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« Reply #540 on: February 04, 2018, 01:54:17 AM »
It's not cute at all how you and the rabbibot continually supply incorrect and misleading data on any and all scientific subjects,
Really?
When you can't even explain why gravity doesn't force the moon down to crash into the earth - after all the moon is a satellite of the earth.

What an ignorant loser!


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« Reply #541 on: February 04, 2018, 01:55:09 AM »
Back on topic, i.e. the rabbibot's madness:

I was too busy laughing at this:
Yup, that's what I said! gravity might be causing a downwards force on you, but it is not forcing you down.
THAT'S STILL WHAT HE SAID!
Yup, I said that
YUP HE DEFINITELY SAID THAT!
OK, laugh at this: how do planes stay up there in the sky, since you insist that "gravity forces things down"?
http://smartflighttraining.com/beginners-series-four-forces-flight

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« Reply #542 on: February 04, 2018, 02:28:16 AM »
Papa, do you consider yourself a typical flat Earther? Or are you more than run-of-the-mill FE'er?

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« Reply #543 on: February 04, 2018, 03:15:49 AM »
I think he said gravity does force you down...only when you are sitting on a chair then gravity will distinguish between you and the chair and does not force you through your own chair....or something amazingly stupid along those lines....... ;D
Had you bothered to look into the history of it, you would find that I was the one that explained,
"If you are sitting on a chair, the chair supplies the resisting force that stops you accelerating downwards."

See here for the "Completely Nonsensicial detail": ;D ;D History of "Gravity does not force things down" « Reply #8 on: Today at 11:20:12 AM »" ;D ;D

Please get your facts right, for a change!
I am more of the opinon that space and time (space-time)are simply curved near heavy masses.
And things try to go along “straight lines” but this so called curved space-time makes them move the way they do...
I don't need all of your nonsical talk about ''forces'' and ''chairs'' and all, because i have a perfect visualisation about Einstein's hypothetical model and how objects travel along the lines of curved space-time.

But you are unable to make up your mind, which became so obvious in your conversations with Papa .

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« Reply #544 on: February 04, 2018, 04:26:03 AM »
I am more of the opinon that space and time (space-time)are simply curved near heavy masses.
Sure, in General Relativity gravitation is just spacetime being curved by mass.
Though care needs to be taken in saying "that space and time" are "being curved by mass" because the curvature of space (or as GR buffs like to say, the "space-like component of spacetime") is so small near the earth as to be completely unmeasurable.
One writer described the "bending of space" near the surface of the earth as increasing the effective diameter by about 1 cm in 12,740 km - one part in 1.27 billion. No-one can measure distance to this precision, but that difference in time measurement is significant.

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And things try to go along “straight lines” but this so called curved space-time makes them move the way they do...
With such a minute bending of space, I had often wondered how GR explains gravitation, but roughly the explanation is that the "curving of time" bends future geodesics (your "straight lines") towards the mass.
I won't try to explain it further or I'll quickly get out of my depth - I can "picture it", but putting it into sensible words is a different matter.

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I don't need all of your nonsical talk about ''forces'' and ''chairs'' and all, because i have a perfect visualisation about Einstein's hypothetical model and how objects travel along the lines of curved space-time.
Good for you, but the exact solution to Einstein's General Relative is not even possible.
It can be used to get an understanding of what is happening.
But then either
  • approximations are used, for example the "Schwarzschild Metric" is the solution to the Einstein field equations that describes the gravitational field outside a spherical mass, subject to certain approximations or
  • numerical solutions are used for particular situations.

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But you are unable to make up your mind, which became so obvious in your conversations with Papa .
No, I am not "unable to make up my mind", but the GR solutions are quite impossible to use in "normal" situations.
(And I would not have a ghost of a chance of using them and neither would you or Papa Legba.)

What is very important is that the solution to that Schwarzschild Metric near say the earth leads precisely to all of Newtonian Mechanics and more.
From that solution comes Newton's Laws of Motion and Gravitation as well as centripetal and Coriolis effects.

So, guess what theory is used for virtually all calculations on earth and even in orbital mechanics - Newton's Laws!

There are a few cases where the end result is "corrected for relativity" and that is much easier than using GR from the start.
And cosmologists need the "full-blown" GR, but let's not go there - it's all too "conjectural"

GR only gives a different result when velocities get to an appreciable fraction of that of light and/or when near large mass/energies.

Even near the Sun, the difference is so small that it was borderline whether Eddington could detect the bending of light, though that situation has changed drastically with radio-astronomy.

So, no I am not confused and using Newtonian gravitation in the exchanges with Papa Legba is quite valid.

In GR the "force" results when you prevent an object from following its geodesic and
in Newtonian Gravitation the "force" results when you prevent an object from following its free-fall.

They are essentially just two ways of looking at the same thing.

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« Reply #545 on: February 04, 2018, 06:14:02 AM »
Says the windbag that doesn't think gravity is one of the four forces of flight:

I was too busy laughing at this:
Yup, that's what I said! gravity might be causing a downwards force on you, but it is not forcing you down.
THAT'S STILL WHAT HE SAID!
Yup, I said that
YUP HE DEFINITELY SAID THAT!
OK, laugh at this: how do planes stay up there in the sky, since you insist that "gravity forces things down"?
http://smartflighttraining.com/beginners-series-four-forces-flight

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« Reply #546 on: February 04, 2018, 09:35:28 AM »
Maybe someone should draw a free body diagram for Papa Legba.
Maybe someone ought to explain WHAT A FREE BODY DIAGRAM IS to you!!!

Last time someone asked for one, you provided this loser of a post:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=72335.msg2014497#msg2014497
It's so cute how you can't let stuff go.  Especially when it does nothing to help your argument.

It's not cute at all how you and the rabbibot continually supply incorrect and misleading data on any and all scientific subjects, no matter how simple, then blithely lie about the matter as if it is irrelevant.

I suspect your response to this will be no NO U!

Try to surprise me, eh?
How am I supposed to surprise you when you give me such an obvious setup?

*edit*  BTW, no one was surprised when you and totallackey were triggered to respond to the FBD crack.  It's almost as if both of you were programmed to react. :P
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« Reply #547 on: February 04, 2018, 09:52:36 AM »
Maybe someone should draw a free body diagram for Papa Legba.
Maybe someone ought to explain WHAT A FREE BODY DIAGRAM IS to you!!!

Last time someone asked for one, you provided this loser of a post:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=72335.msg2014497#msg2014497
It's so cute how you can't let stuff go.  Especially when it does nothing to help your argument.

It's not cute at all how you and the rabbibot continually supply incorrect and misleading data on any and all scientific subjects, no matter how simple, then blithely lie about the matter as if it is irrelevant.

I suspect your response to this will be no NO U!

Try to surprise me, eh?
How am I supposed to surprise you when you give me such an obvious setup?

By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...

Or do you think no one notices that you lie about these subjects all the time?
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« Reply #548 on: February 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #549 on: February 04, 2018, 10:14:23 AM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
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« Reply #550 on: February 04, 2018, 11:26:53 AM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #551 on: February 04, 2018, 11:49:06 AM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?

They also contain a lot of aerodynamics, fluid mechanics etc, markbot.

And you don't understand them either.

Here are the things you do understand, to save further confusion:

Shitposting.

Lying.

Time wasting.

Derailing.

Sockpuppeting.

Thread manipulation.

Saying NO U!!!

Copraphagia.

Stick to them, eh, markbot?
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« Reply #552 on: February 04, 2018, 12:05:06 PM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?

They also contain a lot of aerodynamics, fluid mechanics etc, markbot.
What do aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., have to do with satellites orbiting in the near perfect vacuum of space?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #553 on: February 04, 2018, 12:14:39 PM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?

They also contain a lot of aerodynamics, fluid mechanics etc, markbot.
What do aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., have to do with satellites orbiting in the near perfect vacuum of space?

Oh, I forgot to include Time Wasting on my list...

I'll just nip back and edit it in.
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« Reply #554 on: February 04, 2018, 12:25:36 PM »
*edit*  BTW, no one was surprised when you and totallackey were triggered to respond to the FBD crack.  It's almost as if both of you were programmed to react. :P
Every time you post some piece of shit you pull out of your diaper as a reference to support your position Opus, I will point it out...

You want to consider that part of programming, so be it.

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« Reply #555 on: February 04, 2018, 12:34:07 PM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?

They also contain a lot of aerodynamics, fluid mechanics etc, markbot.
What do aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., have to do with satellites orbiting in the near perfect vacuum of space?

Oh, I forgot to include Time Wasting on my list...

I'll just nip back and edit it in.
Then you admit that aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., are not relevant and Newtonian dynamics are sufficient to explain satellite orbits?  Good to know.
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« Reply #556 on: February 04, 2018, 12:50:59 PM »
By actually providing an accurate free body diagram, or even understanding simple physical laws such as Newtonian Dynamics...
Are you saying that Newtonian dynamics don't allow objects to orbit the earth?

No, that's the principles of ballistics you'll be needing.

You don't understand them either.
So now you're saying that the principles of ballistics aren't based on Newtonian dynamics?

They also contain a lot of aerodynamics, fluid mechanics etc, markbot.
What do aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., have to do with satellites orbiting in the near perfect vacuum of space?

Oh, I forgot to include Time Wasting on my list...

I'll just nip back and edit it in.
Then you admit that aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc., are not relevant and Newtonian dynamics are sufficient to explain satellite orbits?  Good to know.

Incorrect.

Satellite orbits are not based on any Dynamics at all as they do not exist.

And I already proved it on page one.

With ballistic principles that in fact predate Newton.

Hence your interminable shitposting thereafter.
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« Reply #557 on: February 04, 2018, 01:05:25 PM »
Satellite orbits are not based on any Dynamics at all as they do not exist.
Then how does the moon orbit the earth?
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« Reply #558 on: February 04, 2018, 01:10:41 PM »
Satellite orbits are not based on any Dynamics at all as they do not exist.
Then how does the moon orbit the earth?

Irrelevant.

The moon is not a man made satellite.

Which is what we are discussing btw, markbot.

But Rabinoz thinks that fairies are holding it up if you're interested.
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« Reply #559 on: February 04, 2018, 01:38:58 PM »
And I already proved it on page one.

Incorrect.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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« Reply #560 on: February 04, 2018, 01:50:01 PM »
Nah.

Look:

sattelites  ;D
below are a few artists impressions (of course) of alleged satellites in "orbit".





take a good look

OK.

The second one says: "Note: Artist's impression; size of debris exaggerated as compared to the Earth"

The first one isn't to scale, either.

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and mull over the following.....

it is claimed many thousands of satellites are currently in "orbit", it is also claimed many thousands of tons of meteorites fall to earth each year......hmmmmm.

of course some micro meteorites are classed as dust, ok fair enough, even one the size of a pea travelling at high velocity would at least cause damage or bump one a fraction of a degree onto a different trajectory.

Out of those "thousands of tons", how many objects are the size of a pea? If you don't know, why did you bring it up? How much of a "bump" would such an object cause? Unless you run some calculations, you're just speculating with no rational basis.

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so..looking at the above artists impressions, and accounting for natural space debris...isn't this idea of thousands of satellites just chilling, avoiding high velocity debris and each other just complete bollocks ?

Nope!

Most man-made objects in orbit (satellites and "space junk") are in the region of low earth orbit roughly 200 to 500 km above earth's surface (ISS is around 400 km). The volume of this region is 130 billion cubic kilometers. That's 13,000 km3 each for ten million objects. For reference, a cube with volume 13K km3 would be about 23.4 km on a side.

Despite what those images show, satellites are pretty far apart on average.

What about natural stuff up there? If you can get a reliable estimate of its distribution, you should do the math and show us what you find. Until you do the math (based on reasonable estimates) your speculation is meaningless.

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has anyone ever imaged the thousands of satellites in "orbit" ?

Has one person imaged all of them? Highly unlikely. So?

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it appears the satellite squad shift between "you can see them with the naked eye" and "they are to small to see" juggling which ever response meets their needs, bless em, just don't expect any actual evidence.

The larger and brighter ones can easily be seen naked eye. To see the dimmer ones (dimmer because they're small, nonreflecting, or distant) requires optical aid. Where's the problem? This is like pretty much everything else.

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so imho orbiting satellites don't pass the sniff test.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It should be given attention commensurate with the actual effort you put into forming it, which appears to be vanishingly small.

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thanks for your time.

You're welcome!

Cool story bro...

You should write a book about it.

Ah, snap!

Someone beat you to it:

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/0525arthur-c-clarke-proposes-geostationary-satellites/

Anyhoo, if these satellites are still being permanently affected by gravity then why aren't they constantly accelerating?

They supposedly start off at 17,000 mph, and gravity will accelerate them at a further 9.8 metres per second squared...

So after a week or two they should all be whizzing round the Earth at an ungodly rate...

The night sky would look like a Catherine wheel!

Yet this does not happen, does it?

Because they don't exist.
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« Reply #561 on: February 04, 2018, 01:56:25 PM »
Satellite orbits are not based on any Dynamics at all as they do not exist.
Then how does the moon orbit the earth?

Irrelevant.

The moon is not a man made satellite.
What's the difference between how man made satellites orbit the earth (assuming that they could) and how natural satellites orbit the earth?
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« Reply #562 on: February 04, 2018, 01:58:51 PM »
Nah.

Look:

sattelites  ;D
below are a few artists impressions (of course) of alleged satellites in "orbit".





take a good look

OK.

The second one says: "Note: Artist's impression; size of debris exaggerated as compared to the Earth"

The first one isn't to scale, either.

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and mull over the following.....

it is claimed many thousands of satellites are currently in "orbit", it is also claimed many thousands of tons of meteorites fall to earth each year......hmmmmm.

of course some micro meteorites are classed as dust, ok fair enough, even one the size of a pea travelling at high velocity would at least cause damage or bump one a fraction of a degree onto a different trajectory.

Out of those "thousands of tons", how many objects are the size of a pea? If you don't know, why did you bring it up? How much of a "bump" would such an object cause? Unless you run some calculations, you're just speculating with no rational basis.

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so..looking at the above artists impressions, and accounting for natural space debris...isn't this idea of thousands of satellites just chilling, avoiding high velocity debris and each other just complete bollocks ?

Nope!

Most man-made objects in orbit (satellites and "space junk") are in the region of low earth orbit roughly 200 to 500 km above earth's surface (ISS is around 400 km). The volume of this region is 130 billion cubic kilometers. That's 13,000 km3 each for ten million objects. For reference, a cube with volume 13K km3 would be about 23.4 km on a side.

Despite what those images show, satellites are pretty far apart on average.

What about natural stuff up there? If you can get a reliable estimate of its distribution, you should do the math and show us what you find. Until you do the math (based on reasonable estimates) your speculation is meaningless.

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has anyone ever imaged the thousands of satellites in "orbit" ?

Has one person imaged all of them? Highly unlikely. So?

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it appears the satellite squad shift between "you can see them with the naked eye" and "they are to small to see" juggling which ever response meets their needs, bless em, just don't expect any actual evidence.

The larger and brighter ones can easily be seen naked eye. To see the dimmer ones (dimmer because they're small, nonreflecting, or distant) requires optical aid. Where's the problem? This is like pretty much everything else.

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so imho orbiting satellites don't pass the sniff test.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It should be given attention commensurate with the actual effort you put into forming it, which appears to be vanishingly small.

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thanks for your time.

You're welcome!

Cool story bro...

You should write a book about it.

Ah, snap!

Someone beat you to it:

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/0525arthur-c-clarke-proposes-geostationary-satellites/

Anyhoo, if these satellites are still being permanently affected by gravity then why aren't they constantly accelerating?

They supposedly start off at 17,000 mph, and gravity will accelerate them at a further 9.8 metres per second squared...

So after a week or two they should all be whizzing round the Earth at an ungodly rate...

The night sky would look like a Catherine wheel!

Yet this does not happen, does it?

Because they don't exist.

There are at least 1450 satelites in orbit hardly the density you maintain. To say it’s like a Catherine wheel is just the kind of stupid statement one would expect from you. How many aircraft do you think there are flying at any particular moment? I would say it would be in the many many thousands, yet the sky hardly looks as you claimed ‘like a Catherine Wheel’
Your notion of how they move is just as stupid!
I think your take on this whole subject just demonstrates how out of touch you are’
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« Reply #563 on: February 04, 2018, 02:01:25 PM »
From page four:

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit




Thank you for your humourless bot generated copy pasta.

Sadly, it does not take into account the fact that gravity accelerates objects at the rate of 9.8 metres per second squared.

This has never been observed to be otherwise, so don't claim it has, botty boy.

This means that, for every second an object is influenced by gravity its velocity with increase by 9.8 metres per second.

Now, there are 31 million seconds in a year.

And the silly fake ISS has allegedly been in orbit for 20 years..

So, multiply 31 million by 20 by 9.8 and you will have the velocity in metres per second the silly fake ISS must be travelling at by now..

I have it as vastly exceedingly the speed of light.

You, however, will shitpost otherwise.

Luckily, you will be on my bot-ignore list by then, so I will not have to read your mad tl;dr bullshit.

Hurrah!
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« Reply #564 on: February 04, 2018, 03:10:57 PM »
From page four:

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit




Thank you for your humourless bot generated copy pasta.

Sadly, it does not take into account the fact that gravity accelerates objects at the rate of 9.8 metres per second squared.

This has never been observed to be otherwise, so don't claim it has, botty boy.

This means that, for every second an object is influenced by gravity its velocity with increase by 9.8 metres per second.

Now, there are 31 million seconds in a year.

And the silly fake ISS has allegedly been in orbit for 20 years..

So, multiply 31 million by 20 by 9.8 and you will have the velocity in metres per second the silly fake ISS must be travelling at by now..

I have it as vastly exceedingly the speed of light.

You, however, will shitpost otherwise.

Luckily, you will be on my bot-ignore list by then, so I will not have to read your mad tl;dr bullshit.

Hurrah!

And you can see the ISS if you want if you have a mind to,......but I suppose it’s difficult with a bot with no legs to venture outside, or it could be your just  afraid of the dark

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Re: uh oh. another nail. sorry guys.
« Reply #565 on: February 04, 2018, 03:19:32 PM »
Another shillbot that refuses to acknowledge gravity is an accelerative downwards force.

Had a whole thread full of em...

Embarrassing.
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Re: uh oh. another nail. sorry guys.
« Reply #566 on: February 04, 2018, 03:20:02 PM »
And you "conveniently" tried to ignore and forget this:

Thank you for your humourless bot generated copy pasta.

Sadly, it does not take into account the fact that gravity accelerates objects at the rate of 9.8 metres per second squared.

This has never been observed to be otherwise, so don't claim it has, botty boy.

This means that, for every second an object is influenced by gravity its velocity with increase by 9.8 metres per second.

Now, there are 31 million seconds in a year.

And the silly fake ISS has allegedly been in orbit for 20 years..

So, multiply 31 million by 20 by 9.8 and you will have the velocity in metres per second the silly fake ISS must be travelling at by now..

I have it as vastly exceedingly the speed of light.

You, however, will shitpost otherwise.

Luckily, you will be on my bot-ignore list by then, so I will not have to read your mad tl;dr bullshit.

Hurrah!

You're welcome.

But, I'm sorry to disappoint you, g = 9.8 m/s2 works only at 45 degrees latitude at the sea level.
At poles g = 9.83 m/s2, at equator 9.78, at the top of Mount Everest 9.77, at altitude of 100 km 9.55 and at 1000 km g is 7.33.

As you can see, higher you go, g gets lower.
Geostationary orbit is at 35 786 km. From altitudes above you can calculate g there.
If you don't believe me, at different latitudes and accessible altitudes you can measure g for yourself.
Method with pendulum is described on the Internet and not hard to perform.
If you had access to precise accelerometer it would make that task easier.

You already know that circular orbit of satellite includes centripetal acceleration.
As g decreases with altitude, and tangential and angular speed adjusts to match centripetal acceleration with it,
we come to geostationary orbit (or "geosynchronous orbit").

Some satellites remain there, others are in lower orbits where they simply have angular speeds higher than geostationary ones, to maintain orbits.

Capisci?

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/circles/Lesson-3/The-Value-of-g
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Re: uh oh. another nail. sorry guys.
« Reply #567 on: February 04, 2018, 03:35:27 PM »
And what is the alleged value of g on the silly fake ISS then?

In metres per second squared, please.

Spam it up and we'll do the math on it, eh?

I guarantee the math will state that it must be travelling at billions of miles per hour by now...

Off you go!
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Re: uh oh. another nail. sorry guys.
« Reply #568 on: February 04, 2018, 03:51:00 PM »
How many years have you been under the influence of the earth's accelerative gravitation? 

Why aren't you traveling billions of miles per hour?
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Re: uh oh. another nail. sorry guys.
« Reply #569 on: February 04, 2018, 04:41:46 PM »
And what is the alleged value of g on the silly fake ISS then?
In metres per second squared, please.
Spam it up and we'll do the math on it, eh?
I guarantee the math will state that it must be travelling at billions of miles per hour by now...
Off you go!
No it won't! Not when you take into account the acceleration needed to keep the ISS in a (nearly) circular orbit.

Centripetal acceleration = V2/r and gravitational acceleration = G x Me/r2

You are undoubtedly a maths wizard,  so equate the two and solve for V or r, depending which you want to find.

So, it's simple, even a Voodoo Priest should be able to tackle it.