Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?

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Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:00:16 PM »
This guy doesn't seem to think so.

The daredevil/limo driver has been called a little bit of everything over his career — eccentric, quirky, foolhardy. Doesn't bother him. He believes what he believes, including that the Earth is flat. He knows this thought is a conundrum, given that he's about to launch himself into the atmosphere.

Down the road, he's intending to build a rocket that takes him to space, so he can snap a picture and see with his own eyes.

"I don't believe in science," said Hughes, whose main sponsor for the rocket is Research Flat Earth. "I know about aerodynamics and fluid dynamics and how things move through the air, about the certain size of rocket nozzles, and thrust. But that's not science, that's just a formula. There's no difference between science and science fiction."
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 03:46:20 PM »
I was reading this story this morning. He might destroy FES by confirming that the space is real. But then again, is FES going to believe this guy?
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 04:04:05 PM »
Did you miss the part where that guy is a Flat Earther?  Maybe he'll finally get some decent pictures of the disc and prove that the earth is flat once and for all.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 04:25:15 PM »
I was thinking once about a "Flat Earth Live from Space 24/7" Live feed, from when some flat earthers launch a rocket up to orbit and make their own feed.
Such would be expensive but a cool project.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 04:59:41 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 05:00:22 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 05:02:05 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?

You...must be new here.  See the technology and science forum for a 55 page answer to that question
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 05:11:19 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?

You...must be new here.  See the technology and science forum for a 55 page answer to that question
Won't read through all that, they seemed to wonder how a space rocket accelerates (which they can figure out for themselves) and the rest can't be understood without picking up the context from the other many pages.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 05:19:45 PM »
People will do some crazy shit for their 15 minutes...

I hope, when the time comes, and he is in need of a team of doctors to scrape him up and put him back together, that he can find some physicians who DO believe in science!


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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 05:30:04 PM »
People will do some crazy shit for their 15 minutes...

I hope, when the time comes, and he is in need of a team of doctors to scrape him up and put him back together, that he can find some physicians who DO believe in science!
Launching a rocket is not science?

Does that change because a FEer is doing it?
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 05:44:42 PM »
People will do some crazy shit for their 15 minutes...

I hope, when the time comes, and he is in need of a team of doctors to scrape him up and put him back together, that he can find some physicians who DO believe in science!
Launching a rocket is not science?

Does that change because a FEer is doing it?

Science is science, and rocket propulsion is certainly science...

This guy?  He is nothing more than ballast!
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 05:51:53 PM »
Did you miss the part where that guy is a Flat Earther?  Maybe he'll finally get some decent pictures of the disc and prove that the earth is flat once and for all.

You don't understand. Since he is a flat earther, he might confirm that the earth is a globe to all the flatties out there.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 06:12:07 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 06:25:27 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
Basically Newton's laws of motion denial? Hm, well there is some form of denial for almost every known concept.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 06:32:23 PM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
Basically Newton's laws of motion denial? Hm, well there is some form of denial for almost every known concept.
Not so much a denial of Newton as just not understanding where the relevant force pairing occurs.
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 08:14:22 PM »
Did you miss the part where that guy is a Flat Earther?  Maybe he'll finally get some decent pictures of the disc and prove that the earth is flat once and for all.

You don't understand. Since he is a flat earther, he might confirm that the earth is a globe to all the flatties out there.
But then he won't be a flat earther, so flat earthers won't believe him because all non-flat earthers are part of the conspiracy against flat earthers.
So Logkical!

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 11:33:33 AM »
He plans to reach height of 550 meters.
He will see nothing from there.
It is easier to take elevator in Burj Khalifa in Dubai, 828 meters, and still see nothing.

They say he doesn't believe in science.
First, science is not there to believe, it is there for facts and knowledge.
Second, how can he be rocket SCIENTIST if he doesn't believe in science. He can be "rocket priest".
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 11:44:26 AM »
No FE supporter is going to believe in him if he confirms a round earth, but if he confirms a flat earth, everyone of you will go apeshit.

Remember kids: Don't thrust anyone unless it helps you confirm your beliefs

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 02:08:17 PM »
Try
Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
That seems the obvious answer.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2017, 07:57:48 PM by rabinoz »

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2017, 02:29:44 PM »
Am I missing something?
They did say 1800 feet right?

Commercial airplanes fly a lot higher than that.
Show me a Flat Earth map that works.

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2017, 09:27:12 PM »
Am I missing something?
They did say 1800 feet right?

Commercial airplanes fly a lot higher than that.
Prove it.
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2017, 02:51:49 AM »
Am I missing something?
They did say 1800 feet right?

Commercial airplanes fly a lot higher than that.
Prove it.
Prove what? That "Commercial airplanes fly a lot higher than 1800 feet."

Because the reference states
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On the morning of the launch, Hughes will heat about 70 gallons of water in a stainless steel tank and then blast off between 2 p.m. and 3 p.m. He plans to go about a mile — reaching an altitude of about 1,800 feet — before pulling two parachutes.
So we hardly need to prove that!

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2017, 02:58:36 AM »
He plans to reach height of 550 meters.
lol, really?  Why doesn't he just climb a mountain?
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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2017, 03:21:52 AM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
What would you like?

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2017, 03:23:54 AM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
This should be a given. It should appeal to anybody's basic logic and senses.

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2017, 03:25:38 AM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
Basically Newton's laws of motion denial? Hm, well there is some form of denial for almost every known concept.
It's not a denial of the law of action/reaction, it's in how it's used in fictional space vacuums. That's the issue.

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2017, 03:33:56 AM »
Did you miss the part where that guy is a Flat Earther?  Maybe he'll finally get some decent pictures of the disc and prove that the earth is flat once and for all.

You don't understand. Since he is a flat earther, he might confirm that the earth is a globe to all the flatties out there.
But then he won't be a flat earther, so flat earthers won't believe him because all non-flat earthers are part of the conspiracy against flat earthers.
So Logkical!
It's nothing to do with non-flat Earthers being in on any conspiracy against flat Earthers.
It's more a case of a mass following of a set of so called sciences that are no more than religious beliefs.
Basically a mass following of something that has no genuine verifiable proof but is argued to have it based on some kind of peer reviewing by whoever is stood out as the so called experts on what is pushed out as a truth  based on nothing more that brainwashing in order to get people to be trained into acceptance of artefacts as the reality of a historical so called truth, etc.

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2017, 04:13:07 AM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
This should be a given. It should appeal to anybody's basic logic and senses.
Really?
What's this rocket pushing against at 100 km altitude (at 3:47 in the video)?
At 100 km, the air density is about 1/2,200,000 that at sea-level.
You are stark starin' bonkers if you claim that the rocket is accelerating by "pushing" on that!

Launch & Landing of 25th SpaceX Falcon 9 Rocket with Thaicom 8

Of course, anything that you can't understand is obviously faked and part of da conspiracy!

You haven't the slightest idea about the properties (or lack thereof) of a vacuum!

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2017, 04:33:09 AM »
It's nothing to do with non-flat Earthers being in on any conspiracy against flat Earthers.
It has everything to do with the flat-earthers claim is hiding the "true shape of the earth"!

If it weren't for that, evidence, like this, of a rotating Globe would be readily accepted.

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But that would destroy your little pancake planet in one fell swoop, so have to declare it a fake - you can't allow yourself any other option.

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It's more a case of a mass following of a set of so called sciences that are no more than religious beliefs.
Basically a mass following of something that has no genuine verifiable proof but is argued to have it based on some kind of peer reviewing by whoever is stood out as the so called experts on what is pushed out as a truth  based on nothing more that brainwashing in order to get people to be trained into acceptance of artefacts as the reality of a historical so called truth, etc.
Utter garbage, like everything you say.

You have a bagful of fantasies that explain nothing expect others to believe you.

It's tough for you that all the things designed by "so called experts on what is pushed out as a truth" from motor vehicles through to the most sophisticated supersonic aircraft work!

And your fantasies have never lead to anything useful. "By their fruits, ye shall know them" and your theories have nothing!

So, do you know who I'd believe? Sure, I'd believe those whose theories work.

And do you know something?
There are a lot of similarities in the theory of jet engines and the theory of rockets. They both develop their thrust by action-reaction.
A rocket engine works best in a vacuum and, apart from the need for oxygen as an oxidiser a jet engine would work in a vacuum.

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Re: Is a Flat Earth Rocket Scientist an oxymoron?
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2017, 05:38:41 AM »
I just want sceptimatic's input on this
Do they got something against rockets?
Some moon hoaxers in general, and a few FEer's in particular, claim that rockets can't work in space because they need to push against the atmosphere.
This should be a given. It should appeal to anybody's basic logic and senses.
Really?
What's this rocket pushing against at 100 km altitude (at 3:47 in the video)?
At 100 km, the air density is about 1/2,200,000 that at sea-level.
You are stark starin' bonkers if you claim that the rocket is accelerating by "pushing" on that!

Launch & Landing of 25th SpaceX Falcon 9 Rocket with Thaicom 8

Of course, anything that you can't understand is obviously faked and part of da conspiracy!

You haven't the slightest idea about the properties (or lack thereof) of a vacuum!
It's not pushing against anything because it's not at that height for s start and is not a real rocket.
Try again with something else.