hour when you race, which is meaningful. but if you are running 10 kilometers and you tell me that your speed is 36 kilometers, you are a liar. I also put this out. I do not mean you, I speak in general.

I am writing the facts, not the dreams. your dreams are Paris but your facts are Addis Ababa.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2017, 04:58:02 PM »
Or you're taking averages of the entire trip and forgetting that they travel much slower during takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing as has been mentioned multiple times before but you don't like to take criticism.

If you are a sprinter, you can tell me your speed is 36 kilometers per hour when you race, which is meaningful. but if you are running 10 kilometers and you tell me that your speed is 36 kilometers, you are a liar. I also put this out. I do not mean you, I speak in general.

I am writing the facts, not the dreams. your dreams are Paris but your facts are Addis Ababa.
But aircraft, once at altitude fly at much the same speed whether on a short flight of say 1 hour or a long flight of 12 hours.

So the time taken in taxiing, taking off and gaining altitude is much more significant in short flights that long slights.

Therefore you must make allowance for this or you will get incorrect distances.

Also some long flight do not take "direct routes" fo safety or political reasons, such as Air China Flight 947 from New Delhi to Beijing:
As noted on the report, the direct distance is 3815 km but the plane actually flies 5099 km to satisfy safety regulations.

So if your calculations gave about 5100 km from New Delhi to Beijing you would be quite wrong.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #85 on: December 25, 2017, 05:04:28 PM »
They are talking about speed of 0,7 mach to 0,9 mach.

0,7mach= 858 kmh.
0,9mach= 1102 kmh.

Do you see the lie?

Speeds should be 858 kmh to 1102 kmh but until this time, there is no any type of aircraft running over 0,68 mach. So the earth is...?

"smaller than their showed"
Or you're taking averages of the entire trip and forgetting that they travel much slower during takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing as has been mentioned multiple times before but you don't like to take criticism.

If you are a sprinter, you can tell me your speed is 36 kilometers per hour when you race, which is meaningful. but if you are running 10 kilometers and you tell me that your speed is 36 kilometers, you are a liar. I also put this out. I do not mean you, I speak in general.

I am writing the facts, not the dreams. your dreams are Paris but your facts are Addis Ababa.
You misunderstand.  YOU claimed the speeds of 0.7 to 0.9 mach are a lie.  But that represent their cruising speed.  You don't see that in your work because of the significant amount of time spent at lower speed due to takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing.  It has nothing to do with sprinting.  They CAN maintain those speeds the entire time and the longer flights show the average approaching those speed.

If you must use a running analogy, what you have is not the speed of the run but the average speed of the walking warmup before the run, the run, and the walking cooldown after the run.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #86 on: December 25, 2017, 09:49:37 PM »
They are talking about speed of 0,7 mach to 0,9 mach.

0,7mach= 858 kmh.
0,9mach= 1102 kmh.

Do you see the lie?

Speeds should be 858 kmh to 1102 kmh but until this time, there is no any type of aircraft running over 0,68 mach. So the earth is...?

"smaller than their showed"
Or you're taking averages of the entire trip and forgetting that they travel much slower during takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing as has been mentioned multiple times before but you don't like to take criticism.

If you are a sprinter, you can tell me your speed is 36 kilometers per hour when you race, which is meaningful. but if you are running 10 kilometers and you tell me that your speed is 36 kilometers, you are a liar. I also put this out. I do not mean you, I speak in general.

I am writing the facts, not the dreams. your dreams are Paris but your facts are Addis Ababa.
You misunderstand.  YOU claimed the speeds of 0.7 to 0.9 mach are a lie.  But that represent their cruising speed.  You don't see that in your work because of the significant amount of time spent at lower speed due to takeoff, ascent, descent, and landing.  It has nothing to do with sprinting.  They CAN maintain those speeds the entire time and the longer flights show the average approaching those speed.

If you must use a running analogy, what you have is not the speed of the run but the average speed of the walking warmup before the run, the run, and the walking cooldown after the run.

I don't care what the claiming of cruise speeds are. I'm considering the reality. Thanks for your comment but I don't want to listen anymore lies.


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2017, 10:18:19 PM »
B 773

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B773

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES583/history/20171226/0520Z/ZSPD/KLAX

Direct: 10429kms
Times:
11:42
11:42
11:11
10:59
11:14
11:25
11:03
10:50
10:54
11:14
11:28
11:18

Average time: 11:15

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES586/history/20171226/1930Z/KLAX/ZSPD
Times:
13:23
13:52
15:30
14:28
14:11
15:27
14:16
14:22
14:20
14:07
13:37
13:31

Average time: 14:15
Average of times: 12:45
Average speed:10429kms/ 12:45= 818kmh
Number of considered flights: 24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR995/history/20171222/2350Z/HECA/CYYZ
Direct: 9240kms
Times:
12:37
12:21
12:34
12:14
12:31
12:14
12:13

Average time:12:23

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR996/history/20171225/1745Z/CYYZ/HECA
Times:
10:25
11:21
10:23
10:42
11:10
10:06
10:34

Average time: 10:40
Average of times: 11:31
Average speed: 9240kms/11:31=801kmh
Number of considered flights:14


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/THA960/history/20171224/1825Z/VTBS/ESSA
Direct:

Times:
Average time:

Opposite:
Times:
Average time:
Average of times:
Average speed:
Number of considered flights:

Direct: 8306kms
Times:
11:53
11:56
11:32
11:20
11:03
11:06
10:55
11:10
11:03
11:25
10:51
11:04

Average time:11:16

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/THA961/history/20171226/1230Z/ESSA/VTBS
Times:
09:20
09:22
09:42
09:50
09:54
10:09
10:09
10:23
10:01
10:09
10:08
10:06

Average time: 09:56
Average of times: 10:36
Average speed: 8306kms/10:36=783kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA722/history/20171223/0615Z/OEJN/OPRN
Direct: 3580kms
Times:
04:59
04:50
04:53
04:40
04:46

Average time:4:49

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA727/history/20171226/0845Z/OPRN/OEJN
Times:
05:15
05:01
05:16
05:28
05:20

Average time: 5:16
Average of times:5:02
Average speed: 3580kms/5:02=709kmh
Number of considered flights:10


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8090/history/20171226/0130Z/SBGR/KMIA
Direct: 6582kms
Times:
07:39
07:52
07:49
07:57
07:55
08:15
08:01
08:03
07:59
07:55
08:07

Average time: 7:57

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8091/history/20171226/2325Z/KMIA/SBGR
Times:
08:51
08:17
08:14
08:31
08:20
09:27
08:36
08:43
08:06
08:43
08:31

Average time: 8:34
Average of times: 8:15
Average speed: 6582kms/8:15=796kmh
Number of considered flights:22


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8071/history/20171225/1845Z/EDDF/SBGR
Direct: 9806kms
Times:
12:07
11:55
11:38
12:08
11:43
12:05
11:30
11:55
11:47
11:50
12:11
11:39

Average time:11:52

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8070/history/20171226/0010Z/SBGR/EDDF
Times:
11:15
11:29
11:51
11:59
11:50
11:39
11:47
11:49
11:31
11:47
11:38
11:29

Average time: 11:40
Average of times: 11:46
Average speed:9806kms/11:46=833kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/PAL721/history/20171225/2150Z/EGLL/RPLL
Direct: 10779kms
Times:
12:53
13:15
13:24
13:26
13:18
13:35
13:26
13:26
13:22
13:03
13:02
13:17

Average time: 13:17

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/PAL720/history/20171225/0500Z/RPLL/EGLL
Times:
14:55
14:41
14:46
14:53
14:40
14:27
13:59
14:23
14:46
14:41
14:52
14:45

Average time: 14:39
Average of times: 13:58
Average speed:10779kms/13:58=772kmh
Number of considered flights:24


Total number of considered flights: 142

Average speed of B773 = (818x24+801x14+783x24+709x10+796x22+833x24+772x24)/142= 794kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #88 on: December 25, 2017, 10:47:48 PM »
B 77L

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B77L

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETD161/history/20171226/0520Z/OMAA/KDFW
Direct: 12984kms
Times:
16:22
16:17
16:00
16:41
16:25
16:21
17:05
16:38
16:32
16:26
16:07
16:14

Average time: 16:25

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETD160/history/20171226/0105Z/KDFW/OMAA
Times:
13:59
14:05
14:00
14:18
14:29
14:28
15:35
14:45
14:33
14:48
14:21
14:51

Average times:14:31
Average of times:15:28
Average speed:12984kms/15:28=839 kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH847/history/20171226/0530Z/HAAB/FACT
Direct: 5236kms
Times:
06:24
06:26
06:29
06:24
06:21
06:38
06:36
06:27
06:37
06:30
06:22

Average time: 6:28

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH846/history/20171225/1255Z/FACT/HAAB
Times:
06:18
06:32
06:28
06:35
06:32
06:34
06:24
06:22
06:27
06:32
06:33

Average times: 6:28
Average of times: 6:28
Average speed:5236kms/6:28=808kmh
Number of considered flights:22


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA46/history/20171226/0135Z/CYYZ/VABB
Direct: 12508kms
Times:
15:16
14:21
15:11
15:11
15:26
14:44
16:14

Average time: 15:11

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA47/history/20171225/1815Z/VABB/CYYZ
Times:
16:34
16:29
16:06
15:39
15:50
15:20
16:09

Average times: 16:01
Average of times: 15:36
Average speed: 12508kms/15:36=801kmh
Number of considered flights: 14


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR921/history/20171226/0215Z/NZAA/OTHH
Direct: 14551kms
Times:
18:02
17:42
17:44
17:34
17:25
17:16
17:13
17:24
17:13
17:36
17:30
17:48

Average time: 17:32

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR920/history/20171225/2325Z/OTHH/NZAA
Times:
16:09
16:02
16:11
16:00
16:44
16:43
16:50
17:11
16:45
16:18
16:18
16:19

Average times: 16:27
Average of times: 16:59
Average speed: 14551kms/16:59= 856kmh
Number of considered flights:24


https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL40/history/20171226/0134Z/YSSY/KLAX
Direct: 12075kms
Times: 
13:16
13:49
14:08
14:08
13:32
13:32
13:40
13:35
13:41
13:31
13:31
13:26

Average time: 13:39

Opposite: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL41/history/20171227/0600Z/KLAX/YSSY
Times:
14:53
14:39
14:30
14:16
14:26
14:33
14:38
14:47
15:00
14:54
14:35
14:44

Average times: 14:39
Average of times: 14:09
Average speed: 12075kms/14:09=853kmh
Number of considered flights:24


Total considered number of flights: 108

Average speed of B77L = (839x24+808x22+801x14+856x24+853x24)/108= 835kmh


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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #89 on: December 25, 2017, 11:03:40 PM »
Stage 1 preliminary study is done.

Now the time is to correct suspicious speeds by comparing flights. as a preliminary work I put a question mark and colored to red to those who are suspicious in my mind. you can check those you are on doubts.

Control method:

1- Open the suspicious flight chart by clicking the name of aircraft (not to speed)
2- Choose one of intensive routes.
3- Calculate the average flight time of the aircraft you suspect.( no need to opposite side for comparing)
4- Calculate the average flight time of other aircrafts.
5- Compare and put forward the differences.


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