Help me understand

An entity, capable of deceiving/compromising your mind to the point of causing you to deny the very nature of the world that surrounds you does indeed have an advantage and does indeed continue to benefit.

Again, ignoring the main point.
That would apply before it convinced you the shape of Earth is something that it is not.
It convincing you that Earth is round, does nothing.
So how does it benefit them to pretend Earth is round?

And evidently, the term, "weapons of mass destruction," was lost on you. The rich and powerful care a great deal about us and what we believe. That is is why there is 24/7 lie telling broadcast over your TV.

When it profits them.
They don't just make things up for shits and giggles and get us to believe it, spending considerable resources on doing so.
Weapons of mass destruction gave them an excuse to invade a country, wipe out a dictator, replace it with a puppet government which they can manipulate for things like cheap oil, kept the people they wanted in power, gave them excuses to prop up the military and have all those people making guns and other things for the military get lots of money.

Short term? - Control

Long term? - Continued control.

They already have that without needing to lie about the shape of Earth.
So what is it that lying about the shape of Earth gives them?

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 11:28:01 AM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 11:21:49 AM

The deceit keeps everyone down. We learn to see falsehood, and we see the world through that lens. Things are hidden behind curvature, places are able to be put higher than another to give undeserved status, geography and distance and the material become our concerns rather than spiritual growth.
The only recourse is to reject it and to help your soul grow, and by doing that allow yourself to see the world as it really is. Flat, all of us equal, all of us important, and the only status that matters is how much light we hold.

Lindsey

I'm sorry but we are not speaking about souls or spiritual things here. We are trying to make an argument based on facts and logic.

The spiritual argument is a whole other discussion.

The spirit is part of the world, and the most important part.

Lindsey

Ok, noted. But it still doesn't answer any of my questions

The only recourse is to reject it and to help your soul grow, and by doing that allow yourself to see the world as it really is. Flat, all of us equal, all of us important, and the only status that matters is how much light we hold.

No, that is only one course of action, which only delusional paranoid nutters will do.

The rational approach is to examine the available evidence and see what model matches reality.
For example, observing things disappear below the horizon, hidden by the curve of Earth, rather than thinking you are a useless piece of shit that can't even see something as simple as that properly.

You sure seem to like bringing in a lot of negativity with your continued insults that we can't even observe reality.

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 11:21:49 AM

The only recourse is to reject it and to help your soul grow, and by doing that allow yourself to see the world as it really is. Flat, all of us equal, all of us important, and the only status that matters is how much light we hold.

No, that is only one course of action, which only delusional paranoid nutters will do.

The rational approach is to examine the available evidence and see what model matches reality.
For example, observing things disappear below the horizon, hidden by the curve of Earth, rather than thinking you are a useless piece of shit that can't even see something as simple as that properly.

You sure seem to like bringing in a lot of negativity with your continued insults that we can't even observe reality.

Joe doesn't advocate negativity, he lets us see the world in the best light. He helps all of us, even you if you wanted it, to grow. Objects will only disappear behind the horizon if you allow the material to get in the way of the spiritual. Almost all of us here have seen what really happens. It's a magical experience.

Lindsey

Quote from: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 12:41:41 PM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 11:21:49 AM

The only recourse is to reject it and to help your soul grow, and by doing that allow yourself to see the world as it really is. Flat, all of us equal, all of us important, and the only status that matters is how much light we hold.

No, that is only one course of action, which only delusional paranoid nutters will do.

The rational approach is to examine the available evidence and see what model matches reality.
For example, observing things disappear below the horizon, hidden by the curve of Earth, rather than thinking you are a useless piece of shit that can't even see something as simple as that properly.

You sure seem to like bringing in a lot of negativity with your continued insults that we can't even observe reality.

Joe doesn't advocate negativity, he lets us see the world in the best light. He helps all of us, even you if you wanted it, to grow. Objects will only disappear behind the horizon if you allow the material to get in the way of the spiritual. Almost all of us here have seen what really happens. It's a magical experience.

Lindsey

Yes, everything could be explained by magic. You are absolutely right.

But this is not what we are talking about. So please stay on the subject or just shut up (and I don't mean to be rude but I already told you once that this is not what we are talking about).

Joe doesn't advocate negativity, he lets us see the world in the best light.

See, this is negativity.
You are saying I am basically useless, incapable of seeing the world without his help.
This is insulting.

The basis of numerous religions is negativity like this.
They make you out to be worthless garbage (sometimes worthy of eternal torment), and offers to fix this for you or help you with it.
They fabricate a problem and sell you an equally fabricated "cure".
It is downright insulting to individuals and humanity in general.

He helps all of us, even you if you wanted it, to grow.

Again, more negativity.
I don't need to grow.
Stop acting like I am pathetic and can't see reality.

Objects will only disappear behind the horizon if you allow the material to get in the way of the spiritual.

i.e. allow reality to get in the way of delusional bullshit.
This is effectively admitting Earth is round, and it is only through delusions that you pretend it isn't.

Almost all of us here have seen what really happens. It's a magical experience.

I certainly have seen what really happens.
Earth gets in the way.

I wouldn't call your experience magical.
I would call it delusional.

Now then, do you have anything at all to address the topic at hand?

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself. Your soul is radiant, and can only become more so.
We are all souls, tricked into believing we are bodies. That is the one great lie that causes all of this, and the answer to the question. The material world deceives, the spirit does not. We, each of us, are souls living in a flat world, all of equal status and all valuable. The lie is from those that teach us we are meat, and that tell us our world gives us all different status, that some are higher than others, that it all is round rather than even. It surrounds us with negativity that we must try to free ourselves from.
If you train your spirit like you train your body, you will be able to see this. You are a wonder.

Please, don't call it delusion until you've experienced it.

Lindsey

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself.

You are the one telling me otherwise.
You are saying I am useless and incapable of seeing reality.
You are the one surrounding us with negativity saying we are being deceived and cannot see things for what they are.

Now either the topic at hand (in the OP), or go away.
If you want to continue your negativity do it in your own thread.

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:39:20 PM

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself.

You are the one telling me otherwise.
You are saying I am useless and incapable of seeing reality.
You are the one surrounding us with negativity saying we are being deceived and cannot see things for what they are.

Now either the topic at hand (in the OP), or go away.
If you want to continue your negativity do it in your own thread.

People will see what they want to. It is the same with the topic, and with this. If you are intent on searching for negativity, you will find it even in those that try to help you. If you will be ruled by the material, you will be mislead by it.
The only answer in each case is to grow and see the world as it is, and to see how much better it could be.

Lindsey

Quote from: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 01:50:32 PM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:39:20 PM

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself.

You are the one telling me otherwise.
You are saying I am useless and incapable of seeing reality.
You are the one surrounding us with negativity saying we are being deceived and cannot see things for what they are.

Now either the topic at hand (in the OP), or go away.
If you want to continue your negativity do it in your own thread.

People will see what they want to. It is the same with the topic, and with this. If you are intent on searching for negativity, you will find it even in those that try to help you. If you will be ruled by the material, you will be mislead by it.
The only answer in each case is to grow and see the world as it is, and to see how much better it could be.

Lindsey

Again, deal with the issues raised (directly, not with your garbage) or go away.

The topic most recently was what people have to gain from deceiving others about the shape of Earth.
Perhaps you can address that?
Why are we being deceived about the shape of Earth?
What is there to gain from it?

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:54:41 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 01:50:32 PM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:39:20 PM

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself.

You are the one telling me otherwise.
You are saying I am useless and incapable of seeing reality.
You are the one surrounding us with negativity saying we are being deceived and cannot see things for what they are.

Now either the topic at hand (in the OP), or go away.
If you want to continue your negativity do it in your own thread.

People will see what they want to. It is the same with the topic, and with this. If you are intent on searching for negativity, you will find it even in those that try to help you. If you will be ruled by the material, you will be mislead by it.
The only answer in each case is to grow and see the world as it is, and to see how much better it could be.

Lindsey

Again, deal with the issues raised (directly, not with your garbage) or go away.

The topic most recently was what people have to gain from deceiving others about the shape of Earth.
Perhaps you can address that?
Why are we being deceived about the shape of Earth?
What is there to gain from it?

The deception comes from the spiritually unenlightened, telling us what it is they believe. Their motivation is their own flaw, their flaw can be corrected but only if they seek to do so. They do not.
They tell us we are not beings of spirit, they tell us we are not all equal, they tell us to worry about more than our enlightenment. We are deceived as they are by the presence of the evil of humanity, which we all must fight with our own light.

Joe

can we get him/her banned? it's really annoying when people just won't stay on the subject. I get it. your spiritual things and everything else. nice.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 01:56:33 PM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:54:41 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on December 05, 2017, 01:50:32 PM

Quote from: 41317 on December 05, 2017, 01:39:20 PM

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself.

You are the one telling me otherwise.
You are saying I am useless and incapable of seeing reality.
You are the one surrounding us with negativity saying we are being deceived and cannot see things for what they are.

Now either the topic at hand (in the OP), or go away.
If you want to continue your negativity do it in your own thread.

People will see what they want to. It is the same with the topic, and with this. If you are intent on searching for negativity, you will find it even in those that try to help you. If you will be ruled by the material, you will be mislead by it.
The only answer in each case is to grow and see the world as it is, and to see how much better it could be.

Lindsey

Again, deal with the issues raised (directly, not with your garbage) or go away.

The topic most recently was what people have to gain from deceiving others about the shape of Earth.
Perhaps you can address that?
Why are we being deceived about the shape of Earth?
What is there to gain from it?

The deception comes from the spiritually unenlightened, telling us what it is they believe. Their motivation is their own flaw, their flaw can be corrected but only if they seek to do so. They do not.
They tell us we are not beings of spirit, they tell us we are not all equal, they tell us to worry about more than our enlightenment. We are deceived as they are by the presence of the evil of humanity, which we all must fight with our own light.

Joe

Who the fuck are you to decide who is "enlightened"?

This is one of the biggest problems I have with this flat earth bullshit... These so called "free thinkers" assume everyone else isn't using their mind, that they are somehow gifted with greater intelligence than an absolute PLETHORA of great minds. Literally, the most intelligent minds on the planet!

I sure as fuck don't need a handful of cultists, posting on a single profile, telling me I'm not "enlightened".

Go drink your Kool-Aid!

You are valuable. You are capable of wonders. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, not even yourself. Your soul is radiant, and can only become more so.
We are all souls, tricked into believing we are bodies. That is the one great lie that causes all of this, and the answer to the question. The material world deceives, the spirit does not. We, each of us, are souls living in a flat world, all of equal status and all valuable. The lie is from those that teach us we are meat, and that tell us our world gives us all different status, that some are higher than others, that it all is round rather than even. It surrounds us with negativity that we must try to free ourselves from.
If you train your spirit like you train your body, you will be able to see this. You are a wonder.

Please, don't call it delusion until you've experienced it.

Lindsey

D1?

The deception comes from the spiritually unenlightened, telling us what it is they believe. Their motivation is their own flaw, their flaw can be corrected but only if they seek to do so. They do not.
They tell us we are not beings of spirit, they tell us we are not all equal, they tell us to worry about more than our enlightenment. We are deceived as they are by the presence of the evil of humanity, which we all must fight with our own light.

There you go with the insults and negativity again (and projection as well).
But from this you are indicating that they are not deceiving people. Instead, they are claiming Earth is round and promoting this because that is the way it appears.

That sure seems like it is indicating Earth actually is round.

Listen "Lindsey".

I just wanted some answers that could be proved with science. What you are bringing up is a whole other issue, so please just stick to my questions or find another discussion where your arguments are more suitable to the topic.

If you are so enlightened then you should understand this simple request

Listen "Lindsey".

I just wanted some answers that could be proved with science. What you are bringing up is a whole other issue, so please just stick to my questions or find another discussion where your arguments are more suitable to the topic.

If you are so enlightened then you should understand this simple request

Science is not everything, it doesn't allow for the reality of subjective perception. If you were asked to prove that you were happy, what would you do? You could act a certain way, but that can be faked. You could take a brain scan, but how would you prove those lights correspond to how you feel?


She answered the question that you asked. If you dislike answers that go beyond the material that is your choice, but please be open to the possibility that there is more to the world.

Joe

Quote from: Pixie on December 06, 2017, 05:51:37 AM

Listen "Lindsey".

I just wanted some answers that could be proved with science. What you are bringing up is a whole other issue, so please just stick to my questions or find another discussion where your arguments are more suitable to the topic.

If you are so enlightened then you should understand this simple request

Science is not everything, it doesn't allow for the reality of subjective perception. If you were asked to prove that you were happy, what would you do? You could act a certain way, but that can be faked. You could take a brain scan, but how would you prove those lights correspond to how you feel?

Our perception of the world is entirely personal

She answered the question that you asked. If you dislike answers that go beyond the material that is your choice, but please be open to the possibility that there is more to the world.

Joe

I am open to other possibilities. But in this exact moment, with this exact post, I was asking for an answer which implied scientifical facts.

Of course there can be something other than science, but my post was (let's say) putting aside anything other than science.

Do you understand now?

You keep avoiding my point.

How?

I get that they would do this to control us, but how is it any different from controlling us if the earth is flat?

Whether they say it's round or flat, they would still have control over us, over everything. A fantasy of an existing space is just something that costs them too much and doesn't bring to them any more control over us than the one they already have.

Control established via a lie is evidently much more effective than control established via a trusting/loving/honest relationship.

As a matter of fact, most persons would argue a trusting/loving/honest relationship results in the most freedom for those persons involved in such relationships.

I love my girlfriend. I do not want control over her. I want her to do her own thing and I will do mine.

Look, freemasonry knows exactly what is going on and the craft actually tells you what is going when the meeting adjourns. The meetings always take place on the level.

Any other questions?

Any other questions?

Yes.  What specific material gain is provided by the specific lie regarding the shape of the world?  Please don't answer in broad strokes of what conspiracy can do and control in general.  There are hundreds of trillions of lies that could be told, many of which have immediate objective and identifiable returns.  Why lie about the shape of the planet?  What is there to be gained from that lie in particular.

I guess it's the same question, but since it hasn't been answered yet, I think it's okay to ask again.

Science is not everything, it doesn't allow for the reality of subjective perception.

Because it cares about OBJECTIVE REALITY!

If you were asked to prove that you were happy, what would you do?

How about you try discussing the topic at hand, THE SHAPE OF EARTH!

She answered the question that you asked.

No, she completely ignored it.

If you dislike answers that go beyond the material that is your choice, but please be open to the possibility that there is more to the world.

And you need to be open to the highly likely possibility that your spiritual nonsense is just a load of crap which has no bearing on objective reality.

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 09:51:02 AM

You keep avoiding my point.

How?

By repeatedly failing to address the issue.

You are yet to explain how convincing people Earth is round gives them some benefit.
The ability to convince people of a lie (and associated benefits) exists (or doesn't) regardless of if they have convinced people that Earth is round.

So why convince people Earth is round?

Control established via a lie is evidently much more effective than control established via a trusting/loving/honest relationship.

Evidently based on what?
Look at all the monarchies which have based their control on a lie which have lost all (or almost all) of their power.

As a matter of fact, most persons would argue a trusting/loving/honest relationship results in the most freedom for those persons involved in such relationships.

Only because they don't want to control each other.

Any other questions?

Nope, just the same one. Why lie and claim Earth is round? What benefit is there?
Note: this can't be a benefit of lying to people or being able to convince people of a lie. It needs to specifically be about Earth being round.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on December 04, 2017, 03:00:02 PM

There would be no profit in this big scam...

This video, (Thanks Rab), breaks it down very nicely.

That's exactly what I thought. Nobody would profit from it and it would be litterally impossible to make so many people maintain the secret. Great video!

Only a handful of people have ever been to space to actually confirm. Lots of them are dead, and space agencies receive lots of money to do what they do. I'd keep my mouth shut for 200k USD a year for the rest of my life, I don't know about you.

The fact is that not that many people would actually have to know, and it would be a source of income for those who do know to just keep their mouths shut and continue the sham, so I'm not sure what's so hard to believe.

Oh, and there is no dome.

That should alleviate most of your concerns.

Quote from: Pixie on December 04, 2017, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on December 04, 2017, 03:00:02 PM

There would be no profit in this big scam...

This video, (Thanks Rab), breaks it down very nicely.

That's exactly what I thought. Nobody would profit from it and it would be litterally impossible to make so many people maintain the secret. Great video!

Only a handful of people have ever been to space to actually confirm. Lots of them are dead, and space agencies receive lots of money to do what they do. I'd keep my mouth shut for 200k USD a year for the rest of my life, I don't know about you.

The fact is that not that many people would actually have to know, and it would be a source of income for those who do know to just keep their mouths shut and continue the sham, so I'm not sure what's so hard to believe.

Oh, and there is no dome.

That should alleviate most of your concerns.

In the video it also explains how expensive it would be as a lie even if just a handful of people would know about it. it's not just about keeping them from telling the secret, it's about actually materially build everything that they use to convince us that space exists. that's why I think it's hard to believe.

And the fact that there is no dome, so the sky would have a kind of atmosphere that's "transparent" like the one in the RE theory and it separates us from the waters above? That could be a much nicer hypothesis than the self-sealing dome that someone else suggested. But it still would be hard to explain how it could be able to keep so much water away from earth.

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 09:59:23 AM

Quote from: Pixie on December 05, 2017, 09:51:02 AM

You keep avoiding my point.

How?

By repeatedly failing to address the issue.

Fuck off Jack.

You are full of shit.

How about letting the OP answer the fucking question.

You are yet to explain how convincing people Earth is round gives them some benefit.
The ability to convince people of a lie (and associated benefits) exists (or doesn't) regardless of if they have convinced people that Earth is round.

So why convince people Earth is round?

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 09:59:23 AM

Control established via a lie is evidently much more effective than control established via a trusting/loving/honest relationship.

Evidently based on what?
Look at all the monarchies which have based their control on a lie which have lost all (or almost all) of their power.

We would look at them, except there are none to look at.

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 09:59:23 AM

As a matter of fact, most persons would argue a trusting/loving/honest relationship results in the most freedom for those persons involved in such relationships.

Only because they don't want to control each other.

Exactly, asshole.

Quote from: totallackey on December 06, 2017, 09:59:23 AM

Any other questions?

Nope, just the same one. Why lie and claim Earth is round? What benefit is there?
Note: this can't be a benefit of lying to people or being able to convince people of a lie. It needs to specifically be about Earth being round.

Note:You can't see the fucking forest because of the fucking trees, so like I wrote earlier.

Fuck off.

Shove a compass up your ass while you are at it.

And the fact that there is no dome, so the sky would have a kind of atmosphere that's "transparent" like the one in the RE theory and it separates us from the waters above? That could be a much nicer hypothesis than the self-sealing dome that someone else suggested. But it still would be hard to explain how it could be able to keep so much water away from earth.

You have never in your life encountered a substance that is capable of being pierced and sealing itself off after being pierced?

Only a handful of people have ever been to space to actually confirm. Lots of them are dead, and space agencies receive lots of money to do what they do.

Yes, lots of money THAT GETS SPENT!

I'd keep my mouth shut for 200k USD a year for the rest of my life, I don't know about you.

And who is getting this 200k USD a year?

The fact is that not that many people would actually have to know, and it would be a source of income for those who do know to just keep their mouths shut and continue the sham, so I'm not sure what's so hard to believe.

No, loads of people would have to know, enough to make it so the money isn't worth the effort of lying.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

Quote from: Pixie on December 04, 2017, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on December 04, 2017, 03:00:02 PM

There would be no profit in this big scam...

This video, (Thanks Rab), breaks it down very nicely.

That's exactly what I thought. Nobody would profit from it and it would be litterally impossible to make so many people maintain the secret. Great video!

Only a handful of people have ever been to space to actually confirm. Lots of them are dead, and space agencies receive lots of money to do what they do. I'd keep my mouth shut for 200k USD a year for the rest of my life, I don't know about you.

The fact is that not that many people would actually have to know, and it would be a source of income for those who do know to just keep their mouths shut and continue the sham, so I'm not sure what's so hard to believe.

Oh, and there is no dome.

That should alleviate most of your concerns.

In the video it also explains how expensive it would be as a lie even if just a handful of people would know about it. it's not just about keeping them from telling the secret, it's about actually materially build everything that they use to convince us that space exists. that's why I think it's hard to believe.

And the fact that there is no dome, so the sky would have a kind of atmosphere that's "transparent" like the one in the RE theory and it separates us from the waters above? That could be a much nicer hypothesis than the self-sealing dome that someone else suggested. But it still would be hard to explain how it could be able to keep so much water away from earth.

They can lie about that too, though. The lunar lander looks like it's made of aluminum foil and cardboard.
There's no "sky water" or "firmament". Modern FET is not religion based.
It's the same as the atmosphere, we just call it the atmoplane.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

Only a handful of people have ever been to space to actually confirm. Lots of them are dead, and space agencies receive lots of money to do what they do.

Yes, lots of money THAT GETS SPENT!

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

I'd keep my mouth shut for 200k USD a year for the rest of my life, I don't know about you.

And who is getting this 200k USD a year?

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

The fact is that not that many people would actually have to know, and it would be a source of income for those who do know to just keep their mouths shut and continue the sham, so I'm not sure what's so hard to believe.

No, loads of people would have to know, enough to make it so the money isn't worth the effort of lying.

Oh yeah? Spent of what? Are you the head accountant at NASA?

Everyone who's ever been to space is getting it. Probably more.

Loads of people? Please, explain.

Oh yeah? Spent of what? Are you the head accountant at NASA?

Why would I need to be the head accountant. They are launching rockets, with lots of fuel and payloads which would be a complete waste of money.

Everyone who's ever been to space is getting it. Probably more.

So not much to spread around.

Loads of people? Please, explain.

Well, you have those high ups which know it all.
You then have the lower people that need to continually fake things from space.

You have trade offs in some area, where you either have all the people working on the fancy stuff you launch into space in on it, or you have them actually construct something which then is never used and probably lost for good wasting loads of money, with similar issues with those setting up the space craft for launch, where they either know or need to put loads of money into it.

Then you have other people not directly tied to NASA, such as meteorologists that use satellite data and the like for weather forecasting, TV and internet companies that use satellites for their purposes, those that install satellite dishes, GPS including the coders some of which is completely open; and so on.

So there are loads of people that need to be in on it.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:52:27 PM

Oh yeah? Spent of what? Are you the head accountant at NASA?

Why would I need to be the head accountant. They are launching rockets, with lots of fuel and payloads which would be a complete waste of money.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:52:27 PM

Everyone who's ever been to space is getting it. Probably more.

So not much to spread around.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on December 06, 2017, 12:52:27 PM

Loads of people? Please, explain.

Well, you have those high ups which know it all.
You then have the lower people that need to continually fake things from space.

You have trade offs in some area, where you either have all the people working on the fancy stuff you launch into space in on it, or you have them actually construct something which then is never used and probably lost for good wasting loads of money, with similar issues with those setting up the space craft for launch, where they either know or need to put loads of money into it.

Then you have other people not directly tied to NASA, such as meteorologists that use satellite data and the like for weather forecasting, TV and internet companies that use satellites for their purposes, those that install satellite dishes, GPS including the coders some of which is completely open; and so on.

So there are loads of people that need to be in on it.

How many rockets do they launch a year? How much does a rocket that doesn't need to go to space cost?
How much does a rocket that does need to go to space cost?
Why would any of the engineers have any idea what actually happens to those things after they "leave the atmosphere"?
Every satellite that gets launched into orbit needs to go through NASA by law.
As for data, does a meteorologist build and send a satellite into space, or do they just get handed a data set? What are you even talking about?

so, if the "sky waters" don't exist, where do the asteroids come from? Does "space" still exists outside of the atmoplane?