Denspressure vs Reality

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1170 on: December 08, 2017, 12:57:19 AM »
Please provide some evidence of these measurements and the relationship between molecular size and pressure and temperature.

And I’ll start getting to the crux of the argument. If we cool a substance, what is happening within a molecule to cause it to shrink?
You want calculations and measurement?
Just get on with your life.
If you're not willing to grasp basics and have to keep resorting to the same old crap then seriously don't waste your and my time.

Here's a simple answer to the bolded question.
To coll a substance you need to take away the excited molecules that is keeping the substance at a certain temperature.
This is done by adding a more dense mass of molecules under very little agitation to crush the expanding (agitated) molecules back to the same state as the applied dense molecules but containing them so they cannot escape....or leaving them to be crushed up to expand into the natural stack of atmosphere their expansion fits.
There's lots more to it but you need the basics before you move on...or simply don't.
Your choice.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1171 on: December 08, 2017, 12:59:17 AM »








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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1172 on: December 08, 2017, 02:33:18 AM »
You've just been explained to and you simply cannot grasp it, or refuse to.
I grasp your explanation perfectly.
I already made the same prediction based upon your model.
The issue is that your explanation DOES NOT MATCH REALITY!!!
Without letting any air in, the mercury drops.

If your explanation was all there was to it, then there would be the same void regardless of the orientation of the tube.

That's as simple as it gets but that's what's happening in life, everywhere and it can only happen because all matter is attached with absolutely no free space.
Prove it.
Why can't it happen with free space?

Enough to be confident in what I'm saying. That's all you need to know.
i.e. you have nothing except your baseless claims.

Ok Jack, I've copied your 3 barometer diagrams, one inverted and one normal way up but full and one leaving a gap.
And still failed to provide an explanation that actually works.
As you put the explanations in the image instead of text, I won't bother quoting them, and instead just explain (again), why it doesn't work.

The second image contains pure bullshit (well technically it can be correct, but practically it is pure bullshit).

It does not matter how much mercury is in the dish. You can have 100 g, or 1 tonne, the height of the mercury column (above the surface) remains the same.

But more importantly, how come your air can be magically squeezed out at the top of the tube, but not the bottom?
Why does this air bubble magically vanish when you flip the tube upside down again?
How come water, with a lot more air inside (in order to have a much lower apparent density) has a much higher column instead of a much lower one?
How come it doesn't matter how large the tube is, the height of the column remains the same?
How come it doesn't matter what angle the tube is at, the height of the column (above the surface) remains the same?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1173 on: December 08, 2017, 02:49:59 AM »
And still failed to provide an explanation that actually works.

I've provided you with very good explanations that do work in reality but don't work in your perceived reality due to being told a lot of nonsense and gobbledygook....but never mind. I explained and that's one thing you can't deny, whether you agree with it or not.





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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1174 on: December 08, 2017, 03:06:54 AM »
I've provided you with very good explanations that do work in reality but don't work in your perceived reality due to being told a lot of nonsense and gobbledygook....but never mind. I explained and that's one thing you can't deny, whether you agree with it or not.
The only one telling me nonsense and gobbledygook here is you.

You have failed to provide an explanation which actually makes sense.
Yes, you have spouted a bunch of crap, but that does not constitute an explanation.
I raised simple objections to it which you have failed to address.
As such, I can continue to point out that you are yet to explain this and thus your model does not match reality.

Like I said, why do you have a void when the tube is upright, but not when the tube is upside down?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1175 on: December 08, 2017, 03:12:22 AM »
why do you have a void when the tube is upright, but not when the tube is upside down?
Look at the diagrams and see why.
If you're looking for a mainstream explanation then keep reading your little books.
My explanation is right there in those diagrams.
 Deal with it Jackblack, or don't. It's entirely up to you but  one thing's for sure. All this time you've spent trying to figure out denpressure and you're still trying to fit a square block into a smaller round hole.

Absolutely clueless.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1176 on: December 08, 2017, 03:24:47 AM »
why do you have a void when the tube is upright, but not when the tube is upside down?
Look at the diagrams and see why.
No I won't. I have looked at the diagrams. It isn't there.
The closest you come is that there is glass in the way when the tube is upside down. But guess what? It is still there when it is right side up.

If you're looking for a mainstream explanation then keep reading your little books.
I already know the mainstream explanation that works.

Deal with it Jackblack, or don't. It's entirely up to you but  one thing's for sure. All this time you've spent trying to figure out denpressure and you're still trying to fit a square block into a smaller round hole.
I have figured it out enough. I have firmly demonstrated that it doesn't match reality.
Den Pressure is the small round hole.
Reality is the square peg. (or vice versa)
I'm pointing out it doesn't fit.
You are pretending they do.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1177 on: December 08, 2017, 03:33:03 AM »
why do you have a void when the tube is upright, but not when the tube is upside down?
Look at the diagrams and see why.
No I won't. I have looked at the diagrams. It isn't there.
The closest you come is that there is glass in the way when the tube is upside down. But guess what? It is still there when it is right side up.

If you're looking for a mainstream explanation then keep reading your little books.
I already know the mainstream explanation that works.

Deal with it Jackblack, or don't. It's entirely up to you but  one thing's for sure. All this time you've spent trying to figure out denpressure and you're still trying to fit a square block into a smaller round hole.
I have figured it out enough. I have firmly demonstrated that it doesn't match reality.
Den Pressure is the small round hole.
Reality is the square peg. (or vice versa)
I'm pointing out it doesn't fit.
You are pretending they do.
No pretence here. I'm right and you are wrong.




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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1178 on: December 08, 2017, 05:04:10 AM »
Please provide some evidence of these measurements and the relationship between molecular size and pressure and temperature.

And I’ll start getting to the crux of the argument. If we cool a substance, what is happening within a molecule to cause it to shrink?
You want calculations and measurement?
Just get on with your life.
If you're not willing to grasp basics and have to keep resorting to the same old crap then seriously don't waste your and my time.

Here's a simple answer to the bolded question.
To coll a substance you need to take away the excited molecules that is keeping the substance at a certain temperature.
This is done by adding a more dense mass of molecules under very little agitation to crush the expanding (agitated) molecules back to the same state as the applied dense molecules but containing them so they cannot escape....or leaving them to be crushed up to expand into the natural stack of atmosphere their expansion fits.
There's lots more to it but you need the basics before you move on...or simply don't.
Your choice.

So you are stating that compressing molecules will cool them down despite everyday evidence showing that compression of a substance will actually cause it to heat up?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1179 on: December 08, 2017, 05:11:07 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1180 on: December 08, 2017, 07:11:09 AM »
Please provide some evidence of these measurements and the relationship between molecular size and pressure and temperature.

And I’ll start getting to the crux of the argument. If we cool a substance, what is happening within a molecule to cause it to shrink?
You want calculations and measurement?
Just get on with your life.
If you're not willing to grasp basics and have to keep resorting to the same old crap then seriously don't waste your and my time.

Here's a simple answer to the bolded question.
To coll a substance you need to take away the excited molecules that is keeping the substance at a certain temperature.
This is done by adding a more dense mass of molecules under very little agitation to crush the expanding (agitated) molecules back to the same state as the applied dense molecules but containing them so they cannot escape....or leaving them to be crushed up to expand into the natural stack of atmosphere their expansion fits.
There's lots more to it but you need the basics before you move on...or simply don't.
Your choice.

So you are stating that compressing molecules will cool them down despite everyday evidence showing that compression of a substance will actually cause it to heat up?
Compression by applied energy will create follow on expansion which is what causes the heat in the first place.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1181 on: December 08, 2017, 07:14:18 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1182 on: December 08, 2017, 09:31:47 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
This brings me back to a question I had that you didn't answer.  What is moving in and out of those molecules as the expand and contract.  With the balloons, sponge balls etc it is air that is moving in and out.  What is it inside the individual molecules?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1183 on: December 08, 2017, 11:08:06 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?

In kinetic theory it is very simple. The atoms and molecules lose energy to the colder nitrogen and thus are able exert less pressure on the balloon as they slow down and create fewer and less energetic collisions with each other and the balloon itself.

The empty space between the atoms reduces to the point where attractive force between the atoms pulls them together to form a liquid with very low volume.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1184 on: December 08, 2017, 12:31:24 PM »
No pretence here. I'm right and you are wrong.
Wow, gone full child have you?

If you are right, how come you are still unable to answer a few simple questions, or even a key one?

You are yet to explain in any non-contradictory way why the void appears when the tube is upright, but not when inverted.
Your justification for why it would appear when upright, other than baselessly saying it goes to the top (which you have not justified) applies equally well for the inverted tube.
Your justification for why it can't appear when inverted applies equally well for the upside down one.

If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
In reality?
You start with gas, with the molecules widely moving around, but then the temperature is lowered, this takes away the kinetic energy of the gas molecules.
This causes a large reduction in volume.
But the real kicker is when you start to liquify the air. That is when the molecules no longer have enough energy to overcome the interactions between them which results in them sticking together. This doesn't happen in your model because they are always stuck together in your model. This causes a massive reduction in volume.

Water is another wonderful example of this.
You start with 1 kg of water.
This remains as roughly 1 L from absolute 0 (or as close as you can get it) all the way up to 100 C.
But when it boils it massively expands. You go from that 1 L to roughly 1700 L.

This also shows that it isn't simply temperature doing it.
If it was, you would expect the expansion to be proportional to temperature in a simple way, for example, V/T=C.
Instead, you have effectively no change, then a tiny increase in temperature results in a massive expansion.
The other issue is the energy required.
Your magic air pieces should require the same increment of energy to heat up each bit. But they don't. Instead, if you take water from ice at 0C to steam at 110C do you know when most of the energy is used? The conversion from water to steam.

This shows there is a fundamental difference between a gas and a liquid.
This is explained quite simply by mainstream science.
In the liquid phase, the molecules are all attracted to one another. To make them a gas, you need to overcome this attraction. You need to provide enough energy to force the molecule away from the others.

With your magic air pieces they are always touching, so this cannot work as you are not pulling the molecules away from each other. Assuming they simply expand you have the same kind of connectivity, just at different scales.
So what causes this massive energy requirement in your model?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1185 on: December 08, 2017, 01:54:21 PM »
I'm right and you are wrong.

Here's the real question...

If you are right, why are you completely wrong?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1186 on: December 08, 2017, 02:32:25 PM »
If we go back and think about the original statement, it was denpressure Vs Reality, which I took as, how does the ‘idea’ of denpressure stack up against reality.

Sceptimatic, the originator of denpressure, stated during the debate the following statement which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories.

Denpressure from what I can understand is based on concepts which are totally contrary to Sceptimatic’s own words. He said:-

Regardless of what people are told all materials are porous and adsorb atmosphere or gas and can only release that gas by the pressure any matter is up against.


He is in fact ‘ telling us’ something that he has provided no physical proof for and so contradicts his earlier statement. He has, to date, shown no physical proof that backs up this claim that all materials are pours therefore his idea of denpressure falls through its total lack of any physical proof, for at the moment all we have is his word. This is something he himself warned against. So until Sceptimatic can provide genuine physical proof for denpressure,in line with his original statement, then it should be viewed as not proven and hence false.

There are of course additional problems in that much of what he says makes no actual sense:-

To coll a substance you need to take away the excited molecules that is keeping the substance at a certain temperature.
This is done by adding a more dense mass of molecules under very little agitation to crush the expanding (agitated) molecules back to the same state as the applied dense molecules but containing them so they cannot escape....or leaving them to be crushed up to expand into the natural stack of atmosphere their expansion fits.
There's lots more to it but you need the basics before you move on...or simply don't.
Your choice.


If anyone can make any sense of the above I would like to hear it. Though the questions I would like to ask are;

How did he observe the molecules being crushed?
How did he determine the level of molecular agitation?
What is the lots more and how did he determine this?
What were his experiments that he used to determine the basics?

He needs to be reminded of his own words
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories.
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1187 on: December 09, 2017, 12:29:20 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
This brings me back to a question I had that you didn't answer.  What is moving in and out of those molecules as the expand and contract.  With the balloons, sponge balls etc it is air that is moving in and out.  What is it inside the individual molecules?
They are never individual molecules.
Think of the gobstopper.
The gobstopper is what would be the densest matter. Now it peels down and attaches, depending on the vibration and energy applied.
They don't just inflate like big balloons and expand.
The gaseous parts are a section of the gobstopper and depending on what we understand as gases is in how they are peeled and configured into molecular structures.

Don't spend you time arguing this and that with your mainstream stuff. I'm telling you it from my side. Take it or leave it.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1188 on: December 09, 2017, 12:31:32 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?

In kinetic theory it is very simple. The atoms and molecules lose energy to the colder nitrogen and thus are able exert less pressure on the balloon as they slow down and create fewer and less energetic collisions with each other and the balloon itself.

The empty space between the atoms reduces to the point where attractive force between the atoms pulls them together to form a liquid with very low volume.
They are crushed back by atmospheric pressure because they are placed away from energy of FRICTION/VIBRATION.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1189 on: December 09, 2017, 12:47:50 AM »
No pretence here. I'm right and you are wrong.
Wow, gone full child have you?

If you are right, how come you are still unable to answer a few simple questions, or even a key one?
All answered and all misunderstood by yourself.
Not my issue if you are only able to copy stuff from mainstream to argue with and can't use your own brain on its own.



You are yet to explain in any non-contradictory way why the void appears when the tube is upright, but not when inverted.
Your justification for why it would appear when upright, other than baselessly saying it goes to the top (which you have not justified) applies equally well for the inverted tube.
Your justification for why it can't appear when inverted applies equally well for the upside down one.
I explained but my mistake was probably not giving you a mainstream answer what you crave.


If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
In reality?
You start with gas, with the molecules widely moving around, but then the temperature is lowered, this takes away the kinetic energy of the gas molecules.
This causes a large reduction in volume.
But the real kicker is when you start to liquify the air. That is when the molecules no longer have enough energy to overcome the interactions between them which results in them sticking together. This doesn't happen in your model because they are always stuck together in your model. This causes a massive reduction in volume.
All explained and all ignored by yourself.


Water is another wonderful example of this.
You start with 1 kg of water.
This remains as roughly 1 L from absolute 0 (or as close as you can get it) all the way up to 100 C.
But when it boils it massively expands. You go from that 1 L to roughly 1700 L.
All explained and all ignored by yourself.



This also shows that it isn't simply temperature doing it.
If it was, you would expect the expansion to be proportional to temperature in a simple way, for example, V/T=C.
Instead, you have effectively no change, then a tiny increase in temperature results in a massive expansion.
All explained and all ignored by yourself.

The other issue is the energy required.
Your magic air pieces should require the same increment of energy to heat up each bit. But they don't. Instead, if you take water from ice at 0C to steam at 110C do you know when most of the energy is used? The conversion from water to steam.
This shows there is a fundamental difference between a gas and a liquid.
This is explained quite simply by mainstream science.
Of course. Your mind is fully focused on your mainstream answers and that's why you'll never grasp what I'm saying.


In the liquid phase, the molecules are all attracted to one another. To make them a gas, you need to overcome this attraction. You need to provide enough energy to force the molecule away from the others.
This has been explained, but guess what?

Ignorance by you.



With your magic air pieces they are always touching, so this cannot work as you are not pulling the molecules away from each other. Assuming they simply expand you have the same kind of connectivity, just at different scales.
So what causes this massive energy requirement in your model?
Remember how I gave you the sponge ball analogy?
Can you also remember when I used brambles as a thought process?
Can you also remember how I used gobstoppers?

All attached and all configured in all kinds of ways but one thing that never changes. None of the molecules ever separate leaving a void or your vacuum of nothingness.
Life would cease if that was the case because the entire point of it all is attachment of everything from the densest to the least dense, from bottom to top and everywhere in between.

It's all down to vibration from that point on, in all pressures and in all frequencies.
They key is going back to square one. Something people like you can never do because your ready to absorb and narrate books are your mind. They dictate your mindset and no rival will change that unless the rival is another mainstream tweak.


You're a waste of effort to be fair.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1190 on: December 09, 2017, 01:08:49 AM »


He needs to be reminded of his own words
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories.
Remind me as much as you need because I stand by what I said.
Now here's the key what you also seem to be missing.

Nobody lives on my stories without any real physical proof.
What I say is for people to understand it from my side. A different take on .....wait for it.....
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


Now here's the key.
You are almost bullied or peer pressured (similar thing) to follow what I said in that statement.
You literally do live on the stuff without any physical proof.


I am asking nobody to live on what I say. I am asking those who are interested in questioning the bullied unprovable model to take a different mindset and look at other potentials without the burden on their bullies.

Just because I believe my theories are right does not make them right.
My argument is in, I believe they hold as much and in many cases, more reality than the clap trap we are being told and sold every minute of our lives by people who

live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


And expect the masses to follow suit and also live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


At the very least people need to question.
If people don't want to question then don't waste a second trying to argue against me. But what do I see?

I see people almost frenzied in  arguing against me.
Why?
They make out that they're trying to make sure some idiot like me doesn't manage to make people think away from their stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


The thing is ....(this is for people looking in and those that are genuinely interested)..... there's some real experiments for people to do that show reality and the centripetal one in the evacuation chamber of which I showed in a diagram is just one small proof that space orbits are crap and space itself, as in how we've been told, is also crap.
That's just the start but denpressure answers all the reality problems it just can't answer the fantasy world people have been duped into believing they live on.

A bloody spinning globe in a vacuum ::)...for crying out frigging loud. ???

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1191 on: December 09, 2017, 01:14:33 AM »
We use evidence and there is plenty of it.

What is wrong with centripetal force in an evacuation chamber?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1192 on: December 09, 2017, 01:15:22 AM »
We use evidence and there is plenty of it.

What is wrong with centripetal force in an evacuation chamber?
It doesn't work, that's what.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1193 on: December 09, 2017, 01:26:16 AM »
They are never individual molecules.
Think of the gobstopper.
The gobstopper is what would be the densest matter. Now it peels down and attaches, depending on the vibration and energy applied.
They don't just inflate like big balloons and expand.
The gaseous parts are a section of the gobstopper and depending on what we understand as gases is in how they are peeled and configured into molecular structures.
So Earth is a giant gobstopper, i.e. round, with the atmosphere layers of it?

But so far all your arguments appealed to individual magic air pieces, so why say they aren't individual now?

All answered and all misunderstood by yourself.
Nope. I have pointed out how your answers contradict themselves.

Not my issue if you are only able to copy stuff from mainstream to argue with and can't use your own brain on its own.
But it is your issue if I can use my brain, understand your model/"explanations" and show they don't work.

I explained but my mistake was probably not giving you a mainstream answer what you crave.
No, your mistake was giving 2 partial explanations in isolation rather than considering them together resulting in the 2 partial explanations contradicting one another resulting in no explanation.

I already know the mainstream answer. I want you to prove your model can work, or admit it can't.
So far you have shown it can't work.

All explained and all ignored by yourself.
You seem to love asserting that things are explained, even though you are yet to explain them.

What causes this liquid to gas phase transition?
How about you try to actually the issues raised rather than continually dismissing them with lies that you have already explained them?

Of course. Your mind is fully focused on your mainstream answers and that's why you'll never grasp what I'm saying.
These are not mainstream answers.
They are observations of reality.
It takes a lot of energy to turn liquid water into gaseous water (steam).
There is no justification for this energy requirement in your model.
The conversion from liquid to steam results in a massive expansion.
There is no justification for this sudden, massive expansion in your model.

I do grasp what you say, although lately it has just been assertions that it has already been explained.
The issue is that your explanations do not make sense when considered with reality.

This has been explained, but guess what?
It actually hasn't and you are just saying it has to avoid addressing the issue?

Remember how I gave you the sponge ball analogy?
Yes. Guess what? They are always touching, there is no reason for the massive discontinuity there.

How about you try addressing the issue instead of skirting around it?


Life would cease if that was the case because the entire point of it all is attachment of everything from the densest to the least dense, from bottom to top and everywhere in between.
No, that isn't the point of life at all.
The point of life is primarily to reproduce.
It relies upon breaking and remaking bonds.
It still works even with empty spaces existing.


They key is going back to square one. Something people like you can never do because your ready to absorb and narrate books are your mind. They dictate your mindset and no rival will change that unless the rival is another mainstream tweak.
And there you go insulting yet again.
I do that often, especially with you.
The problem is that I don't ignore reality while doing so.
This makes me realise your model doesn't work.
The other problem is that I build up from square one, rather than just considering each problem in isolation.
That means if something is established you can't just contradict it later on.

You're a waste of effort to be fair.
Only to people like you who cannot justify their claims.
But it doesn't seem like you are even putting in any significant effort.

What I say is for people to understand it from my side. A different take on .....wait for it.....
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.
So you want to set up a double standard where it is fine for you to assert whatever BS you want without any justification or backing and expect it to be accepted, while you reject mainstream science, even with all the evidence it provides.

You are almost bullied or peer pressured (similar thing) to follow what I said in that statement.
You literally do live on the stuff without any physical proof.
No, we don't.
We don't get bullied or pressured into it.
It is taught, with experiments and evidence provided.
If you want to reject it, go ahead, just don't be surprised when you are called out for your BS.
There is plenty of physical evidence which you have repeatedly ignored.

Meanwhile you are trying to bully people into accepting your BS, without any evidence at all.

I am asking nobody to live on what I say. I am asking those who are interested in questioning the bullied unprovable model to take a different mindset and look at other potentials without the burden on their bullies.
We have examined both. Guess what? Your model fails miserably. It is not a potential model to explain reality.
Meanwhile the mainstream model works fine with plenty of evidence backing it up.

At the very least people need to question.
People do question, that is how science grows. But you don't seem to like people questioning your model. Why is that?
Is it because you know it can't hold up?

If people don't want to question then don't waste a second trying to argue against me. But what do I see?
What you want to see.
What is actually there?
Rational people asking you questions which you are unable to answer and pointing out problems with your model which you are unable to address.

Why?
Because you have completely rejected reality and see what you want.

The thing is ....(this is for people looking in and those that are genuinely interested)..... there's some real experiments for people to do that show reality
Yes, experiments which show reality, including things like the centripetal force being an apparent force and inertia and gravity. Experiments you repeatedly ignore.

centripetal one in the evacuation chamber of which I showed in a diagram is just one small proof
No, it is proof of nothing.
You refused to answer questions on it, making it impossible to try to recreate it and leaving you room to dismiss any experiments that go against you.
You also failed to provide any evidence showing what occurred.

So what we have is really just your baseless claim.

That's just the start but denpressure answers all the reality problems
No it doesn't.
As this thread has shown, denspressure is unable to answer several "problems" from reality.
Meanwhile mainstream science explains it just fine.


A bloody spinning globe in a vacuum ::)...for crying out frigging loud. ???
And there you go with the ridicule again, almost like you know you can't provide a rational argument.

It doesn't work, that's what.
So did your balls stay on the disc, just sitting there, or better still, just spinning around with the disc without being thrown out?
No. In fact, you said they did fly out. The issue was that they didn't get stopped by the lid.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1194 on: December 09, 2017, 01:27:55 AM »
We use evidence and there is plenty of it.

What is wrong with centripetal force in an evacuation chamber?
It doesn't work, that's what.

Please can you describe or point me to the experiment and then explain why it doesn’t work.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1195 on: December 09, 2017, 01:38:15 AM »
That's just the start but denpressure answers all the reality problems
No it doesn't.
As this thread has shown, denspressure is unable to answer several "problems" from reality.
Meanwhile mainstream science explains it just fine.

Denpressure explains everything because denpressure is the reality as far as I'm concerned.


It doesn't work, that's what.
So did your balls stay on the disc, just sitting there, or better still, just spinning around with the disc without being thrown out?
No. In fact, you said they did fly out. The issue was that they didn't get stopped by the lid.
It's for genuine people to perform.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1196 on: December 09, 2017, 01:40:33 AM »


Please can you describe or point me to the experiment and then explain why it doesn’t work.
No.
Either look for it or don't.
If you find it then test it out yourself...or are you another scientist without a chamber to evacuate atmosphere?
Go and prove it to yourself, you have no need to deal with me in arguing against me when you can do it all yourselves.

What are you afraid of?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1197 on: December 09, 2017, 01:46:52 AM »


Please can you describe or point me to the experiment and then explain why it doesn’t work.
No.
Either look for it or don't.
If you find it then test it out yourself...or are you another scientist without a chamber to evacuate atmosphere?
Go and prove it to yourself, you have no need to deal with me in arguing against me when you can do it all yourselves.

What are you afraid of?

I’m not afraid of anything. I genuinely don’t know what experiment you are talking about. If you truly want to debate then please point me in the right direction.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1198 on: December 09, 2017, 01:48:33 AM »


Please can you describe or point me to the experiment and then explain why it doesn’t work.
No.
Either look for it or don't.
If you find it then test it out yourself...or are you another scientist without a chamber to evacuate atmosphere?
Go and prove it to yourself, you have no need to deal with me in arguing against me when you can do it all yourselves.

What are you afraid of?

I’m not afraid of anything. I genuinely don’t know what experiment you are talking about. If you truly want to debate then please point me in the right direction.
Look it up and decide what you want to do. I don't give a crap either way with people like you.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1199 on: December 09, 2017, 01:53:58 AM »


Please can you describe or point me to the experiment and then explain why it doesn’t work.
No.
Either look for it or don't.
If you find it then test it out yourself...or are you another scientist without a chamber to evacuate atmosphere?
Go and prove it to yourself, you have no need to deal with me in arguing against me when you can do it all yourselves.

What are you afraid of?

I’m not afraid of anything. I genuinely don’t know what experiment you are talking about. If you truly want to debate then please point me in the right direction.
Look it up and decide what you want to do. I don't give a crap either way with people like you.

Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
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