Net Neutrality: WTF is it?

Factory fast food knows exactly what is in their cookie cutter assembly line offerings.
The food is engineered down to the milligram to trigger consumption.
They put in exact amounts of sugar, salt, fat, protein and pickles to make you crave the next bite. The food scientists in the test kitchens know what the food offerings are constructed from. They know the calorie count +/- 1%.

There is no reason they can't just let us know what we're eating.

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

How many calories in a gay wedding cake?

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

Why does America 'decide' net neutralities existence? Surely more enlightened countries could just Google the answer for you?

The way you talk, it's like you guys rule the whole world. Last I checked, I don't get to vote in your elections. Maybe if America wants the authority of policing the world, the polls for your President should be open to the worlds audience.

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

Factory fast food is as predictable as a can of chili. known contents.

Mom & Pop cook on-the-fly. An extra dollop of butter to mount a sauce adds 100 calories. It's custom work. I've been to M&P joints that serve larger portions to bigger guests.
How do they label that?

Aren't there more pressing issues government can try to solve?

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:22:36 PM

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

Why does America 'decide' net neutralities existence?

Because America invented the internet.

The way you talk, it's like you guys rule the whole world. Last I checked, I don't get to vote in your elections. Maybe if America wants the authority of policing the world, the polls for your President should be open to the worlds audience.

The net neutrality that we're talking about only refers to how US internet providers and carriers handle internet traffic.  Internet traffic that doesn't go through any US internet carriers will probably not be affected.

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:02:50 PM

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

Factory fast food is as predictable as a can of chili. known contents.

Mom & Pop cook on-the-fly. An extra dollop of butter to mount a sauce adds 100 calories. It's custom work. I've been to M&P joints that serve larger portions to bigger guests.
How do they label that?

Aren't there more pressing issues government can try to solve?

Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of its citizens should not be a pressing issue for government?

Quote from: Shifter on December 10, 2017, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:22:36 PM

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

Why does America 'decide' net neutralities existence?

Because America invented the internet.

Quote from: Shifter on December 10, 2017, 08:33:45 PM

The way you talk, it's like you guys rule the whole world. Last I checked, I don't get to vote in your elections. Maybe if America wants the authority of policing the world, the polls for your President should be open to the worlds audience.

The net neutrality that we're talking about only refers to how US internet providers and carriers handle internet traffic.  Internet traffic that doesn't go through any US internet carriers will probably not be affected.

We should charge foreigners double so we can have free internet.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2017, 08:38:07 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:02:50 PM

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

Factory fast food is as predictable as a can of chili. known contents.

Mom & Pop cook on-the-fly. An extra dollop of butter to mount a sauce adds 100 calories. It's custom work. I've been to M&P joints that serve larger portions to bigger guests.
How do they label that?

Aren't there more pressing issues government can try to solve?

Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of its citizens should not be a pressing issue for government?

Yes.

Government does not have citizens.
It is the other way around.
That concept is anathema to the rest of the disk.

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:22:36 PM

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

Why does America 'decide' net neutralities existence? Surely more enlightened countries could just Google the answer for you?

The way you talk, it's like you guys rule the whole world. Last I checked, I don't get to vote in your elections. Maybe if America wants the authority of policing the world, the polls for your President should be open to the worlds audience.

We may not be able to afford to ask you to google it for us.

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:43:14 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2017, 08:38:07 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:02:50 PM

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

Factory fast food is as predictable as a can of chili. known contents.

Mom & Pop cook on-the-fly. An extra dollop of butter to mount a sauce adds 100 calories. It's custom work. I've been to M&P joints that serve larger portions to bigger guests.
How do they label that?

Aren't there more pressing issues government can try to solve?

Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of its citizens should not be a pressing issue for government?

Yes.

Government does not have citizens.
It is the other way around.
That concept is anathema to the rest of the disk.

*sigh*  Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of a nation's citizens should not be a pressing issue for that nation's government?

Is that better, you pedantic prick?

In other news, a whole bunch of techies have signed a 43 page letter stating the proposed net neutrality repeal is based on a fundamentally flawed understanding of how the net works. This letter was signed by people who created the backbone of the internet.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/12/net-neutrality-repeal-based-on-false-description-of-internet-inventors-say/

Why do americans try to have sort of democratic institutes, when they anyway just sell to the highest bidder?
If you ask me, they should remove the president and put the 5 riches persons in charge. Wouldn't change anything anyway, so it wouldn't matter but at least be more honest.

Why do americans try to have sort of democratic institutes, when they anyway just sell to the highest bidder?
If you ask me, they should remove the president and put the 5 riches persons in charge. Wouldn't change anything anyway, so it wouldn't matter but at least be more honest.

Because while hyperbole is fun from a distance, it isn't great to base your government off of it.

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:22:36 PM

With net neutrality going away, we may never be able to Google the answer.

Why does America 'decide' net neutralities existence? Surely more enlightened countries could just Google the answer for you?

Dear Abby,

Could you google the following for me please? I have Comcast.

* Shark laser attachment
* Do penguins taste good
* How fast can penguins run
* callate cabron english translation

Your loyal reader,
Totes

Quote from: User324 on December 11, 2017, 10:27:03 PM

Why do americans try to have sort of democratic institutes, when they anyway just sell to the highest bidder?
If you ask me, they should remove the president and put the 5 riches persons in charge. Wouldn't change anything anyway, so it wouldn't matter but at least be more honest.

Because while hyperbole is fun from a distance, it isn't great to base your government off of it.

Not even sure if it was hyperbole to be honest.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2017, 08:53:13 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:43:14 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2017, 08:38:07 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 10, 2017, 08:02:50 PM

Factory fast food joints already publish their nutritional information.  It's the mom & pop places that don't (and would probably have a hard time even if they wanted to).

Factory fast food is as predictable as a can of chili. known contents.

Mom & Pop cook on-the-fly. An extra dollop of butter to mount a sauce adds 100 calories. It's custom work. I've been to M&P joints that serve larger portions to bigger guests.
How do they label that?

Aren't there more pressing issues government can try to solve?

Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of its citizens should not be a pressing issue for government?

Yes.

Government does not have citizens.
It is the other way around.
That concept is anathema to the rest of the disk.

*sigh*  Are you suggesting that the health and welfare of a nation's citizens should not be a pressing issue for that nation's government?

Is that better, you pedantic prick?

Governments job should be to write the rules and regulations,
not actively own and run the whole operation. , pedantic yes, but prick? You hurt my feelings.

Quote from: TotesReptilian on December 11, 2017, 11:07:21 PM

Quote from: User324 on December 11, 2017, 10:27:03 PM

Why do americans try to have sort of democratic institutes, when they anyway just sell to the highest bidder?
If you ask me, they should remove the president and put the 5 riches persons in charge. Wouldn't change anything anyway, so it wouldn't matter but at least be more honest.

Because while hyperbole is fun from a distance, it isn't great to base your government off of it.

Not even sure if it was hyperbole to be honest.

It's a constant tug of war between corporate and public interest. It looks bad right now, but there are good people on the other end of the rope. It doesn't pay to be fatalistic.

Live stream of the FCC vote to ass rape internet consumers.

Well here we go.

God damn this jackass looks smug.

I've never seen the comments fly by in the live chat part of youtube so fast.  I feel like I'm watching a kernel compile.

Have you checked to see if your identity was used by someone else to make comments about Net Neutrality? https://ag.ny.gov/FakeComments

I'd be surprised if it weren't.  Just because I have a name so common that it's almost not worth hiding.  It's on the same level of common as "John Smith".

Have you checked to see if your identity was used by someone else to make comments about Net Neutrality? https://ag.ny.gov/FakeComments

I tried but the search page never actually loaded. I'll try again when I'm not on a phone.

Well, they canceled net neutrality anyway.

RIP

Remaining options:

1. The courts.
2. Vote out the corporate stooges who support this in 2018 and 2020.
3. Constitutional amendment via state legislatures.

https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/

There's hope.  It'll just take a while. 

Not treating data like a utility just isn't practical for a high tech economy.  So I don't see how this can stick in the long run.

But for now #maga! 

https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/

There's hope.  It'll just take a while. 

Not treating data like a utility just isn't practical for a high tech economy.  So I don't see how this can stick in the long run.

But for now #maga!

Hopefully the court issues a stay. Preferably one that lasts until 2020.

I hold no hope for this in Congress. This is largely seen as a partisan issue by the ones in power, even if it isn't seen that way by us plebians they rule over. It has Obama's name on it, therefore no republican can support it.

I looked up my name on that link SCG.  It doesn't appear my identity was used to post fake comments, but of the 11 comments that matched my name, only 1 was against the repeal.  The 10 that were for the repeal had 3 different texts to them, meaning most were copy & paste jobs.  A dutiful government agency would have at least delayed a vote since there does appear to be an issue with authenticity.