About density and buoyancy that I don't see people bring up.

For a start water kills off gravity.
Water is a proof of denpressure not a hindrance.

All water is, is a more dense accumulation of what atmosphere is.
It's just another step in the sandwich.

If atmosphere was more dense we would be squeezed UP just like we are when we hold our breath under water. The water squeezes us back up until we release the air and become more dense and then we are squeezed down.

Same thing as air and why helium balloons and such are squeezed up until they released their gas which them allows the skin of the balloon to be squeezed down.


Notice how there's never a PULL of fictional gravity anywhere?

Quote from: Mainframes on November 21, 2017, 05:45:39 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 01:08:01 AM

No I don't.
Why don't you actually take the time to grasp it all and stop getting yourself all confused with this dome pushing things down when I keep telling you time and time and time and time and time again that everything is pushing UP and each molecule that pushing up is pushing up into the next and the next and the next whilst ALL of those that push up are also pushing against the resistance of those that are pushing up....all the way up that stack, throughout the dome.
The dome itself does NOT push down.

Can you grasp this or not?

So now everything is pushing up. So why doesn’t stuff go up then?

Because by pushing up and into the atmosphere the objects use the ground as leverage to stop the squeeze back down.

It's been explained many times, were you asleep?

Quote from: Badxtoss on November 21, 2017, 08:36:42 AM

Because on the face of it you seem to be contradicting yourself.  Ok I can get that when you push off something you are also pushing it the opposite direction.
But with this constant force upward why isn't pressure equalizing above us?  Why does it lessen at higher altitudes?

I'm not contradicting myself, it's you not understanding.
If you think I've contradicted myself then bring up where I have and don't just say it.

What constant force upwards?
Tell me what you are talking about.

Crabby, you've spent about 2 minutes on it since it started so how in the hell would you know anything about it.

You don't have to stop. I'm just trying to save your sanity, because you will implode trying to destroy my theory by using the bogus gravity theory.

Because by pushing up and into the atmosphere the objects use the ground as leverage to stop the squeeze back down.

It's been explained many times, were you asleep?

Action and equal and opposite reaction.

If something pushes into something else then that something else must resist that push by using some kind of leverage to do so.
You are only pushed back on what you push against.

I have a question for you.
Why after all of this time have you reverted right back to not even knowing the very basics.
Are you playing a game?

If you think I've contradicted myself then bring up where I have and don't just say it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 09:31:35 AM

Crabby, you've spent about 2 minutes on it since it started so how in the hell would you know anything about it.

Are you kidding me?  I was there when you invented this shit.  I've debated it to death before, and haven't the will to go over the same crap again.  All you do is go round in circles until everyone gets bored and goes home.  Or you throw a tantrum and leave.

There's still some entertainment value in watching JackBlack wipe the floor with you, I'll give you that.


The thing is, deep down, you know denpressure is a big broken mess.  You just can't even admit it to yourself, as that would be perceived as losing.

but a hollow ball is pushed up in water, down in air... but a solid ball sinks in water and also sinks in the air... A balloon filled with helium floats, a balloon filled with air does not

a balloon filled with water also sinks in both mediums... Also... Density is a lie (just remember that people you are talking to someone who said Quote from: sceptimatic
Impossible to have the same volume and different density.)

Quote from: RocketSauce on November 21, 2017, 12:59:25 PM

but a hollow ball is pushed up in water, down in air... but a solid ball sinks in water and also sinks in the air... A balloon filled with helium floats, a balloon filled with air does not

a balloon filled with water also sinks in both mediums... Also... Density is a lie (just remember that people you are talking to someone who said Quote from: sceptimatic
Impossible to have the same volume and different density.)

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 11:54:27 PM

Quote from: RocketSauce on November 21, 2017, 12:59:25 PM

but a hollow ball is pushed up in water, down in air... but a solid ball sinks in water and also sinks in the air... A balloon filled with helium floats, a balloon filled with air does not

a balloon filled with water also sinks in both mediums... Also... Density is a lie (just remember that people you are talking to someone who said Quote from: sceptimatic
Impossible to have the same volume and different density.)

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

You cant mean this, surely?

If volume defined density as your comment implies then why would we need both volume and density?

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

It's the volume and the density difference that makes denpressure work and makes the reality what it is and why gravity isn't a thing at all.

Okay so you try to disprove gravity with strictly density & buoyancy. But if I'm more dense than air, making me fall below it, what keeps the air down?

Please explain to me what's lighter than the air that constantly makes it fall down, and if there is such a thing, what keeps that other source down? Thanks..

As for Jackblack, he's trying to wipe the floor with a dirty cloth and it ends up worse

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

It's the volume and the density difference that makes denpressure work and makes the reality what it is and why gravity isn't a thing at all.

If you think this is wrong then give me an example and I'll show you why it's correct.

Quote from: Edge_Loop on November 22, 2017, 12:33:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 11:54:27 PM

Quote from: RocketSauce on November 21, 2017, 12:59:25 PM

but a hollow ball is pushed up in water, down in air... but a solid ball sinks in water and also sinks in the air... A balloon filled with helium floats, a balloon filled with air does not

a balloon filled with water also sinks in both mediums... Also... Density is a lie (just remember that people you are talking to someone who said Quote from: sceptimatic
Impossible to have the same volume and different density.)

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

You cant mean this, surely?

If volume defined density as your comment implies then why would we need both volume and density?

It's the volume and the density difference that makes denpressure work and makes the reality what it is and why gravity isn't a thing at all.

If you think this is wrong then give me an example and I'll show you why it's correct.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 11:54:27 PM

It is impossible to have the same volume and different density.
Understand it before you jump in.

Density is mass per unit volume, anyone who understands it will tell you that. Is it different in your hypothesis?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 12:46:57 AM

It's the volume and the density difference that makes denpressure work and makes the reality what it is and why gravity isn't a thing at all.

Density= mass/volume
They are hardly comparable, they are different units, so what do you mean by "volume and density difference"?

You're talking nonsense. Stop being silly.

What a waste of time and energy you are, I have no idea why people bother, it's like talking to a 4 year old.

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

As for Jackblack, he's trying to wipe the floor with a dirty cloth and it ends up worse than it was when he tried to clean it but now he also has dirty hands.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 11:48:04 PM

As for Jackblack, he's trying to wipe the floor with a dirty cloth and it ends up worse than it was when he tried to clean it but now he also has dirty hands.

That metaphor is about as broken as denpressure...well done?


As for this volume nonsense: no you can't just redefine the word.  It looks like you're just taking the piss.

Quote from: Edge_Loop on November 22, 2017, 02:39:56 AM

You're talking nonsense. Stop being silly.

What a waste of time and energy you are, I have no idea why people bother, it's like talking to a 4 year old.

Is this all you have?
Don't waste your energy unless you can explain what I'm saying is wrong.
I know what I'm saying is correct.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:37:09 AM

Quote from: Edge_Loop on November 22, 2017, 02:39:56 AM

You're talking nonsense. Stop being silly.

What a waste of time and energy you are, I have no idea why people bother, it's like talking to a 4 year old.

Is this all you have?
Don't waste your energy unless you can explain what I'm saying is wrong.
I know what I'm saying is correct.

No, it's not any of 'what I have', let alone all of it.

I'm not debating with you, so I'm unsure why you replied as if I am.

Quote from: AltSpace on November 22, 2017, 03:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Name me two objects with the same volume but different mass in my denpressure theory.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: AltSpace on November 22, 2017, 03:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Name me two objects with the same volume but different mass in my denpressure theory.

Would a litre of water and a litre of mercury have the same mass in denpressure theory?

Quote from: Copper Knickers on November 22, 2017, 06:09:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: AltSpace on November 22, 2017, 03:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Name me two objects with the same volume but different mass in my denpressure theory.

Would a litre of water and a litre of mercury have the same mass in denpressure theory?

What is mass?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 06:38:30 AM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on November 22, 2017, 06:09:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: AltSpace on November 22, 2017, 03:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Name me two objects with the same volume but different mass in my denpressure theory.

Would a litre of water and a litre of mercury have the same mass in denpressure theory?

What is mass?

I assumed you knew since you used the term in the post above. It's whatever you meant by it there.

Quote from: Copper Knickers on November 22, 2017, 06:48:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 06:38:30 AM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on November 22, 2017, 06:09:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: AltSpace on November 22, 2017, 03:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 22, 2017, 03:35:16 AM

I'm saying that the density and the volume is why denpressure works and also why you cannot have the same volume and a different density for two objects.

But they do, for a certain amount of space, the weight of an object will can vary, even by taking the same amount of space, this is why there is such a concept as 'density'.

Anyways, I am pretty sure it was the more dense objects being less porous, displacing less and so pushing back less in Denspressure, so mass per unit volume decides the how porous it is.

Name me two objects with the same volume but different mass in my denpressure theory.

Would a litre of water and a litre of mercury have the same mass in denpressure theory?

What is mass?

I assumed you knew since you used the term in the post above. It's whatever you meant by it there.

To me mass is a visual external view of an object.

Just like a litre of milk and a litre of water in the same bottle will... by eye, have the same mass.
The water and mercury will appear the same.


The density of that mass is a different matter and also what internally makes up that mass.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 22, 2017, 04:09:35 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 21, 2017, 11:48:04 PM

As for Jackblack, he's trying to wipe the floor with a dirty cloth and it ends up worse than it was when he tried to clean it but now he also has dirty hands.

That metaphor is about as broken as denpressure...well done?


As for this volume nonsense: no you can't just redefine the word.  It looks like you're just taking the piss.

Like I mentioned earlier, crabby.