Denspressure vs Reality

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #840 on: November 30, 2017, 03:37:52 AM »
Your gravity demonstrations are not a demonstration of gravity when you do not know what gravity is.
Think about that.
Yes, I've thought about that.

Knowing what gravitation is (meaning what causes it) is totally irrelevant to the reality of gravitation.
Just as I have explained many times the reality of say electrostatic attraction was just as true before the ultimate cause was determined. And even now are you (or I) certain that we know the ultimate cause of even electrostatic attraction.

Now, what all those experiments demonstrate is that mass attracts mass and that is how gravitation is defined.
Numerous far more precise experiments have been performed to measure just how much mass attracts mass

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You might as well use gravity as a god and people can become gravity dependent or gravity on the fence or gravity denial.
Not true, mass attracting mass is well proven and that is how gravitation is defined.

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I choose full denial of it because I do not recognise it as anything, because simple logic tells me that it's a clear and absolute nonsensical so called force that is and isn't a force depending on how it's questioned.
I am afraid that simple logic, yours or anyone else's is totally inadequate when it comes to explaining "how things work".
In addition to simple logic, observation and measurement are absolutely necessary.

Aristotle tried to apply simple logic to what he saw and decided that maggots developed spontaneously from dirt, etc.
No, while simple logic is valuable, on its own it is not sufficient to determine how a system as large and as complex as the earth "works".

In the end, what one person, yourself, choses to deny is actually totally irrelevant.
Our knowledge of "how things work" has, of necessity,  been determined by many people performing many experiments and making many measurements.

One person acting alone, whatever that person's intelligence, cannot come to an understanding of everything around us.

This has been my point in so often pointing four here,
you, sceptimatic, Sandokhan, JRowe, obviously and İntikam
that oviously have a very high intelligence, yet come up with quite different causes for what we call gravity.

Clearly, simple logic alone is not sufficient.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #841 on: November 30, 2017, 03:39:28 AM »
Why do people assume that common sense and 'logic' are trustworthy?

A persons 'logic' is just a projection of how they believe the world around them 'should' be... It rarely has any relation to objective reality. There are occasional overlaps with reality that are coincidental, but that's about it.

If your main argument is that your position is 'logical' then you've lost already...
Nobody loses until there's something to lose.
A debate will remain so until someone destroys the other side of it with undisputable facts.

This is clearly not happening from both sides so the debate/arguments go on until someone backs down, which will not be me.


Debates and arguments may well go on until someone backs down, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't already lost.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #842 on: November 30, 2017, 03:40:38 AM »
Scepti....

I don't venture up in the upper fora much anymore and I have been distant for a bit from the site in general. So I did scan through the thread some (new put me on page one)....though did not read everything.

Random question though....what if denspressure was correct for the effect of gravity, but the earth was a sphere...the "dome" was not a dome but a sphere of some material (biological, electromagnetic etc) that still acted as a containment system.

I see no reason these two theories could not exist in harmony. Perhaps the earth is stationary but a sphere. Perhaps gravity is not caused by mass but by denspressure in the enclosed sphere.

I am just musing here...thinking out loud.
A sphere cannot hold an atmosphere against a so called vacuum. It would require a foundation for that atmosphere to stack.
A globe can provide no foundation to hold a stable dome and especially a so called spinning globe.

Everything must have a foundation and that foundation to is 100% required to hold a roof or any shape let alone a dome.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #843 on: November 30, 2017, 03:45:21 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #844 on: November 30, 2017, 03:52:05 AM »
Your gravity demonstrations are not a demonstration of gravity when you do not know what gravity is.
Think about that.
Yes, I've thought about that.

Knowing what gravitation is (meaning what causes it) is totally irrelevant to the reality of gravitation.
Just as I have explained many times the reality of say electrostatic attraction was just as true before the ultimate cause was determined. And even now are you (or I) certain that we know the ultimate cause of even electrostatic attraction.

Now, what all those experiments demonstrate is that mass attracts mass and that is how gravitation is defined.
Numerous far more precise experiments have been performed to measure just how much mass attracts mass

Quote from: sceptimatic
You might as well use gravity as a god and people can become gravity dependent or gravity on the fence or gravity denial.
Not true, mass attracting mass is well proven and that is how gravitation is defined.

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I choose full denial of it because I do not recognise it as anything, because simple logic tells me that it's a clear and absolute nonsensical so called force that is and isn't a force depending on how it's questioned.
I am afraid that simple logic, yours or anyone else's is totally inadequate when it comes to explaining "how things work".
In addition to simple logic, observation and measurement are absolutely necessary.

Aristotle tried to apply simple logic to what he saw and decided that maggots developed spontaneously from dirt, etc.
No, while simple logic is valuable, on its own it is not sufficient to determine how a system as large and as complex as the earth "works".

In the end, what one person, yourself, choses to deny is actually totally irrelevant.
Our knowledge of "how things work" has, of necessity,  been determined by many people performing many experiments and making many measurements.

One person acting alone, whatever that person's intelligence, cannot come to an understanding of everything around us.

This has been my point in so often pointing four here,
you, sceptimatic, Sandokhan, JRoweobviously/i] and İntikam
that oviously have a very high intelligence, yet come up with quite different causes for what we call gravity.

Clearly, simple logic alone is not sufficient.
I'm going to put this in a nutshell for you.


Go and find the biggest rock you can find and then set up a small rock on a line attached to a swivel on top of a set in the ground pole.
Set it up just 2 feet away if you want and I'll guarantee you that the large rock is not going to attract the smaller rock, unless the wind blows a certain way or that air pressure changes slightly.

This is why the bullcrap artists have to use massive time gauges for mass attracting mass, because they know that at some stage atmosphere will naturally change.

This gravity is pure nonsense at it's finest.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #845 on: November 30, 2017, 03:55:11 AM »
A sphere cannot hold an atmosphere against a so called vacuum. It would require a foundation for that atmosphere to stack.
A globe can provide no foundation to hold a stable dome and especially a so called spinning globe.

Everything must have a foundation and that foundation to is 100% required to hold a roof or any shape let alone a dome.

In this idea the earth was stationary.

What if the pressure itself was the "foundation"...the earth solid, then you have pressure pushing against the earth with forms the "anchors" for the sphere surrounding the earth...if the pressure were equal inside the sphere this would work perfectly.

Or perhaps an electromagnetic field instead of a solid one is what holds the pressure from exiting in space or whatever is out there. Formed as a biproduct from the pressure inside, so it doesn't actually need a "foundation"...

Just musing

I'm going to put this in a nutshell for you.


Go and find the biggest rock you can find and then set up a small rock on a line attached to a swivel on top of a set in the ground pole.
Set it up just 2 feet away if you want and I'll guarantee you that the large rock is not going to attract the smaller rock, unless the wind blows a certain way or that air pressure changes slightly.

This is why the bullcrap artists have to use massive time gauges for mass attracting mass, because they know that at some stage atmosphere will naturally change.

This gravity is pure nonsense at it's finest.

This is true...

The fact we cannot recreate any form of gravity is certainly a bit suspicious. Especially in low gravity situations. You should be able to replicate gravity experiments all day on the ISS in theory (if it is actually there)
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #846 on: November 30, 2017, 03:57:00 AM »
Why do people assume that common sense and 'logic' are trustworthy?

A persons 'logic' is just a projection of how they believe the world around them 'should' be... It rarely has any relation to objective reality. There are occasional overlaps with reality that are coincidental, but that's about it.

If your main argument is that your position is 'logical' then you've lost already...
Nobody loses until there's something to lose.
A debate will remain so until someone destroys the other side of it with undisputable facts.

This is clearly not happening from both sides so the debate/arguments go on until someone backs down, which will not be me.


Debates and arguments may well go on until someone backs down, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't already lost.
Only when someone loses will the debates stop and the only way for the debates to stop is for 100% proof to be shown, either way.

Mainstream science experts (so called) can not show these proofs.
They can theoretically tell us them and EXPECT us to believe it because they wear a lab coat or a badge that says they are smarter than the average bear...but they can never directly prove anything of the stuff that's argued.
If they could then nobody would have any need to even go there.

If you've noticed you'll see that more and more and more people are now sceptical and are questioning.


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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #847 on: November 30, 2017, 04:09:25 AM »
Why do people assume that common sense and 'logic' are trustworthy?

A persons 'logic' is just a projection of how they believe the world around them 'should' be... It rarely has any relation to objective reality. There are occasional overlaps with reality that are coincidental, but that's about it.

If your main argument is that your position is 'logical' then you've lost already...
Nobody loses until there's something to lose.
A debate will remain so until someone destroys the other side of it with undisputable facts.

This is clearly not happening from both sides so the debate/arguments go on until someone backs down, which will not be me.


Debates and arguments may well go on until someone backs down, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't already lost.
Only when someone loses will the debates stop and the only way for the debates to stop is for 100% proof to be shown, either way.

Mainstream science experts (so called) can not show these proofs.
They can theoretically tell us them and EXPECT us to believe it because they wear a lab coat or a badge that says they are smarter than the average bear...but they can never directly prove anything of the stuff that's argued.
If they could then nobody would have any need to even go there.

If you've noticed you'll see that more and more and more people are now sceptical and are questioning.



As I said, just because the debate carries on it does not mean someone hasn't already lost. You can debate a point that is known to be incorrect.

And being skeptical is not the same as jumping to conclusions, it's pretty much the opposite.

A lot of the FE'ers I see aren't 'skeptical' for the sake of truth, their supposed skepticism is a self serving psychological construct to compensate for their inability to find value in themselves within the predominant system.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #848 on: November 30, 2017, 04:13:38 AM »
In this idea the earth was stationary.

What if the pressure itself was the "foundation"...the earth solid, then you have pressure pushing against the earth with forms the "anchors" for the sphere surrounding the earth...if the pressure were equal inside the sphere this would work perfectly.
You would have no chance of having the energy you require from the Earth centre, because your ball could not hold an energy that is centralised to cater for the movement we see.
Obviously going by my self sustained cell.
This means that you cannot have a stacked atmosphere because the stack is dependent on that energy to create the agitation which creates the molecular change in pressures to create the stack.
You'd basically end up with a big solid covered in a solid ice cocoon.


Or perhaps an electromagnetic field instead of a solid one is what holds the pressure from exiting in space or whatever is out there. Formed as a biproduct from the pressure inside, so it doesn't actually need a "foundation"...

Just musing

The thing is on mine there is no need to stop anything from going into space or a supposed vacuum.
The end of expansion at the top of the stack is just that. It's a natural sort of dormant state or basically unable to agitate/vibrate in any real sense unless it can be ever so slightly altered by the passing reflective agitator of molecules (centralised sun) which can sort of create a super fluid sort of thing as it passes but then an immediate return to an almost super light (to us dense gits down here) solid.

I'm going to put this in a nutshell for you.


Go and find the biggest rock you can find and then set up a small rock on a line attached to a swivel on top of a set in the ground pole.
Set it up just 2 feet away if you want and I'll guarantee you that the large rock is not going to attract the smaller rock, unless the wind blows a certain way or that air pressure changes slightly.

This is why the bullcrap artists have to use massive time gauges for mass attracting mass, because they know that at some stage atmosphere will naturally change.

This gravity is pure nonsense at it's finest.
This is true...

The fact we cannot recreate any form of gravity is certainly a bit suspicious. Especially in low gravity situations. You should be able to replicate gravity experiments all day on the ISS in theory (if it is actually there)
In this day and age with the technology we have and the supposed feats of space and such that we are supposed to have achieved, you can bet your bottom dollar that, if gravity was real we would be shown it in a very clear way and not have it hidden behind silliness and ridiculous so called experiments that require people to be so precise and to actually accept the silly results whether it's a 1 millimetre movement of some mass or whatever.
It's as clear as the clearest day, ridiculous.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 04:20:46 AM by sceptimatic »

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #849 on: November 30, 2017, 04:17:53 AM »
The thing is on mine there is no need to stop anything from going into space or a supposed vacuum.
The end of expansion at the top of the stack is just that. It's a natural sort of dormant state or basically unable to agitate/vibrate in any real sense unless it can be ever so slightly altered by the passing reflective agitator of molecules (centralised sun) which can sort of create a super fluid sort of thing as it passes but then an immediate return to an almost super light (to us dense gits down here) solid.

Oh yeah, I forgot...on the model, what actually forms the "ceiling" is as you get higher and higher, it gets colder and colder...and eventually everything just stops and forms a solid.

If I remember correctly.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #850 on: November 30, 2017, 04:27:33 AM »
The thing is on mine there is no need to stop anything from going into space or a supposed vacuum.
The end of expansion at the top of the stack is just that. It's a natural sort of dormant state or basically unable to agitate/vibrate in any real sense unless it can be ever so slightly altered by the passing reflective agitator of molecules (centralised sun) which can sort of create a super fluid sort of thing as it passes but then an immediate return to an almost super light (to us dense gits down here) solid.

Oh yeah, I forgot...on the model, what actually forms the "ceiling" is as you get higher and higher, it gets colder and colder...and eventually everything just stops and forms a solid.

If I remember correctly.
Yep. Basically more compressed molecules at the bottom under massive agitation when the sun is around and higher up the stack becomes less and less compressed and takes up less and less space plus less and less agitation which means less and less pressure of friction against each other until they become so expanded on a smaller pressurised area then just have so little to push against.


This is also why stuff freezes inside an evacuation chamber because the pressure inside loses it's ability to agitate because of decompression of the once crammed molecules that are now being allowed to ALL push against each other as the pump pushed back the every increasing atmospheric pressure outside of the container to allow the expansion of the molecules to be allowed to push into the lower pressure  created by the p;umps push against that external pressure.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #851 on: November 30, 2017, 04:32:10 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Since it costs 2.72¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 5.44¢.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #852 on: November 30, 2017, 04:37:37 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #853 on: November 30, 2017, 06:38:01 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.
You are entitled to “it”. What you’re not entitled to do is present conjecture as if it were fact.  While it might make sense to you there has to be some reason to assume it works that way...e.g. observation of some process that indicates friction leads to light.  Making up stuff because it sounds plausible without any basis is not science.  What scientists do is form hypotheses based on some observation and test it out to see if they can disprove the theory.  So, if you put a heavy object in a chamber, placed the chamber on a scale, and evacuated it to see the change in weight of the object/chamber, that would be creating and testing a hypothesis.

IOW, until you test your theories you have nothing but conjecture and are in no position to present them as fact or claim everything else as nonsense.  Do you get that?

Mike
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #854 on: November 30, 2017, 06:59:11 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.
You are entitled to “it”. What you’re not entitled to do is present conjecture as if it were fact.  While it might make sense to you there has to be some reason to assume it works that way...e.g. observation of some process that indicates friction leads to light.  Making up stuff because it sounds plausible without any basis is not science.  What scientists do is form hypotheses based on some observation and test it out to see if they can disprove the theory.  So, if you put a heavy object in a chamber, placed the chamber on a scale, and evacuated it to see the change in weight of the object/chamber, that would be creating and testing a hypothesis.

IOW, until you test your theories you have nothing but conjecture and are in no position to present them as fact or claim everything else as nonsense.  Do you get that?

Mike
I've tested them and it works.

A flint.
Friction welding.
I could go on but you should be able to see how the supposed complicated isn't as complicated as it appears.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #855 on: November 30, 2017, 07:42:01 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.
You are entitled to “it”. What you’re not entitled to do is present conjecture as if it were fact.  While it might make sense to you there has to be some reason to assume it works that way...e.g. observation of some process that indicates friction leads to light.  Making up stuff because it sounds plausible without any basis is not science.  What scientists do is form hypotheses based on some observation and test it out to see if they can disprove the theory.  So, if you put a heavy object in a chamber, placed the chamber on a scale, and evacuated it to see the change in weight of the object/chamber, that would be creating and testing a hypothesis.

IOW, until you test your theories you have nothing but conjecture and are in no position to present them as fact or claim everything else as nonsense.  Do you get that?

Mike
I've tested them and it works.

A flint.
Friction welding.
I could go on but you should be able to see how the supposed complicated isn't as complicated as it appears.
Can we see those tests?  Not necessarily about friction but any about your model.  You've mentioned a few times that you have experiments but I listing specifically what they are.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #856 on: November 30, 2017, 08:12:33 AM »
It is somewhat akin to light with it behaving like a particle in some cases and a wave in other cases.
But that isn't an issue with our understanding of light, it is an issue with the understanding of what a particle is.
In reality it composed of particles, and like all particles, it has significant wave nature.
In fact, what we perceive as particles may be nothing more than a complex manifestation of this wave nature with waves interacting with each other.
Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
You can easily test that light acts like a particle
http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Quantum%20physics/text/Photoelectric_effect/index.html
Basically, for the beam of light to reduce the charge of the metal, it has to be above a certain frequency or nothing happens.
Light being a particle explains this, as the frequency of light is really the energy of an individual photon. The electrons in an atom have bound energy states, so can't take the energy to break free in pieces, they must take it all in one go, so that's why light above a certain frequency causes the photoelectric effect, as above that frequency one photon now has enough energy to free the electrons.

Since you neither believe electrons exist, or that light is a particle, whats your explanation.

Also what's your explanation for the photoelectric effect only working on metals that are negatively charged?
Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
What is the basis of that?!???
Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.
You are entitled to “it”. What you’re not entitled to do is present conjecture as if it were fact.  While it might make sense to you there has to be some reason to assume it works that way...e.g. observation of some process that indicates friction leads to light.  Making up stuff because it sounds plausible without any basis is not science.  What scientists do is form hypotheses based on some observation and test it out to see if they can disprove the theory.  So, if you put a heavy object in a chamber, placed the chamber on a scale, and evacuated it to see the change in weight of the object/chamber, that would be creating and testing a hypothesis.

IOW, until you test your theories you have nothing but conjecture and are in no position to present them as fact or claim everything else as nonsense.  Do you get that?

Mike
I've tested them and it works.

A flint.
Friction welding.
I could go on but you should be able to see how the supposed complicated isn't as complicated as it appears.
A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #857 on: November 30, 2017, 08:15:14 AM »

Can we see those tests?  Not necessarily about friction but any about your model.  You've mentioned a few times that you have experiments but I listing specifically what they are.
No.
Just try doing them or thinking on them like you do with the global model...don't you?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #858 on: November 30, 2017, 08:18:34 AM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #859 on: November 30, 2017, 08:29:53 AM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #860 on: November 30, 2017, 08:55:36 AM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
You have no clue what's happening.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #861 on: November 30, 2017, 08:57:04 AM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
You have no clue what's happening.
And you do?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #862 on: November 30, 2017, 09:01:16 AM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
You have no clue what's happening.
And you do?
I know how light works, yes.
I know how it all works but you have to descend into the very basics before you descend into the variations of it all that becomes more complicated the more it's deliberately skewed and lied about and even misinterpreted.

I'm not talking about the so called nuke reactors. Forget them. There's a big topic on that.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #863 on: November 30, 2017, 10:41:39 AM »
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
You have no clue what's happening.
And you do?
I know how light works, yes.
I know how it all works but you have to descend into the very basics before you descend into the variations of it all that becomes more complicated the more it's deliberately skewed and lied about and even misinterpreted.

I'm not talking about the so called nuke reactors. Forget them. There's a big topic on that.
Just out of curiosity I have a few questions.

1. Is there anything, like ANYTHING at all that you would be comfortable admitting you don't know or are at least unsure how it works? Or is just the possibility of being wrong about even the smallest of things such a scary thought that it is not even to be considered?

2. We are obviously all (well apart from you of course, and maaaaybe 'Saint Jane') way to dumb or indoctrinated to comprehend your ideas, so you have to stick to the very basics when trying to explain your 'musings', as I believe you called them, to us 'intellectual peasants', I get that. But I was just wondering, when you delve into the more complicated things do you ever use anything like formulas or equations or anything like that to try to quantify your ideas so that they could be easier tested or would that just be a hindrance and a waste of time because your pure intellect is on a level so high that you can do it all simply in your head completely intuitively?

3. Would it be possible that you try and adjust your language to conform to the language us lower primates use? I know you are on a completely different level of consciousness so it's only natural that your language would reflect that, but the rest of us are unfortunately stuck with this language and word meaning system that isn't as fluid as yours. We, weak minded as we are, conform to the meanings that were defined and assigned to words so its sometimes hard to follow what you are trying to say because the words you use don't always have the same meaning that we expect and are used to, so it would be great if you could lower yourself to our level so we could have a better chance to understand you.
Its probably completely redundant to say this, but of course we conform to this defined language system out of pure fear of being ridiculed and shunned from the herd, group think at it's best unfortunately, but what can you do, we can't all be strong like you :(

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #864 on: November 30, 2017, 10:48:45 AM »

Can we see those tests?  Not necessarily about friction but any about your model.  You've mentioned a few times that you have experiments but I listing specifically what they are.
No.
Just try doing them or thinking on them like you do with the global model...don't you?
Ok you don't want to show the experiments you've done.  That's fine.  Can you describe them in enough detail that someone else can try them?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #865 on: November 30, 2017, 12:02:50 PM »
Not understanding it fully doesn't mean we can't know it is gravity.
It doesn't mean you can know it is gravity, either.
Sure we can.
It is a force (real or apparent) that exists between masses. By definition that is gravity.

These demonstrations (among others) is also enough to clearly show denspressure is wrong.
It shows nothing of the sort.
Except it does, as it shows the force is proportional to mass, not volume or area or pressure.

Why does centrifugal force depend upon your reference frame?
Because it is an apparent force which exists in a rotating reference frame and is a result of that reference frame rotating.

Consider a car turning a corner.
People feel as if they are being pushed to the outside of the corner. But if you view it from an outside point of view, in an inertial reference frame, you observe that the objects inside the car continue following the same path they were before and no force acts on them, until they hit the side of the car or interact with something that has (like another person or in the case of a helium balloon the air in the car) at which point that starts forcing them to go around.

So in an inertial reference frame, there is no centrifugal force, there is just the centripetal force, forcing you to go in a circle when you interact with the sides.

The exact same applies in other non-inertial reference frames like an accelerating car.
It feels like you are being forced back into the seat when the car accelerates, but from an inertial reference frame you actually are being pushed by the car seat to be accelerated.
When the car stops it feels like you fly forward, but again you keep moving the same as you were before.

These forces only occur in non-inertial reference frames and are a result of the frame's movement. As such they are deemed apparent or fictitious forces.

I oppose inertia because of what it implies over and above what it should imply, which is merely a dense mass overcoming resistance.
Yes, that is most certainly over what it implies.
Inertia is more simply a dense mass resisting a change in motion.
This means that if it is at rest you will need some force to make it move. If it is moving, you will need some force to make it stop.

It's either a real force or it isn't. If it isn't, then it's nothing.
So you are nothing as you are not a real force?
Yes it must either be a real force or not a real force. But not being a real force doesn't mean it is nothing.

This is how silly it all is. It goes beyond pathetic.
No, that is just your objection to it.
You are completely unable to provide any rational objection and thus just dismiss it as silly.

It isn't so much an issue with gravity, it is an issue with our understanding/definitions of real and apparent forces.
Correct, it isn't an issue with gravity, it's an issue with those who made up the bullcrap trying to explain it all in the pathetic silly way they do to try and make it become real and for people to follow it and believe it has to be real, just because the explanations are complicated  in terms of it's use outside of reality, like so called space and such.
No, like I said, it is an issue with terminology.

Gravity is the best explanation we have for these phenomenon.

The rest of it can be explained perfectly well with denpressure which is reality.
BULLSHIT!
Denspressue has been completely unable to explain numerous phenomenon.

Light is another thing that's told with all kinds of clap trap.
Is this your way of saying that you don't understand it so you reject it?

This is what people's heads are stuffed with and they adhere to it like limpets because they don't know how to counteract it or are scared to try because they fear ridicule.
Or, because unlike you they actually understand it and see that it is the best explanation for the observed phenomenon.
They don't how to counteract it because there is nothing wrong with it.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #866 on: November 30, 2017, 12:33:46 PM »
This is true...
No, that is completely false. It has been done repeatedly. The force and movement is small, but it is there.

The fact we cannot recreate any form of gravity is certainly a bit suspicious. Especially in low gravity situations. You should be able to replicate gravity experiments all day on the ISS in theory (if it is actually there)
You mean like the above experiment which we can recreate?
Or do you mean artificial gravity so people walk around on the ISS like normal?
If so, that is because of the mass required due to how weak gravity is.

One issue with doing these on the ISS is the rotation of the ISS, and all the instruments around.

Just what sort of experiment did you want to do?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #867 on: November 30, 2017, 12:49:54 PM »
A debate will remain so until someone destroys the other side of it with undisputable facts.
As we have destroyed you. Yet you keep going.

You need to think about a change in volume means a few things.
It changes the compression from one part to another or from outside in or inside out.
Understand this and you'll understand why a sponge and a equal sized block of wood will measure a different weight by absorbing or repelling atmosphere.
Notice how rather than address the actual argument made, you resort to the same pathetic strawman?
Deal with what has been said, not what you want to have been said.

I have explained how a fluid barometer (or several) show that denspressure is false, where depending upon the exact interpretation of denspressure, they would all read the same as the weight is the same, or they would all be filled to the top due to the pressure differential.
I don't even know what you're even trying to say here.
Maybe you can explain this in one post only.
I have explained it all before, but rather than address it, you just say it has been explained, yet you are completely unable to provide that explanation.
The closest you have come is claiming that it would work based upon a pressure differential.
But if that was the case then a water and mercury filled barometer would behave the same, and it would behave the same regardless of if the tube was upright, at an angle, sideways or even upside down.
Instead, all the evidence shows it is dependent upon the height of the column of fluid above the water surface and thus the weight of the fluid. This also means the weight can't be proportional to pressure.

You do not expect a football to fit through a chainlink fence but a ping pong ball could be squeezed through and even a tennis ball could squeeze through of enough pressure was applied.
Now think about your structures with a bit more thought.
Again not addressing the argument.
Also, according to your claims of magic expanding and contracting molecules it should be fine.
In fact, if enough pressure was applied, you could get almost anything through a chain link fence (as long as it didn't destroy the fence), it just wont be the same on the other side.

The issue is that we aren't comparing footballs and ping-pong balls (at least I'm not).
I'm comparing air and air.
You have your air capable of magically permeating all "solid" objects (without even reacting with it), meaning it can squeeze through it, yet it magically can't allow it to keep squeezing through to just go through the material and come out the other side.

If structures are identical in every way down to the very top and bottom of the molecular make up then there would be no difference.
No, that is the key difference.
Their atomic makeup is different.
They have different atoms, but the same pattern.

This means the portion of voids is the same. Thus by your reasoning they would have identical densities.

Have a serious think about it or give me an example of you so called proof..
I already have, and you repeatedly ignroed it.
Numerous pure metals have an FCC crystal structure.
This has a packing factor of roughly 75%. That means that 25% of the structure is empty for your magic air to fill up.
This is the same with all materials with an FCC structure.
Yet aluminium has a density of around 3-5 g/ml, silver has a density of around 10 and iridium has a density of around 20.

This is impossible in your model.

I have shown how your explanations for why people feel like they are forced back into their seat are wrong as the same should happen with wind blowing on the car.
Would you like to explain why people's faces distort under acceleration?
Would that be the seats pushing back into their faces?  :P
Again, you don't address the issue raised, instead you completely ignore it and try to distract with other things.

Their faces distort because the contact between their skull and face is not strong and rigid enough to accelerate their face without distortion.
The acceleration is not even across the face (initially) and thus it distorts until the acceleration is equal.
It is the same reason as to why if you hold a ball on a string (by the string) and move your hand, the ball doesn't come straight away.

I have shown how your claim regarding the slinky disproving gravity is wrong due to the various forces acting on the parts of the slinky.
No you haven't.
You absolutely seriously have not.
Yes I have. You ignoring it and refusing to answer simple questions doesn't magically mean I haven't.

As a reminder, the bottom doesn't magically start moving after the top is released as the bottom still has the same forces acting on it. There is the spring from above pulling it up and gravity pulling it down.
It is only when the spring collapses that gravity wins and it starts falling.

Again, you've shown nothing to prove your side against mine other than telling me I'm wrong and you're right because mainstream scientists say you are.
Except I don't appeal to mainstream science at all.
Instead I appeal to simple observation and what you have said to use your own arguments against you.

A sphere cannot hold an atmosphere against a so called vacuum. It would require a foundation for that atmosphere to stack.
That foundation is the sphere itself.

Remember what you used as analogy to try and explain it?
A gobstopper.
Is a gobstopper flat or round?

A globe can provide no foundation to hold a stable dome and especially a so called spinning globe.
Sure it can, the air itself.
Remember what your excuse is for the dome, it gets too far away from the sun and freezes?

Everything must have a foundation and that foundation to is 100% required to hold a roof or any shape let alone a dome.
So what is the foundation for the foundation?
i.e. what is below your FE?
Then what is below that?
And what's below that?
Notice a problem?

What is the first thing supported on, or do you just have an infinite series of things?

Light is very simply friction of matter and the frequency of it and the compression of that matter by energy applied.
It's basically ramped up sound or vibrations at the basic end of the scale.
No, it is nothing like sound vibrations.
If it was, it would have the same limitations, being unable to pass through a near vacuum.
It would also travel at the same speed as sound.

And I know this will likely be a pointless question, but do you have anything to prove that baseless claim of yours?

Go and find the biggest rock you can find and then set up a small rock on a line attached to a swivel on top of a set in the ground pole.
Set it up just 2 feet away if you want and I'll guarantee you that the large rock is not going to attract the smaller rock, unless the wind blows a certain way or that air pressure changes slightly.
Except this and things similar to it have been done repeatedly and you just repeatedly ignore it.

Perhaps you should try it.

the only way for the debates to stop is for 100% proof to be shown, either way.
The provision of proof is not the important part.
It is the defeated side accepting it, and you have made it clear that you have no interest in doing that and that you will never back down (regardless of how many times you are proven to be wrong).

Mainstream science experts (so called) can not show these proofs.
Except they have been shown, repeatedly.
Again, you ignoring them doesn't mean they haven't been shown.

You would have no chance of having the energy you require from the Earth centre, because your ball could not hold an energy that is centralised to cater for the movement we see.
Why not?

Obviously going by my self sustained cell.
i.e. rejecting anything that goes against it because it goes against it rather than for any rational reason.

The thing is on mine there is no need to stop anything from going into space or a supposed vacuum.
The end of expansion at the top of the stack is just that. It's a natural sort of dormant state or basically unable to agitate/vibrate in any real sense unless it can be ever so slightly altered by the passing reflective agitator of molecules (centralised sun) which can sort of create a super fluid sort of thing as it passes but then an immediate return to an almost super light (to us dense gits down here) solid.
So what you are saying is that your previous response was pure bullshit and there is actually no need for any dome or any foundation and thus there is nothing wrong with your model working with a spherical Earth.

In this day and age with the technology we have and the supposed feats of space and such that we are supposed to have achieved, you can bet your bottom dollar that, if gravity was real we would be shown it in a very clear way
As it has been.

This is also why stuff freezes inside an evacuation chamber because the pressure inside loses it's ability to agitate because of decompression of the once crammed molecules that are now being allowed to ALL push against each other as the pump pushed back the every increasing atmospheric pressure outside of the container to allow the expansion of the molecules to be allowed to push into the lower pressure  created by the p;umps push against that external pressure.
This has already been explained to you.
It is evaporative cooling.
Just like boiling water takes energy, having water sit there and evaporate takes energy and it takes that energy from the substance in question.
This is why a bowl of water will typically be cooler than the surrounding environment.
If you bother measuring the temperature you will actually note that it gets quite cold when it freezes.

This is because the evaporative cooling results in a low enough temperature for it to freeze.

In reality for most things pressure helps them freeze.
The pressure pushes on it and prevents motion resulting in it solidifying, while reduced pressure means there is less holding the molecules back so they can go join the gas phase.

Observation and my thought process.
Yeah I know, I'm not entitled to it but the scientists are allowed to make anything up to suit.
No, the scientists aren't allowed to just make up anything.
They need to back it up in a rational manner with evidence and deal with evidence to the contrary.
Similarly, if you wish to claim something, you need to back it up in a rational manner with evidence and deal with evidence to the contrary.
But you don't do this. Instead you just assert nonsense and insult those that question it.

No scientist can come along and say X is a bunch of crap, it should really be Y; without providing any justification.
Instead they would need to say something more along the lines of:
According to X, this is the result you would expect to see. Instead you see this other result. Y explains this other result. Additionally, Y is still capable of explaining these other bits of evidence that support X.

You haven't done that.

A flint.
Friction welding.
I could go on but you should be able to see how the supposed complicated isn't as complicated as it appears.
And these are incompatible with the current model how?
Both of these are primarily examples of black body radiation. You heat something up and it glows.
But heating things up doesn't result in sound.
It can be glowing red hot (or white hot or even blue hot) and not give off any sound at all. This indicates it isn't like sound at all, instead there is a fundamentally different mechanism.

You have no clue what's happening.
No, that would be you.

I know how light works, yes.
I know how it all works but you have to descend into the very basics before you descend into the variations of it all that becomes more complicated the more it's deliberately skewed and lied about and even misinterpreted.
Good, then explain:
Black body radiation.
The double slit experiment.
Refraction.
Diffraction.
The photoelectric effect.
Cherenkov radiation.
Polarisation, both linear and circular as well as polarisers.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #868 on: November 30, 2017, 01:47:58 PM »

A flint, friction welding, etc.  Okay, so you’ve sufficiently tested your theory to the exclusion of all other possible sources of light, e.g. Cherenkov light?

Mike
Oh, you mean this stuff that can beat light in a race?   ::)

Come on for crying out loud. At least take me on with something you know what you're taking me on with instead of something handed to you as some kind of explanation of......................? of?......of?

Honestly you're wasting your time trying to go down this route. This is weak.
Well, Cherenkov light isn’t something handed to me.  While it is something we studied in Nuclear Power School and in college, it is also something I’ve witnessed and have actually taken a picture of.  So no, not some made up shit.

Mike
You have no clue what's happening.
And you do?
I know how light works, yes.
I know how it all works but you have to descend into the very basics before you descend into the variations of it all that becomes more complicated the more it's deliberately skewed and lied about and even misinterpreted.

I'm not talking about the so called nuke reactors. Forget them. There's a big topic on that.
It’s interesting that you seem to know more about everything than everyone else.  By your own comments the rest of us are incapable of comprehending anything; that we have no ability to think for ourselves and only able to live with the world our books and teachers have given us.  You act as if you’re the only person in history to be able to see the truth about how the world works.  I guess that makes you the most intelligent person on the planet.  Hell, since you believe Newton and Einstein to be wrong you’re probably the most intelligent person to ever live.  Amazing.

However, it’s a good thing you don’t wish to discuss reactors because you’re out gunned.

Mike
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #869 on: November 30, 2017, 02:14:39 PM »
Clearly, simple logic alone is not sufficient.
I'm going to put this in a nutshell for you.

Go and find the biggest rock you can find and then set up a small rock on a line attached to a swivel on top of a set in the ground pole.
Set it up just 2 feet away if you want and I'll guarantee you that the large rock is not going to attract the smaller rock, unless the wind blows a certain way or that air pressure changes slightly.

This is why the bullcrap artists have to use massive time gauges for mass attracting mass, because they know that at some stage atmosphere will naturally change.
Appeal to ridicule is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worth consideration
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This gravity is pure nonsense at it's finest.
Again,
Appeal to ridicule is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worth consideration

OK, suppose this "biggest rock you can find" is 10 m diameter. If it was granite it would have a mass of about 4163 Tonnes.
Ten suppose that your "small rock" is 10 cm diameter. Again if it was granite it would have a mass a bit under 4.2 kg.

If that "small rock" were almost touching the "biggest rock you can find" the force between them would be less than 5 mg force!
That force is about the weight of a coarse grain of sand!

So a slight wind would apply much more force that gravitation - that is why all gravitation experiments must be done where there is no air movement or better still in a near vacuum.

You and so many others just close your eyes to how weak gravitation really is.

But the earth has a mass of roughly 6 × 1024 kg or if you prefer 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg.
Of course, we are about 6.4 million metres from its centre while the centres of those rocks were only 5.05 m apart,
but 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg is such a huge mass that it attracts a mass of 1 kg with a force of 1 kg force.

Just understand that gravitation is a tremendously weak effect till the masses get to "astronomical" magnitudes.

But what are all these experiments, if not exactly what you are suggesting? There are no "massive time gauges" anywhere.

The Cavendish experiment and G, Genevieve Roeder-Hensley


Cavendish Experiment Revisited, Andrew Bennett


Cavendish experiment, proving mass derived gravity, flat earth debunker


The Cavendish Experiment at Bishop O'Connell High School, Inside Science


DeHaan Cavendish Balance, James DeHaan


Universal Gravitation Demonstration, Nick Merrill

But frankly I give up, obviously:
  • you are going to stick to your gravity is caused by denpressure,
  • Sandokhan to gravity is caused by the dextrorotatory strings of receptive subquarks,
  • JRoweSkeptic to gravity is caused by Aether flows towards that low concentrations and
  • İntikam to gravity is caused by Sky push.
Four quite different explanations for the simple mass attracts mass of Newtonian Gravitation.

Yet all you can ever do is ridicule, so I must repeat:
Appeal to ridicule is an informal fallacy
which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worth consideration.