Denspressure vs Reality

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1260 on: December 12, 2017, 06:59:44 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1261 on: December 12, 2017, 07:30:59 AM »
Yet more evation, what’s the problem, chicken boy. Too frightened to put your money where your mouth is.
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What the point asking me for evidence on main stream science it’s all out there, go look, open your eyes. Your computer, the power it uses, go look things up. It appears you’re  just to too scared, again, to answer a straight question.
The problem is denpressure it’s a woolly heap of evidence free cow turds with no more chance of being true than me seeing pink spotted hippos in my front garden.
You're struggling like hell to justify anything, aren't you?  ;D

You are a piece of work, going on about gravity that you clearly know little about, claim there is no evidence to support it, which is not true, then in your next breath tout nonsense like denpressure for which there is indeed no evidence. You have been asked on a number of occasions for some proof for your ideas in relation to your alleged molecular behaviour under denpressure , and each time you fail to deliver. Instead what you would rather do is beat on about gravity as a distraction. Forget gravity and show your proof or admit it’s all just made up.
I see a lot of yap yapping but I see no proof of anything from you or anyone else.
All I see is you trying to argue that I don't provide you with any.

I know nothing about gravity...not little.
Want to know why or can you guess?

I'll give you a clue.
Gravity sits somewhere in between the tooth fairy and Santa claus, with a large helping of Leprechauns thrown in for good measure.

It’s called asking questions, you know those things that you constantly evade, because you have no answers. So under denpressure what prevents all life on earth from suffering embolisms? Some evidence would be nice.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1262 on: December 12, 2017, 07:33:23 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.

There you go again, making stuff up. Admit it you’ve never seen a molecule in you life, but apparently it doesn’t stop you from dreaming up trippy fictions about them.
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1263 on: December 12, 2017, 07:33:52 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
Can you clarify, why does the photoelectric effect only work on negatively charged metals, and what is negative charge.
Just super friction of molecules by huge pressure of expansion by mass that creates heat.
It's all heat from friction. That all everything is.
The only variations are frequency and pressure applied, or force.
What's the difference between positive and negative charge super friction?
Why does the photoelectric effect only work on negatively charged metals?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1264 on: December 12, 2017, 07:47:19 AM »


It’s called asking questions, you know those things that you constantly evade, because you have no answers. So under denpressure what prevents all life on earth from suffering embolisms? Some evidence would be nice.
Try harder.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1265 on: December 12, 2017, 07:47:56 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.

There you go again, making stuff up. Admit it you’ve never seen a molecule in you life, but apparently it doesn’t stop you from dreaming up trippy fictions about them.
Have you seen a molecule or an atom in your life?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1266 on: December 12, 2017, 07:49:36 AM »

What's the difference between positive and negative charge super friction?
Why does the photoelectric effect only work on negatively charged metals?
You're sat there armed with all the info to reel off.
What are you after?
You don't understand denpressure so you won't understand anything I say, so stick to your photoelectric in the way you're told.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1267 on: December 12, 2017, 08:26:37 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.
What molecules are inside what molecules?
Steep enough isn't an answer.  I've driven up very steep roads at speed and this has never happened.
I think you are wrong about the vacuum centrifuge but please show how exactly they work.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1268 on: December 12, 2017, 08:31:34 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.
What molecules are inside what molecules?
Steep enough isn't an answer.  I've driven up very steep roads at speed and this has never happened.
I think you are wrong about the vacuum centrifuge but please show how exactly they work.
Do me a favour and don't bother me any more.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1269 on: December 12, 2017, 08:58:35 AM »
A couple of questions that seem to have gotten lost in these threads.
You explained why molecules compress and expand but not what substance it is that is filling them as they do so.
Molecules are inside molecules.
They peel off like soap bubbles in a sink.
Bubbles within bubbles.
Think of it like layers of bubbles within bubbles and what you see as a pop is a bubble expanding and becoming a smaller bubble attached to bubbles.
If there is sufficient pressure the bubbles go the opposite way and expand from inside out.




You never told me what angle was actually steep enough for a car moving 100kph to stop suddenly when you shut off the gas.
Steep enough to stop you accelerating and just holding a constant mph.
Pretty steep but negotiable.



You never explained why, if a centrifuge doesn't work in a low pressure environment, do they sell vacuum centrifuges.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.
What molecules are inside what molecules?
Steep enough isn't an answer.  I've driven up very steep roads at speed and this has never happened.
I think you are wrong about the vacuum centrifuge but please show how exactly they work.
Do me a favour and don't bother me any more.
You are so funny.  I don't insult you.  I pretty much only ask questions, giving you the opportunity to explain your model.  I only even say you are wrong about something when I directly observe it and yet I'm the one you want to ignore.
Not the guys insulting you or belittling your model but the guy asking questions.
I find that odd

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1270 on: December 12, 2017, 09:14:06 AM »

You are so funny.  I don't insult you.  I pretty much only ask questions, giving you the opportunity to explain your model.  I only even say you are wrong about something when I directly observe it and yet I'm the one you want to ignore.
Not the guys insulting you or belittling your model but the guy asking questions.
I find that odd
You keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers and it baffles me as to why you keep doing it when you have no intention of grasping anything.

If you really want to understand it then stick to one thing and get it before you move on to the next. I tried the same thing with Jackblack but he's just far too volatile for his own good  to take anything in, or even want to.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1271 on: December 12, 2017, 09:25:17 AM »
Zou keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers
Expect you won't answer the question, you keep avoiding it.

How steep would a road have to be to stop a car dead when you turn off the engine when travelling at 100 kph? 

"Steep enough" is not an answer, it's just avoidance, as you know you've trapped yourself in a corner with this one.
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« Reply #1272 on: December 12, 2017, 09:56:46 AM »

You are so funny.  I don't insult you.  I pretty much only ask questions, giving you the opportunity to explain your model.  I only even say you are wrong about something when I directly observe it and yet I'm the one you want to ignore.
Not the guys insulting you or belittling your model but the guy asking questions.
I find that odd
You keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers and it baffles me as to why you keep doing it when you have no intention of grasping anything.

If you really want to understand it then stick to one thing and get it before you move on to the next. I tried the same thing with Jackblack but he's just far too volatile for his own good  to take anything in, or even want to.
But you generally don't actually answer.  For instance I asked you, I think, four times about the actual mechanics of expanding molecules.  Specifically what is filling them as they expand, or are all of the parts just getting bigger or is it empty space or what.
It wasn't until this last time that you even attempted to answer the question that was asked.  You repeated that they expand, then you gave an analogy to explain why they expand.  But that wasn't the question.  Now your answer is molecules inside of molecules. 
That's a start anyway.  What molecules inside of what molecules?  A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, so how does another molecule get inside that?
Same thing with the steep road.  I've asked numerous times because you have yet to answer it.  Which is odd because this is something that is testable.
In short, I ask repeatedly because you don't answer the question that was actually being asked.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1273 on: December 12, 2017, 10:00:27 AM »
Zou keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers
Expect you won't answer the question, you keep avoiding it.

How steep would a road have to be to stop a car dead when you turn off the engine when travelling at 100 kph? 

"Steep enough" is not an answer, it's just avoidance, as you know you've trapped yourself in a corner with this one.
I haven't trapped myself into a corner at all.

I explained what was required to do for anyone to prove what I'm saying.
It's you people that are avoiding the issue.


Get in your car and find a really steep bank.
Drive up the bank until you cannot accelerate any more but can keep your mph constant or reasonably thereabouts.

You'll find that you have to depress the gas pedal down a little more to keep the mph fairly steady as you advance up the bank.

Very simple, right?
Now dip your clutch and see if you carry on in a forward motion or you stop dead and then immediately accelerate back down.

It baffles me how you people are willing to argue this when you can try it and prove it to yourselves.

Don't argue it with me, argue it with yourself in your vehicle when going up that steep bank.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1274 on: December 12, 2017, 10:14:13 AM »

But you generally don't actually answer.  For instance I asked you, I think, four times about the actual mechanics of expanding molecules.  Specifically what is filling them as they expand, or are all of the parts just getting bigger or is it empty space or what.
It wasn't until this last time that you even attempted to answer the question that was asked.  You repeated that they expand, then you gave an analogy to explain why they expand.  But that wasn't the question.  Now your answer is molecules inside of molecules. 
That's a start anyway.  What molecules inside of what molecules?  A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, so how does another molecule get inside that?
Same thing with the steep road.  I've asked numerous times because you have yet to answer it.  Which is odd because this is something that is testable.
In short, I ask repeatedly because you don't answer the question that was actually being asked.
Ok for the sake of argument I'm using molecules, no matter what.
I'm not going to be using atoms or gluons or whatever clap trap.
Molecules will be used and explained in terms of many or few or attached and all kinds of stuff.
So let's get the basics done with and let's use atmospheric molecules.


All molecules are either molecules inside another which is inside another, like a clear layered gobstopper.
Depending on friction each layer can expand and force one layer off that will be attached to the same layered molecule but not as a perfect sphere. It will simply take up external areas which will create pressure on other molecules in a sort of wave action for however frequent the friction/vibration is.

Molecules can also be expanded from within the packed layers from the centre which is just a compressed molecule.
You could call this a hydrogen molecule if you want to and to release it requires lots of pressure and friction of dense molecules to release the compressed inner.

Imagine that compressed inner being released?

Let's see you put your thinking cap on and do not use mainstream against me.

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« Reply #1275 on: December 12, 2017, 10:20:25 AM »

What's the difference between positive and negative charge super friction?
Why does the photoelectric effect only work on negatively charged metals?
You're sat there armed with all the info to reel off.
What are you after?
You don't understand denpressure so you won't understand anything I say, so stick to your photoelectric in the way you're told.
You don't believe in the electron model of the atom, I remembered an experiment that both shows evidence for electrons existing and can be done cheaply by anyone. I wanted to see if your theory has an explanation for the experiment as well, because from what I know of denpressure, it can't give a reason why positive and negative charges act differently in this case.

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« Reply #1276 on: December 12, 2017, 10:33:59 AM »

But you generally don't actually answer.  For instance I asked you, I think, four times about the actual mechanics of expanding molecules.  Specifically what is filling them as they expand, or are all of the parts just getting bigger or is it empty space or what.
It wasn't until this last time that you even attempted to answer the question that was asked.  You repeated that they expand, then you gave an analogy to explain why they expand.  But that wasn't the question.  Now your answer is molecules inside of molecules. 
That's a start anyway.  What molecules inside of what molecules?  A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, so how does another molecule get inside that?
Same thing with the steep road.  I've asked numerous times because you have yet to answer it.  Which is odd because this is something that is testable.
In short, I ask repeatedly because you don't answer the question that was actually being asked.
Ok for the sake of argument I'm using molecules, no matter what.
I'm not going to be using atoms or gluons or whatever clap trap.
Molecules will be used and explained in terms of many or few or attached and all kinds of stuff.
So let's get the basics done with and let's use atmospheric molecules.


All molecules are either molecules inside another which is inside another, like a clear layered gobstopper.
Depending on friction each layer can expand and force one layer off that will be attached to the same layered molecule but not as a perfect sphere. It will simply take up external areas which will create pressure on other molecules in a sort of wave action for however frequent the friction/vibration is.

Molecules can also be expanded from within the packed layers from the centre which is just a compressed molecule.
You could call this a hydrogen molecule if you want to and to release it requires lots of pressure and friction of dense molecules to release the compressed inner.

Imagine that compressed inner being released?

Let's see you put your thinking cap on and do not use mainstream against me.
I need to know how you see molecules being constructed because the way I understand them, this would not work. 
So how are molecules constructed in your model?
Also, for the record, notice how you still didn't answer the question that was asked?  This may be in part because we are looking at molecules differently, hence my question.  But you simply said as some molecules leave others expand. 
The question was how that works.  Is it simply empty space filling the expansion, other molecules or what?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1277 on: December 12, 2017, 10:37:22 AM »
Zou keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers
Expect you won't answer the question, you keep avoiding it.

How steep would a road have to be to stop a car dead when you turn off the engine when travelling at 100 kph? 

"Steep enough" is not an answer, it's just avoidance, as you know you've trapped yourself in a corner with this one.
I haven't trapped myself into a corner at all.

I explained what was required to do for anyone to prove what I'm saying.
It's you people that are avoiding the issue.


Get in your car and find a really steep bank.
Drive up the bank until you cannot accelerate any more but can keep your mph constant or reasonably thereabouts.

You'll find that you have to depress the gas pedal down a little more to keep the mph fairly steady as you advance up the bank.

Very simple, right?
Now dip your clutch and see if you carry on in a forward motion or you stop dead and then immediately accelerate back down.

It baffles me how you people are willing to argue this when you can try it and prove it to yourselves.

Don't argue it with me, argue it with yourself in your vehicle when going up that steep bank.
But I have done this many times and never once have I stopped dead.  That's why I asked you for a testable angle.

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« Reply #1278 on: December 12, 2017, 10:59:20 AM »

But you generally don't actually answer.  For instance I asked you, I think, four times about the actual mechanics of expanding molecules.  Specifically what is filling them as they expand, or are all of the parts just getting bigger or is it empty space or what.
It wasn't until this last time that you even attempted to answer the question that was asked.  You repeated that they expand, then you gave an analogy to explain why they expand.  But that wasn't the question.  Now your answer is molecules inside of molecules. 
That's a start anyway.  What molecules inside of what molecules?  A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, so how does another molecule get inside that?
Same thing with the steep road.  I've asked numerous times because you have yet to answer it.  Which is odd because this is something that is testable.
In short, I ask repeatedly because you don't answer the question that was actually being asked.
Ok for the sake of argument I'm using molecules, no matter what.
I'm not going to be using atoms or gluons or whatever clap trap.
Molecules will be used and explained in terms of many or few or attached and all kinds of stuff.
So let's get the basics done with and let's use atmospheric molecules.


All molecules are either molecules inside another which is inside another, like a clear layered gobstopper.
Depending on friction each layer can expand and force one layer off that will be attached to the same layered molecule but not as a perfect sphere. It will simply take up external areas which will create pressure on other molecules in a sort of wave action for however frequent the friction/vibration is.

Molecules can also be expanded from within the packed layers from the centre which is just a compressed molecule.
You could call this a hydrogen molecule if you want to and to release it requires lots of pressure and friction of dense molecules to release the compressed inner.

Imagine that compressed inner being released?

Let's see you put your thinking cap on and do not use mainstream against me.
I need to know how you see molecules being constructed because the way I understand them, this would not work. 
So how are molecules constructed in your model?
Also, for the record, notice how you still didn't answer the question that was asked?  This may be in part because we are looking at molecules differently, hence my question.  But you simply said as some molecules leave others expand. 
The question was how that works.  Is it simply empty space filling the expansion, other molecules or what?
I think the molecules are elastic, their volume can change.

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« Reply #1279 on: December 12, 2017, 11:23:17 AM »

But you generally don't actually answer.  For instance I asked you, I think, four times about the actual mechanics of expanding molecules.  Specifically what is filling them as they expand, or are all of the parts just getting bigger or is it empty space or what.
It wasn't until this last time that you even attempted to answer the question that was asked.  You repeated that they expand, then you gave an analogy to explain why they expand.  But that wasn't the question.  Now your answer is molecules inside of molecules. 
That's a start anyway.  What molecules inside of what molecules?  A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, so how does another molecule get inside that?
Same thing with the steep road.  I've asked numerous times because you have yet to answer it.  Which is odd because this is something that is testable.
In short, I ask repeatedly because you don't answer the question that was actually being asked.
Ok for the sake of argument I'm using molecules, no matter what.
I'm not going to be using atoms or gluons or whatever clap trap.
Molecules will be used and explained in terms of many or few or attached and all kinds of stuff.
So let's get the basics done with and let's use atmospheric molecules.


All molecules are either molecules inside another which is inside another, like a clear layered gobstopper.
Depending on friction each layer can expand and force one layer off that will be attached to the same layered molecule but not as a perfect sphere. It will simply take up external areas which will create pressure on other molecules in a sort of wave action for however frequent the friction/vibration is.

Molecules can also be expanded from within the packed layers from the centre which is just a compressed molecule.
You could call this a hydrogen molecule if you want to and to release it requires lots of pressure and friction of dense molecules to release the compressed inner.

Imagine that compressed inner being released?

Let's see you put your thinking cap on and do not use mainstream against me.
I need to know how you see molecules being constructed because the way I understand them, this would not work. 
So how are molecules constructed in your model?
Also, for the record, notice how you still didn't answer the question that was asked?  This may be in part because we are looking at molecules differently, hence my question.  But you simply said as some molecules leave others expand. 
The question was how that works.  Is it simply empty space filling the expansion, other molecules or what?
I think the molecules are elastic, their volume can change.
Maybe but I think in his model volume and density don't really change.
For instance, if you have one cubic inch of lead and one cubic inch of pudding.  It appears that they have the same volume but in actuality they don't.  The pudding has atmosphere trapped in it, well both do but the pudding has more.  If you were able to somehow squeeze that atmosphere out, then the volume of the pudding would be revealed to be much smaller.

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« Reply #1280 on: December 12, 2017, 11:38:53 AM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
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« Reply #1281 on: December 12, 2017, 11:48:12 AM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.

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« Reply #1282 on: December 12, 2017, 12:08:43 PM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.

My gobbledegook to English dictionary appears to be missing.

Constant acceleration is perfectly possible
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1283 on: December 12, 2017, 12:16:18 PM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.

My gobbledegook to English dictionary appears to be missing.

Constant acceleration is perfectly possible
Nothing can be static in a dynamic environment, you just don't understand denpressure.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1284 on: December 12, 2017, 01:02:32 PM »
you just don't understand denpressure.
Literally nobody does, that's the beauty of it.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1285 on: December 12, 2017, 01:22:53 PM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.
If I understand correctly, since acceleration is, by definition, a measure of change, it cannot be constant.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1286 on: December 12, 2017, 01:29:16 PM »
It depends on how a person sees denpressure as a theory.
It isn't a theory. It is a model which is contradicted by reality.

Gravity has no evidence whatsoever but it's used to keep alive a globe in space.
Again, you ignoring the mountains of evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Also, as has been pointed out many times before, there is plenty of evidence that Earth is round without appealing to gravity.

Utter utter utter nonsense of the highest order and yet bullied and battered into the heads of the young
The only one trying to bully and batter is you.
You continually dismiss gravity as nonsense yet you are unable to provide any rational objection to it.
All you can do is lie about it.

You don't even know what gravity is so don't tell me it matches reality.
You don't know what I know, so stop acting like you do.
Gravity does match reality. Your nonsense does not.

You are 99.9% clueless on my theory but you pretend you know about it.
Again, if that was the case, how am I able to accurately predict what your model would predict?
Why am I able to formulate rational arguments against it which you are completely unable to refute?

This seems to be your only hope left, forget my arguments and just attack me.
That sure indicates you know your model is a load of crap and you are doing whatever you can to cling on to it.

I'm just skipping the rest of your childish crap. Lets see if you can try to make a rational argument.


Can you clarify, why does the photoelectric effect only work on negatively charged metals, and what is negative charge.
Just super friction of molecules by huge pressure of expansion by mass that creates heat.
It's all heat from friction. That all everything is.
The only variations are frequency and pressure applied, or force.
Notice how you aren't actually addressing the question?
How about you go back, read what was asked and try to address it?

I know nothing about gravity...not little.
Well thanks for admitting that you are in no place to judge it at all.
All your claims about things disproving gravity are thus outright lies.
Your claims about gravity being nonsense are likewise, outright lies.

Thanks for exposing your own dishonesty.
Those vacuum centrifuges are not sealed low pressure, they're like a vaccum cleaner in their operation where air comes in and is expelled with a centrifuge in between and also heat.
It's a totally different set up and I think you know this.
Wrong again.
That would be an air-flow centrifuge.
The vacuum centrifuges, such as these:
http://www.biocompare.com/Lab-Equipment/23816-Vacuum-Centrifuge-Concentrators/
operate under vacuum.



You keep asking the same thin gs even though you get answers and it baffles me as to why you keep doing it
It is because you repeatedly avoid actually answering the question. Instead you provide answers to a different question or just lie and say you already answered it.


If you really want to understand it then stick to one thing and get it before you move on to the next.
You have already shown you have no interest in doing this.
You will pretend to to get a few simple things it, but as soon as it gets to anything your model can't explain you just start back with your lies again.


I tried the same thing with Jackblack but he's just far too volatile for his own good  to take anything in, or even want to.
You mean that I didn't just accept your BS and instead asked questions based upon what you said and reality which you were unable to answer which resulted in you resorting to your typical lies of claiming you have already explained it and insulting me.

I'm not the problem here.
Your model, which doesn't match reality, is the problem.

Do me a favour and don't bother me any more.
If you want us to stop bothering you, stop spouting your lies.

I explained what was required to do for anyone to prove what I'm saying.
It's you people that are avoiding the issue.
Except you are unable to justify why constant speed is important.
And we have all done this (or things similar to it) repeatedly and never experienced what you claim.

Get in your car and find a really steep bank.
Drive up the bank until you cannot accelerate any more but can keep your mph constant or reasonably thereabouts.
You'll find that you have to depress the gas pedal down a little more to keep the mph fairly steady as you advance up the bank.
Notice the contradiction?
If you need to apply more gas to keep the same speed, then applying more before hand will result in acceleration.
Thus your situation is impossible.


Now dip your clutch and see if you carry on in a forward motion or you stop dead and then immediately accelerate back down.
You carry on in a forward motion, as all attempts at doing this has resulted in.

It baffles me how you people are willing to argue this when you can try it and prove it to yourselves.
We have tried, your claims didn't match reality.

Don't argue it with me, argue it with yourself in your vehicle when going up that steep bank.
My vehicle agrees with me. You keep moving forward.
You are the outlier.

Ok for the sake of argument I'm using molecules, no matter what.
I'm not going to be using atoms or gluons or whatever clap trap.
If you don't want to use the correct names for the various parts, stop using those names entirely.
Stop calling anything molecules.
Call them magic air pieces or something else.
Do not try to use a term with a well defined meaning to mean something entirely different.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1287 on: December 12, 2017, 01:39:07 PM »
So a list of issues you are yet to address (non-exhaustive):
Why denspressure creates weight in the first place, specifically the directionality of it.
Why some things are pushed down and others are pushed up.
Why weight is proportional to mass (which can be measured due to inertia), rather than area or volume.
Why objects with the same crystal lattice (e.g. FCC) and thus the same proportion of voids have completely different densities.
Why evacuating the air from inside a sealed vessel makes it weigh less even though it displaces more atmosphere.
Why putting things in water results in a reduction in weight not a gain.
Why you aren't pushed against a cliff.
Why you continue moving when force is no longer applied (including your example where you are moving up a slope at a constant speed).
Why inertia and by extension the centrifugal force still works in a vacuum.
Why your acceleration in free fall (i.e. when air resistance is insignificant) remains the same regardless of pressure.
Why your weight, excluding the small contribution from buoyancy, remains the same regardless of pressure.
How a fluid filled barometer works.
Why the void appears in the first place when you invert the tube so it is upright, while it is not there when it is upside down.
Why the height of the column above the surface of the reservoir remains constant, regardless of the angle of the tube and the height of the tube, assuming it started upside down with no void and has a material of a given density and no air was allowed in and the tube itself is not limiting the height. It doesn't even depend on the shape of the tube.
Why a different fluid results in a completely different height.
Why a liquid to gas phase transition requires so much energy input without any change in temperature and results in a massive expansion.
Brownian motion.
PV=nRT

I have probably missed quite a lot, but that is a brief list.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1288 on: December 12, 2017, 02:36:45 PM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.
If I understand correctly, since acceleration is, by definition, a measure of change, it cannot be constant.
Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity and the rate of change can be constant, at least over a finite period of time,
as in this velocity ~ time graph:
More in: The Physics Classroom » Physics Tutorial » 1-D Kinematics » Meaning of Shape for a v-t Graph.

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Badxtoss

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1289 on: December 12, 2017, 02:57:16 PM »
And apparently acceleration can not be a constant.....
Because the constant expansion and contraction of the bubbles makes static acceleration impossible.
If I understand correctly, since acceleration is, by definition, a measure of change, it cannot be constant.
Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity and the rate of change can be constant, at least over a finite period of time,
as in this velocity ~ time graph:
More in: The Physics Classroom » Physics Tutorial » 1-D Kinematics » Meaning of Shape for a v-t Graph.
I should have been more specific.  I was trying to explain scepti's stance, as I understand it.  Of course there can be a constant rate of acceleration