Saturn Rings

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!
 

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

For starters:

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So, there's that.  Additionally, Saturn has been known to the human race for a very long time.  So long, in fact, that we don't know when it was formally discovered.  To say "if they truly exist" is sort of denying a huge block of human history. 

The rings of Saturn are comprised mostly of ice and rock.  The reason for the ring like appearance is likely due to the 60 moons surrounding the gas giant: as meteors struck smaller moons in closer orbit around Saturn, the resultant debris and tidal forces between the numerous moons and the planet itself caused an accretion disk to form around the planet.  Some evidence can be found in these interesting photos:







Comparing the formation of Saturn's rings to the concept of a flat earth sort of misses the fact that one is very solid and the other isn't at all.  The rings are gossamer like and can't even be thought of a being a solid surface. 

Well, first of all i don't want to believe that these images are real due to the fact that NASA never sends a photographer or another spacecraft to take images of other spacecrafts. "The rings are gossamer like and can't even be thought of a being a solid surface" here again, we are basing things on assumption as there is no proof if they are indeed made up of gas or solid material.

Let us say it's all imaginary as no one has really been there let alone they show us only computer generated images of all "would be" planets and not a single one of our own planet we live in.

Maybe it will better to say we don't know than to try and convince masses about something we have no idea about.

I think some of you flat-earthers should forget about all of this NASA paranoia of yours and go to an observatory and learn something about the planets......such as Saturn, for example. LOL.
Palomar in California or Mc Donald in Texas are good starting points. They've been around a lot longer than NASA.
Just because you might not know something "we have no idea about " is a mighty poor excuse to deny it doesn't exist.

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

So, we have another "I don't want to believe anything from NASA" thread?

Tell me, who on this planet is NOT lying to us?

YouTube??

Another Epic failure!

So, we have another "I don't want to believe anything from NASA" thread?

Tell me, who on this planet is NOT lying to us?

YouTube??

Another Epic failure!

According to FE, they are the only persons in the world who are  "holders of the truth" and everyone else in the world are liars and hiding the truth that the earth is flat.

Well, first of all i don't want to believe that these images are real due to the fact that NASA never sends a photographer or another spacecraft to take images of other spacecrafts. "The rings are gossamer like and can't even be thought of a being a solid surface" here again, we are basing things on assumption as there is no proof if they are indeed made up of gas or solid material.

Let us say it's all imaginary as no one has really been there let alone they show us only computer generated images of all "would be" planets and not a single one of our own planet we live in.

Maybe it will better to say we don't know than to try and convince masses about something we have no idea about.

You can see for yourself, literally, that the rings exist with a starter telescope for around $100.  I advise you to exercise caution though, you may see other things that you aren't ready to.

 I advise you to exercise caution though, you may see other things that you aren't ready to.

Uranus? 

Quote from: Opticon on September 17, 2017, 03:18:51 PM

 I advise you to exercise caution though, you may see other things that you aren't ready to.

Uranus? 

They renamed it Urectum....

It works on more levels!

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

Well, first of all i don't want to believe that these images are real due to the fact that NASA never sends a photographer or another spacecraft to take images of other spacecrafts. "The rings are gossamer like and can't even be thought of a being a solid surface" here again, we are basing things on assumption as there is no proof if they are indeed made up of gas or solid material.

Let us say it's all imaginary as no one has really been there let alone they show us only computer generated images of all "would be" planets and not a single one of our own planet we live in.

Maybe it will better to say we don't know than to try and convince masses about something we have no idea about.

I'm confused about what you are going on about.  We do have pictures of space crafts.  We do have pictures of the earth.
If you think they are fake, show some evidence.  If you think NASA and the many other space agencies are lying, prove it.
This is one place fly earthers fail.  They claim that NASA is all lies but cannot show any evidence of that.  They claim all images are fake cannot support that claim.
Whole threads have been devoted to this and the closest they come to proof is, I think it looks fake or, it's impossible (meaning they don't understand it) so it must be fake.
Do you have anything beyond that?

Well, first of all i don't want to believe that these images are real due to the fact that NASA never sends a photographer or another spacecraft to take images of other spacecrafts.

Nonsense.  NASA sent the space shuttle on a number of satellite repair or recovery missions, including 5 Hubble space telescope repair missions, and took lots of pictures along the way. 

https://www.wired.com/2011/04/0411space-shuttle-astronauts-repair-solar-max-satellite/
https://room.eu.com/article/Onorbit_satellite_servicing_insurance_and_lessons_of_Palapa_B2_and_Westar_6
http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/dev/hillger/Shuttle-related.htm

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Have you really ever looked through a telescope and seen Saturn?  I have, not as big a telescope as that one but I have clearly seen the rings.

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Yup.  There are exactly as many stars in that picture as there should be.

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on September 17, 2017, 06:18:31 PM

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Yup.  There are exactly as many stars in that picture as there should be.

Once again it is a simple matter of exposure, which some flat earthers do not seem to comprehend.
Expose for a relative bright object such as Saturn and dim objects such as stars will not register on the camera or film.
Expose for the stars and a bright object such as Saturn will be over-exposed.
That is why you see Saturn on the photo and do not see stars.

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

thats correct, we can generalise the believes of the FEIB. there are a lot of different believes with the Flat Earth.
some believe in a kind of space and some believe in a sort of dome where the sun, moon, planets and stars are only projection from a source that is located at the north pole.

that is the problem of the FE, there are many different believes like in religions

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Flat earth and space dont mix. As insane as flat earth already is it would definitely be proven false to FErs from space. If space is real then space travel and pictures and video are real and therefor would show the flat earth. But all space has proven so far is the reality of spherical planets. Thats why most FErs deny its existence

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on September 17, 2017, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Flat earth and space dont mix. As insane as flat earth already is it would definitely be proven false to FErs from space. If space is real then space travel and pictures and video are real and therefor would show the flat earth. But all space has proven so far is the reality of spherical planets. Thats why most FErs deny its existence

But... most flat Earthers don't deny its existence. You're also making massive logical leaps there. Why, if space exists, does space travel automatically have to be feasible?

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on September 17, 2017, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 18, 2017, 07:47:27 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on September 17, 2017, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Flat earth and space dont mix. As insane as flat earth already is it would definitely be proven false to FErs from space. If space is real then space travel and pictures and video are real and therefor would show the flat earth. But all space has proven so far is the reality of spherical planets. Thats why most FErs deny its existence

But... most flat Earthers don't deny its existence. You're also making massive logical leaps there. Why, if space exists, does space travel automatically have to be feasible?

Space proves flat earth wrong. So your implying a flat earth with space is impossible to travel to? Explain how if space is real the reasons you think we cant or havent gone to space?

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on September 17, 2017, 06:18:31 PM

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Have you really ever looked through a telescope and seen Saturn?  I have, not as big a telescope as that one but I have clearly seen the rings.

I went to a  "Star Party" at Mc Donald Observatory.
They had some small telescopes aimed at various objects.
One  of them was aimed at Saturn and that was what I saw.
Incidentally you only saw it in black and white on this telescope since your eyes can not see colors in dim light.
Most of the colored pictures of planets, nebulae, etc. were made by long time exposures to bring out the colors you see on those photographs.

Once again I would recommend a visit to an observatory  and  a "Star Party" for flat earthers.

I believe they would find it an eye opener. (If you will pardon the pun. LOL.)

Of course they would probably say the image of Saturn and its rings was  just "a pretty picture drawn by NASA and painted  on the telescope to make you think you are seeing Saturn."

Quote from: markjo on September 17, 2017, 06:47:42 PM

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on September 17, 2017, 06:18:31 PM

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Yup.  There are exactly as many stars in that picture as there should be.

Once again it is a simple matter of exposure, which some flat earthers do not seem to comprehend.
Expose for a relative bright object such as Saturn and dim objects such as stars will not register on the camera or film.
Expose for the stars and a bright object such as Saturn will be over-exposed.
That is why you see Saturn on the photo and do not see stars.

And another thing... You Silly People... if this was a fake image, on top of all the other fake images... why wouldn't they have added stars? 

Jesus Christ waving the flies away on the Cross....

Well, first of all i don't want to believe that these images are real due to the fact that NASA never sends a photographer or another spacecraft to take images of other spacecrafts. "The rings are gossamer like and can't even be thought of a being a solid surface" here again, we are basing things on assumption as there is no proof if they are indeed made up of gas or solid material.

Let us say it's all imaginary as no one has really been there let alone they show us only computer generated images of all "would be" planets and not a single one of our own planet we live in.

Maybe it will better to say we don't know than to try and convince masses about something we have no idea about.

Do you realize that everything you see on a "Screen" is a computer generated image?

Really think about that.... Think long and hard... The ONLY thing that isn't a computer generated image is what you see either through chemical photography, a lens or your Eyeballs... anything and everything that at one point is converted to 1's and 0's is a stupid F'ing computer generated image...

So, when NASA's JUNO probe orbiting Jupiter sends back photos, NASA will release the RAW photos and then people will change the colors around... They aren't adding squiggily lines... I do not understand how thick everyone is by saying "Because colors were enhanced, It's a fake picture"

I wish you guys were just as critical of the ladies when they put on makeup and wear high heels (As Chris Rock put it) You aren't that tall, you aren't that pretty...

Just because they are dressing their presentation up a little bit, doesn't mean they aren't real...

I'm confused about what you are going on about.  We do have pictures of space crafts.  We do have pictures of the earth.
If you think they are fake, show some evidence.  If you think NASA and the many other space agencies are lying, prove it.
This is one place fly earthers fail.  They claim that NASA is all lies but cannot show any evidence of that.  They claim all images are fake cannot support that claim.
Whole threads have been devoted to this and the closest they come to proof is, I think it looks fake or, it's impossible (meaning they don't understand it) so it must be fake.
Do you have anything beyond that?

As much curious as everyone else, i have been wondering what the role of NASA really is. They spend billions of taxe payer dollars just to get space selfies that they don't even openly show to the public who pays for their missions. Of course not to derail from FE but what is it that NASA has presented to the American public pertaining space or Aliens (UFOs in the case)? Ziiilch !

Neither me nor you can prove anything here simply because we are in the dark but guess you believe just everything you are told without questioning it.

I like Flat Earthers for their courage and the will to find out their own answers without depending on NASA. If you show us recent, real FULL images of earth from outer space just like you "see" Saturn then we might have a starting point but as long as you or they can't, let's just enjoy being part of the Flat Earth Society.
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NASA publishes pictures all the time.  Not sure what you mean by they don't openly show the public.
Here is a link for you.
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/nasa-captures-epic-earth-image

Quote from: GRIZZ420 on September 17, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

Quote from: serv on September 17, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Well...There seems to be a difference of opinion amongst flat earthers.
Some say they believe in space.
Some say they don't.
After all, they ARE "free thinkers."

If you show us recent, real FULL images of earth from outer space just like you "see" Saturn then we might have a starting point but as long as you or they can't, let's just enjoy being part of the Flat Earth Society.

Lots and lots here: https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Including these of the recent solar eclipse:

Quote from: Googleotomy on September 17, 2017, 07:02:32 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 17, 2017, 06:47:42 PM

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on September 17, 2017, 06:18:31 PM

Quote from: AltSpace on September 17, 2017, 04:40:32 PM

No NASA or trust in authority required, a basic astronomy telescope allows observation of Saturn and its rings.

From an 82 inch telescope:

What a fantastic, incredible image.
Truly unbelievable.

Look at all the stars.

Yup.  There are exactly as many stars in that picture as there should be.

Once again it is a simple matter of exposure, which some flat earthers do not seem to comprehend.
Expose for a relative bright object such as Saturn and dim objects such as stars will not register on the camera or film.
Expose for the stars and a bright object such as Saturn will be over-exposed.
That is why you see Saturn on the photo and do not see stars.

And another thing... You Silly People... if this was a fake image, on top of all the other fake images... why wouldn't they have added stars? 

Jesus Christ waving the flies away on the Cross....

Something to consider about NASA photographs. If they are "composites" or "enhanced", they were all made from the real thing- the original or "raw footage" of stills and videos.