Gravity does not always make spheres

Take a 'Post It' note. Flat.

Now you might say that the Earth is really big and heavy and the post it note is small and light..... Irrelevant! And you would be wrong!

The entire (observable) universe is estimated to be more than 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 tonnes
The Earth? 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes

Earth is less than a 'Post It' note by comparison.

To squash something into a spherical shape at nearly 6 sextillion tonnes would require a much faster spin than what we are told. Of this I am sure

Here is a little experiment you can try

Take a coin. Now spin it. I bet you can spin it so fast it's hard to even see it. At the end though it is still flat

Now imagine something the size of the Earth. And we are expected to believe that 1 revolution every 24 hours is enough to crush it into a sphere? Rightio then....

I don't think spinning makes things rounder. When I make pizza, I toss the dough in the air and spin it so it will get bigger and flatter.

Gravity rarely, if ever, makes spheres in RE.

Aren't we told that's why the shape of the planets moons, stars etc are the way they are? Gravity is pulling everything down to a central point

The earth weighs approximately 5.972 × 10^21 t or to round off 6 sextillion tons. You idiots have no scientific answers for anything. Just wild guesses and lazy repostings. You are pathetic. First what scares you about an oblate spheroid? Why continue with something that has no base in scientific fact. Also you must all be astrologers because it's the same BS. No scientific grounds. You should ask yourselves what is wrong with a spherical earth and why do I deny it so feverishly. Haven't you got more important things in your life to do than perpetuate something that is so obviously false.

The earth weighs approximately 5.972 × 10^21 t or to round off 6 sextillion tons.

You idiots have no scientific answers for anything. Just wild guesses and lazy repostings.

>tfw irony

The earth weighs approximately 5.972 × 10^21 t or to round off 6 sextillion tons. You idiots have no scientific answers for anything. Just wild guesses and lazy repostings. You are pathetic. First what scares you about an oblate spheroid? Why continue with something that has no base in scientific fact. Also you must all be astrologers because it's the same BS. No scientific grounds. You should ask yourselves what is wrong with a spherical earth and why do I deny it so feverishly. Haven't you got more important things in your life to do than perpetuate something that is so obviously false.

No shit Sherlock. That's pretty much just what I said

The Earth? 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes

The whole globe model with the sun as we see it depends on this sphere spinning. I call BS on the spinning

We are told that

Earth, when it was first formed billions of years ago had a 6 hour rotational period. Okay, lets buy into that for a moment.

Then we are told about the planet Haumea....


We are told it is this shape because it is spinning so fast (every 3-4 hours)

It is also a tiny planet so a 3-4 hour rotational period is not as big of a deal right. Imagine something the weight of the Earth rotating every 6 hours! What shape was it then

Actually, just take a look at Jupiter. 318 times the mass, rotates a full revolution more than twice as quick (10 hours) of the Earth but a beautiful sphere
There is just no consistency. If their reasoning for the shape of Haumea is to be believed, Jupiter should look more like an accretion disk than a sphere.

Therefore the only logical conclusion to draw is that the Earth is flat and not spinning.

The End

Here is a little experiment you can try

Take a coin. Now spin it. I bet you can spin it so fast it's hard to even see it. At the end though it is still flat

Now imagine something the size of the Earth. And we are expected to believe that 1 revolution every 24 hours is enough to crush it into a sphere? Rightio then....

No, "that 1 revolution every 24 hours" has nothing to do with the earth's being nearly spherical

It is gravitation that makes planetary objects nearly spherical,not rotation.
And gravitation is caused by mass (and energy if you want Einstein's GR) not rotation.

Quarks and Coffee, Why are some moons spherical while others are shaped like potatoes?.

This "Potato Radius" can be calculated and observed asteroids fit fairly well, considering that it depends on the strength of the rock they are composed of.

What is interesting here is that
         Venus has a radius very similar to that of earth (Venus equatorial radius 6052 km cf Earth 6378 km).
         Venus rotates very much more slowly than Earth (Venus one revolution in 243.01 days cf Earth about 1 day).
This leads to Venus being almost perfectically spherical with an Ellipticity (Flattening) of 0.000 cf Earth of 0.0033.

The rotation of a plant "tries" to flatten it to a disk, a pizza planet and gravitation "tries" to keep it to make it spherical.

More complete miscomprehension of basic concepts.

Interesting, an egg planet, Haumea.

I don't know what you are rambling on about though, with RE, 'roundness' is from Gravitation, while the spinning would make it more oblate.

Simple concept really.

I think the thing that makes my shit itch the most about FE is having people that can't visualize and comprehend basic concepts talk as if their lack of understanding is actually insight into why the rest of us are wrong.

That's what keeps me arguing against this shit-storm of nonsense.

Trying to convince FE'ers away from this shit is like trying to get pandas to fuck... We should stop wasting our time.

Interesting, an egg planet, Haumea.

I don't know what you are rambling on about though, with RE, 'roundness' is from Gravitation, while the spinning would make it more oblate.

Simple concept really.

So when Earths rotational period was 6 hours long back in the day was it squished like Haumea? Earth has never been depicted this way.

So when Earths rotational period was 6 hours long back in the day was it squished like Haumea? Earth has never been depicted this way.

Can you track down some written/drawn evidence from the days when the Earths rotational period was 6 hours long?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant-impact_hypothesis

Sorry, I meant 5 hours long 

The Earth would have gained significant amounts of angular momentum and mass from such a collision. Regardless of the speed and tilt of the Earth's rotation before the impact, it would have experienced a day some five hours long after the impact, and the Earth's equator and the Moon's orbit would have become coplanar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant-impact_hypothesis

Sorry, I meant 5 hours long 

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The Earth would have gained significant amounts of angular momentum and mass from such a collision. Regardless of the speed and tilt of the Earth's rotation before the impact, it would have experienced a day some five hours long after the impact, and the Earth's equator and the Moon's orbit would have become coplanar.

You are bringing in an assumption that is part of an unproven hypothesis and implying that the existence of this assumption is some kind of evidence that long standing theories are false?

This makes my head spin.

Maybe it will turn spherical 🙄

Gravity rarely, if ever, makes spheres in RE.

Could I reword that? Gravity tends to pull large planetary bodies into spheres, but if they rotate or are subject to tidal forces they will be closer to ellipsoidal.

Planet		Diameter		Rotational Period		Ellipticity
Mercury		4,878 km		58.7 days		0.0000
Venus		12,104 km		243 days		0.0000
Earth		12,756 km		1.00 day		0.0034
Jupiter		142,800 km		0.41 days		0.0649
Saturn		120,000 km		0.44 days		0.0978

For large planetary bodies gravitation certainly seems to pull them into a shape very close to spherical.
When they rotate, however, the equatorial diameter is enlarged by the rotational forces.

So, I don't know how you justify your "Gravity rarely, if ever, makes spheres in RE", unless you are being your unual pedantic self and mean,

Take a 'Post It' note. Flat.
Now you might say that the Earth is really big and heavy and the post it note is small and light..... Irrelevant! And you would be wrong!

No. I will say take the post it note so the only force on it is its own gravitational attraction. Then see what shape it becomes.
In order to do this you need to break it apart into little pieces and take it outside the Roche limit for any nearby object.

Viewing it on Earth, it sure looks like it made a round object. The issue is you are viewing the post-it note as its own object. You need to consider it as part of the whole. It is merely part of Earth. Zoom out enough (i.e. go to space) and you will see it is just a small part of a much larger, round object.

Actually, just take a look at Jupiter. 318 times the mass, rotates a full revolution more than twice as quick (10 hours) of the Earth but a beautiful sphere
There is just no consistency. If their reasoning for the shape of Haumea is to be believed, Jupiter should look more like an accretion disk than a sphere.

Well, Jupiter is somewhat oblate - see Rab's post. What makes you think it should be more so?

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We are told it is this shape because it is spinning so fast (every 3-4 hours)

It is also a tiny planet so a 3-4 hour rotational period is not as big of a deal right. Imagine something the weight of the Earth rotating every 6 hours! What shape was it then

Actually, just take a look at Jupiter. 318 times the mass, rotates a full revolution more than twice as quick (10 hours) of the Earth but a beautiful sphere
There is just no consistency. If their reasoning for the shape of Haumea is to be believed, Jupiter should look more like an accretion disk than a sphere.

Therefore the only logical conclusion to draw is that the Earth is flat and not spinning.

The End

can i please see you math that brings you to your conclusion for this claim.
you sound that certain you must have done the calculations for that.

Then we are told about the planet Haumea....
We are told it is this shape because it is spinning so fast (every 3-4 hours)

Actually, that's NOT what "we are told" at all.  Haumea's elongated shape together with its rapid rotation, high density, and high albedo (from a surface of crystalline water ice), are thought to be the consequences of a giant collision. 

Actually, just take a look at Jupiter. 318 times the mass, rotates a full revolution more than twice as quick (10 hours) of the Earth but a beautiful sphere

Actually, it's not a perfect sphere either.  It is more elliptical than earth, which makes sense since it spins twice as fast.

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The whole globe model with the sun as we see it depends on this sphere spinning. I call BS on the spinning

The earth's rotation of one revolution in a bit under a day explains our day and night and the fact that the earth is not quite spherical.
Venus, on the other hand, rotates very slowly (once in about 225 days) and is almost perfectly spherical.

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Then we are told about the planet Haumea.... << It's not a planet, it's a dwarf planet >>

We are told it is this shape because it is spinning so fast (every 3-4 hours)

It is also a tiny planet so a 3-4 hour rotational period is not as big of a deal right. Imagine something the weight of the Earth rotating every 6 hours! What shape was it then?

The earth would be somewhat more elliptical than it is now, but remember the earth's ellipticity now is only about ¹/₃ of one percent, so no big deal.
 
Haumea's "potato shape" is due to its small size and fast rotation - other dwarf planets that are not much bigger but rotate slower are much more spherical.

Actually, just take a look at Jupiter. 318 times the mass, rotates a full revolution more than twice as quick (10 hours) of the Earth but a beautiful sphere

Not so! It's all quite consistent if you bother to check it out and not try to guess everything! Just look at these planets:

Planet		Diameter		Rotational Period		Ellipticity
Mercury		4,878 km		58.7 days		0.0000
Venus		12,104 km		243 days		0.0000
Earth		12,756 km		1.00 day		0.0034
Jupiter		142,800 km		0.41 days		0.0649
Saturn		120,000 km		0.44 days		0.0978

Jupiter and Saturn rotate very fast and are much more elliptical than earth. Venus and Mercury rotate very slowly and are almost perfect spheres.

There is just no consistency. If their reasoning for the shape of Haumea is to be believed, Jupiter should look more like an accretion disk than a sphere.
Therefore the only logical conclusion to draw is that the Earth is flat and not spinning.
The End

So you are completely wrong with your "no consistency".
It is all really quite consistent, though the material make-up of the planetary body, rock for Haumea and largely gas for Jupiter, will have some effect.

Your reasoning about Haumea and Jupiter is completely flawed.
Jupiter's great mass means that Jupiter has a surface gravity of 24.79 m/s², while Haumea's is only 0.44 m/s² and
that is what keeps Jupiter (Ellipticity 0.0649) much more spherical than Haumea, though less spherical than Earth (Ellipticity 0.0034) or Venus (Ellipticity 0.00).

So you need to take care not to jump to the wrong conclusion before you find out all the issues involved.

Here is a very simple experiment to see if those saying spin makes things round, take a ball of goo that just about holds a round shape, attach it to a drill and turn the drill on you will very soon see the spin makes it stretch outwards and ruins its roundness. Gravity is what makes things round as others said here as things pull towards a central point once an object has sufficient gravitational force it will make a round shape and again as people here tried to explain the spin (drill effect) try to distort the shape, the faster the spin the more oblate the shape

Gravity makes things round if they are big enough. Spin makes things flat when it is fast enough. That's not difficult to figure out.

I do not know how fast earth had to spin to become lentiform, but I guess it would be above "insanely fast".

Gravity makes things round if they are big enough. Spin makes things flat when it is fast enough. That's not difficult to figure out.

I do not know how fast earth had to spin to become lentiform, but I guess it would be above "insanely fast".

No, all that fast, remember that centripetal acceleration goes up as angular velocity squared.

Here's a bit of (non-)elementary Astronomy 6570, Physics of the Planets, Planetary Rotation, Figures, and Gravity Fields.
It is not an exact calculation but it calculates an approximation for when the planet disintegrates:[

You can chase of the reference for what the symbols mean, but please don't spin the earth up to over 0.011 rpm, from its present 0.0007 rpm!