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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 03:48:49 AM »
>being this new.

Reported for openly requesting illegal content.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 04:19:54 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 04:51:03 AM »
Seems some people just like to lash out... You get shit for consuming info through traditional means AND get shit for exploring alternatives. That's a neat trick ::)

I haven't used tor very much. Wish I had more to share, it's been very helpful for a lot of people who otherwise would be censored or worse. I'd be interested in comments from those with some first-hand knowledge though.

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2017, 05:10:02 AM »
>being this new.

Reported for openly requesting illegal content.

I thought you to be a rebel... but yeah, seems like you are not.
Anyway, neither tor nor the darknet are illegal.

It was a joke, I don't report people.

Anything legal you want can be found on the internet.

The only reason to use the darknet is illegal activity. Your system will be compromised visiting it, you will be logged and monitored.

If you want to do so build an external virtual machine and use a vpn preferably configured yourself.

No one here will link you to sites, you are ignorant to assume you can "search". If you want sites go to cripplechan and get called a f*ggot like everyone else, say hi to the NSA while you are there.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2017, 05:29:11 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 05:39:22 AM »
I'm glad you took precautions.

You are proving my point. There are far more ways to stop google tracking you than one. If you really want to stick it to them I recommend using Ad nauseam. It's already cost them multiple lawsuits in false ad revenue.

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you can use tor for normal browsing (e.g. on this forum
You can do this without tor.

I'm glad you're not totally naive.
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the chance of the site being run by the fbi is probably 99.9%...

You arent as safe as you think. There are more honeypots than actual sites. This information is available on the regular net.

https://wikileaks.org/

Oh no wait you are totally naive.
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I don't plan to do too bad stuff I'm sure my government doesn't care.

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 05:46:36 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2017, 05:49:36 AM »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 02:53:45 PM »
Tor Network was developed by and maintained by the US government.  If you think that the government does not know what you are doing while using the network that it developed, then you are more delusional than I thought.

The core principle of Tor, "onion routing", was developed in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees...... In 2004, the Naval Research Laboratory released the code for Tor under a free license

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2017, 03:01:29 PM »
Tor Network was developed by and maintained by the US government.  If you think that the government does not know what you are doing while using the network that it developed, then you are more delusional than I thought.

The core principle of Tor, "onion routing", was developed in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees...... In 2004, the Naval Research Laboratory released the code for Tor under a free license
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2017, 03:59:02 PM »
Tor Network was developed by and maintained by the US government.  If you think that the government does not know what you are doing while using the network that it developed, then you are more delusional than I thought.

The core principle of Tor, "onion routing", was developed in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees...... In 2004, the Naval Research Laboratory released the code for Tor under a free license

I don't have a lot of experience with it but it appears to be open source.  So any backdoors would be pretty obvious.  There could be intentional vulnerabilities but since so many people use it it's unlikely that those would go unnoticed for long.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2017, 04:31:45 PM »
Sure. The idea of intentional vulnerabilities and backdoors are just a crazy conspiracy theory.

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2017, 04:35:21 PM »
One of the people involved is sabu.

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/anonymous-notorious-hacker-back-hes-gone-legit/

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2017, 04:52:29 PM »
Sure. The idea of intentional vulnerabilities and backdoors are just a crazy conspiracy theory.

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Never said they didn't. That's an obvious thing to anyone versed in the art. But it's not like government programmers are that much better than average that they could conceal it in an open source project.
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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2017, 05:12:22 PM »
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Caudill says Monsegur has already performed dozens of client penetration tests and successfully compromised the target network in every case. On one job, for instance, Monsegur hacked a major retailer's page for uploading timesheets by embedding malicious XML code into an Excel spreadsheet. In another attack on a financial company, Monsegur dug up old credentials that had been posted online. He had Caudill go to an open floor below the company's headquarters in the same building and, using a laptop and an antenna, try each credential until Caudill found one that let him access the company's Wifi network and ultimately its servers.

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The trove of documents, dubbed Vault 7, is said to be the first of a number of disclosures that reveal the CIA's hacking abilities. "The series is the largest intelligence publication in history," Wikileaks says. "This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive."
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2017, 05:31:06 PM »
LOL,

I love it, our 4chan fan boy is now an expert in Tor and network security.    Geezus  what next for our intrepid Anonymous wannabe?

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2017, 05:33:23 PM »
No one can be an anonymous wannabe. You either understand the idea or you dont. I linked to a man with no concept of the idea and some slight skill.

I'm no expert. I've just read the intelligence leaks, have you?

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The EDG is responsible for the development, testing and operational support of all backdoors, exploits, malicious payloads, trojans, viruses and any other kind of malware used by the CIA in its covert operations world-wide.

The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed by the CIA'sEmbedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs, transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most emblematic realization.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2017, 05:46:20 PM »
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Caudill says Monsegur has already performed dozens of client penetration tests and successfully compromised the target network in every case. On one job, for instance, Monsegur hacked a major retailer's page for uploading timesheets by embedding malicious XML code into an Excel spreadsheet. In another attack on a financial company, Monsegur dug up old credentials that had been posted online. He had Caudill go to an open floor below the company's headquarters in the same building and, using a laptop and an antenna, try each credential until Caudill found one that let him access the company's Wifi network and ultimately its servers.

Systems are only safe until someones outsmarts them.

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The trove of documents, dubbed Vault 7, is said to be the first of a number of disclosures that reveal the CIA's hacking abilities. "The series is the largest intelligence publication in history," Wikileaks says. "This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive."

Microsoft products are largely closed source. Tor is open source.

Are you aware of the security implications between the two?
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2017, 05:52:07 PM »
To a degree. I have no doubt you are a skilled programmer. Just naive.

Open source programs do usually make for openness and honesty.

Tell me what operating system you are using?

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2017, 06:28:41 PM »
To a degree. I have no doubt you are a skilled programmer. Just naive.

Open source programs do usually make for openness and honesty.

Tell me what operating system you are using?



Your opinion on this matter is paranoid and poorly informed. It's actually causing you to be more vulnerable to actual threats.

The os I'm using depends on what hardware I'm using.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2017, 06:52:56 PM »
Well if you are using a closed source os....

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CIA malware targets Windows, OSx, Linux, routers

The CIA also runs a very substantial effort to infect and control Microsoft Windows users with its malware. This includes multiple local and remote weaponized "zero days", air gap jumping viruses such as"Hammer Drill" which infects software distributed on CD/DVDs, infectors for removable media such as USBs, systems to hide data in imagesor in covert disk areas ( "Brutal Kangaroo") and to keep its malware infestations going.

Many of these infection efforts are pulled together by the CIA'sAutomated Implant Branch (AIB), which has developed several attack systems for automated infestation and control of CIA malware, such as "Assassin" and "Medusa".

Attacks against Internet infrastructure and webservers are developed by the CIA'sNetwork Devices Branch (NDB).

The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems covering Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more, such as EDB's "HIVE" and the related "Cutthroat" and "Swindle" tools, which aredescribed in the examples section below.

You think I am paranoid and I think you are naive. I believe we are both right to an extent.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2017, 07:01:49 PM »


You think I am paranoid and I think you are naive. I believe we are both right to an extent.

Okay, well one of us has to consider these things professionally the other has copied a bunch of vaguely ominous stuff from 4chan.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2017, 07:06:37 PM »
All this information is coming from wikileaks.

I am not aware of any connection between wikileaks and any channel. 2, 4, 6, 8 or 12.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2017, 11:44:56 PM »
All this information is coming from wikileaks.

I am not aware of any connection between wikileaks and any channel. 2, 4, 6, 8 or 12.

The problem is you've got a bunch of very technical data but menacing sounding data.  What you don't have is it's context though.  Which is a tricky thing because it requires a lot of research.  Instead what you've done is adapted it into your worldview without thinking critically. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2017, 01:20:12 AM »
All this information is coming from wikileaks.

I am not aware of any connection between wikileaks and any channel. 2, 4, 6, 8 or 12.

The problem is you've got a bunch of very technical data but menacing sounding data.  What you don't have is it's context though.  Which is a tricky thing because it requires a lot of research.  Instead what you've done is adapted it into your worldview without thinking critically.

I hate it when people do that.
Let's both try to do less of it in the future.

To be totally honest however, I think the context speaks for itself on this quote.

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The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems covering Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more, such as EDB's "HIVE" and the related "Cutthroat" and "Swindle" tools

Could you tell me what context that would be fine with you? Forgive me if I'm wrong but my impression was that this is the first time you've seen these leaks.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2017, 01:27:58 AM »

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The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems covering Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more, such as EDB's "HIVE" and the related "Cutthroat" and "Swindle" tools


So?
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 01:45:21 AM »
Not you Rayzor. I know you are fine with it.



I think honeypots work by actually selling you something. Since I'm obviously not going to buy anything form tor, I don't think that's a big risk.

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2017, 03:15:38 AM »
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The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems covering Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more, such as EDB's "HIVE" and the related "Cutthroat" and "Swindle" tools

I also heard that CIA has developed a...

Wait for it...

GUN!!!

It's an intelligence agency, that's what it does, what did you expect?
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 03:31:05 AM »
Do you understand what "automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems" means dno? I don't mean to sound rude.

It's not a conspiracy theory that this is used on the american people.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.