HURRICANE HARVEY, ENGINEERED STORM?

Quote from: Heiwa on September 11, 2017, 12:40:46 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 11, 2017, 07:10:13 AM

Quote from: disputeone on September 10, 2017, 10:12:30 PM

We deserve to know the entire truth. Do you disagree?

Sez who?  What makes you so special that you should know the entire truth?

Why do you always ask stupid questions?

Because you're so good at giving stupid answers.

Quote from: markjo on September 11, 2017, 01:01:40 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 11, 2017, 12:40:46 PM

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Quote from: disputeone on September 10, 2017, 10:12:30 PM

We deserve to know the entire truth. Do you disagree?

Sez who?  What makes you so special that you should know the entire truth?

Why do you always ask stupid questions?

Because you're so good at giving stupid answers.

Well, topic is if the hurricane Harvey was created not by nature as expectd but by humans (a CT!), and I thought Harvey looked pretty natural and added, if gutters had been fitted, Houston would not have been flooded. Plenty stupid guttersnipes then thought that gutters only collect rain water from roofs and forgot that gutters, i.e. channels, are also installed around houses and roads to evacuate rain water away from them to inhabited areas, e.g. the sea.

And it seems local building regulations in Texas do not require gutters.

So you can only blame the local government. I remember when GWB was governor and I asked him how he trained the state servants acting as executioners of all people sentenced to death in Texas. I never got an answer. And I forgot to ask about the gutters.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 02:54:20 AM

Quote from: markjo on September 11, 2017, 01:01:40 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 11, 2017, 12:40:46 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 11, 2017, 07:10:13 AM

Quote from: disputeone on September 10, 2017, 10:12:30 PM

We deserve to know the entire truth. Do you disagree?

Sez who?  What makes you so special that you should know the entire truth?

Why do you always ask stupid questions?

Because you're so good at giving stupid answers.

Well, topic is if the hurricane Harvey was created not by nature as expectd but by humans (a CT!), and I thought Harvey looked pretty natural and added, if gutters had been fitted, Houston would not have been flooded. Plenty stupid guttersnipes then thought that gutters only collect rain water from roofs and forgot that gutters, i.e. channels, are also installed around houses and roads to evacuate rain water away from them to inhabited areas, e.g. the sea.

And it seems local building regulations in Texas do not require gutters.

So you can only blame the local government. I remember when GWB was governor and I asked him how he trained the state servants acting as executioners of all people sentenced to death in Texas. I never got an answer. And I forgot to ask about the gutters.

Thank you for another excellent stupid answer.

Well, I am sorry if you consider it stupid. Hurricane Harvey was not an engineered storm...

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

To prevent another flooding incident Houston really have to fit a proper drainage system, incl. gutters.

Hurricane Harvey being an engineered storm is just a stupid conspiracy theory of flat earthers like you.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Have you ever tried to design a drainage system that can handle a foot of water a day for several days in a row for a city the size of Houston?

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 07:24:06 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Have you ever tried to design a drainage system that can handle a foot of water a day for several days in a row for a city the size of Houston?

No, you should know that my biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com . Safety on land is not my biz. But whereever there is water you have to control it. But not at Houston, Texas, USA. They forgot to install gutters.

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 07:24:06 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Have you ever tried to design a drainage system that can handle a foot of water a day for several days in a row for a city the size of Houston?

No, you should know that my biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com .

Safety on land is not my biz.

But whereever there is water you have to control it. But not at Houston, Texas, USA. They forgot to install gutters.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 05:04:24 AM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 07:24:06 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Have you ever tried to design a drainage system that can handle a foot of water a day for several days in a row for a city the size of Houston?

No, you should know that my biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com .

Well, obviously you aren't very good at your job because ships still sink.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2017, 05:49:12 AM

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Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 07:24:06 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 12, 2017, 11:58:28 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 12, 2017, 10:57:40 AM

... IMO, but the flooding of Houston was caused by lack of civil engineering regulations, e.g. gutters not fitted to allow rainwater to escape from inhabited areas.

This is the stupid part that I was talking about.

What is stupid about it?

The part where you think that gutters could keep up with more than a meter of rain over 4 days.

If the gutters were designed to remove a feet of rain per day, then there would have been no flooding of inhabited areas.

Have you ever tried to design a drainage system that can handle a foot of water a day for several days in a row for a city the size of Houston?

No, you should know that my biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com .

Well, obviously you aren't very good at your job because ships still sink.

Well that's like saying there aren't good aviation engineers because sometimes planes crash.

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway. It is a free country and people are stupid. So when it rains and great, newly inhabitated areas with cheap housings are flooded due to lack of drainage systems, it is a surprise, blah, blah, blah. 1000 years storms. LOL! And GWB was governor of the place for many years and executed 100's of people to keep the order. It explains it all.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 07:48:19 AM

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway. It is a free country and people are stupid. So when it rains and great, newly inhabitated areas with cheap housings are flooded due to lack of drainage systems, it is a surprise, blah, blah, blah. 1000 years storms. LOL! And GWB was governor of the place for many years and executed 100's of people to keep the order. It explains it all.

Whet do you get this information because it's wrong. Houston in particular has very stringent regulations about flooding control.

Either you're just making shit up again or its you usual shoddy research.  Which is it?

Mike

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation.
You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere,
as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

It is neither. I just read about it in some European newspapers suggesting all these new Houston subburbs
were built in old marschlands disregarding rain drainage systems and the risk of flooding.

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

What is a floodplain?

FEMA defines a floodplain as "any land area that is susceptible to being inundated by water from any source." In Harris County, a floodplain is generally defined as an area susceptible to being flooded due to either a channel's capacity being exceeded or due to a tidal storm surge. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

What is meant by the term 1% (100-year) Floodplain?

Also known as the Base Flood, it is an area of land that has a 1% chance of being inundated by floodwaters from a bayou or creek in a given year. The 1% (100-year) flood event is a regulatory standard used to administer floodplain management programs and the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), and to set building requirements for new construction. Statistically, the 1% (100-year) flood has a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time – the length of many mortgages. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

Is construction permitted within the 1% (100-year) floodplain?

Restricted development is permitted in the 1% (100-year) floodplain. The floodplain administrators at each municipality within Harris County are responsible for enforcing floodplain management rules and regulations that govern construction in the floodplain.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 07:48:19 AM

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

Hmm...  Maybe you should read the FAQ.

Quote from: https://www.hcfcd.org/faqs/

What is a floodplain?

FEMA defines a floodplain as "any land area that is susceptible to being inundated by water from any source." In Harris County, a floodplain is generally defined as an area susceptible to being flooded due to either a channel's capacity being exceeded or due to a tidal storm surge. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

What is meant by the term 1% (100-year) Floodplain?

Also known as the Base Flood, it is an area of land that has a 1% chance of being inundated by floodwaters from a bayou or creek in a given year. The 1% (100-year) flood event is a regulatory standard used to administer floodplain management programs and the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), and to set building requirements for new construction. Statistically, the 1% (100-year) flood has a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time – the length of many mortgages. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

Is construction permitted within the 1% (100-year) floodplain?

Restricted development is permitted in the 1% (100-year) floodplain. The floodplain administrators at each municipality within Harris County are responsible for enforcing floodplain management rules and regulations that govern construction in the floodplain.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2017, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 07:48:19 AM

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

Hmm...  Maybe you should read the FAQ.

Quote from: https://www.hcfcd.org/faqs/

What is a floodplain?

FEMA defines a floodplain as "any land area that is susceptible to being inundated by water from any source." In Harris County, a floodplain is generally defined as an area susceptible to being flooded due to either a channel's capacity being exceeded or due to a tidal storm surge. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

What is meant by the term 1% (100-year) Floodplain?

Also known as the Base Flood, it is an area of land that has a 1% chance of being inundated by floodwaters from a bayou or creek in a given year. The 1% (100-year) flood event is a regulatory standard used to administer floodplain management programs and the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), and to set building requirements for new construction. Statistically, the 1% (100-year) flood has a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time – the length of many mortgages. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

Is construction permitted within the 1% (100-year) floodplain?

Restricted development is permitted in the 1% (100-year) floodplain. The floodplain administrators at each municipality within Harris County are responsible for enforcing floodplain management rules and regulations that govern construction in the floodplain.

Thanks, so restricted development is permitted in the 1% floodplain, if your mortage is <30 years, but that development was destroyed at Houston due to lack of gutter channels a few years after construction. Yes, FEMA is a joke. Just look at its top brass.

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 11:00:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2017, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 07:48:19 AM

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

Hmm...  Maybe you should read the FAQ.

Quote from: https://www.hcfcd.org/faqs/

What is a floodplain?

FEMA defines a floodplain as "any land area that is susceptible to being inundated by water from any source." In Harris County, a floodplain is generally defined as an area susceptible to being flooded due to either a channel's capacity being exceeded or due to a tidal storm surge. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

What is meant by the term 1% (100-year) Floodplain?

Also known as the Base Flood, it is an area of land that has a 1% chance of being inundated by floodwaters from a bayou or creek in a given year. The 1% (100-year) flood event is a regulatory standard used to administer floodplain management programs and the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), and to set building requirements for new construction. Statistically, the 1% (100-year) flood has a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time – the length of many mortgages. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

Is construction permitted within the 1% (100-year) floodplain?

Restricted development is permitted in the 1% (100-year) floodplain. The floodplain administrators at each municipality within Harris County are responsible for enforcing floodplain management rules and regulations that govern construction in the floodplain.

Thanks, so restricted development is permitted in the 1% floodplain, if your mortage is <30 years, but that development was destroyed at Houston due to lack of gutter channels a few years after construction. Yes, FEMA is a joke. Just look at its top brass.

You are just plain lying again. You can't make the claim that gutters have anything to do with it.  You don't the slightest clue what the total capacity of those gutters you keep talking about.

You show us a single example of a major coastal city anywhere in the world that could handle 1.25 meters of rain in four days. Let me help you...you can't so stop making shit up and do some real research.

Mike

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Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 11:00:51 PM

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2017, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on September 13, 2017, 07:48:19 AM

Well, it seems Texas has no rules to prevent flooding of areas of new habitation. You can build wherever you like and gutters are not really required anywhere, as the place is mostly a desert anyway.

Hmm...  Maybe you should read the FAQ.

Quote from: https://www.hcfcd.org/faqs/

What is a floodplain?

FEMA defines a floodplain as "any land area that is susceptible to being inundated by water from any source." In Harris County, a floodplain is generally defined as an area susceptible to being flooded due to either a channel's capacity being exceeded or due to a tidal storm surge. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

What is meant by the term 1% (100-year) Floodplain?

Also known as the Base Flood, it is an area of land that has a 1% chance of being inundated by floodwaters from a bayou or creek in a given year. The 1% (100-year) flood event is a regulatory standard used to administer floodplain management programs and the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), and to set building requirements for new construction. Statistically, the 1% (100-year) flood has a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time – the length of many mortgages. See the Flash interactive overview for more information.

Is construction permitted within the 1% (100-year) floodplain?

Restricted development is permitted in the 1% (100-year) floodplain. The floodplain administrators at each municipality within Harris County are responsible for enforcing floodplain management rules and regulations that govern construction in the floodplain.

Thanks, so restricted development is permitted in the 1% floodplain, if your mortage is <30 years, but that development was destroyed at Houston due to lack of gutter channels a few years after construction. Yes, FEMA is a joke. Just look at its top brass.

You are just plain lying again. You can't make the claim that gutters have anything to do with it.  You don't the slightest clue what the total capacity of those gutters you keep talking about.

You show us a single example of a major coastal city anywhere in the world that could handle 1.25 meters of rain in four days. Let me help you...you can't so stop making shit up and do some real research.

Mike

Well, it was just bad luck! A 1% (100-year) flood or rain fall (make your choice) with a 26% chance of occurring during a 30-year period of time just happened, when they had filled the wet lowlands with cheap buildings.

Mike, why do you always support all nonsense you learn somewhere - in the gutters?

how about... had they not developed the land in the first place... any one consider that?

Exactly.  Who is stupid enough to build on a hurricane prone flood plain in the first place?