What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?

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sceptimatic

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2017, 10:41:56 AM »

Did you try it?  It works on the small model exactly as it does on the earth.  This is literally something you can test yourself.
I've tried many experiments on this and the globe absolutely does not work with it.
It really does not work.
Interesting.  I once lived next to a mountain.  At sunset I could watch the sun disappear behind the horizon.  Then I could turn around and see that the sun was still shining on the mountain.  I could watch the shadow line slowly move up the mountain.  If you were standing on the mountain you would still be seeing the sun.
This matches perfectly with a globe earth rotating and a large distant sun.
How does it match a flat earth?
If the sun was still shining on the mountain then it would also show a flat Earth.
If it supposedly dropped under the globe as you and the mountain move away from it then there would be no shadow.


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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2017, 10:46:24 AM »

Evidence? Seen it myself through a modern Theodelite.
No problem. You stick to your stance.
I'm not here to convert you I'm here to put my points across and for those who have an interest and a questioning mind to look over if they wish.

I can't expect you to change and nor can I expect you to accept anything I say.
When the time's right for you to question your global model you'll do it or maybe you'll never do it.


Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2017, 10:59:04 AM »

Evidence? Seen it myself through a modern Theodelite.
No problem. You stick to your stance.
I'm not here to convert you I'm here to put my points across and for those who have an interest and a questioning mind to look over if they wish.

I can't expect you to change and nor can I expect you to accept anything I say.
When the time's right for you to question your global model you'll do it or maybe you'll never do it.
So you have zero evidence for a claim that there is no dip angle to the horizon other than to attack me and deflect to a different unrelated issue? Gotcha.

Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2017, 11:06:08 AM »

Did you try it?  It works on the small model exactly as it does on the earth.  This is literally something you can test yourself.
I've tried many experiments on this and the globe absolutely does not work with it.
It really does not work.
Interesting.  I once lived next to a mountain.  At sunset I could watch the sun disappear behind the horizon.  Then I could turn around and see that the sun was still shining on the mountain.  I could watch the shadow line slowly move up the mountain.  If you were standing on the mountain you would still be seeing the sun.
This matches perfectly with a globe earth rotating and a large distant sun.
How does it match a flat earth?
If the sun was still shining on the mountain then it would also show a flat Earth.
If it supposedly dropped under the globe as you and the mountain move away from it then there would be no shadow.
How could the Sun shining on only the top of a mountain show a flat Earth?  You say "there would be no shadow" and yet there is. 

We have to do it the opposite way for my personal example, but I have been on Mt. Desert Island in Maine and watched the sunlight move down from the top of a seaside hill.  Those of us at sea level could not see the Sun as it hadn't come up over the horizon.  Those on top of the hill could see the Sun, as it was over the horizon for them.  My personally verifiable evidence of this fact is the sunlight clearly on the top of the hill and a shadow terminator slowly moving down the hillside until the Sun actually crested my horizon. 

It would be the same principle but opposite effect for sunset.  People at lower height observing a shadow slowly moving up the building/mountain until the Sun finally sets (later) at the top. 

This observation is undeniable fact, repeatable for anyone and everyone, requiring no special knowledge, training, or equipment, and it's a fact that has no explanation in a flat Earth model (without causing a different problem that is also easily debunked). 

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2017, 11:09:11 AM »

Evidence? Seen it myself through a modern Theodelite.
No problem. You stick to your stance.
I'm not here to convert you I'm here to put my points across and for those who have an interest and a questioning mind to look over if they wish.

I can't expect you to change and nor can I expect you to accept anything I say.
When the time's right for you to question your global model you'll do it or maybe you'll never do it.
So you have zero evidence for a claim that there is no dip angle to the horizon other than to attack me and deflect to a different unrelated issue? Gotcha.
There's no attack.
Enjoy your dip angle that makes no sense at all.

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sceptimatic

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2017, 11:12:01 AM »

Did you try it?  It works on the small model exactly as it does on the earth.  This is literally something you can test yourself.
I've tried many experiments on this and the globe absolutely does not work with it.
It really does not work.
Interesting.  I once lived next to a mountain.  At sunset I could watch the sun disappear behind the horizon.  Then I could turn around and see that the sun was still shining on the mountain.  I could watch the shadow line slowly move up the mountain.  If you were standing on the mountain you would still be seeing the sun.
This matches perfectly with a globe earth rotating and a large distant sun.
How does it match a flat earth?
If the sun was still shining on the mountain then it would also show a flat Earth.
If it supposedly dropped under the globe as you and the mountain move away from it then there would be no shadow.
How could the Sun shining on only the top of a mountain show a flat Earth?  You say "there would be no shadow" and yet there is. 

We have to do it the opposite way for my personal example, but I have been on Mt. Desert Island in Maine and watched the sunlight move down from the top of a seaside hill.  Those of us at sea level could not see the Sun as it hadn't come up over the horizon.  Those on top of the hill could see the Sun, as it was over the horizon for them.  My personally verifiable evidence of this fact is the sunlight clearly on the top of the hill and a shadow terminator slowly moving down the hillside until the Sun actually crested my horizon. 

It would be the same principle but opposite effect for sunset.  People at lower height observing a shadow slowly moving up the building/mountain until the Sun finally sets (later) at the top. 

This observation is undeniable fact, repeatable for anyone and everyone, requiring no special knowledge, training, or equipment, and it's a fact that has no explanation in a flat Earth model (without causing a different problem that is also easily debunked).
Just stick to the ocean, it's much simpler and much easier to see the global nonsense for what it is.
My diagrams perfectly illustrate that the globe model is not only wrong but a horrendously disgraceful dupe.

Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2017, 11:16:49 AM »

Did you try it?  It works on the small model exactly as it does on the earth.  This is literally something you can test yourself.
I've tried many experiments on this and the globe absolutely does not work with it.
It really does not work.
Interesting.  I once lived next to a mountain.  At sunset I could watch the sun disappear behind the horizon.  Then I could turn around and see that the sun was still shining on the mountain.  I could watch the shadow line slowly move up the mountain.  If you were standing on the mountain you would still be seeing the sun.
This matches perfectly with a globe earth rotating and a large distant sun.
How does it match a flat earth?
If the sun was still shining on the mountain then it would also show a flat Earth.
If it supposedly dropped under the globe as you and the mountain move away from it then there would be no shadow.
How could the Sun shining on only the top of a mountain show a flat Earth?  You say "there would be no shadow" and yet there is. 

We have to do it the opposite way for my personal example, but I have been on Mt. Desert Island in Maine and watched the sunlight move down from the top of a seaside hill.  Those of us at sea level could not see the Sun as it hadn't come up over the horizon.  Those on top of the hill could see the Sun, as it was over the horizon for them.  My personally verifiable evidence of this fact is the sunlight clearly on the top of the hill and a shadow terminator slowly moving down the hillside until the Sun actually crested my horizon. 

It would be the same principle but opposite effect for sunset.  People at lower height observing a shadow slowly moving up the building/mountain until the Sun finally sets (later) at the top. 

This observation is undeniable fact, repeatable for anyone and everyone, requiring no special knowledge, training, or equipment, and it's a fact that has no explanation in a flat Earth model (without causing a different problem that is also easily debunked).
Just stick to the ocean, it's much simpler and much easier to see the global nonsense for what it is.
My diagrams perfectly illustrate that the globe model is not only wrong but a horrendously disgraceful dupe.
Let's not just stick to the ocean.  Why don't you explain a simple, everyday observation?  How can the top of a building/mountain be sunlit while the bottom is in shadow?  If you actually think about this question and how to answer it with the open, logical mind you claim to have, you might be surprised at the only logical answer that presents itself.

Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2017, 11:28:17 AM »

Did you try it?  It works on the small model exactly as it does on the earth.  This is literally something you can test yourself.
I've tried many experiments on this and the globe absolutely does not work with it.
It really does not work.
Interesting.  I once lived next to a mountain.  At sunset I could watch the sun disappear behind the horizon.  Then I could turn around and see that the sun was still shining on the mountain.  I could watch the shadow line slowly move up the mountain.  If you were standing on the mountain you would still be seeing the sun.
This matches perfectly with a globe earth rotating and a large distant sun.
How does it match a flat earth?
If the sun was still shining on the mountain then it would also show a flat Earth.
If it supposedly dropped under the globe as you and the mountain move away from it then there would be no shadow.
No, that's not correct.  If it were flat and the sun was moving away it would leave the top of the mountain first.
Try it with a LED flashlight, one that has a good focus with sharp edges.  Put some tall glass or something on the floor.  Now move the flashlight towards and away from it.
If you do this you will find it is exactly opposite of what we observe.
Now get a large ball and tape an item to it.  Put the flashlight some distance away and turn the ball.
You will find the effect is exactly the same as what we observe on earth.

Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2017, 11:44:42 AM »

Evidence? Seen it myself through a modern Theodelite.
No problem. You stick to your stance.
I'm not here to convert you I'm here to put my points across and for those who have an interest and a questioning mind to look over if they wish.

I can't expect you to change and nor can I expect you to accept anything I say.
When the time's right for you to question your global model you'll do it or maybe you'll never do it.
So you have zero evidence for a claim that there is no dip angle to the horizon other than to attack me and deflect to a different unrelated issue? Gotcha.
There's no attack.
Enjoy your dip angle that makes no sense at all.
You not understanding something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. I'm sorry you can't understand why the horizon isn't actually exactly at eye level on the globe Earth.

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RocketSauce

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2017, 12:34:12 PM »
You have absolutely no physical proof to back any of it up.

What about satellites... I've seen them, and I use them for work and pleasure... and so do you, well... I don't know if or what you do for work... But for pleasure you do.
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omegaransom

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2017, 12:44:27 PM »
Moon rocks.
By that I don't mean that the moon rocks

But that the moon rocks brought back by USA and USSR
Can't be faked on earth.

If you believe they can be faked
Then do it.

And good luck.

it could easily be faked, it's not like moon rock is some miracle new element that could only be found on the moon
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RocketSauce

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2017, 12:46:50 PM »
No, Moon Rocks are very similar to the makeup of the Earths Crust... which is why they "believe" the moon was formed from an Earth collision early on...

No other planet has such a similar makeup to it's moon. Mars just has captured asteroids and the rest are gas giants.
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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2017, 01:42:22 PM »
Just stick to the ocean, it's much simpler and much easier to see the global nonsense for what it is.
My diagrams perfectly illustrate that the globe model is not only wrong but a horrendously disgraceful dupe.
Sure we'll stick to the ocean. So explain these with either the 5000 km high sun or your impossible magic mountain sun:

Sunrise - Black Sea HD
   
Hawaii Sunset with Green Flash
   
Sunset With Green Flash and Sailboat
Please explain how the full disc of the sun disappears behind the horizon!

The following photos are taken just before sunrise.
Please explain where these light rays are coming from
if not from the sun just below the horizon.


P.40 20170503 06.15 Clouds at Sunrise
          Please explain what illuminates
the underside of these clouds before sunrise!


P.61 20170710 06.35 Clouds Before Sunrise

No, your mish-mash of magic mountains and a close sun is obviously total rubbish. I can show you all the evidence that you could want that the angular size of the sun (and moon) does not change appreciably from rising to setting.
That and much other evidence proves that the sun and moon are very distant large objects.


Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2017, 02:21:02 PM »

Evidence? Seen it myself through a modern Theodelite.
No problem. You stick to your stance.
I'm not here to convert you I'm here to put my points across and for those who have an interest and a questioning mind to look over if they wish.

I can't expect you to change and nor can I expect you to accept anything I say.
When the time's right for you to question your global model you'll do it or maybe you'll never do it.
So you have zero evidence for a claim that there is no dip angle to the horizon other than to attack me and deflect to a different unrelated issue? Gotcha.
There's no attack.
Enjoy your dip angle that makes no sense at all.
Your inability to visualize something doesn't make it illogical.  The drop angle makes perfect sense in a spherical earth.

https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

Mike
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rabinoz

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2017, 02:51:33 PM »
There's no attack.
Enjoy your dip angle that makes no sense at all.
Your inability to visualize something doesn't make it illogical.  The drop angle makes perfect sense in a spherical earth.

https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

Mike
Here is a video where the full moon can be seen below eyelevel out the right hand side of a plane and sun can be seen  below eyelevel out the left hand side of the plane at the same time.

Flat Earth vs Globe - Sunset and Full Moon Rise both below eye level at 45,000 ft. Wolfie6020.

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ER22

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2017, 04:28:25 PM »
Moon rocks.
By that I don't mean that the moon rocks

But that the moon rocks brought back by USA and USSR
Can't be faked on earth.

If you believe they can be faked
Then do it.

And good luck.

it could easily be faked, it's not like moon rock is some miracle new element that could only be found on the moon

Like I said, then do it.
You would make yourself very famous and very rich.

The moon rocks have been changed by being hit with high energy cosmic rays.
Also the impact holes created by small meteors.

Not just NASA either.
Russia (used to be USSR) also has "faked" moon rocks

Show me a Flat Earth map that works.

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Macarios

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Re: What is the best evidence for a globe shaped Earth?
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2017, 06:49:28 PM »
Best proof is not a single proof. There is tons of such things.
Best proof is how everything fits together in Globe model, and for Flat model you have to create
many different models for different things, and for some to wait for convenient conditions.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.