Flights in the Southern Hemisphere

I have heard from a few flat earthers that there is no flights that fly to/from Australia to South America or Africa.  Very quick research shows in fact there are many.  For example Qantas flight QF27 from Sydney to Santiago Chile.  My question is this.  On a flat earth how can a B747 fly nonstop between the two cities when they are on opposite sides of the earth?  Also, I have flown a few times between LAX and SYD.  I clearly flew to the southwest over Honolulu, nowhere near Alaska which I would have had to fly over on a flat earth.  On a flat earth map I would need to fly to the northwest.  Flight time between LAX to SYD is around 13 hours.  On a flat earth a flight from SYD to SCL would be easily double that however Qantas is showing the flight time at right around 12 hours.  How is that possible?  On a flat earth, one would need to fly from Sydney, over the west coast of the USA and to South America with a total flight of nearly 17,000 miles.  The B747 range is around 8500 miles so how does Qantas do this non stop and fly 17000 miles in 12 hours?  Im sure there is a simple explanation for this. 

Nobody wants to tackle this one?  Have I debunked this whole flat earth thing with one simple question?  Surely there is a simple explanation for this.

Nobody wants to tackle this one?  Have I debunked this whole flat earth thing with one simple question?  Surely there is a simple explanation for this.

Probs that nobody gives a shit about you.  I am sorry to hurt your feels. 

I'll try a few:

-Aether
-Non Euclidean Space
-Special Edition of passenger jets for the Southern Hemisphere which could do Mach 2.5 and have ridiculously extendet range
-Any FET just being utter bollocks

One out of these four could be closer to the truth than the others.

I have heard from a few flat earthers that there is no flights that fly to/from Australia to South America or Africa.  Very quick research shows in fact there are many.  For example Qantas flight QF27 from Sydney to Santiago Chile.  My question is this.  On a flat earth how can a B747 fly nonstop between the two cities when they are on opposite sides of the earth?  Also, I have flown a few times between LAX and SYD.  I clearly flew to the southwest over Honolulu, nowhere near Alaska which I would have had to fly over on a flat earth.  On a flat earth map I would need to fly to the northwest.  Flight time between LAX to SYD is around 13 hours.  On a flat earth a flight from SYD to SCL would be easily double that however Qantas is showing the flight time at right around 12 hours.  How is that possible?  On a flat earth, one would need to fly from Sydney, over the west coast of the USA and to South America with a total flight of nearly 17,000 miles.  The B747 range is around 8500 miles so how does Qantas do this non stop and fly 17000 miles in 12 hours?  Im sure there is a simple explanation for this.

You have no clue where you "clearly flew."

Quit lying.

So, nobody can explain to me how a Boeing 747 which flies daily with nearly 400 people on board can fly 17000 miles when it has a max range of around 8500 miles?  We know it wasnt a different kind of plane, that would go unnoticed by the passengers, we know the plane didnt go mach 2.5 because its a 747, we know the flight only took 12 hours because this can be easily verified on the Qantas website and various independant flight tracking website.  There should be a pretty simple explanation for this one guys.  Could it be that the the earth is actually round like every scientist on the planet says?  Just looking for an explanation, but no flat earther seems to have one.  Common guys, this is an easy one.  It cant be that easy to debunk your flat earth theory. 

So, nobody can explain to me how a Boeing 747 which flies daily with nearly 400 people on board can fly 17000 miles when it has a max range of around 8500 miles?  We know it wasnt a different kind of plane, that would go unnoticed by the passengers, we know the plane didnt go mach 2.5 because its a 747, we know the flight only took 12 hours because this can be easily verified on the Qantas website and various independant flight tracking website.  There should be a pretty simple explanation for this one guys.  Could it be that the the earth is actually round like every scientist on the planet says?  Just looking for an explanation, but no flat earther seems to have one.  Common guys, this is an easy one.  It cant be that easy to debunk your flat earth theory.

It has been pointed out that Qantas has "Satan" in its name. You must find an airline not connected with the evil when you want to convince a flat earther.

So, your there here is that because Qantas has the same letters in its name as satanq does... that it can fly 17000 miles?  Or, are you saying that Qantas is lying about flying from sydney to santiago?  Not following your logic here.  You cant deny the fact that hundreds of people board this plane everyday and make it do their destination within 12 hours.  If you dont have an answer to it, just say you dont know and admit the earth is round.  You do have to admit, I got you guys on this one.  You cant explain it because the earth is round.  Just for kicks, LAN Airlines also flies from Santiago to Auckland.  No satan in LAN is there.  Explain your way out of that one.  Earth is round baby!!! Gottya

Quote from: firejimmy on September 26, 2017, 03:51:44 PM

So, nobody can explain to me how a Boeing 747 which flies daily with nearly 400 people on board can fly 17000 miles when it has a max range of around 8500 miles?  We know it wasnt a different kind of plane, that would go unnoticed by the passengers, we know the plane didnt go mach 2.5 because its a 747, we know the flight only took 12 hours because this can be easily verified on the Qantas website and various independant flight tracking website.  There should be a pretty simple explanation for this one guys.  Could it be that the the earth is actually round like every scientist on the planet says?  Just looking for an explanation, but no flat earther seems to have one.  Common guys, this is an easy one.  It cant be that easy to debunk your flat earth theory.

It has been pointed out that Qantas has "Satan" in its name. You must find an airline not connected with the evil when you want to convince a flat earther.

Try LATAM Chile LATAM Airlines Chile

Quote from: FalseProphet on September 26, 2017, 03:56:16 PM

Quote from: firejimmy on September 26, 2017, 03:51:44 PM

So, nobody can explain to me how a Boeing 747 which flies daily with nearly 400 people on board can fly 17000 miles when it has a max range of around 8500 miles?  We know it wasnt a different kind of plane, that would go unnoticed by the passengers, we know the plane didnt go mach 2.5 because its a 747, we know the flight only took 12 hours because this can be easily verified on the Qantas website and various independant flight tracking website.  There should be a pretty simple explanation for this one guys.  Could it be that the the earth is actually round like every scientist on the planet says?  Just looking for an explanation, but no flat earther seems to have one.  Common guys, this is an easy one.  It cant be that easy to debunk your flat earth theory.

It has been pointed out that Qantas has "Satan" in its name. You must find an airline not connected with the evil when you want to convince a flat earther.

Try LATAM Chile LATAM Airlines Chile

Seeing the logo already makes me shudder. I don't even dare to click on the link.

So, lets recap here.  Two responses, neither with an explanation other than poking fun at the name of both airlines pretending the flights dont exist.  Honestly, i didnt think it would be so easy to stump you guys.  As a side note, Latam Airlines (formerly LAN) is working on flying their newly purchased Boeing 787 from Santiago to Sydney.  No, this plane does not go mach 2.5 either or have the range of 17000 miles.  Just admit it guys, party is over, fun while it lasted but the round earthers win here.  Unless you can tell me how this flight is possible in 12 hours.  I anxiously await your response. 

I have heard from a few flat earthers that there is no flights that fly to/from Australia to South America or Africa.  Very quick research shows in fact there are many.  For example Qantas flight QF27 from Sydney to Santiago Chile.  My question is this.  On a flat earth how can a B747 fly nonstop between the two cities when they are on opposite sides of the earth?  Also, I have flown a few times between LAX and SYD.  I clearly flew to the southwest over Honolulu, nowhere near Alaska which I would have had to fly over on a flat earth.  On a flat earth map I would need to fly to the northwest.  Flight time between LAX to SYD is around 13 hours.  On a flat earth a flight from SYD to SCL would be easily double that however Qantas is showing the flight time at right around 12 hours.  How is that possible?  On a flat earth, one would need to fly from Sydney, over the west coast of the USA and to South America with a total flight of nearly 17,000 miles.  The B747 range is around 8500 miles so how does Qantas do this non stop and fly 17000 miles in 12 hours?  Im sure there is a simple explanation for this.

Clearly these flights do exist. I'm just not really so sure what the problem is. You've wouldn't need to fly in the way you're describing here:

On a flat earth, one would need to fly from Sydney, over the west coast of the USA and to South America with a total flight of nearly 17,000 miles.

Why would you?

Ok, we have all seen a map of the flat earth.  What I would like to know is what is the actual distance between these two cities.  Clearly on a flat earth map it does show these two cities as being extremely far apart, as in opposite ends of the flat earth.  By the looks of it this flight would need to fly directly over the west coast of the USA to make it to Sydney.  Right now LATAM already has a flight from Santiago to Los Angeles, a distance of around 5500 miles and taking around 11 hours in a Boeing 787.  Visually one can see it is easily another 5500 miles at least to get to Sydney or Auckland which of course would have to mean a minimum 22 hour flight and a minimum distance of 11,000 miles and thats being very conservative with distance.  Even the Boeing 787 which does have a better range than the 747 cannot make it anywhere near 11,000 miles without refueling.  Surely there is an explanation other than the earth being round, i mean only an idiot would think the earth is round...RIGHT???

Ok, we have all seen a map of the flat earth.  What I would like to know is what is the actual distance between these two cities.  Clearly on a flat earth map it does show these two cities as being extremely far apart, as in opposite ends of the flat earth.  By the looks of it this flight would need to fly directly over the west coast of the USA to make it to Sydney.  Right now LATAM already has a flight from Santiago to Los Angeles, a distance of around 5500 miles and taking around 11 hours in a Boeing 787.  Visually one can see it is easily another 5500 miles at least to get to Sydney or Auckland which of course would have to mean a minimum 22 hour flight and a minimum distance of 11,000 miles and thats being very conservative with distance.  Even the Boeing 787 which does have a better range than the 747 cannot make it anywhere near 11,000 miles without refueling.  Surely there is an explanation other than the earth being round, i mean only an idiot would think the earth is round...RIGHT???

There is no official flat Earth map. The one that's usually put forth is actually a relatively accurate projection of the round Earth. It's called the equidistant azimuthal projection.

Ok, still no explanation of how this flight can happen on a flat earth.  I mean, if you asked me how the flight exisited, because I live on a round earth i could explain it in 10 seconds in a way that even a 2nd grader could understand.  But since, according to you, we live on a flat earth, it should be much easier to explain.  But nobody can do it.  In fact, there are a number of things that are easily explained with a round earth that nobody can explain with the flat earth. One would think that a simple airline flight would be among the easiest to explain.  So, again I ask, how are these two cities connected by a 12 hour flight on a flat earth? 

Ok, still no explanation of how this flight can happen on a flat earth.  I mean, if you asked me how the flight exisited, because I live on a round earth i could explain it in 10 seconds in a way that even a 2nd grader could understand.  But since, according to you, we live on a flat earth, it should be much easier to explain.  But nobody can do it.  In fact, there are a number of things that are easily explained with a round earth that nobody can explain with the flat earth. One would think that a simple airline flight would be among the easiest to explain.  So, again I ask, how are these two cities connected by a 12 hour flight on a flat earth?

I can explain it easily as well. You get on the plane, and it flies there.
What do you mean "how are these cities connected by a 12 hour flight"? It's because given the average speed of the plane, it takes about 12 hours to cover the distance between them.

I think your missing my point here.  I will say it again since most likely you didnt read my previous post or you already forgot.  A flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney AUS will require a route over the west coast of the USA, over Alaska and then on to Australia.  Here is what your not getting, so play close attention here, maybe even read it twice before you reply so you sound like you graduated HS.  A flight from Santiago Chile to LAX, which is on the west coast of the USA takes around 11 hours.  LAX is not even halfway to Sydney according to a flat earth map.  I personally have flown many times from LAX to Sydney and I can tell you from experience that its not a 1 more hour flight.  So, If a flight to Sydney from Santiago Chile needs to fly over LAX to Sydney on a flat earth, how does it do that in 12 hours.  Or, you could simply admit that I boxed you morons in a corner with no way out.  Earth is round which solves this whole debate and I can take all the glory in debunking your whole flat earth.

your missing my point here. 

so play close attention here, maybe even read it twice before you reply so you sound like you graduated HS.

Can you not read? Clearly you can't write, so I'll reiterate.
There is no official flat Earth map. The map that you're talking about is actually a projection of the globe, and if you knew how to read a map, you'd notice the distances are relatively accurate.
Either way, the distance we're talking about is not open for debate, really. I'm just failing to see the issue here.

You dont see an issue with any map of your flat earth that is so far from reality that no distance can be judged at all?  Like I said before, there are things we know, it takes 11 hours to get to LAX from Chile and it takes 13 hours to get from LAX to Sydney.  How can any reasonable person believe in a flat earth where in the year 2017 a realistic map doesnt even exist.  I mean, even if you dont believe in GPS, there are other means of making an accurate map and your maps are thousands of miles off, not hundreds but thousands.  In an era where we have GPS which with the use of satellites can pinpoint your exact location on the globe.  But no, you imbeciles chose to live thousands of years in the past where people actually did believe the earth was flat.  None of you have ever given an ounce of proof showing a flat earth.  Each one of you chooses to go to the flat earth school of Shaquille O'neal, "it be look flat to me".  But i do thank you for your response, because within your response you did confirm what all us normals already knew.  Low IQ, live in either a trailer park or your moms basement, go to star trek conventions and try to sound smart pretending the earth is flat even though each one of you know its round, i mean you cant even explain how a flight works, not to mention seasons, lunar and solar phases, sunrise and sunsets, ships disappearing over the horizon keel first, the obvious curvature of the earth with high altitude flights, photos of the earth from space and the moon, photos of every other planet that is also a sphere.  The proof is slapping each of you in the face.  It does prove one thing however, regardless of how crazy your belief might be, you will look for evidence to support that belief, even if it is a flat earth belief. 

You dont see an issue with any map of your flat earth that is so far from reality that no distance can be judged at all?  Like I said before, there are things we know, it takes 11 hours to get to LAX from Chile and it takes 13 hours to get from LAX to Sydney.  How can any reasonable person believe in a flat earth where in the year 2017 a realistic map doesnt even exist.  I mean, even if you dont believe in GPS, there are other means of making an accurate map and your maps are thousands of miles off, not hundreds but thousands.  In an era where we have GPS which with the use of satellites can pinpoint your exact location on the globe.  But no, you imbeciles chose to live thousands of years in the past where people actually did believe the earth was flat.  None of you have ever given an ounce of proof showing a flat earth.  Each one of you chooses to go to the flat earth school of Shaquille O'neal, "it be look flat to me".  But i do thank you for your response, because within your response you did confirm what all us normals already knew.  Low IQ, live in either a trailer park or your moms basement, go to star trek conventions and try to sound smart pretending the earth is flat even though each one of you know its round, i mean you cant even explain how a flight works, not to mention seasons, lunar and solar phases, sunrise and sunsets, ships disappearing over the horizon keel first, the obvious curvature of the earth with high altitude flights, photos of the earth from space and the moon, photos of every other planet that is also a sphere.  The proof is slapping each of you in the face.  It does prove one thing however, regardless of how crazy your belief might be, you will look for evidence to support that belief, even if it is a flat earth belief.

I'm going to do on record here and say that I think that's pretty racist. Shaquille O'Neal is a doctor.

How many times can I say that there is no official map? None of us, to my knowledge, are cartographers. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that, judging by the quality of your posts, I'm probably a bit higher educated than you. I don't live in my mom's basement, I make quite a comfortable living doing what I do. What I do, by the way, is heavily based in science. Not Earth science, but still.

I agree that planets are spherical. The Earth is not what I'd call a planet. If I were to call it a planet, I would call it a special planet. It's the only known center of universal observation. Why shouldn't it be different?

So prove it.  Since you have already admitted that you flat earthers dont know how to make maps, tell me how we get seasons, tell me why lunar phases and eclipse phases show a round shadow, tell me why when a ship disappears keel first when sailing off in the distance, tell me why you can see the curvature of the earth at high altitudes, why have passengers on the concord witnessed two sunsets, why cant you see the southern cross in the northern hemisphere or the north star in the southern hemisphere, how can it be winter in australia when its summer in the USA?  None of these and many many more can any of you morons explain. 

So prove it.  Since you have already admitted that you flat earthers dont know how to make maps, tell me how we get seasons, tell me why lunar phases and eclipse phases show a round shadow, tell me why when a ship disappears keel first when sailing off in the distance, tell me why you can see the curvature of the earth at high altitudes, why have passengers on the concord witnessed two sunsets, why cant you see the southern cross in the northern hemisphere or the north star in the southern hemisphere, how can it be winter in australia when its summer in the USA?  None of these and many many more can any of you morons explain.

This is getting a bit off topic, isn't it?
I'm sorry, but FET is relatively young. There aren't perfect and unanimously agreed upon explanations for everything.
If you're so sure, why are you even here?

So, i think what your trying to say is, you can explain any of them, not even one, none, zero, ziltch, even though each and every single one of these is simply explained with a round earth.  Why do i come here you ask?  Well, mainly because until recently i didnt actually believe that anyone actually thought the earth was flat.  I really didnt think there anyone that was smart enough to turn on a cook a piece of toast yet dumb enough to believe the earth is flat.  Kinda like going to zoo to watch animals you would never be able to see in their natural habitat.  Oh, and just one more thing, i would also like an explanation of why both the north and south poles are frozen yet the equator is hot.  Again makes sense on a round earth...not so much on a flat earth.  If you would be so kind.  Thanks much

So, i think what your trying to say is, you can explain any of them, not even one, none, zero, ziltch, even though each and every single one of these is simply explained with a round earth.  Why do i come here you ask?  Well, mainly because until recently i didnt actually believe that anyone actually thought the earth was flat.  I really didnt think there anyone that was smart enough to turn on a cook a piece of toast yet dumb enough to believe the earth is flat.  Kinda like going to zoo to watch animals you would never be able to see in their natural habitat.  Oh, and just one more thing, i would also like an explanation of why both the north and south poles are frozen yet the equator is hot.  Again makes sense on a round earth...not so much on a flat earth.  If you would be so kind.  Thanks much

Why would you cook toast?

I'm saying there are multiple explanations for most of these things if you'd look around a bit. You're clearly a bit new here.

Nobody wants to tackle this one?  Have I debunked this whole flat earth thing with one simple question?  Surely there is a simple explanation for this.

Simple.....
The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.

So you, just like all other flat earthers arent willing to even try to explain one of them.  I know why though, we all know why, even you know why you cant.  The earth is round.  Pick one of them and explain it, just one

So you, just like all other flat earthers arent willing to even try to explain one of them.  I know why though, we all know why, even you know why you cant.  The earth is round.  Pick one of them and explain it, just one

Oh, and just one more thing, i would also like an explanation of why both the north and south poles are frozen yet the equator is hot.  Again makes sense on a round earth...not so much on a flat earth.  If you would be so kind.  Thanks much

Probably because the path the Sun follows is relatively centered on the equator, depending on the time of year.

So prove it.  Since you have already admitted that you flat earthers dont know how to make maps, tell me how we get seasons, tell me why lunar phases and eclipse phases show a round shadow, tell me why when a ship disappears keel first when sailing off in the distance, tell me why you can see the curvature of the earth at high altitudes, why have passengers on the concord witnessed two sunsets, why cant you see the southern cross in the northern hemisphere or the north star in the southern hemisphere, how can it be winter in australia when its summer in the USA?  None of these and many many more can any of you morons explain. 

I have to ask, have you ever made a map?
As for seasons and winter/summer in different hemiplanes, the ellipse the Sun follows expands, contracts, and wobbles as the year goes on.
Ships appear to disappear from the bottom up due to a combination of Rowbotham's perspective effect and refraction (or bendy light).

Have you ever seen the curvature of the Earth from high altitudes?
I certainly haven't.

I must admit that I kind of tricked you into a little trap.  I have yet to see any flat earther admit that ships disappear over the horizon keel first.  Every time they will tell you that they disappear equally until they vanish because they know if the ship disappears keel first its admitting the earth is round.  So, I thank you for that.  My work is done  here.  Welcome back to the round earth society.  Your Welcome

I must admit that I kind of tricked you into a little trap.  I have yet to see any flat earther admit that ships disappear over the horizon keel first.  Every time they will tell you that they disappear equally until they vanish because they know if the ship disappears keel first its admitting the earth is round.  So, I thank you for that.  My work is done  here.  Welcome back to the round earth society.  Your Welcome

You didn't. You asked a question and I answered it.
I see you didn't have anything prepared for if I actually answered them.
I didn't admit the Earth was round, if you'd actually read what I said.
It's okay though, you've well proven yourself to be incapable of real discussion or debate.

First of all, you did admit the earth is round when you agreed that ships disappear over the horizon keel first.  No true flat earther will ever admit that, in fact there are many many videos on youtube proving that they dont disappear keel first, but as you and I agree the earth is round and of course will disappear keel first.  Second, for it to be a debate, you would have to provide proof or evidence to support your cause which you have provided none.  Even your own flat earth friend provided a type of map of the flat earth, Azimuthal Equidistant Projection map.  This map of course would once again show Santiago and Sydney thousands of miles farther apart and any commercial airliner could ever fly.  Now, while i have provided plenty of overwhelming evidence to show the earth is round, you have shown zero.  But, again we both know why dont we.  You even admitted it, earth is round.