Challenge to all Flat Earthers esp.. GlobeBusters - The Volvo Ocean Yacht race

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This around the world yacht race starts in a few days time and has legs from Cape Town to Auckland, and Auckland to Argentina around Cape Horn. There will be live tracking of all the yachts as they head around the world from Alacante in Spain on this route http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/ports_stories/17_Route-2017-18.html#explore
So it will be easy to plot the distances they travel every day based on the average speeds which they will give us per 24 hours and the global coordinates. It is thus a simple exercise to calculate the approximate distance from the tip of South Africa to Auckland New Zealand, and from Auckland to the time they pass the tip of South America. There are no jet streams to carry them at supersonic speed to fake the distances as claimed by some flat earthers for jet planes, just some ocean currents that may assist them and the good old wind, which will both help (or hinder) with the daily miles covered.
I bet no flat farther will use any of their available maps to show that the yachts would have to be going at world record speed to cross these Southern Oceans in treacherous conditions based on the grossly inflated milage their maps indicate.
So I challenge any flat earther, especially the GlobeBusters, Subirats, Sargent, Skiba, Flat Earth News, Phuket World, World History Official, etc, etc to follow this race, with its daily video updates from each yacht as they pass landmarks which prove their position and encounter problems,
Get your excuses ready now, because you know you cannot genuinely debunk this as it takes place!
Non acceptance of this challenge will mean an automatic admittance of the end of the Flat Earth movement and the shame that goes hand in hand with it!

I tried getting people to answer the same sort of thing during the Vendee Globe Single Handed race around the world almost a year ago. Funny, but not on flat earther ever commented or tried to debunk how it could happen.
I even had email conversations with Jeran (Jeranism, Globebusters) and got him interested in following the race. He even mentioned at the end of one of the Globebusters' three hour rants around the end of January that he was working on debunking the Globe using boats, but as expected, he was full of hot air and it was a case of premature JISM as usual.
I will try to find the episode later and put a link on here to prove his lie.

PS No Flat Earther will dare do this challenge and publish results as it will prove that they have to come up with a new impossible flat model, probably using wormhole travel in the Southern Oceans in order to travel at the required speeds to cross between the Southern Continents. I, on the other hand, will be following this race from the start and will gladly do the calculations daily for a few of the leading yachts as they "fly" across the flat earth distances in the south.

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LuggerSailor

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To add to the FE shame, there's also the Clipper round the world race currently sailing into Cape Town from Uruguay.
Position of each yacht is reported on http://clipperroundtheworld.com/race/standings

LuggerSailor.
Sailor and Navigator.

Thanks LuggerSailor, I will watch their progress from the restart in Cape Town on 31st October, a 5575 mile leg to Western Australia. http://clipperroundtheworld.com/race/leg/leg-3 We can start by showing what speed they would need to do on the flat earth to complete this leg as the GPS coordinates are given daily.
Tried to find Jeranism's statement that he was working on proving distances using boats, but gave up since it was too boring. I do have a link to my discussions as 'yachtsman' with him where he also claimed that no ships sailed from South America to Australia/New Zealand https://disqus.com/home/discussion/jeran/moon_hoax/#comment-3105796995

A snippet from the end of the chat -
 Yachtsman to jeranism • 8 months ago

I am willing to wager everything I have on this, are you? Don't be too hasty now, I will give you a chance to back out and offer an apology.
1.) http://www.sea-scanner.com/...
Check out the ports visited by Queen Victoria during her round the world cruise. She is currently in Chile, about to cross the Southern Pacific via a number of Islands on her way to Australia and New Zealand. You can follow her exact path over the next couple of weeks, along with the given speed she is traveling in knots to find the distances between each stop. Alternatively, you can check her itinerary and do Google Map distances and then Any FE model distances, which I estimate will be over twice the google distance if you follow the latitudes, and will see that the liner will need to travel around twice its maximum speed to reach the stops while traveling almost due west.
Note that unlike on the Vendee Globe race, they would not dare take a very southern route, since the storm, wind and wave conditions would make it very unpleasant for passengers, and there would be no stops along the way at interesting islands. The storms down there always travel west to east, so they would have to fight the weather all the way.
Would you like me to do a spreadsheet of actual distances, Globe and Flat between stops and then do calculations of average speeds required on both models between destinations?
2) IGLU cruise which left on 5th February from Santiago ending in Auckland and Sydney.
http://www.iglucruise.com/a...
3) The Costa Luminosa, about to depart Chile.
http://www.sea-scanner.com/...
4) Here is one that went the other way.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/t...
5) If you are worried that the Indian Ocean is being left out, check the itinerary for the Queen Mary II, currently sailing below Australia. On its round the world voyage it has recently visited South Africa, stopping at a few ports, gone on to Mauritius, and then across to Perth. The 8 day trip from Mauritius to Perth would give an average speed of 16.6 knots on Google earth using a direct route. I am afraid the average speed on the Azimuthal Equidistant Map would vary from 57 to 60 knots depending on a direct route not following latitudes properly, or if the route matched the Globe path actually traveled. Given that the top speed is around 30 knots, I think we have a problem, Houston!
http://www.sea-scanner.com/...
6) There are many cargo/tanker vessels that show up on the Global Marine Traffic sites in the Southern Hemisphere, which can be followed every 24 hours to see their progress. The average speed from these can easily be estimated and compared to top speeds of ocean going vessels.

Here are some facts:

Speed of Cruise Ships in Knots (kn)Ships Names Year Built Speed in KnotsCunard ms Queen Elizabeth 2010 23,7Cunard RMS Queen Mary 2 2004 29,3 - the fastest cruise ship in the worldCunard ms Queen Victoria 2007
23,7

The fastest average passenger ship crossing of the Atlantic averaged 35 knots (ship call United States in 1952!) and the fastest by any boat (Richard Branson) about 43 knots (powerboat Challenger II).

Enough information? Please let me know if you need spreadsheets with calculated speeds for Globe and Flat Earth between destinations.
Regards.

 Yachtsman • 8 months ago

    You are awfully quiet since my last comment

Yup, you guessed it, he gave up since he was beaten and like a true flat earther decided that staying silent was his only defence. He is a coward that needs to be exposed.

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gotham

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The Earth is still flat. 

Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.

FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.  It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.

The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.         

The Earth is still flat. 

Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.

FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.  It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.

The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.       
Actually traveling straight would not bring you back to where you started on a flat earth, but it would on a globe.
FE maps, particularly of the Southern Hemisphere don't even come close to matching reality.  The distances are far to great.  This can easily be checked by following aforementioned races.
It really works if you were to try it.

The Earth is still flat. 
that is an unproven claim
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Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.
it way closer to the truth than the mind play of some crazy persons
this yacht race would be impossible on a flat earth in the travel times that are recorded
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FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.  It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.
if you travel straight your travel straight and not in an arc
your claims makes so sense and you are unable to show any evidence to support your claims
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The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.       
how does wind knows anything, where is the brain of the wind?
wind is moving air and not a person.

The Earth is still flat.
Nope. Still round.

Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.
No gymnastics, just simple facts.
The distances and times indicate the common FE map is impossible. Other routes can then be used to show other paths are impossible.
We aren't the ones that need to get closer to the truth.

FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.
Yes, sometimes they get some regions closer, at the cost of other regions which then get further from the truth.


It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.
No, this makes no sense at all.
If you travel in a straight line on a flat Earth, you would continue along that straight line until you went past the ice rim. You would never return your starting point.

It is by going in a "straight" line but following the curve of Earth that you end up where you started. You can try that with a pen and a ball. This is what actually makes sense.

The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.       
If you think the wind is capable of knowing anything I suggest you seek psychiatric help. The wind is not a sentient entity. It cannot know anything.

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gotham

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If an individual says that the wind can not hold secrets you can not/will not understand they haven't studied enough science, yet.  Go revisit your favorite sources and report back to this thread once you figure it out.

If an individual says that the wind can not hold secrets you can not/will not understand they haven't studied enough science, yet.  Go revisit your favorite sources and report back to this thread once you figure it out.
Explain how the known distances in the Southern Hemisphere work on a flat earth map.

If an individual says that the wind can not hold secrets you can not/will not understand they haven't studied enough science, yet.  Go revisit your favorite sources and report back to this thread once you figure it out.

standard answer of somebody that have no explanation for his claims.

how about you explain how a flat earth is possible with all the confirmed distances.
I tried to find answers for the question about a possible flat earth, but I could not find one single explanation that would fit with the reality and would support a flat earth.

If an individual says that the wind can not hold secrets you can not/will not understand they haven't studied enough science, yet.  Go revisit your favorite sources and report back to this thread once you figure it out.
If someone says the wind can know things, they need to brush up on reality.

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rabinoz

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The Earth is still flat. 

Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.

FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.  It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.

The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.       
You claim that "FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth."

Please present these map(s) immediately because many flat earthers claim that the is no "official flat earth map".

In the FAQ, Jack says
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What does the earth look like?
As seen in the diagrams above, the earth is in the form of a disk with the North Pole in the center and Antarctica as a wall around the edge. This is the generally accepted model among members of the society. In this model, circumnavigation is performed by moving in a great circle around the North Pole.

The earth is surrounded on all sides by an ice wall that holds the oceans back. This ice wall is what explorers have named Antarctica. Beyond the ice wall is a topic of great interest to the Flat Earth Society. To our knowledge, no one has been very far past the ice wall and returned to tell of their journey. What we do know is that it encircles the earth and serves to hold in our oceans and helps protect us from whatever lies beyond.

Here is picture of a proposed, but certainly not definitive, flat earth:
Note that the map is "certainly not definitive", but there seem no doubt about "As seen in the diagrams above, the earth is in the form of a disk with the North Pole in the center and Antarctica as a wall around the edge".

But, it is easily proven that the Ice-WEall type map is simply incorrect, so where are these "maps(s) that get closer to truth."



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gotham

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Jack's usage of "generally accepted" makes sense. 

We are open to other maps for consideration.  Different versions of flat maps are being used for all the right reasons, as we speak.

Where we draw the line is using a globe to represent Earth shape.  It seems much more prudent to give FEers time to complete a proper Earth model. The surface of the Earth is quite large and some parts unexplored.         

The debunking of RET has been an important step in the process and does not occur without effort since it became so intertwined into almost every aspect of our lives.   

Jack's usage of "generally accepted" makes sense. 

We are open to other maps for consideration.  Different versions of flat maps are being used for all the right reasons, as we speak.

Where we draw the line is using a globe to represent Earth shape.  It seems much more prudent to give FEers time to complete a proper Earth model. The surface of the Earth is quite large and some parts unexplored.         

The debunking of RET has been an important step in the process and does not occur without effort since it became so intertwined into almost every aspect of our lives.
You still have not shown how distances in the Southern Hemisphere work on a flat earth.  You did claim that FE maps are closer to the truth.  Can you show this?

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Crutchwater

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Jack's

The debunking of RET has been an important step in the process and does not occur without effort since it became so intertwined into almost every aspect of our lives.


FE should invest in space travel...

Go take some pictures!
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

Jack's usage of "generally accepted" makes sense. 

We are open to other maps for consideration.  Different versions of flat maps are being used for all the right reasons, as we speak.

Where we draw the line is using a globe to represent Earth shape.  It seems much more prudent to give FEers time to complete a proper Earth model. The surface of the Earth is quite large and some parts unexplored.         

The debunking of RET has been an important step in the process and does not occur without effort since it became so intertwined into almost every aspect of our lives.

The global earth did never get debunked.
A possibility of a flat earth is never been proven.
That are simple the facts.
You are not able to prove it otherwise.

It was not a single one of the FEIB able to only show one evidence that supports the claim that the earth could  be flat.

Are you able to supply a genuine flat earth map ?
The only so-called flat earth maps I have seen are the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Ptojection of the Globe (Antarctica as the Ice Wall) and Tom Bishop supports the Bipolar AEP (Antarctica as a Continent).
The Earth is a Globe and these maps are just projections with their distortions.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Danang

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This around the world yacht race starts in a few days time and has legs from Cape Town to Auckland, and Auckland to Argentina around Cape Horn. There will be live tracking of all the yachts as they head around the world from Alacante in Spain on this route http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/ports_stories/17_Route-2017-18.html#explore
So it will be easy to plot the distances they travel every day based on the average speeds which they will give us per 24 hours and the global coordinates. It is thus a simple exercise to calculate the approximate distance from the tip of South Africa to Auckland New Zealand, and from Auckland to the time they pass the tip of South America. There are no jet streams to carry them at supersonic speed to fake the distances as claimed by some flat earthers for jet planes, just some ocean currents that may assist them and the good old wind, which will both help (or hinder) with the daily miles covered.
I bet no flat farther will use any of their available maps to show that the yachts would have to be going at world record speed to cross these Southern Oceans in treacherous conditions based on the grossly inflated milage their maps indicate.
So I challenge any flat earther, especially the GlobeBusters, Subirats, Sargent, Skiba, Flat Earth News, Phuket World, World History Official, etc, etc to follow this race, with its daily video updates from each yacht as they pass landmarks which prove their position and encounter problems,
Get your excuses ready now, because you know you cannot genuinely debunk this as it takes place!
Non acceptance of this challenge will mean an automatic admittance of the end of the Flat Earth movement and the shame that goes hand in hand with it!

The real Flat Earth Map ain't what we see so far. It's RFE Map, (reverse/real flat earth map) that is true. The center is the SOUTH POLE. While north pole ain't real. That's the edge of the flat earth.

Welcome RFE...

(Two previous models : RE & PFE will soon get knocked out!) :D
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 11:45:35 PM by Danang »
TRY: (Curved Grided) South Pole Centered FE Map AKA Phew FE Map and Downwards Universal Deceleration.

Phew's Silicon Valley: https://gwebanget.home.blog/

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PFE : Pervert Flat Earth  ;)
TRY: (Curved Grided) South Pole Centered FE Map AKA Phew FE Map and Downwards Universal Deceleration.

Phew's Silicon Valley: https://gwebanget.home.blog/

We are open to other maps for consideration.  Different versions of flat maps are being used for all the right reasons, as we speak.
Only when used as representations of a globe.
When used for a FE, they are being used for all the wrong reasons.
They are being used to push problems around to avoid admitting the FE does not work.


Where we draw the line is using a globe to represent Earth shape.  It seems much more prudent to give FEers time to complete a proper Earth model. The surface of the Earth is quite large and some parts unexplored.
They have been given plenty of time and failed completely.
There are even quite simple methods to produce rudimentary maps which show Earth can't be flat.

The globe is the best, simple, representation of Earth's shape.

The debunking of RET has been an important step in the process and does not occur without effort since it became so intertwined into almost every aspect of our lives.
It would be an important step, if anyone actually managed to do it.
So far every attempt has failed.
Meanwhile the debunking of a FE was an important step in establish RET, and that has been done in numerous ways.

The real Flat Earth Map ain't what we see so far. It's RFE Map, (reverse/real flat earth map) that is true. The center is the SOUTH POLE. While north pole ain't real. That's the edge of the flat earth.
We have been over this. Your map just pushes the problem elsewhere. The north pole is real. It is due north for everyone. It is a point, not a massive ring.

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rabinoz

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You claimed earlier:

FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.

Why do you refuse to provide these "FET . . . maps(s) that get closer to truth"?

If they really exist, please produce them immediately.

On another thread, another FEer is also refusing to provide information that he claims proves his case.

Are all flat earthers simply bags of hot air with no real facts and no answers. Honestly, it is starting to look that way.


There are some points he raised that are truthful. Not the truth, just truthful. The context in which he uses it are what prevent these statements from being true.
The Earth is still flat. 

Total bunkum


Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape.  Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.


Even more bunkum.




FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth.  It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.
     

Truthful. Not the truth, just truthful.
FET has maps that get close to the truth. The truth is the earth isn't flat. So these maps are azimutal projections that are meant to address specific issues. The earth being flat unfortunately is not one of those issues. I watched a video of some guy using flight times and distances between airports to create a map of the flat earth. Fella got stuck when he had to use 2 Australias just to get the distances to work. I think he eventually gave up. The world as we know it is definitely not possible if it were flat.

Also moving "in a straight line" will circumnavigate a flat earth. Mainly because we move with respect to the north pole. Change that to moving with respect to the south pole which is really just as easy. You will either
1. Circumnavigate the earth. Or
2. Crash into the ice wall.

Guess which actually happens. Just guess.




The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.       
Not sure if that's the wind generated by the interactions between a distant sun and a rotating spherical earth or the one coming out of your arse  ;D :D The truth or truthfulness depends on which.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 08:27:26 AM by SpaceCadet »

This around the world yacht race starts in a few days time and has legs from Cape Town to Auckland, and Auckland to Argentina around Cape Horn. There will be live tracking of all the yachts as they head around the world from Alacante in Spain on this route http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/ports_stories/17_Route-2017-18.html#explore
So it will be easy to plot the distances they travel every day based on the average speeds which they will give us per 24 hours and the global coordinates. It is thus a simple exercise to calculate the approximate distance from the tip of South Africa to Auckland New Zealand, and from Auckland to the time they pass the tip of South America. There are no jet streams to carry them at supersonic speed to fake the distances as claimed by some flat earthers for jet planes, just some ocean currents that may assist them and the good old wind, which will both help (or hinder) with the daily miles covered.
I bet no flat farther will use any of their available maps to show that the yachts would have to be going at world record speed to cross these Southern Oceans in treacherous conditions based on the grossly inflated milage their maps indicate.
So I challenge any flat earther, especially the GlobeBusters, Subirats, Sargent, Skiba, Flat Earth News, Phuket World, World History Official, etc, etc to follow this race, with its daily video updates from each yacht as they pass landmarks which prove their position and encounter problems,
Get your excuses ready now, because you know you cannot genuinely debunk this as it takes place!
Non acceptance of this challenge will mean an automatic admittance of the end of the Flat Earth movement and the shame that goes hand in hand with it!

The real Flat Earth Map ain't what we see so far. It's RFE Map, (reverse/real flat earth map) that is true. The center is the SOUTH POLE. While north pole ain't real. That's the edge of the flat earth.

Welcome RFE...

(Two previous models : RE & PFE will soon get knocked out!) :D

you never did show any evidence that you idea could be right.
your "model" is simply impossible.

would like be interesting to know what the distance between Saskatoon and Toronto in Canada is.
and than compare the distance with the distance from Saskatoon to Austin/Texas.

show us what your result is.

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LuggerSailor

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Haven't the Clipper Race yachts gone a long way south https://www.clipperroundtheworld.com/race/standings
I'd like to see those tracks plotted on a flat earth map.
LuggerSailor.
Sailor and Navigator.

Haven't the Clipper Race yachts gone a long way south https://www.clipperroundtheworld.com/race/standings
I'd like to see those tracks plotted on a flat earth map.

Obviously this won't show their exact routes, but you can get a general idea by generating a great circle route map between Cape Town and Perth (CPT-PER) using the Great Circle Mapper.

Under the "Map Conf" tab, select "Azimuthal Equidistant" for the projection, and 90N0E (the North Pole) as the center.

Flat Earth map:


Globe (orthographic projection, centered at 43S70E, approximately halfway along the route, a few degrees north of Port-aux-Français):
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