Help me understand

You keep avoiding my point.

I get that they would do this to control us, but how is it any different from controlling us if the earth is flat?

Whether they say it's round or flat, they would still have control over us, over everything.

A fantasy of an existing space is just something that costs them too much and doesn't bring to them any more control over us than the one they already have.

Every satellite that gets launched into orbit needs to go through NASA by law.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 01:32:20 PM

Every satellite that gets launched into orbit needs to go through NASA by law.

The Office of Commercial Space Transportation (generally referred to as FAA/AST or simply AST^[1]) is the branch of the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that approves any commercial rocket launch operations—that is, any launches that are not classified as model, amateur, or "by and for the government."

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2017, 01:41:35 PM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 01:32:20 PM

Every satellite that gets launched into orbit needs to go through NASA by law.

The Office of Commercial Space Transportation (generally referred to as FAA/AST or simply AST^[1]) is the branch of the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that approves any commercial rocket launch operations—that is, any launches that are not classified as model, amateur, or "by and for the government."

Okay, so they have to be cleared by the government at some level. My point was more that you can't just build a satellite and launch it into orbit without going through some governmental authority.
Thanks, though.

So people act like these companies just design build and launch these things themselves. That's not true.

How many rockets do they launch a year? How much does a rocket that doesn't need to go to space cost?

Why would any of the engineers have any idea what actually happens to those things after they "leave the atmosphere"?

Every satellite that gets launched into orbit needs to go through NASA by law.

As for data, does a meteorologist build and send a satellite into space, or do they just get handed a data set? What are you even talking about?

But in the end, anyone can put a satellite into orbit.

• Space.com
• Sky and Telescope
• PhotographyBlogger
• HobbySpace
• BrightHub

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 09:51:02 AM

Whether they say it's round or flat, they would still have control over us, over everything.

No, they would not.

Oh, before you run off screaming about having a basis in science, just go ahead and consider my answers about the whole control issue as being offered in a sociological/psychological context.

You claimed my answer regarding the dome as having some sort of self-sealing properties was specious.
Actually, there are, known to man, self-sealing materials:

Try ploughing a meteorite through one.

You would need to find a meteorite and then figure out a way to ramp it up it's speed to that of a meteor to test your ploughing stunt.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2017, 12:36:03 AM

You would need to find a meteorite and then figure out a way to ramp it up it's speed to that of a meteor to test your ploughing stunt.

So find a chunk of iron (i.e. meteorite) and fire it out of a railgun.

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 09:51:02 AM

Whether they say it's round or flat, they would still have control over us, over everything.

No, they would not.

This is what you need to explain.
How do they have more control by convincing us Earth is round?

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Oh, before you run off screaming about having a basis in science, just go ahead and consider my answers about the whole control issue as being offered in a sociological/psychological context.

When you can actually provide one.
You need to show how pretending Earth is round (assuming it isn't) gives them something.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 07, 2017, 12:26:59 AM

You claimed my answer regarding the dome as having some sort of self-sealing properties was specious.
Actually, there are, known to man, self-sealing materials:

Try ploughing a meteorite through one.
Also note that these are typically complex materials which don't form naturally.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 07, 2017, 12:26:59 AM

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 09:51:02 AM

Whether they say it's round or flat, they would still have control over us, over everything.

No, they would not.

This is what you need to explain.
How do they have more control by convincing us Earth is round?

God, you are dense.

Do governments have control over the populace?

Answer = yes

What do governments tell us?

Answer = The Earth is an "oblate spheroid."

Then you go on to agree entities engaged in honest/loving/trusting relationships do not seek control over each other, allowing freedom...

WTF!?!

You are fucking mental.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 07, 2017, 12:26:59 AM

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Oh, before you run off screaming about having a basis in science, just go ahead and consider my answers about the whole control issue as being offered in a sociological/psychological context.

When you can actually provide one.
You need to show how pretending Earth is round (assuming it isn't) gives them something.

Failing to see the forest because of the fucking trees, Jack...

Failing to see the forest because of the fucking trees...

Arguing like the fucking little you are.

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on December 07, 2017, 12:26:59 AM

You claimed my answer regarding the dome as having some sort of self-sealing properties was specious.
Actually, there are, known to man, self-sealing materials:

Try ploughing a meteorite through one.
Also note that these are typically complex materials which don't form naturally.

So?

This is getting annoying.

You keep insulting jackblack but it's you that just can't answer a simple question.

WHAT is the difference between powerful people controlling us by telling us the earth is round or by telling us the earth is flat?

We are at elementary levels here..

We understand you believe that they would have more control with the space lie because that's something really big people would believe.

But WHAT WOULD DIFFER if the earth was flat? HOW would their power be less in this case?

We want examples, hypothesis,..

Please remove your head from your ass and try to read and understand our question!

God, you are dense.

Do governments have control over the populace?
Answer = yes
What do governments tell us?
Answer = The Earth is an "oblate spheroid."

Do not worry about Jack...he can handle it and gets what he deserves.

I do not think you will be able to restate the question to engender a different intent or meaning (unless you are going to move the goalposts).

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 03:12:49 AM

God, you are dense.

Nope. That seems to be you.

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 03:12:49 AM

Do governments have control over the populace?
Answer = yes
What do governments tell us?
Answer = The Earth is an "oblate spheroid."

Would they still have control if they told us Earth was flat?
YES!!!

See, this is what you need to address.
What do they get specifically from telling us Earth is round?
What would they lose if people knew Earth was flat?

Until you address that, your words are empty.


Do you understand that?

Stop just saying they have control and are saying Earth is round or that they could get you to believe a lie.

You need to show exactly what benefit they get from claiming Earth is round.

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 03:45:24 AM

Do not worry about Jack...he can handle it and gets what he deserves.

If that was the case you would actually answer my questions or admit that you were wrong.

I am yet to get what I deserve from any of your FEers.

Instead you offer the same refuted crap again and again, failing to answer simple questions.

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 03:45:24 AM

I do not think you will be able to restate the question to engender a different intent or meaning (unless you are going to move the goalposts).

So you admit you have no actual answer and instead can only repeat the same non-answers.

I admit you are an abject failure at being human and constitute nothing more than a stain on a bedsheet.

By the way, I want to take the time to let everyone know why Jack has such a hard time understanding a loving/honest/trusting relationship.
It would be hard for you too if you grew up needing a pork chop tied around your neck just so the dog would play with you.
So cut Jack a little slack on this one.

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 04:22:33 AM

By the way, I want to take the time to let everyone know why Jack has such a hard time understanding a loving/honest/trusting relationship.
It would be hard for you too if you grew up needing a pork chop tied around your neck just so the dog would play with you.
So cut Jack a little slack on this one.

I guess you'd know first-paw, since you were the dog! Down Spot!

The Flat Earth Society Society must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to have to roster Totally Crappy on duty to defend the indefensible!

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 03:28:31 AM

WHAT is the difference between powerful people controlling us by telling us the earth is round or by telling us the earth is flat?

Answer = Control vs. No Control.

Also note that these are typically complex materials which don't form naturally.

Quote from: totallackey on December 07, 2017, 03:45:24 AM

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 03:28:31 AM

WHAT is the difference between powerful people controlling us by telling us the earth is round or by telling us the earth is flat?

Answer = Control vs. No Control.

How does the shape of the world affect the level of control the powerful people have?

What is so empowering to the common people about a flat Earth...

...and what exactly about a sphere concentrates power in the hands of only a few?

If When the US government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...

...it wasn't for "control vs. no control".

It was to create an excuse to place military forces near oil.  That is the material gain.  Oil.  The lie was for the explicit gain of oil.

That's the specific type of answer that we want.  What is gained by lying about the shape of the Earth?  It's not control, because they already need control to tell the lie.

Why a sphere and not a tetrahedron, or a cylinder, or a flat plane?  What is so dangerous about the public knowing the world is flat?

A test of nature to control people through a lie? seriously? Couldn't they just do it in some other way that would be less expensive?

and the parent-children lie analogy you made... do you think it actually fits the problem? telling a lie to your parents to gain control doesn't cost you anything other than a sense of guilt.

...but international companies telling people the earth is round (with consequent "proofs" of any kind) would cost much more, not just in money but in time, general resources and effort.

And they would do all this because such a big lie would definitely prove that people can be controlled? Yeah like that was fundamental. They control us everyday, from small ads to big companies such as banks (and they also profit by it!) and you mean to tell me that the only gain they get from the biggest lie they tell us is control? please! that's just BS.

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:12:41 AM

A test of nature to control people through a lie? seriously? Couldn't they just do it in some other way that would be less expensive?

Such as?

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:12:41 AM

and the parent-children lie analogy you made... do you think it actually fits the problem? telling a lie to your parents to gain control doesn't cost you anything other than a sense of guilt.

If that...

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:12:41 AM

...but international companies telling people the earth is round (with consequent "proofs" of any kind) would cost much more, not just in money but in time, general resources and effort.

Once told and accepted, the ruse is actually easier to maintain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:12:41 AM

And they would do all this because such a big lie would definitely prove that people can be controlled? Yeah like that was fundamental. They control us everyday, from small ads to big companies such as banks (and they also profit by it!) and you mean to tell me that the only gain they get from the biggest lie they tell us is control? please! that's just BS.

Sorry.

History tells us otherwise.

First of all, wikipedia is not a reliable source.

THERE IS NO PROFIT other than control masses, which they still could do if they said the earth is flat damn it!

First of all, wikipedia is not a reliable source. Anyone can write on it and (according to my past experience with it) it can't be listed as a reliable source anywhere.

Second of all, history tells us otherwise? You mean wars and all? of course, much money, time, effort and resources were spent on them to gain control of people or territory l. But there was an actual gain and profit for them! The winning side would get the territory, and therefore all the resources that territory would imply. And also, by gaining more territory you gain control over a greater number of people, and these people will now produce and do things for you that will make you even richer.

So, where does a lie such as the space one gets her profit? do they increase the number of territory they get? no. do they increase the number of people working for them? could be, but the money spent to keep up the lie would still be too low compared to the one you would get in return. does it bring any more resources? no.

THERE IS NO PROFIT other than control masses, which they still could do if they said the earth is flat damn it!

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:37:11 AM

First of all, wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Says you.

Quote from: Pixie on December 07, 2017, 06:37:11 AM

THERE IS NO PROFIT other than control masses, which they still could do if they said the earth is flat damn it!

Find that on Wikipedia?