This is all a bit absurd.

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sceptimatic

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #780 on: October 17, 2017, 10:13:53 AM »
What is the difference in Volume of a Full SCUBA tank and an Empty SCUBA tank?


Or for that Matter, a Propane tank?


If I take an Empty SCUBA tank, how much water will it displace versus how much water will it displace if it is full
A full scuba tank has compressed gases into liquid to hold more atmosphere, obviously.
An empty tank only has the equal atmospheric pressure with the outside.
Drop one into water and it'll be pushed down because it'll displace that water.
The other one will require you to push down to displace the same amount of water.


Although a scuba tank will sink in the water whether it is empty or full of air, it will sink faster when it is full.
Exactly, because it's denser.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #781 on: October 17, 2017, 10:15:38 AM »
No need for mathematical formulas to get the understanding. It just requires the ability to want to.
Scepti, why is it so hard for you to understand why it's so hard for some of us to take denpressure seriously when you steadfastly refuse to quantify it?  If you can't do any math with it, then you can't make any predictions with it.  If you can't make any predictions with it, then it's completely useless.
You could do all kinds of maths with it. You can do all kinds of experiments with it.
The problem is it gets cast off as gravity and yet I have experiments that anyone can do, yet refuse to do to prove denpressure.
Actually, what you call denpressure is closer to what rest of the scientific community calls buoyancy (of which gravity is a component).

One of those experiments is using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber.
This alone proves my point but not one of you will attempt it......why?
The better question might be "since it's your theory, have you attempted it, and if not, why?"
Yep and it proves that centripetal or fugal force is down to atmospheric pressure and nothing more.
It literally kills of everything about the globe.
Just that one experiment.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #782 on: October 17, 2017, 10:18:54 AM »
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You could do all kinds of maths with it. You can do all kinds of experiments with it.
The problem is it gets cast off as gravity and yet I have experiments that anyone can do, yet refuse to do to prove denpressure.

One of those experiments is using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber.
This alone proves my point but not one of you will attempt it......why?

ok, show us the documentation of that experiment.
How about you do it.

you claim you have done that experiment or read the documentation of that experiment, therefor you have to show us the documentation.

also, even I show you any experiment that proves you wrong you will say that the experiment is wrong. (as it happens in a post above).

so you show us the documentation that you say is correct and proves your claim.

either you do it or you admitting that you only a big ass liar.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #783 on: October 17, 2017, 10:19:14 AM »

Most of us don't have access to all of those things. But if you've done it, documented it, and shown how it supports denpressure and not gravity, I'm certain we'd all love to see it. At a minimum you should be able to tell us how to perform it, and what we should expect to see. Because "using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber" does not an experiment explain.
Most of you seem to have plenty to say about all knowing scientists and what not but didn't bother with any evacuation chamber experiments.
I'm sure some have access to them but they appear strangely absent.

I can certainly tell you how to perform it. It's simple and requires minimal stuff at next to nothing in price, except for the actual evacuation chamber.


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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #784 on: October 17, 2017, 10:20:17 AM »
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You could do all kinds of maths with it. You can do all kinds of experiments with it.
The problem is it gets cast off as gravity and yet I have experiments that anyone can do, yet refuse to do to prove denpressure.

One of those experiments is using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber.
This alone proves my point but not one of you will attempt it......why?

ok, show us the documentation of that experiment.
How about you do it.

you claim you have done that experiment or read the documentation of that experiment, therefor you have to show us the documentation.

also, even I show you any experiment that proves you wrong you will say that the experiment is wrong. (as it happens in a post above).

so you show us the documentation that you say is correct and proves your claim.

either you do it or you admitting that you only a big ass liar.
You can't do this experiment wrong and cannot cheat it without being obvious.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #785 on: October 17, 2017, 10:23:58 AM »
He he he. Looks like I opened this can of worms again!
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #786 on: October 17, 2017, 10:24:37 AM »
we would must assume a lot to make your idea work. even so far that we have to assume that reality is not a boundary.

in reality your idea does simply not work.
if it could you would be able to show us an experiment that show that it works.

and because you are not able to show that experiment proves that your idea does not work.

so, either you show us an experiment or you proven that you are wrong.
It’s academic anyway.  It’s just a thought exercise on sceptimatic’s part.  In the real world it’s moot because there is no basis to assume the world works this way.

IMHO, any theory to replace gravity would have to explain the Cavendish experiment.  It’s a very cool experiment.  I got to do it with the aeronautics club in high school.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #787 on: October 17, 2017, 10:27:43 AM »
The volume of an object is how much physical space it occupies.

Density is the amount of mass per unit volume.

You cannot argue these definitions as they are fundamental characteristics of an object.

A cube with sides measuring 1cm x 1cm x 1cm has a volume of 1cm3. If this cube is made of lead then it will have a greater mass than if it were made of aluminium.

The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.

Do I need to get out my metal cubes and demonstrate this using a measuring beaker of water?
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #788 on: October 17, 2017, 10:36:15 AM »
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You could do all kinds of maths with it. You can do all kinds of experiments with it.
The problem is it gets cast off as gravity and yet I have experiments that anyone can do, yet refuse to do to prove denpressure.

One of those experiments is using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber.
This alone proves my point but not one of you will attempt it......why?

ok, show us the documentation of that experiment.
How about you do it.

you claim you have done that experiment or read the documentation of that experiment, therefor you have to show us the documentation.

also, even I show you any experiment that proves you wrong you will say that the experiment is wrong. (as it happens in a post above).

so you show us the documentation that you say is correct and proves your claim.

either you do it or you admitting that you only a big ass liar.
You can't do this experiment wrong and cannot cheat it without being obvious.

than you should be able to show us your documentation of that experiment.

why do you refusing to show it to us? do you have anything to hide?

Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #789 on: October 17, 2017, 10:38:27 AM »

Most of us don't have access to all of those things. But if you've done it, documented it, and shown how it supports denpressure and not gravity, I'm certain we'd all love to see it. At a minimum you should be able to tell us how to perform it, and what we should expect to see. Because "using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber" does not an experiment explain.
Most of you seem to have plenty to say about all knowing scientists and what not but didn't bother with any evacuation chamber experiments.
I'm sure some have access to them but they appear strangely absent.

I can certainly tell you how to perform it. It's simple and requires minimal stuff at next to nothing in price, except for the actual evacuation chamber.
Then describe how to do it, and the result we should expect. I work at a University, there's a chance I could make use of their vacuum chamber for an evening to do something, but it would require an actual experiment with documentation on what will be performed to do it. So please, lay out what we need, what to do, and what we should see happen.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #790 on: October 17, 2017, 10:42:13 AM »
The volume of an object is how much physical space it occupies.
 
Physical space?

Density is the amount of mass per unit volume.
Mass per unit volume?

You cannot argue these definitions as they are fundamental characteristics of an object.
I'm arguing them right now.


A cube with sides measuring 1cm x 1cm x 1cm has a volume of 1cm3. If this cube is made of lead then it will have a greater mass than if it were made of aluminium.
More density, yep. It will displace more atmosphere from within and external.


The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Do I need to get out my metal cubes and demonstrate this using a measuring beaker of water?
Yep, show away.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #791 on: October 17, 2017, 10:52:57 AM »
The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Archimedes must be laughing his head off at scepti right about now.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #792 on: October 17, 2017, 11:00:38 AM »
The volume of an object is how much physical space it occupies.
 
Physical space?
Yes, physical space. As in the dimensions of the object - the product of its length, width and height.

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Density is the amount of mass per unit volume.
Mass per unit volume?
How much mass occupies a given amount of volume. Each element for example has a specific mass in a given volume (at standard temp and pressure).

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You cannot argue these definitions as they are fundamental characteristics of an object.
I'm arguing them right now.

Volume is volume. You cannot argue it's definition. It would be like trying to argue the definition of the radius of a circle.


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A cube with sides measuring 1cm x 1cm x 1cm has a volume of 1cm3. If this cube is made of lead then it will have a greater mass than if it were made of aluminium.
More density, yep. It will displace more atmosphere from within and external.

Nope sorry. All objects of the same volume will displace exactly the same volume of a fluid regardless of density.


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The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Do I need to get out my metal cubes and demonstrate this using a measuring beaker of water?
Yep, show away.

I'm on holiday at the moment. I'll will do this at the weekend, unless someone else fancies stepping in and doing it in the meantime?
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #793 on: October 17, 2017, 11:02:18 AM »
I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Archimedes must be laughing his head off at scepti right about now.

And he's not alone, I imagine Newton's having a good laugh also.
I know I am.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #794 on: October 17, 2017, 11:12:42 AM »
The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Archimedes must be laughing his head off at scepti right about now.
Why?

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #795 on: October 17, 2017, 11:15:49 AM »
What is the difference in Volume of a Full SCUBA tank and an Empty SCUBA tank?


Or for that Matter, a Propane tank?


If I take an Empty SCUBA tank, how much water will it displace versus how much water will it displace if it is full
A full scuba tank has compressed gases into liquid to hold more atmosphere, obviously.
An empty tank only has the equal atmospheric pressure with the outside.
Drop one into water and it'll be pushed down because it'll displace that water.
The other one will require you to push down to displace the same amount of water.


Although a scuba tank will sink in the water whether it is empty or full of air, it will sink faster when it is full.
Exactly, because it's denser.



Exactly... because one will float or not float irrigardles of the amount of air inside depending on the mood spectimatic is in... Rgr
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #796 on: October 17, 2017, 11:17:04 AM »
I'll resume on Jan 26th 2018.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #797 on: October 17, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
The volume is fixed and they will therefore displace exactly the same amount of fluid.
Nope. Only if you give it a helping hand.
Archimedes must be laughing his head off at scepti right about now.
Why?
Because you think that you're smart enough to disprove a basic principle of nature that he discovered over two thousand years ago.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #798 on: October 17, 2017, 11:20:55 AM »
I'll resume on Jan 26th 2018.
Be good.

at that date you will present evidence for your claims?

but you should already have some documentation of experiments that would prove your claims.

we still waiting that you stay to your words.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #799 on: October 17, 2017, 11:33:39 AM »
I'll resume on Jan 26th 2018.
Be good.

I see you're running away from this subject, like the last time when we offered to present experimental evidence.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #800 on: October 17, 2017, 12:28:49 PM »
It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.
The problem with your denpressure is that
pressure doesn't have a preferred direction – the same air pressure is pressing the floor, the walls and the ceiling.
Also, in a vaccum chamber on Earth objects still fall down in 9.8 m/s/s


That video is absolute nonsense.
OK, maybe you don't accept that things fall in vaccum, but what about the fact that pressure presses in all directions and not just downwards?
You can see it when you blow a balloon – the pressure inside pushes it to expand in every direction, but if you put there a weight that falls downwards (without blowing the balloon) you can see that the balloon only expands downwards.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #801 on: October 17, 2017, 12:35:27 PM »
I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

What naturally occurring element is more dense?


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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #802 on: October 17, 2017, 01:37:44 PM »
I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

What naturally occurring element is more dense?
Well, Unobtainium of course.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #803 on: October 17, 2017, 01:58:17 PM »
I'll resume on Jan 26th 2018.

Noted. See you in January. I'll remind you in case you forget.

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #804 on: October 17, 2017, 02:02:25 PM »

This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

What naturally occurring element is more dense?
Well, Unobtainium of course.

NAZA didn't specify "naturally occurring element". I think he means sceptimatic is denser than Osmium. Even if he's not, scepti certainly works hard trying to convince us that he is.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #805 on: October 17, 2017, 02:04:23 PM »
He done R-U-N-N-O-F-T!
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #806 on: October 17, 2017, 02:22:10 PM »



I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.


This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

What naturally occurring element is more dense?



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He done R-U-N-N-O-F-T!

Must be looking for answers.
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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #807 on: October 17, 2017, 02:23:34 PM »
I'm not interested in whether people like you understand anything. Do what you want to do.
Yes, because you a realise I am not stupid and foolish enough for you to con. You are only interested in gullible fools that might accept your ignorant bullshit.

The people I'm interested in are those that can think for themselves without being peer pressured by frenzied people like yourself.
Stop lying. The people you are interested in are those not smart enough (or not willing) to think for themselves, such that they will just accept the crap you try and feed them without thinking or questioning.

I do think for myself, I realised you model was pure garbage. I provided examples of why this is the case, using your model to make a prediction, which failed to match reality.
When I did this, all you were capable of doing in response was insulting me or ignoring me.

So stop lying.

They don't.
Yes, you are correct, there is a very tiny difference due to buoyancy. The aluminium falls ever so slightly slower, the exact opposite of what your model predicts.

Impossible to have the same volume and different density.
No. It is quite possible and happens quite frequently.
Density is mass per unit volume. You can have different densities regardless of volume.
I think what you meant to claim (which would still be ignorant garbage) is that it is impossible to have different densities.
But almost everyone knows that is bullshit.

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?
Nope.
So you admit that you were full of shit and objects can have the same volume while having a different density.

They don't have the same volume, at all.
So you don't know what volume is. Are you confusing mass and volume?
What is your idea of volume, as it clearly isn't what volume is.

A tennis ball and a lead ball of exact same size do not have the same volume because they do not have the same density.
Get it understood.
No, you get it understood.
Density is mass per unit volume.
As such, 2 objects, of different density can have the same volume, but then must have a different mass.

If you think you can't, then you will have 2 different volumes. Thus one will have more volume than the other. As the tennis ball is hollow and needs to be treated as a whole, make sure you have less volume of the tennis ball. Then break of parts of the lead ball until they have the same volume. You will then have 2 objects with different densities with the same volume.

Also, you get it understood, volume is a measure of size. If 2 objects are the same size then by definition they have the same volume.

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .
Not necessarily. You can have 2 objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch with different densities. Try it with water and oil.

My definition of density is very simple.
It's how much matter in any object that can displace atmosphere.
That makes it an extensive property, not an intensive property like density is, so it fails. That seems to be more akin to mass.

Density is quite simple, it is mass per unit volume.

The volume is how much atmosphere can occupy that same dense object.
You mean the void left behind by that object?
In that case you can take a 1 cubic inch lead ball and a 1 cubic inch styrofoam ball, and have them displace the same amount of atmosphere and thus have the same volume. But their matter is completely different meaning they do not have the same density, either in reality or in your BS definitions.

It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.
No it doesn't. It ignores reality and tries to use circular reasoning to define things.
It also makes no sense at all as things like helium filled balloons need to displace negative atmosphere.
It still has no explanation for why it happens in the first place.

One displaces more atmosphere than the other, or if you want to go the other way. One absorbs more atmosphere than the other.
No. They displace the same volume of atmosphere.

No. Do it yourself or leave it. I'm not arsed either way.
I did remember. I showed your claim was full of shit, after which you just insulted me and ignored me.

You aren't simply making a baseless claim, you are making a claim which has been proven to be wrong.

Interesting but by that definition the density listed on the periodic table of elements would be identical for every element.  That's clearly not the case. 
Why?
Because you can get a volume of any element, and get the same volume of any other element. By your BS they must have the same density.

What simple experiment?
Get a solid, empty container which can be made air-tight.
Weigh this container to determine its mass (or do some other experiment to determine its mass).
Then evacuate this container, removing air from it and thus having it displace more air.
Weigh it again (or otherwise determine its mass). By your baseless BS, it should weigh more as more air has been displaced, but instead, we find it weighs less.
Now, without letting in any air, fill it with some other fluid like water or oil. By your BS, as you aren't introducing any air, it should weigh the same. If anything, a small amount of air will get in and it should thus weigh less. But instead, we find it weighs more.

So your BS is quite easily disproven.

An even simpler one is to simply get 2 liquids, such as water and oil, and weigh 1L of both.
They are both 1L, they both displace the same volume of atmosphere. As such, they should both weigh the same with your BS. But they don't.

Or you can do a simple test for buoyancy (which you are still yet to explain in your BS model).
Take 2 objects of the same mass, such as mercury and oil. As the objects have the same mass, by your BS they must have the same volume and thus displace the same amount of a fluid. Put them both in water. As they displace the same amount of water, both should have the same experience, with both floating or both sinking. But once again, reality proves you're full of shit with the mercury sinking and oil floating.

No need for mathematical formulas to get the understanding. It just requires the ability to want to.
Yes, the "ability" to want to discard reality and pretend your delusional crap works, ignoring all the evidence which shows it to be pure bullshit.

What you need to remember though is, a scale plate and mechanism inside a evacuation chamber can alter.
There's an experiment already on youtube if you want to look.
That depends upon the mechanism. For most kinds, there is no issue.
Again, if you wish to assert there is you need to justify your claim.
The spring constant does not depend upon atmospheric pressure.

I bet they would show different. I know this for sure but they still don't prove anything due to the scales being manipulated by the evacuation of pressure.
Yes, by a tiny amount, in the wrong direction for your model.
The lead ball in air will displacing a volume of air resulting in it weighing slightly less, but that is the exact opposite of what you need.

Again, scales are not manipulated by the evacuation of pressure.

It has some potential to show change but not enough to convince some.
It is enough to convince any rational person that is honestly seeking the truth. It is not enough to convince people like you that have no concern for the truth and just want to live in a delusional fantasy world.

Just remember, no matter what chamber it is that's being evacuated it will never be a vacuum.
No, it will be a vacuum, just not a perfect one, but it doesn't need to be.

A true vacuum would evacuate ALL of the atmosphere from any object. It would render that object not an object.
You are aware objects aren't made up of the atmosphere?

Ok so you push the water away from the chamber and that water is now added into the surrounding water and is now adding more pressure to the external chamber, with the internal chamber being weaker in terms of withstanding the pressure due to no equilibrium.
Which would then require all other objects in the vicinity to magically weigh more, but they don't. Instead you just have the chamber weighing slightly less.
If the scales are inside the chamber, then the rigid chamber shields it from the pressure outside, so that argument is irrelevant. The key part is the pressure inside the chamber is less, so less atmosphere is displaced so the object should weigh less. But it doesn't. Instead it weighs slightly more.

It's because all you do is whine.
Pointing out your BS or asking you to back up your baseless, false claims is not whining.

A full scuba tank has compressed gases into liquid to hold more atmosphere, obviously.
An empty tank only has the equal atmospheric pressure with the outside.
Drop one into water and it'll be pushed down because it'll displace that water.
The other one will require you to push down to displace the same amount of water.
So you have one tank hold more atmosphere, which means it should weigh less and thus float. Meanwhile, over in reality, the tank holding more atmosphere weighs more.

One of those experiments is using a centrifuge inside a evacuated chamber.
This alone proves my point but not one of you will attempt it......why?
No, it doesn't prove your point. Especially as you aren't willing to do it either.
The reason none of us will attempt it is because it will require significant effort, requiring transmission of power into a vacuum chamber, which a typical vacuum chamber doesn't allow, with a power cord breaking the seal preventing a vacuum from forming.
Even if we did do it, you would simply ignore it like you have ignored other experiments we have presented to you, or you would complain that it isn't a perfect vacuum, or say some other crap like that to dismiss it.

Until you do the experiment, it does not prove your point.

That video is absolute nonsense.
See what I mean?
When you are confronted by an experiment which shows you to be full of shit what is your response? Do you rationally analyse the video, explaining what flaws there are? No. You just dismiss it as nonsense because it shows your model to be full of shit.
Yet you expect us to waste a significant amount of time to do an experiment for you, which you will just dismiss?
Grow up.

Yep and it proves that centripetal or fugal force is down to atmospheric pressure and nothing more.
No it doesn't.
Do you have any evidence of this experiment, or just a baseless claim of it?

Just that one experiment.
No it doesnt', as inertia still exists, even in a vacuum.

I'll resume on Jan 26th 2018.
Be good.
What's the matter? Need to take some time off to recover from having your ass handed to you repeatedly?

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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #808 on: October 17, 2017, 02:27:22 PM »
I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.


This thread proves beyond any doubt that Osmium is not the densest thing on earth.

What naturally occurring element is more dense?



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Re: This is all a bit absurd.
« Reply #809 on: October 17, 2017, 02:35:45 PM »

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?
No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.
Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?
Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .
Interesting but by that definition the density listed on the periodic table of elements would be identical for every element.  That's clearly not the case. 

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Why?
Why what?
Since it costs 2.72¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 5.44¢.