This is all a bit absurd.

Quote from: Mainframes on October 17, 2017, 07:57:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 07:21:22 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on October 17, 2017, 05:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 05:27:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on October 17, 2017, 04:05:01 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 03:45:16 AM

This thread seems to have abruptly died.

Not that much.
The one that really died was where he was pretending the atmosphere can replace gravity.
I guess he realised he couldn't just hope that people didn't understand the physics and instead can provide fairly accurate explanations which make his nonsense look like pathetic, childish BS.

I'm not interested in whether people like you understand anything. Do what you want to do.
The people I'm interested in are those that can think for themselves without being peer pressured by frenzied people like yourself.

Strange that a piece of lead and a piece of aluminium of the same shape fall at the same speed.

They don't.

How about objects of the same volume but differing density displacing identical volumes of fluid?

Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density? O.o Can I get some of whatever you're on?

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

It's exactly what you said

Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

In the microbeta example the balls both have the same volume, therefore they have the same density - according to you.

Or I have missed out, and you've now invented your own definition of volume?

I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:00:09 AM

Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

I think I've just found my new Sig! Thank you!

You're welcome.

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

yes, that is exactly what he said...

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

It's exactly what you said

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Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

In the microbeta example the balls both have the same volume, therefore they have the same density - according to you.

Or I have missed out, and you've now invented your own definition of volume?

They don't have the same volume, at all.

Quote from: Curious Squirrel on October 17, 2017, 08:20:00 AM

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

Either you have your own definition of density or you now agree that two items with the same spatial volume can have different densities.

Quote from: Mainframes on October 17, 2017, 07:57:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 07:21:22 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on October 17, 2017, 05:50:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 05:27:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on October 17, 2017, 04:05:01 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 03:45:16 AM

This thread seems to have abruptly died.

Not that much.
The one that really died was where he was pretending the atmosphere can replace gravity.
I guess he realised he couldn't just hope that people didn't understand the physics and instead can provide fairly accurate explanations which make his nonsense look like pathetic, childish BS.

I'm not interested in whether people like you understand anything. Do what you want to do.
The people I'm interested in are those that can think for themselves without being peer pressured by frenzied people like yourself.

Strange that a piece of lead and a piece of aluminium of the same shape fall at the same speed.

They don't.

How about objects of the same volume but differing density displacing identical volumes of fluid?

Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

you claim that a block of steel with the same dimension as a block of Aluminium have the same density?
why do they than have a different weight?
please show us any prove for that claim.

I tried making this argument 2 months ago with him in the Density buoyancy thread... He was like... NOPE, Fake News!

The world's least dense solid is a graphene aerogel with a density of just 0.16 mg/cm³; produced by a research team from the Department of Polymer Science and Engineering lab at Zhejiang University, China, headed up by Professor Gao Chao (China). The material was announced in Nature magazine on 27 February 2013.

Osmium is a chemical element with symbol Os and atomic number 76. It is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores. Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

I'm not bothered about all the numbered crap. It's irrelevant for the viewer.

A tennis ball and a lead ball of exact same size do not have the same volume because they do not have the same density.
Get it understood.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on October 17, 2017, 08:24:06 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

It's exactly what you said

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Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

In the microbeta example the balls both have the same volume, therefore they have the same density - according to you.

Or I have missed out, and you've now invented your own definition of volume?

They don't have the same volume, at all.

please show us your definition of Volume.

Sceptimaitc just broke the FlatEarth Web page with this!

I've never seen this many people respond so quickly

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .

FYI, the reason he is arguing this, is because his stacked Atmosphere is dependent on volume being the cause of gravity

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:26:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .

than a block of 1 cubic in of steel would weight the same as on of aluminium.
that is simply not true

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:26:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .

Interesting but by that definition the density listed on the periodic table of elements would be identical for every element.  That's clearly not the case. 

Mike 

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:27:17 AM

Quote from: Curious Squirrel on October 17, 2017, 08:20:00 AM

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

Either you have your own definition of density or you now agree that two items with the same spatial volume can have different densities.

My definition of density is very simple.

It's how much matter in any object that can displace atmosphere.
The volume is how much atmosphere can occupy that same dense object.

It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.

Scepti can you please give your definition of volume?  I think this is the issue.

FYI, the reason he is arguing this, is because his stacked Atmosphere is dependent on volume being the cause of gravity

I understand that's where he's going with this but there is no measurable basis for such a claim.  AAMOF, quite the opposite.  A simple experiment would disprove that claim in a heartbeat.

you claim that a block of steel with the same dimension as a block of Aluminium have the same density?

No I don't.

why do they than have a different weight?

One displaces more atmosphere than the other, or if you want to go the other way. One absorbs more atmosphere than the other.

please show us any prove for that claim.

No. Do it yourself or leave it. I'm not arsed either way.

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:29:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:27:17 AM

Quote from: Curious Squirrel on October 17, 2017, 08:20:00 AM

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

Either you have your own definition of density or you now agree that two items with the same spatial volume can have different densities.

My definition of density is very simple.

It's how much matter in any object that can displace atmosphere.
The volume is how much atmosphere can occupy that same dense object.

It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.

Sorry, apparently we were posting at the same time.  Thanks for the definition.
But no atmosphere can occupy a cubic centimeter of lead or tin.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:31:22 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:26:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .

than a block of 1 cubic in of steel would weight the same as on of aluminium.
that is simply not true

No it wouldn't for the reasons I've just explained to Canadabear.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:31:22 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:26:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:18:24 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

I'm sorry but I must be missing something.  Are you saying that two balls with a diameter of ten cm, on made of lead and one made of tin have the same density?  Do I understand you correctly?

No you don't understand me correctly, so try again.

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Are you saying that two objects with a volume one cubic inch would have the same density regardless of material?

Two objects with an exact volume of 1 cubic inch each would be equal in density too .

Interesting but by that definition the density listed on the periodic table of elements would be identical for every element.  That's clearly not the case. 

Mike

Why?

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:29:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:27:17 AM

Quote from: Curious Squirrel on October 17, 2017, 08:20:00 AM

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

Either you have your own definition of density or you now agree that two items with the same spatial volume can have different densities.

My definition of density is very simple.

It's how much matter in any object that can displace atmosphere.
The volume is how much atmosphere can occupy that same dense object.

It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.

So how do a cubic inch of lead and a cubic inch of aluminum weigh different amounts? How about a mathematical formula for volume?

Quote from: RocketSauce on October 17, 2017, 08:32:20 AM

FYI, the reason he is arguing this, is because his stacked Atmosphere is dependent on volume being the cause of gravity

I understand that's where he's going with this but there is no measurable basis for such a claim.  AAMOF, quite the opposite.  A simple experiment would disprove that claim in a heartbeat.

What simple experiment?

what is the difference between a cubic foot of water


and a cubic foot of ice....



I'll tell you...
A cubic foot of ice weighs 57.2 pounds, more than 5 pounds less than a cubic foot of water... I'm sure you know why

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:36:48 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:29:21 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 17, 2017, 08:27:17 AM

Quote from: Curious Squirrel on October 17, 2017, 08:20:00 AM

So a 1-inch cube of styrofoam and a 1-inch cube of lead have the same density?

Nope.

Either you have your own definition of density or you now agree that two items with the same spatial volume can have different densities.

My definition of density is very simple.

It's how much matter in any object that can displace atmosphere.
The volume is how much atmosphere can occupy that same dense object.

It's a key issue that defines denpressure and wipes out nonsense gravity.

So how do a cubic inch of lead and a cubic inch of aluminum weigh different amounts? How about a mathematical formula for volume?

No need for mathematical formulas to get the understanding. It just requires the ability to want to.

Quote from: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 08:37:57 AM

Quote from: RocketSauce on October 17, 2017, 08:32:20 AM

FYI, the reason he is arguing this, is because his stacked Atmosphere is dependent on volume being the cause of gravity

I understand that's where he's going with this but there is no measurable basis for such a claim.  AAMOF, quite the opposite.  A simple experiment would disprove that claim in a heartbeat.

What simple experiment?

I have two identical lead balls each on a scale which indicates that have identical weights.  However, one ball & scale is in a chamber that I use a vacuum pump to reduce the pressure in the chamber as low as achievable. 

Now compare scale with lead ball outside the chamber to the scale with the lead ball inside the chamber.  It's testable and repeatable and it would instantly confirm or refute your theory.  I bet my paycheck they will indicate the same weight.

Mike

what is the difference between a cubic foot of water


and a cubic foot of ice....



I'll tell you...
A cubic foot of ice weighs 57.2 pounds, more than 5 pounds less than a cubic foot of water... I'm sure you know why

I do know why and if you know why then you'll understand my point.