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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2017, 12:25:58 PM »
Caleb, sorry to hear about your car wreck.

Do you think Joe can fix my fucked up knee?

The spiritual affects the spiritual, the physical affects the physical. Ask a doctor if you have an injury to repair, altering the physical world can only be done if all souls involved are at or near the first stage.
If you suffer from persistent pain however there are exercises that can be done to make it less significant. Being able to calm and control your mind, or focus all your attention on one detail at the exclusion of other, are techniques we teach. They offer both control over our souls, and have benefits such as making pain far more bearable.

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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2017, 12:58:59 PM »
Caleb, sorry to hear about your car wreck.

Do you think Joe can fix my fucked up knee?

The spiritual affects the spiritual, the physical affects the physical. Ask a doctor if you have an injury to repair, altering the physical world can only be done if all souls involved are at or near the first stage.
If you suffer from persistent pain however there are exercises that can be done to make it less significant. Being able to calm and control your mind, or focus all your attention on one detail at the exclusion of other, are techniques we teach. They offer both control over our souls, and have benefits such as making pain far more bearable.

Lindsey


It's ACL, PCL, MCL and meniscus damage.

Joe cured Caleb, why do you think he would refuse to cure me?
Did you even ask him before you posted?

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« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2017, 01:05:06 PM »
Caleb, sorry to hear about your car wreck.

Do you think Joe can fix my fucked up knee?

The spiritual affects the spiritual, the physical affects the physical. Ask a doctor if you have an injury to repair, altering the physical world can only be done if all souls involved are at or near the first stage.
If you suffer from persistent pain however there are exercises that can be done to make it less significant. Being able to calm and control your mind, or focus all your attention on one detail at the exclusion of other, are techniques we teach. They offer both control over our souls, and have benefits such as making pain far more bearable.

Lindsey


It's ACL, PCL, MCL and meniscus damage.

Joe cured Caleb, why do you think he would refuse to cure me?
Did you even ask him before you posted?

I am aware of what Joe teaches. He did not cure Caleb, he made the injury easier to live with. I was here at the time, I remember Joe helping him through the physical therapy he was assigned, giving encouragement, and on breaks teaching the Way of the Sacred Steps, letting him recover in spirit as well as in body.

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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2017, 02:03:53 PM »
I'd go with a naked Anthony Hopkins sporting a cock ring.



This is clearly not my profession.

This is probably the best post of 2017.
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« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2017, 02:12:47 PM »
Am I the only one who finds this recent trend hilarious? Dispute thought he turned into a collective, Intikam changed his name to brotherhood, and now we've got 41317 who is literally a commune. This forum is the best.
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« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2017, 02:45:55 PM »
Who decides a cult member's rank?

They aren't ranks like that, just marks of progress. Joe is the best at identifying how far we've come.

Oooh I get it. Joe gets to decide what his rank is because he has the highest rank of all of you, and you know that because he decided what his rank is, because his is the highest. Ok.
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« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2017, 02:50:55 PM »
Who decides a cult member's rank?

They aren't ranks like that, just marks of progress. Joe is the best at identifying how far we've come.

Oooh I get it. Joe gets to decide what his rank is because he has the highest rank of all of you, and you know that because he decided what his rank is, because his is the highest. Ok.

He didn't decide, he worked towards it. They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2017, 02:51:54 PM »
Who decides a cult member's rank?

They aren't ranks like that, just marks of progress. Joe is the best at identifying how far we've come.

Oooh I get it. Joe gets to decide what his rank is because he has the highest rank of all of you, and you know that because he decided what his rank is, because his is the highest. Ok.

He didn't decide, he worked towards it. They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

Lindsey

Yeah, I'm sorry. He didn't decide, he declared.
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« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2017, 02:58:58 PM »
Who decides a cult member's rank?

They aren't ranks like that, just marks of progress. Joe is the best at identifying how far we've come.

Oooh I get it. Joe gets to decide what his rank is because he has the highest rank of all of you, and you know that because he decided what his rank is, because his is the highest. Ok.

He didn't decide, he worked towards it. They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

Lindsey

Yeah, I'm sorry. He didn't decide, he declared.

Do not ask a question if your mind is closed to the response.

Lindsey
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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2017, 03:05:14 PM »
You said there aren't ranks, instead there are marks of progress. How exactly is that different?

Also, I have a question about this:
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altering the physical world can only be done if all souls involved are at or near the first stage.

What is the first stage? What other stages are there?

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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2017, 03:07:53 PM »
Who decides a cult member's rank?

They aren't ranks like that, just marks of progress. Joe is the best at identifying how far we've come.

Oooh I get it. Joe gets to decide what his rank is because he has the highest rank of all of you, and you know that because he decided what his rank is, because his is the highest. Ok.

He didn't decide, he worked towards it. They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

Lindsey

Yeah, I'm sorry. He didn't decide, he declared.

Do not ask a question if your mind is closed to the response.

Lindsey

I didn't ask a question. I'm sorry I pissed you off Lindsey, I hope Hector or Joe or Chloe or whoever else don't hold a grudge.
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« Reply #131 on: December 12, 2017, 03:14:38 PM »
You said there aren't ranks, instead there are marks of progress. How exactly is that different?

Also, I have a question about this:
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altering the physical world can only be done if all souls involved are at or near the first stage.

What is the first stage? What other stages are there?

Ranks imply one person is greater than another. We do not believe that, we believe all people are miracles.
There are seventeen stages total, they are listed on the website, it would take a while to go into them here.

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« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2017, 03:16:33 PM »
They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

Lindsey persona, have you ever questioned Joe's absolute authority over his cult?

Tell him it's his turn to do the dishes. Report back to us.

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« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »
They aren't ranks, we don't have a hierarchy.

Lindsey persona, have you ever questioned Joe's absolute authority over his cult?

Tell him it's his turn to do the dishes. Report back to us.

What is it that makes you think he has absolute authority and that he doesn't already do the dishes?
Do not seek out negativity, you will poison yourself. There is none here for you to find. See the world as it is, do not let negativity cloud your brilliant mind.

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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2017, 03:26:58 PM »

There are seventeen stages total, they are listed on the website, it would take a while to go into them here.

Lindsey



Their Commodore 64 does not allow cut and paste.
Lucky thing I don't rely on dial-up.........


The 17th stage is the lowest. Those here are incapable of even empathy.

The 16th stage are driven by negative impulses.

The 15th stage marks the first true progress as they let light into themselves.

The 14th stage are at a true balance of positivity and negativity.

The 13th stage still struggle with conditions such as depression and anxiety.

The 12th stage are now fighting the great evils, such as greed and selfishness, and have transcended the smaller.

The 11th stage are almost purely good, having shaken off much of the evil of being.

The 10th stage have started on the path to true enlightenment. This is when the Sacred Steps truly begin.

The 9th stage are capable of entering into a complete meditative trance easily.

The 8th stage have the gift of truth. If you speak honestly, all but the closed minded will understand and believe you. Those at and past this stage are of paramount importance when spreading the truth.

The 7th stage begin to be capable of certain skills. There are reports of premonitions.

Those at the 6th stage are the visionaries and geniuses of the world.

Those at the 5th stage are the prophets.

The 4th stage are at peace with themselves.

The 3rd stage have the ability to truly perceive the world as it is, not ruled by the sickness spread by those that mean ill.

Those at the 2nd stage are capable of feats such as astral projection and understanding auras.

The 1st stage is godhood. Only a handful of people throughout history, such as Christ and Barachiel, have attained it.





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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
Sure looks like ranks to me. I don't really understand how one could not interpret each stage as a rank. That is a very well-defined hierarchy right there!

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« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2017, 03:43:58 PM »
So is Master Mister Joe a stage 1 or a stage 2, by his own estimation?

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« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2017, 03:57:21 PM »
I'm still trying to figure out what the number 41317 means. Do you live in the Hardshell, Kentucky area? For someone who want's to avoid negativity in their life.  You sure picked the wrong group.  I don't think you are going to find any converts here.

It can better be read as 4-13-17, three numbers that make a number of cultures nervous because they indicate how far they have to go.

Joe

Now you got me with the 4-13-17 thing.  I'm coming up with a few things. It could be -26. It could be the date that the US dropped our MOAB bomb on Afghanistan. And there are a bunch of Bible chapters and verses that could be applied.  Man, I do love a good puzzle!

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« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2017, 04:01:57 PM »
The Sacred Steps adherents believe in 17 stages apparently, so I bet those numbers somehow relate directly to the stages Moose posted above.

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« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2017, 04:12:13 PM »
So is Master Mister Joe a stage 1 or a stage 2, by his own estimation?
Stage 2.

The 4-13-17 comes from the averages in various areas. In much of the west the average is stage 13, in Italy it is 17, in locales such as China and Japan it is 4. Not everyone will be at that number, but it is a starting point.

If anything, view them as grades rather than ranks. We would not follow someone at a higher stage as a leader, though we would take their advice just as you'd accept being tutored in math by someone with a better grade.

Lindsey
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Re: Greetings!
« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2017, 04:14:06 PM »
Who came up with the ranks?

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« Reply #141 on: December 12, 2017, 04:15:48 PM »
Who came up with the ranks?
They were communicated to Joe by a soul that had attained the first stage, and he communicated them to us. No one 'came up' with them, they describe the progress of human souls on their journey. When you alter stage you do truly feel it, it is more than an abstract.

Lindsey
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« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2017, 04:20:31 PM »
Who told you Joe's rank?

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« Reply #143 on: December 12, 2017, 04:29:22 PM »
So is Master Mister Joe a stage 1 or a stage 2, by his own estimation?
Stage 2.

The 4-13-17 comes from the averages in various areas. In much of the west the average is stage 13, in Italy it is 17, in locales such as China and Japan it is 4. Not everyone will be at that number, but it is a starting point.

If anything, view them as grades rather than ranks. We would not follow someone at a higher stage as a leader, though we would take their advice just as you'd accept being tutored in math by someone with a better grade.

Lindsey

Well, that's a bummer.  They are just relativistic numbers.

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« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2017, 04:32:11 PM »

It can better be read as 4-13-17, three numbers that make a number of cultures nervous because they indicate how far they have to go.

Joe



Us verses Them. Typical cult dogma.

4:13-17 . . .

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Then Jesus said to them, “Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
The farmer sows the word. Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown.
As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word ...


Translation:

Joe is good and love, just obey him. Do as the Joe decrees for the Joe knows all and those whom wallow in His wisdom shall be rewarded with Joe's love. They who fail to adhere to Joe's teachings shall forever be without Joe's blessings and guidance.

And, if you're cute, he'll say you used to be his wife in a past life so he still gets to fuck you.

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« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2017, 04:51:01 PM »
Question regarding some of the details of these levels, I wish to attain the power to crush my enemies windpipes using the power of the sacred steps. Which level grants me this ability?
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« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2017, 05:19:57 PM »
Who told you Joe's rank?

Chloe, though as I'm sure you're getting at she did hear it from Joe first. We see it however, each day he is capable of demonstrating the gifts only a soul at the second stage possess. It is easier for him at the commune, away from all the negativity, but his soul is truly wonderful. It's part of why I love him.

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« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2017, 05:25:56 PM »
Question regarding some of the details of these levels, I wish to attain the power to crush my enemies windpipes using the power of the sacred steps. Which level grants me this ability?

Darth . . .


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« Reply #148 on: December 12, 2017, 05:32:31 PM »
I went back and read the earlier posts.

So let's just outline some key facts.

1) Joe told some people he had special knowledge that only he could teach
2) Joe told those people that the person who gave him the special knowledge also told him about 17 specific enlightenment levels
3) Joe told those people that of all the levels of enlightenment, he was the second highest, surpassed only by the one that gave him the special knowledge he claimed to have
4) Joe told those people that he had a special power to see into their souls and tell them what level of enlightenment they were currently at. Surprise! They were all lower.
5) Joe graciously offered to teach them how to be better, like him, at his commune where he could watch over them.


Did I miss any important, high-level details?

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« Reply #149 on: December 12, 2017, 05:35:13 PM »
I want to know what level I'm at. Joe?
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