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Mind Control
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 11:46:37 AM »
Well, a lot of the population could be free. A certain group of people could be turned into slaves, and then their chilkdren could be enslaved. That would mean we could also selectively breed slaves to be physically stronger.
The rest of society could function perfectly well, albeitly morally bankrupt. There could be democracy but slaves couldnt vote.

Also, do mind controlled people need to be zombie-like? I'm thinking more along the lines of the mule from the foundation series by Isaac Asimov
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2007, 06:17:57 PM »
shitt, just gimme an eighth and im set, i dont even need mind control to tell the truth lol

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 09:34:09 PM »

Seriously, this is a year old.  Why the fuck did you bring it up?

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2008, 02:23:55 AM »
I suggest you to go write and publish a book about all your believes in conspiracy theories. Seriously, you will make a fortune for that.

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2008, 02:31:35 AM »

Seriously, this is a year old.  Why the fuck did you bring it up?

you are a legend, Trekky
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2008, 12:38:11 PM »
I wonder if anybody actually read all that.  :o
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2008, 02:45:57 PM »
No the dictatorships rigged the elections. A democracy with rigged elections is not a democracy.

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2008, 07:39:00 PM »
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No the dictatorships rigged the elections. A democracy with rigged elections is not a democracy.
Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.
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The following classic 1944 book by hindu traditionalist Ananda Coomaraswamy which advocated a return to widespread illiteracy concludes with an excellent chapter which is seemingly the definitive denunciation of democracy:
http://www.fonsvitae.com/bugbearliteracy.html

As to mind controlled slaves, the second most informative I have run across is Project Monarch (a spinoff from Sid Gottlieb's CIA Project MK Ultra) survivor Cathy O'Brien.  Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America' which is by far the most damning book I have ever read about Reagan, Clinton, or Bush.  I would say that all the Clinton scandals of the 1990's were deliberately leaked and escalated by the controllers of the media simply in order to obscure this 1995 book exposing mind control:
http://www.trance-formation.com/
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml
Then it isn't a democracy.

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2008, 05:36:06 AM »
Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.

lol, wtf no they're not.

...Cathy O'Brien.  Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America'...

dude, seriously, WTF? :o  are you serious???  you shouldn't believe a single thing you read in a book with the title 'TRANCE-formation of America'.  IT'S NOT A CLEVER PUN!  that's like a headline you'd expect to see in a crappy newspaper that has tits on page 3.  you have to pay attention to the little details in things, especially when you're getting facts from these things. :P
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2008, 06:10:16 PM »
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Then it isn't a democracy.

We can agree to disagree and it could be primarily semantics, but I believe that the very idea that the majority can rule is self-deceptive to those who embrace it.  Democracy is the most disguised, the most inverse of what it purports to be, and has aalways been the most degenerate form of goernment.  Monarchies can be bad - there are bad kings and good kings (mostly bad throughout history), but there is no such thing as a good democracy.
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.

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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2008, 06:54:16 PM »
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2008, 06:56:03 PM »
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.
Mids impregnated himself? :o
Nope. I'm the product of poorly scheduled rhythm method.


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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2008, 02:53:42 AM »
Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.

lol, wtf no they're not.

...Cathy O'Brien.  Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America'...

dude, seriously, WTF? :o  are you serious???  you shouldn't believe a single thing you read in a book with the title 'TRANCE-formation of America'.  IT'S NOT A CLEVER PUN!  that's like a headline you'd expect to see in a crappy newspaper that has tits on page 3.  you have to pay attention to the little details in things, especially when you're getting facts from these things. :P
Those newspapers are the only ones with the balls to speak the truth!  >:(
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2008, 05:29:50 AM »
Then it isn't a democracy.

Which is why many people view the US as fascist. Which also proves my ideology essay.
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2008, 05:51:59 AM »
Then it isn't a democracy.

Which is why many people view the US as fascist. Which also proves my ideology essay.
Yes we are totally fascist ::)

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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2008, 06:01:14 AM »
Um, the US falls in line with many setups and stances that fascism has. Hence, if you are under the belief that elections are rigged, or that politicians are puppets, the US can be considered fascist. If I still had my essay, I'd use the arguments I had in it, complete with sources. Sadly, I have no idea why it's not still on my hard drive.
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2008, 01:37:36 PM »
I'd agree there, there are a lot of similarities between the US (and to some extent Britain as well) and the onset of facism in Italy and Germany.

I think we need to get clear the definitions between what i'd call mind control and what i'd call propaganda and or the consumerising effects of capitalsm.

To me, its the difference between intmidating someone and physically tying them down. In the former you are changing them superficially and causing them to change their actions through a change in priorities. In the latter they become unable to resist.

I'd also like to point out that I don't mean this as a conspiracy theory, i think its likely that we are as free as we were before the idea of mind control was developed. But considering the various dimentions of the issue is still important.

It does seem that ground is being made on the issue of extreme persuasion, judging by the NLP community as well as works such as the February Man Sequence by Milton Erickson, and its development the October Man Sequence.

I still maintain that keeping mind controlled slaves would be economical, many of the economic costs would be severly cut. Productivity would certainly increase compared to the unmotivated slaves of past times, to such an extent that it would match or even beat free workers considering that the slaves would be committed to their task beyond what "being paid to do it" would provide. Slaves could also be kept on a simple and nutritious diet, which would greatly lower the chances of illness due to malnourishment. Without the concern for the well-being of workers who fall ill, it would be easier to keep workerds in poor conditions, as ill workers could simply be removed.
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2008, 03:46:47 PM »
Um, the US falls in line with many setups and stances that fascism has. Hence, if you are under the belief that elections are rigged, or that politicians are puppets, the US can be considered fascist. If I still had my essay, I'd use the arguments I had in it, complete with sources. Sadly, I have no idea why it's not still on my hard drive.
Falling in line with many of the setups does not make it fascist.

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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2008, 03:59:20 PM »
Well, it depends on which specific one you're after, Italian or Nazism; at least for working models.

Plus, how many things would it take before you'd say the US is fascist? Nationalism (Patriotism), economy similarities, draws from Catholicism, the debated state of democracy?
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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2008, 04:02:15 PM »
We lack totalitarianism and are not that intolerant of others.

So I'd say we lack some of the big characteristics. Also we are shifting more liberal if you look at recent elections.

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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2008, 09:53:21 AM »
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2008, 07:14:13 PM »
We lack totalitarianism and are not that intolerant of others.

I think we are equally intolerant, but the first amendment prevents anything from getting too out of hand.  Except, of course, slavery.  And our completely brutal destruction of the American Indian.  And how about Mexican immigrants?  And what is the opinion most Christians hold about Muslims?  I would call those examples of intolerance. 

I do believe there is some element of 'mind control' in capitalism and democracy, but that's the only way it keeps its self going.  Same with Fascism and Communism and Socialism: they will attempt to self-perpetuate even if it means deluding their constituents. 

But, hey, I'm making all this up.

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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2008, 03:51:47 AM »
Then it isn't a democracy.

Which is why many people view the US as fascist. Which also proves my ideology essay.

It is. Every single thing Bush and his crowd have done since he took office mirrors the German campaign that lead to Hitler becoming the dude in charge. History repeats itself.

Example:


the U.S. - It's a planfile, not a movie.
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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2008, 04:11:52 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2008, 08:45:02 AM »
It is. Every single thing Bush and his crowd have done since he took office mirrors the German campaign that lead to Hitler becoming the dude in charge. History repeats itself.

Example:


the U.S. - It's a planfile, not a movie.


Holy crap that is a good video.  It scares the hell out of me because I see the exact same thing.  We've become too complacent inside our dreamworld of American happiness, which we will sacrifice anything to get -- even life and liberty. 

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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2008, 12:54:41 AM »
same thing is happening in the UK.
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2008, 03:40:18 AM »
Well, I'm thinking the same thing is happening in a lot of places.  Even if Germany went through all these "ten steps" before Hitler took over, I doubt she analyzed any democracies that have NOT turned to dictatorships.  For all I know, every country and every form of government may go through these same ten steps.  It's just not rigorous enough to conclude that America will become a dictatorship.  Also, she is using the same scare tactics she is preaching against by "invoking a terrifying internal and external enemy".  So maybe SHE wants to be the dictator, hmm? 

I'll hold judgment until I read the book, though. 

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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2008, 11:40:09 AM »
A country becomes bad when a government stops listening to it's people and does what it wishes. America is guilty of this, Britain is worse because thanks to Tony Blair and co they sheepishly followed "The American way".

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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2008, 01:20:32 PM »
A country becomes bad when a government stops listening to it's people and does what it wishes. America is guilty of this, Britain is worse because thanks to Tony Blair and co they sheepishly followed "The American way".
Into a war the public did not want. Politics seem to slide only one way.
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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2008, 01:36:51 AM »
Yeah, I seem to remember Blair looking for public support on this issue, got none, and said, "fuck it, I'm doing it anyway."

Nothing to do with our people, just the government.

However, I will remain on the fence about Gordon Brown for now.
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