Flat Earthers and Dinosaurs

I gotta be honest, I kinda agree with John Davis, some of these Dinosaurs do look ridiculous...



A chicken body, with a snake neck and a bird beak??? Also what's with the Kangaroo legs in the back and the human legs in the front?!??!?!

I still believe some dinosaurs existed, but I concede that 90% were fake, like the above! John Davis, what do you think?

do u know that that is a giraffe like
deadass your image like even says it is a giraffe

[img width=300] http://s3.amazonaws.com/cloud.scoutmob.com/shoppe/products/94928/original/Giraffe-Anatomy-Art-Print-linton_3_0_Giraffe_(2).jpg [/ i m g ]

Are you really this dumb lol

I suspect John thinks he's been amusing, or "challenging our preconceived notions" or some such shit.

In reality he's just pushing another ludicrous conspiracy theory.

However, I do agree that this is fake, no such animal could ever exist.  Just laughable.

once again this is a giraffe



https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1185467/446866321/stock-vector-giraffe-with-skeletal-system-illustration-446866321.jpg

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 12, 2017, 09:17:33 AM

I suspect John thinks he's been amusing, or "challenging our preconceived notions" or some such shit.

In reality he's just pushing another ludicrous conspiracy theory.

However, I do agree that this is fake, no such animal could ever exist.  Just laughable.

once again this is a giraffe



https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1185467/446866321/stock-vector-giraffe-with-skeletal-system-illustration-446866321.jpg

Does that make its existence any less ridiculous?

And have you not seen that neck before?

Quote from: sovietchild on December 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM

Isn't that a skeleton of giraffe?

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 12, 2017, 02:44:21 PM

Shhhhh

Hey! At least give me credit for the original post!

Quote from: Straight on December 12, 2017, 08:14:59 AM

I gotta be honest, I kinda agree with John Davis, some of these Dinosaurs do look ridiculous...



A chicken body, with a snake neck and a bird beak??? Also what's with the Kangaroo legs in the back and the human legs in the front?!??!?!

I still believe some dinosaurs existed, but I concede that 90% were fake, like the above! John Davis, what do you think?

It was brilliant

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

...another argument based on deception and conspiracy, with no evidence other than "it seems impossible".

Then, you post a diagram of a skeleton that you think is ridiculous, not knowing the creature actually walks the Earth TODAY!

John, you may not know this, but YOU are the biggest joke out there!

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

Filled with air?  Do you mean like the hollow bones found in modern birds?
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/science/profiles/wedel_0609.php

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

No, all you've done is show that you don't know how whales can sustain their size and have not shown that these dinofauxs have ways past the cited physical limits.

...another argument based on deception and conspiracy, with no evidence other than "it seems impossible".

Then, you post a diagram of a skeleton that you think is ridiculous, not knowing the creature actually walks the Earth TODAY!

John, you may not know this, but YOU are the biggest joke out there!

I didn't post a picture of giraffe at all, if that is what you are talking about rockstar.

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

I'd rather have a less retarded conversation, but you carry on.

John

Maybe I missed it, but you don’t appear to have answered the question regarding how the the bones got into the rock, and how old they are.

So, here goes again. The following link shows the Quarry Exhibit Hall at Dinosaur National Monument in Utah. There are over 1500 dinosaur bones on view here, still embedded in the rock as they were found.

https://www.nps.gov/dino/planyourvisit/quarry-exhibit-hall.htm



How did they get there?

How old are they?

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 12, 2017, 06:27:06 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

No, all you've done is show that you don't know how whales can sustain their size and have not shown that these dinofauxs have ways past the cited physical limits.

No, you have merely claimed those were the physical limits.  Then refused to look at any other possibilities.
Nazi penguins anyone?

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

It looks like Mr Davis beliefs have ventured into disbelief of time, it looks like he believes in a 90 hour day! Well I suppose that’s just one more fiction to add to his long list.
His approach of claiming yet another-conspiracy is par for the course, unable to put forward a credible argument, as there isn’t one, he falls back on his default stance, ignore and refuse to confront the evidence while at the same time pile up a few strawmen then add some conspiracy. Pretty standard fare for the flat earth mentality. It would be good to have a few facts for a change rather than John’s strawmen.
Dinosaur fossils have been discovered on every continent including Antartica, with over 250,000 discovered.


I know John hates facts preferring fictionalised beliefs, but sometimes confronting and dealing with the truth can be cathartic.

Of course as well as the factual real fossils there are also fossilised trackways that are found all over the world, like these ones in the Uk

https://depositsmag.com/2017/05/18/dinosaurs-footprints-on-the-isle-of-skye-scotland/

Now Is John claiming all the dinosaurs fossils, all 250,000 of them dug up from the ground are fake?
https://paleobiodb.org/navigator/

Is he claiming all the trackways are fake, made as part of a conspiracy to somehow benefit all the world’s Palaeontologists?....while at the same time believing moonlight is dangerous and Penguins are a result of a Nazi experiment that are being used to feed Antartic guards!
I think I see a pattern developing, do you?

All this sounds just like their excuses for claiming satelites don’t exist along with the Hubble telescope, all the space missions, moon landings, the list goes on...oh and of course all the resulting photographs. Apparently John doesn’t believe in photographs according to a statement he made on another topic.

The common denominator is they ignore evidence, play a conspirac card all in some bizarre and outlandish effort to shore up their fictitious beliefs. Why?

Why make all the fuss about fossils? 

Quote from: John Davis on December 13, 2017, 04:40:34 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 12, 2017, 06:27:06 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

No, all you've done is show that you don't know how whales can sustain their size and have not shown that these dinofauxs have ways past the cited physical limits.

No, you have merely claimed those were the physical limits.  Then refused to look at any other possibilities.
Nazi penguins anyone?

I had one for luch.....it gave me gas, made me think of John Davis. The funny thing is now every time I fart I see his avatar image, total bummer.

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:17:17 PM

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

It looks like Mr Davis beliefs have ventured into disbelief of time, it looks like he believes in a 90 hour day! Well I suppose that’s just one more fiction to add to his long list.

Perhaps Alabama electing a Democrat broke the space-time continuum.

Quote from: Nightsky on December 13, 2017, 10:13:13 AM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:17:17 PM

And let's talk a bit about how their bones have to be filled with air, just for them to lumber about and eat for 90 hours a day.

It looks like Mr Davis beliefs have ventured into disbelief of time, it looks like he believes in a 90 hour day! Well I suppose that’s just one more fiction to add to his long list.

Perhaps Alabama electing a Democrat broke the space-time continuum.

I don’t believe in Alabama, I think the idea for it originated in some song lyrics...you know the one sweet home something. Any state where 48% of the voters voted for a man with very dubious morals can’t exist in the real world’

Quote from: John Davis on December 13, 2017, 04:40:34 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 12, 2017, 06:27:06 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

No, all you've done is show that you don't know how whales can sustain their size and have not shown that these dinofauxs have ways past the cited physical limits.

No, you have merely claimed those were the physical limits.  Then refused to look at any other possibilities.
Nazi penguins anyone?

Nope, I cited two sources that explained exactly why they were the limits, and why whales were riding on the edge of the limits and how they get around this. I was supplied with no counter theories or other possibilities aside from "Nuh UH!" and "NO you didn't!"

You mean when a farmer now and then digs up some bones and sells them?

Some are fabricated for said pay off; some are mistakenly identified or reconstructed, like the iguanodon and Gideon Mantell's wife.

No, you cretin. Your explanation of them being fakes relies entirely on "someone else" finding them, i.e. deliberately faking them to sell them to others. What about real people who actually find one in the ground, buried in solid rock where nobody could possibly have planted it? As for "mistakenly identified" - that's just a circular argument. If the bones of an iguanodon aren't an iguanodon, then WTF are they? If an animal has the skeleton of an iguanodon, then maybe, perhaps, it IS an iguanodon?
I've found fossils in rock. They're not fakes, they've not been planted. I've never found a dinosaur, but plenty of other real people have.

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 08:59:41 AM

You mean when a farmer now and then digs up some bones and sells them?

Some are fabricated for said pay off; some are mistakenly identified or reconstructed, like the iguanodon and Gideon Mantell's wife.

No, you cretin. Your explanation of them being fakes relies entirely on "someone else" finding them, i.e. deliberately faking them to sell them to others. What about real people who actually find one in the ground, buried in solid rock where nobody could possibly have planted it? As for "mistakenly identified" - that's just a circular argument. If the bones of an iguanodon aren't an iguanodon, then WTF are they? If an animal has the skeleton of an iguanodon, then maybe, perhaps, it IS an iguanodon?
I've found fossils in rock. They're not fakes, they've not been planted. I've never found a dinosaur, but plenty of other real people have.

The bones of an iguanodon were mistakenly assembled many times. The history is quite humorous. They were assembled from the bones of several non-dinosaurs into something that looked like a dinosaur. When flaws and fakery were found (and they were) they adjusted their work to this.

I have no doubt fossils exist. I also have no doubt that a farmer might find a bone and think its a dinosaur when in reality its just a bone for another creature.

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 13, 2017, 07:02:22 AM

Quote from: John Davis on December 13, 2017, 04:40:34 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on December 12, 2017, 06:27:06 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM

Past their impossible physiology, they are made from ad hoc hypotheses after ad hoc hypotheses, all from those vying for contracts for their findings to be shown in museums and legitimize their career and add a bullet point to their resume. Paleontology is the biggest joke out there. You might as well believe that Penguins aren't walking lunch boxes.

You have not shown it to be impossible merely that you don't understand.
Yes!  Let's talk about nazi penguins!

No, all you've done is show that you don't know how whales can sustain their size and have not shown that these dinofauxs have ways past the cited physical limits.

No, you have merely claimed those were the physical limits.  Then refused to look at any other possibilities.
Nazi penguins anyone?

Nope, I cited two sources that explained exactly why they were the limits, and why whales were riding on the edge of the limits and how they get around this. I was supplied with no counter theories or other possibilities aside from "Nuh UH!" and "NO you didn't!"

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-were-dinosaurs-so-big-1092128
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/25/dinosaur-reproduction-not-ancient-gravity-made-sauropods-super-sized/
There are couple of fun articles with some theories on why you are wrong.

Yes, they are constantly (and still) trying to come to a solution to this problem within the academic community, and yes there are a lot of ad hoc hypotheses down this line. The fact is that it is an open problem in paleontology which makes all the arguments above against this point a bit silly.

And look at some of those explanations - ancient gravity! Wow and people think we have odd beliefs. Best change gravity to make dinosaurs able to exist, in spite of it tainting their entire field of study.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on December 13, 2017, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 12, 2017, 08:59:41 AM

You mean when a farmer now and then digs up some bones and sells them?

Some are fabricated for said pay off; some are mistakenly identified or reconstructed, like the iguanodon and Gideon Mantell's wife.

No, you cretin. Your explanation of them being fakes relies entirely on "someone else" finding them, i.e. deliberately faking them to sell them to others. What about real people who actually find one in the ground, buried in solid rock where nobody could possibly have planted it? As for "mistakenly identified" - that's just a circular argument. If the bones of an iguanodon aren't an iguanodon, then WTF are they? If an animal has the skeleton of an iguanodon, then maybe, perhaps, it IS an iguanodon?
I've found fossils in rock. They're not fakes, they've not been planted. I've never found a dinosaur, but plenty of other real people have.

The bones of an iguanodon were mistakenly assembled many times. The history is quite humorous. They were assembled from the bones of several non-dinosaurs into something that looked like a dinosaur. When flaws and fakery were found (and they were) they adjusted their work to this.

I have no doubt fossils exist. I also have no doubt that a farmer might find a bone and think its a dinosaur when in reality its just a bone for another creature.

So let me summarise your viewpoint to be sure I am clear: You don't believe dinosaurs existed, but you do believe that massive creatures the size of dinosaurs existed. Some of these creatures bones have been found and called "dinosaurs", but they're not actually dinosaurs, they're different giant animals that have been mistakenly identified. Is that right?
If so, how come you believe in these other animals but not dinosaurs? Why is there a dividing line?

While what John Davis and his cohort believe in is neither here nor there, but watch out if people get into a position of power and influence that share such fictitious beliefs, when that happens and fiction rules the day....then we will be truly fucked. Think about Trump and global warming for example.

And look at some of those explanations - ancient gravity! Wow and people think we have odd beliefs. Best change gravity to make dinosaurs able to exist, in spite of it tainting their entire field of study.

Actually the article specifically mentions that some non scientists have made that claim but that it is ridiculous.  Did you even read them?
Also do you mind showing your sources again?  Somehow I'm missing them.

Goldbogen et al, and Holden

One of the first dinosaurs was in the lobby of an entertaining room, as a spectacle for foolish visitors. The attention of the public was caught by a Charismatic Creationist, in one fateful speech. The first was a bunch of teeth experts repeatedly confirmed were nothing, found by a quarry owners wife. He later found a gator skull, piltdowned it, and we now have the iguanodon.