What is the origin of earth?

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Would you consider yourself a typical  heliocentric?

Yes i do.

You believe s magic spec of fairy dust exploded in a vacuum

Nope, i believe that an extremely dense and hot singularity passed trough a process of fast expansion that eventually cooled down and formed structures while continuing its expansion.

Then created the universe by accident.

Yep.

You believe in human evolution even though the "missing link" has NEVER been found.

You guys with your friggin missing links...

'Missing link' is not a term used by scientists in this field it tends to be used more by creationists and relates to an outdated view of evolution as akin to animal species being like links in a chain.

Also, what does it mean to say the missing link between 'the ape and the man'? Humans are apes. Our most recent common ancestor with chimpanzees lived about 5-6 million years ago. Would a fossil of that animal (neither a chimp nor a human) be 'the' missing link?

In any case, many, many transitional fossils have been found between all kinds of distinct taxonomical groups, including in our ancestral line. There is no one 'missing link' waiting to be found.

One final point you suggest that there would have been many individuals of the 'missing link' species? Not necessarily. Some research suggests the human population in sub-Saharan Africa dropped to as low as 2000 individuals for around 100k years.

You believe in the universe even though you have never seen it.

I have seen it, in the night sky, through a telescope, photograps, videos, the sun, the moon, heck, the earth is part of the universe! i am part of the universe! thus, everytime i see myself through a mirror, im seeing part of the universe, therefore, i have seen the universe.

You believe in the Globe even though you have never seen it.

And also because it fits all the observations made during the last centuries, ships sinking below the horizon, sunrise, sunsets, passes of the moon, eclipses, shadows, etc etc.
even before the telescope was invented people had found out the earth was not flat.

You then mock me for believing :

Our perfectly balanced Earth was intelligently created.

I have not mocked you, i have, not a single time in this discussion called you a flattard nor an ignorant.

That the ancients  had superior technology bearing in mind that our present technology only moved on from the industrial revolution around 300 years ago and the ancients had over 1300 years to move forward from.

And the industrial revolution gave us superior technology.

While the ancients have built impressive things, these things would have been called inefficient, and inpractical.

Such as the pyramids, while impressive, it has almost no hollow space, one of the only uses i could think of is burying important people and storing money and other things.

That the ancients built many superior structures and monuments some of which are still standing to this day.

What are these ancient superior structures and monuments some of which are still standing to this day?

That the Earth still bears the scars of the ancients technology.

You have not given proof of this.

I have seen some of these structures .

Tell us about them.

I have seen paintings and statues of animal human hybrids these are written about in religous scriptures also.

Nice.

To splice DNA would take superior technology.

And we are doing that right now, we have even found a way to modify the human genome.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome_editing
https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-genome-editing
http://www.nature.com/news/genome-editing-7-facts-about-a-revolutionary-technology-1.18869

People can believe what ever they want just don't think that you are superior just because you believe and repeat what you have been told by the people you perceive to be in authority.

I do not feel superior to you.
The way you perceive things is troubling to me, i have not been to australia, yet people tell me its a real place, does that mean australia doesnt exist?

I was taught things, and these things that people have told me seem real and logical to me.

You are no different to a North Korean who believes what their authorities told them.

And you are no different to the people who told you that the "missing links" are a problem for evolution.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False

Your Strange Geocentric Delusion is False


Honestly, arguing with you feels like a chore, i have provided evidence, just for you to not acept and refuse to acknowledge it due to me being told these things.

Can you please, stop triying to poke holes at evolution, the big bang, plate tectonics, biology, astronomy, archeology, paleontology, etc etc and give me proof of a recent creation and how it works?

             

Damn creationists are blind sheep repeating whatever an iron age book told them.

What did I quote from the bible? This is your blindness that instantly makes you think that any science or answer given against your Darwinian religion is automatically from the bible.

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Fossils: Not scientific proof as it's based on assumptions and categorically inaccurate.

How is it based on assumptions and categorically inaccurate?

Go study radiometric dating and what it's actually based on.

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Continental drift Again, based on assumptions that it takes "millions of years" - based on what?

Tectonic drift is an extremely slow process, satellite data shows that the continents move 2 cm PER YEAR the only logical solution, is that it must have taken MILLIONS of years.

Assumptions again. What must have taken MILLIONS of years? What's the starting point? Is that scientifically proven as well?

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Impact craters These fairy tale answers seem to have a pattern. Again, based on what scientific observation or experiment?

I already answered this, but asteroid strikes that produce craters  kilometers across are extremely infrequent occurrences, even if creationists were to present some scenario in which many dozens of large asteroids could hit the Earth in less than 6,000 years, there are still tremendous problems with this idea, the largest asteroid impacts are some of the most catastrophic events the world has ever seen.

This doesn't answer the question nor does it prove anything you're trying to prove. All assumptions on events that MAY or MAY NOT have happened.

In Antarctica there is a crater 500 km in diameter which is calculated to have been caused by an asteroid 48 km in diameter roughly 250 million years ago.
How the life we see today could have survived such an incident (if it had occurred in the last 6,000 years) is a serious problem for YECs; an asteroid impact that big would have led to the extinction of all medium to large size species, an event that given the creationist model: short time frame, no evolution — the world would still not have recovered from.

All your assumptions are highlighted above. NONE provable hence dismissed in the name of real SCIENCE. Besides, if according to your belief medium to large size "species" did not survive every asteroid impact each 310,000 years which you also believe as fact then how did the medium to large "species" evolve from the survivor smaller species again in under 310,000 years? I thought it took millions of years for macro-evolution to occur?

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Erosion Here you screwed up pretty bad. Check the rate of erosion of the grand canyon itself. Say, 20 years, then multiply that by millions/billions of years. This "evolution" proof is laughable.

Using the normal rate of erosion seen in water it would have taken 6 million years for the grand canyon to form.
However, some research has shown that it could have taken 17 million years for it to form.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/science/07canyon.html?_r==1&ref==us&oref==slogin

That's funny. You're giving me a source to a multi-million dollar corporation who has its own section on Evolution "news"? Also, more assumptions to prove your "facts"? How does that exactly work? To prove something is a fact, I start taking guesses? Very smart. 1. You assume the rate of erosion has been constant for your so called MILLIONS of years. 2. You assume it was carved by water yet there's HIGHER points to the canyon where there is NO water at present but you'll dismiss that observable FACT. You assume there's NEVER been any sort of catastrophic event to interfere.

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So these are your 4 evidences? So basically you've given nothing and you're asking for proof of a young Earth? By the way there is proof, actual testable,repeatable, observable and mathematically correct evidence of a young Earth. But I know how devoted to your god Darwin you all are so I'll just enjoy your funny pseudoscience and point out every little inaccuracy of your blind text book beliefs.

Yes, these are just 4 of the many other piece of evidence that point towards a much much older earth.

Mine is not pseudoscience, mine is science in its purest form.

Okay you keep telling yourself that.

What did I quote from the bible? This is your blindness that instantly makes you think that any science or answer given against your Darwinian religion is automatically from the bible

Oh, sorry bout that, i thought you were a creationist due to you denying evolution, thinking the earth is young and calling Darwinism a religion, my bad

Go study radiometric dating and what it's actually based on.

umm, what is the problem? can you explain pretty pleasee??

Assumptions again. What must have taken MILLIONS of years? What's the starting point? Is that scientifically proven as well?

The continental drift is the thing that must have taken millions of years, the starting point was probably the early archean period, no, it is not scientifically proven, it is a theory.

All your assumptions are highlighted above. NONE provable hence dismissed in the name of real SCIENCE. Besides, if according to your belief medium to large size "species" did not survive every asteroid impact each 310,000 years which you also believe as fact then how did the medium to large "species" evolve from the survivor smaller species again in under 310,000 years? I thought it took millions of years for macro-evolution to occur?

That is, assuming that the frequency i gave is correct, theorically, only 1 asteroid in a crossing orbit with earth would hit every 300,000 years, of course i dont know if there was some close asteroid 310,000 years ago, the last major extincion event that happened on earth was the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event that killed the dinosaurs.

What you said gave me chance to post about the evolutionary importance of mass extincions.

Mass extinctions have sometimes accelerated the evolution of life on Earth. When dominance of particular ecological niches passes from one group of organisms to another, it is rarely because the new dominant group is "superior" to the old and usually because an extinction event eliminates the old dominant group and makes way for the new one.
For example, mammaliformes ("almost mammals") and then mammals existed throughout the reign of the dinosaurs, but could not compete for the large terrestrial vertebrate niches which dinosaurs monopolized. The end-Cretaceous mass extinction removed the non-avian dinosaurs and made it possible for mammals to expand into the large terrestrial vertebrate niches. Ironically, the dinosaurs themselves had been beneficiaries of a previous mass extinction, the end-Triassic, which eliminated most of their chief rivals, the crurotarsans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/278/5338/597

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/78842694/why-mass-extinctions-are-good-for-evolution-and-what-may-cause-the-next-one

https://www.wired.com/2010/09/mass-extinction-dynamics/

Lastly, we dont actually know the time it takes for macro-evolution to happen.

That's funny. You're giving me a source to a multi-million dollar corporation who has its own section on Evolution "news"? Also, more assumptions to prove your "facts"? How does that exactly work? To prove something is a fact, I start taking guesses? Very smart. 1. You assume the rate of erosion has been constant for your so called MILLIONS of years. 2. You assume it was carved by water yet there's HIGHER points to the canyon where there is NO water at present but you'll dismiss that observable FACT. You assume there's NEVER been any sort of catastrophic event to interfere.

Yeah, it being a multi million dollar corporation that has its own section on evolution is not new, almost all other science pages probably have evolution sections and evolution articles, that does not mean its content isnt true.

The general scientific consensus is that the time it took to form was 6 million years, but this one gives the posibility for 17 million years.

1.- Hmm, true what time would you give for the erosion of the grand canyon?

2.- You are right, i wrote that under the assumption that water was the only factor that caused the grand canyon, i didnt take in account the volcanic activity, the uplift of the region in the laramide orogeny (a mountain building event 75 million years ago) and the climate brought by the ice age.

Okay you keep telling yourself that.

Yeah, maybe i sounded very arrogant there, already fixed it.

Now, can you tell me more about yourself? it might make debating with you easier.

Now that i discovered that you might not be a creationist, what are your beliefs? are you religious? atheist? why do you believe in a young earth? what do you believe is the age of earth?

Do you believe the earth is flat?

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 07, 2017, 03:23:22 PM

Damn creationists are blind sheep repeating whatever an iron age book told them.

What did I quote from the bible? This is your blindness that instantly makes you think that any science or answer given against your Darwinian religion is automatically from the bible.

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Fossils: Not scientific proof as it's based on assumptions and categorically inaccurate.

How is it based on assumptions and categorically inaccurate?

Go study radiometric dating and what it's actually based on.

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Continental drift Again, based on assumptions that it takes "millions of years" - based on what?

Tectonic drift is an extremely slow process, satellite data shows that the continents move 2 cm PER YEAR the only logical solution, is that it must have taken MILLIONS of years.

Assumptions again. What must have taken MILLIONS of years? What's the starting point? Is that scientifically proven as well?

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Impact craters These fairy tale answers seem to have a pattern. Again, based on what scientific observation or experiment?

I already answered this, but asteroid strikes that produce craters  kilometers across are extremely infrequent occurrences, even if creationists were to present some scenario in which many dozens of large asteroids could hit the Earth in less than 6,000 years, there are still tremendous problems with this idea, the largest asteroid impacts are some of the most catastrophic events the world has ever seen.

This doesn't answer the question nor does it prove anything you're trying to prove. All assumptions on events that MAY or MAY NOT have happened.

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In Antarctica there is a crater 500 km in diameter which is calculated to have been caused by an asteroid 48 km in diameter roughly 250 million years ago.
How the life we see today could have survived such an incident (if it had occurred in the last 6,000 years) is a serious problem for YECs; an asteroid impact that big would have led to the extinction of all medium to large size species, an event that given the creationist model: short time frame, no evolution — the world would still not have recovered from.

All your assumptions are highlighted above. NONE provable hence dismissed in the name of real SCIENCE. Besides, if according to your belief medium to large size "species" did not survive every asteroid impact each 310,000 years which you also believe as fact then how did the medium to large "species" evolve from the survivor smaller species again in under 310,000 years? I thought it took millions of years for macro-evolution to occur?

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Erosion Here you screwed up pretty bad. Check the rate of erosion of the grand canyon itself. Say, 20 years, then multiply that by millions/billions of years. This "evolution" proof is laughable.

Using the normal rate of erosion seen in water it would have taken 6 million years for the grand canyon to form.
However, some research has shown that it could have taken 17 million years for it to form.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/science/07canyon.html?_r==1&ref==us&oref==slogin

That's funny. You're giving me a source to a multi-million dollar corporation who has its own section on Evolution "news"? Also, more assumptions to prove your "facts"? How does that exactly work? To prove something is a fact, I start taking guesses? Very smart. 1. You assume the rate of erosion has been constant for your so called MILLIONS of years. 2. You assume it was carved by water yet there's HIGHER points to the canyon where there is NO water at present but you'll dismiss that observable FACT. You assume there's NEVER been any sort of catastrophic event to interfere.

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So these are your 4 evidences? So basically you've given nothing and you're asking for proof of a young Earth? By the way there is proof, actual testable,repeatable, observable and mathematically correct evidence of a young Earth. But I know how devoted to your god Darwin you all are so I'll just enjoy your funny pseudoscience and point out every little inaccuracy of your blind text book beliefs.

Yes, these are just 4 of the many other piece of evidence that point towards a much much older earth.

Mine is not pseudoscience, mine is science in its purest form.

Okay you keep telling yourself that.

Continental drift caused by plate techtonics has been well studied. I think there are numerous events that happen every year that may be small clues....earthquakes.....subduction, one continental plate sliding under another?
That aside the rate of movement of the earth's plates are constantly measured.
Read and learn
http://www.iris.edu/hq/files/programs/education_and_outreach/aotm/14/1.GPS_Background.pdf

From having read your previous rants you most likely won't believe it, but that is the nature of one such as you.

As for radiometrica dating, that is just a function of the way in which certain elements behav. Again dispute that then you are flying in the face of both certifiable knowledge and reason, but of course that's what all you anti-science types do.

If baffles me on why you are so selective about what you reject. Take quantum physics for example that explains how the very small stuff of which everything is made works.
The same laws that explain radioactive decay, also explain how microprocessors work and how fusion in our sun takes place. Reject one and you reject them all.

So I take it you don't believe in the computer you type on or the earth upon which you stand?

I wish for once that you flat earth believers would be a bit more consistent and stop treating science as something akin to pick and mix.

Now that i discovered that you might not be a creationist, what are your beliefs? are you religious? atheist? why do you believe in a young earth? what do you believe is the age of earth?

Do you believe the earth is flat?

I'll answer this portion only if that's okay. The rest is clarified pretty much how it's not an exact science and based on wild assumptions.

1. What are my beliefs. I believe in a creator outside of this universe which is based purely on faith and cannot be proven with Science. The only alternative is the Darwinian religion which is also based on faith and not Science. From the two, being created is far more logical than evolving from a rock.

2. Am I religious? No

3. Am I an atheist? No

4,5. I believe in a young Earth based on many factors. It's not even remotely based on the bible. Every indication in scientific verifiable research points to a 10-20,000 years which is a VERY long time. Millions and billions is pure fantasy and holds no scientific credibility to me based on the definition of Science.

6. Do I believe the Earth is flat. No. Not at all.

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According to FES NASA scientists don't tell the truth about the earth. Right?

Didn't we go over this? I believe NASA isn't lying or faking anything, so I see no problem with asking them for the answers. It is their full-time job, after all.

But NASA also says the Earth is spherical and has pictures to prove it. As a Flat Earther conspiracy theorist, how can you possibly say NASA doesn't fake anything?

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Would you consider yourself a typical  heliocentric?

Yes i do.

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You believe s magic spec of fairy dust exploded in a vacuum

Nope, i believe that an extremely dense and hot singularity passed trough a process of fast expansion that eventually cooled down and formed structures while continuing its expansion.

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Then created the universe by accident.

Yep.

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You believe in human evolution even though the "missing link" has NEVER been found.

You guys with your friggin missing links...

'Missing link' is not a term used by scientists in this field it tends to be used more by creationists and relates to an outdated view of evolution as akin to animal species being like links in a chain.

Also, what does it mean to say the missing link between 'the ape and the man'? Humans are apes. Our most recent common ancestor with chimpanzees lived about 5-6 million years ago. Would a fossil of that animal (neither a chimp nor a human) be 'the' missing link?

In any case, many, many transitional fossils have been found between all kinds of distinct taxonomical groups, including in our ancestral line. There is no one 'missing link' waiting to be found.

One final point you suggest that there would have been many individuals of the 'missing link' species? Not necessarily. Some research suggests the human population in sub-Saharan Africa dropped to as low as 2000 individuals for around 100k years.

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You believe in the universe even though you have never seen it.

I have seen it, in the night sky, through a telescope, photograps, videos, the sun, the moon, heck, the earth is part of the universe! i am part of the universe! thus, everytime i see myself through a mirror, im seeing part of the universe, therefore, i have seen the universe.

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You believe in the Globe even though you have never seen it.

And also because it fits all the observations made during the last centuries, ships sinking below the horizon, sunrise, sunsets, passes of the moon, eclipses, shadows, etc etc.
even before the telescope was invented people had found out the earth was not flat.

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You then mock me for believing :

Our perfectly balanced Earth was intelligently created.

I have not mocked you, i have, not a single time in this discussion called you a flattard nor an ignorant.

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That the ancients  had superior technology bearing in mind that our present technology only moved on from the industrial revolution around 300 years ago and the ancients had over 1300 years to move forward from.

And the industrial revolution gave us superior technology.

While the ancients have built impressive things, these things would have been called inefficient, and inpractical.

Such as the pyramids, while impressive, it has almost no hollow space, one of the only uses i could think of is burying important people and storing money and other things.

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That the ancients built many superior structures and monuments some of which are still standing to this day.

What are these ancient superior structures and monuments some of which are still standing to this day?

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That the Earth still bears the scars of the ancients technology.

You have not given proof of this.

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I have seen some of these structures .

Tell us about them.

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I have seen paintings and statues of animal human hybrids these are written about in religous scriptures also.

Nice.

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To splice DNA would take superior technology.

And we are doing that right now, we have even found a way to modify the human genome.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome_editing
https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-genome-editing
http://www.nature.com/news/genome-editing-7-facts-about-a-revolutionary-technology-1.18869

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People can believe what ever they want just don't think that you are superior just because you believe and repeat what you have been told by the people you perceive to be in authority.

I do not feel superior to you.
The way you perceive things is troubling to me, i have not been to australia, yet people tell me its a real place, does that mean australia doesnt exist?

I was taught things, and these things that people have told me seem real and logical to me.

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You are no different to a North Korean who believes what their authorities told them.

And you are no different to the people who told you that the "missing links" are a problem for evolution.

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Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False

Your Strange Geocentric Delusion is False


Honestly, arguing with you feels like a chore, i have provided evidence, just for you to not acept and refuse to acknowledge it due to me being told these things.

Can you please, stop triying to poke holes at evolution, the big bang, plate tectonics, biology, astronomy, archeology, paleontology, etc etc and give me proof of a recent creation and how it works?

           

For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.

These theory's have not been properly verified.

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

Jerimiah 5 : 21

Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

Thanks.

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

I am deeply embarrased for not knowing about physiology. 

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I have never claimed that, i just said that without evolution, biology is based on the wrong premises and modern medicine would not be well understood.

Besides, im too young to believe im an expert on medicine.

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Its okay.

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

In 16 years i will be 30 years old.

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

True, i just gave evidence for an old earth, not an old universe, if i gave you evidence for a old universe, would you accept it?

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.


These theory's have not been properly verified.

Yes they have, the plate tectonics theory gave us better understanding of the geology of earth, it also gave us better study of earthquakes. evolution gave us a better understanding of the development of the species on earth, along with better understanding of biology, medicine, agriculture,  etc.

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Mutation is essential for evolution, without mutations, evolution would not be possible.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_01
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/mutations-are-the-raw-materials-of-evolution-17395346
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/12-mutation-not-natural-selection-drives-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Also i think you are talking about Macro-evolution, which is when one species turns into another different species, this is part of evolution.
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Micro-evolution is the gradual change whitin species.

Thus, viruses do evolve.

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_forms

This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I am not religious, i do not hold Charles Darwin as the supreme all powerful god.

Theories are the highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory, that would be like saying Donald Trump is just a a president or that Albert Einstein was just a genius, or that Billionaires are just Billionaires.

Evolution is a theory, the cell theory and gravity which are the fundamental principles of biology and physics are theories too.

We, human beings do not hold the absolute truth, what we hold as truth changes over time, thus, changing what we hold as true, that is why nothing we know is really fully confirmed, it might have been different in the past, scientific theories are the things that are the closest things to what we humans consider as true.

I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

That toe nail would be proof that the dinosaur existed, however, the dinosaur could not have evolved from the toe nail, as to my understanding, toe nails arent alive.

Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

It is not a religion.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This phrase is getting annoying.

You do seem to hold a lot of hate for the heliocentric model of the universe.

We, heliocentrics hold an astronomical model in which the earth, planets and pluto revolve around the sun.

Why do you despise us so much?

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Totally incorrect.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Totally irrelevant to the shape and movement of the earth.

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

So what? Like most neo-Flat Earthism Religious Believers to totally confuse the shape and movement of the earth with age and origins.
The "age and origins of the earth" must be a subject of hypothesis. We are not there and cannot directly observe nor measure them.

But the "the shape and movement of the earth" is something we can and do observe and measure now.

The shape of the earth has been measured and directly observed and it is not flat!

The rotation of the earth has been directly (high precision laser gyroscopes) and indirectly measured (astronomical methods) and been found to be not stationary but rotating.

So, until you can refute all the evidence available, I am quite convinced that the Heliocentric Globe is well justified.

You flat earth model can't explain numerous observations,
It is just as well there are plenty of believers in the Globe around to keep the world going for your mob.

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Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Totally incorrect.

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Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Totally irrelevant to the shape and movement of the earth.

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The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

So what? Like most neo-Flat Earthism Religious Believers to totally confuse the shape and movement of the earth with age and origins.
The "age and origins of the earth" must be a subject of hypothesis. We are not there and cannot directly observe nor measure them.

But the "the shape and movement of the earth" is something we can and do observe and measure now.

The shape of the earth has been measured and directly observed and it is not flat!

The rotation of the earth has been directly (high precision laser gyroscopes) and indirectly measured (astronomical methods) and been found to be not stationary but rotating.

So, until you can refute all the evidence available, I am quite convinced that the Heliocentric Globe is well justified.

You flat earth model can't explain numerous observations,

for even obvious things like sunrises and sunsets, day lengths and lunar and solar eclipses.

It is just as well there are plenty of believers in the Globe around to keep the world going for your mob.

You are incorrect.

All these aspects of Your heliocentric religion have been recently discussed and debunked on this forum.

I know your Old and decrepit;  it would appear you are now senile aswell.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quick question for 'Young Earthers': Could you explain to a senile, decrepit Old Earther like me how ring species work under creationist rules? Surely ring species are the link between micro- and macro-evolution?

Quote from: rabinoz on August 08, 2017, 08:11:45 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 04:03:54 PM

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Totally incorrect.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Totally irrelevant to the shape and movement of the earth.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

So what? Like most neo-Flat Earthism Religious Believers to totally confuse the shape and movement of the earth with age and origins.
The "age and origins of the earth" must be a subject of hypothesis. We are not there and cannot directly observe nor measure them.

But the "the shape and movement of the earth" is something we can and do observe and measure now.

The shape of the earth has been measured and directly observed and it is not flat!

The rotation of the earth has been directly (high precision laser gyroscopes) and indirectly measured (astronomical methods) and been found to be not stationary but rotating.

So, until you can refute all the evidence available, I am quite convinced that the Heliocentric Globe is well justified.

You flat earth model can't explain numerous observations,

for even obvious things like sunrises and sunsets, day lengths and lunar and solar eclipses.

It is just as well there are plenty of believers in the Globe around to keep the world going for your mob.

You are incorrect.
All these aspects of Your heliocentric religion have been recently discussed and debunked on this forum.
I know your Old and decrepit;  it would appear you are now senile aswell.

Now, we know for sure that you realise that you have no logical arguments left and all you can do is stoop to personal attacks.
It's usually called

argumentum ad hominem (from the Latin, "to the man") is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when someone attempts to refute an argument by attacking the claim-maker, rather than engaging in an argument or factual refutation of the claim.
From: Argumentum ad hominem - RationalWiki

Thanks for that admission!

Bye bye, Ignorance.Is.Bliss,  the admitted loser! Hope you like this eclipse

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 05:16:50 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 04:31:32 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 03:41:46 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 06, 2017, 02:54:06 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 02:38:23 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 06, 2017, 02:32:41 PM

God created the earth, and the age I would guess being not much more than 4,117 years old.

Proof?

The Bible, book of Genesis.  You can lookup to see how they dated Abraham, and then work your way back from there since you are given specific information.

Yeah, no the flying spaguetti monster created the universe, the planets are shaped like meatballs!

No seriously, present scientific proof that the universe is 4,117 years old, a quote from the bible wont convince me.

What scientific proof do you have that this universe you speak of exists and is not simply lights in the sky.

What scientific evidence do you have the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

I would say you don't.

All you have is another man's word and computer generated images.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Well, here's some evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

- Fossils

- Continental drift, tectonic drift is a slow process, the separation of the two landmasses would have taken millions of years, satellite data has shown that the two continents are moving at a rate of roughly 2 cm per year which means that for the continents had to be together at some point in history, as all the evidence shows, the drift must have been going on for at least 200 million years.

- Impact craters, Asteroid strikes that can produce craters on the order of kilometers across are extremely infrequent occurrence, there is one large asteroid inpact every 310,000 years if the earth were young, there would be zero impact craters.

- Erosion, The Grand Canyon, took millions of years to form using the normal rate of erosion seen in water.

Those are just 4 of many other pieces of evidence that prove that the earth is indeed 4.5 billion years old, how about YOU present some scientific evidence for a young earth?

How do you consider another man's word to be evidence ?

How have you verified how old fossils are ?

Answer.

Because someone told you.


How have you verified that the continents have drifted ?

Answer.

Because someone told you.


How do you know asteroid strikes produced craters over 100000 of years.

Answer.

Because someone told you.

How do you know the grand canyon took millions of years to form with water erosion?

Answer.

Because someone told you.

For example :

Fossils could be 3500 years old they could 10 years old how would you be able to verify their age ?

The continents could be stationary how could you verify that they move an alleged 20 mm a year.?

These so called asteroid strikes you speak of could of been the battle scars of the ancients superior weapons.

The Grand canyon could be the result of the ancients mining with there superior machines and technology.

All your doing is repeating what you have been told you have yet to provide any evidence what so ever.

I all comes down to belief .

Do you believe what you have been told or not.

I do not.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Which ancients are these that you're on about? I take it you have proof of their existence. But please, tell me where did they live? How long did their society last for? Where was the capital city and what was its name? What language did they speak?
Please share.

Trust me.

You will not want me to go there.

I will take the readers from The Fallen Angels right up to your brethren building the the large hadron collider at Cern.

 They will then use this abomination to bring these entities back into this dimension and then claim that they are Aliens from " SPACE "

Lol.

Lol.

Do you want some more ?


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Bye bye, Ignorance.Is.Bliss,  the admitted loser! Hope you like this eclipse

Does your boss allow you to play around with paint/photoshop during the day ?
You should take a course, because with moden tools it can look a lot better .

Quote from: Lonegranger on August 07, 2017, 01:02:02 PM

Which ancients are these that you're on about? I take it you have proof of their existence. But please, tell me where did they live? How long did their society last for? Where was the capital city and what was its name? What language did they speak?
Please share.

Trust me.

You will not want me to go there.

I will take the readers from The Fallen Angels right up to your brethren building the the large hadron collider at Cern.

 They will then use this abomination to bring these entities back into this dimension and then claim that they are Aliens from " SPACE "

Lol.

Lol.

Do you want some more ?

Yes, absolutely I want more, with that introduction!

Quote from: rabinoz on August 09, 2017, 01:07:49 AM

Bye bye, Ignorance.Is.Bliss,  the admitted loser! Hope you like this eclipse

Does your boss allow you to play around with paint/photoshop during the day ?

I don't have a boss!  But please, oh please, don't tell "she who must be obeyed" that! 

You should take a course, because with moden tools it can look a lot better .

No, I don't want genuine photos to "look a lot better". I prefer to stick to factual photos,

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 09, 2017, 01:42:33 AM

Quote from: Lonegranger on August 07, 2017, 01:02:02 PM

Which ancients are these that you're on about? I take it you have proof of their existence. But please, tell me where did they live? How long did their society last for? Where was the capital city and what was its name? What language did they speak?
Please share.

Trust me.

You will not want me to go there.

I will take the readers from The Fallen Angels right up to your brethren building the the large hadron collider at Cern.

 They will then use this abomination to bring these entities back into this dimension and then claim that they are Aliens from " SPACE "

Lol.

Lol.

Do you want some more ?

Yes, absolutely I want more, with that introduction!

Tee hee hee

OK I will go into this later today when I have time.

Don't blame me if this site gets shut down.


Remember you asked for this.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

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For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

Thanks.

Quote

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

I am deeply embarrased for not knowing about physiology. 

Quote

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I have never claimed that, i just said that without evolution, biology is based on the wrong premises and modern medicine would not be well understood.

Besides, im too young to believe im an expert on medicine.

Quote

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Its okay.

Quote

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

In 16 years i will be 30 years old.

Quote

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

True, i just gave evidence for an old earth, not an old universe, if i gave you evidence for a old universe, would you accept it?

Quote

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.


These theory's have not been properly verified.

Yes they have, the plate tectonics theory gave us better understanding of the geology of earth, it also gave us better study of earthquakes. evolution gave us a better understanding of the development of the species on earth, along with better understanding of biology, medicine, agriculture,  etc.

Quote

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Mutation is essential for evolution, without mutations, evolution would not be possible.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_01
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/mutations-are-the-raw-materials-of-evolution-17395346
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/12-mutation-not-natural-selection-drives-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Also i think you are talking about Macro-evolution, which is when one species turns into another different species, this is part of evolution.
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Micro-evolution is the gradual change whitin species.

Thus, viruses do evolve.

Quote

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_forms

Quote

This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I am not religious, i do not hold Charles Darwin as the supreme all powerful god.

Theories are the highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory, that would be like saying Donald Trump is just a a president or that Albert Einstein was just a genius, or that Billionaires are just Billionaires.

Evolution is a theory, the cell theory and gravity which are the fundamental principles of biology and physics are theories too.

We, human beings do not hold the absolute truth, what we hold as truth changes over time, thus, changing what we hold as true, that is why nothing we know is really fully confirmed, it might have been different in the past, scientific theories are the things that are the closest things to what we humans consider as true.

Quote

I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

That toe nail would be proof that the dinosaur existed, however, the dinosaur could not have evolved from the toe nail, as to my understanding, toe nails arent alive.

Quote

Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

It is not a religion.

Quote

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This phrase is getting annoying.

You do seem to hold a lot of hate for the heliocentric model of the universe.

We, heliocentrics hold an astronomical model in which the earth, planets and pluto revolve around the sun.

Why do you despise us so much?

I do not Hate anyone or anything.

Hate is a negative emotion that can last indefinitely.

Negative emotions consume the Soul Body and mind.

I do not like your Heliocentric model because it is a lie and a deception.

I like the truth.

I do not despise you Heliocentrics I pity you .

You have been deceived.

You have been used.

You have been abused.

You do not realise the seriousness and implications of what you are doing.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I like the truth.

You claim that you "like the truth."

If that is true, you will believe all the voluminous evidence that the earth is a rotating Globe, like: 

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 09, 2017, 03:50:03 AM

I like the truth.

You claim that you "like the truth."

If that is true, you will believe all the voluminous evidence that the earth is a rotating Globe, like: 

OK 

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I do not like your (multiple) Flat Earth models, because they are lies and deception.

I like the truth.

I do not despise you Flattards, I pity you .

You have been deceived.

You have been used.

You have been abused.

You do not realise the seriousness and implications of what you are doing.

Your ridiculous flat Earth Religion is False.

Quote from: Lonegranger on August 07, 2017, 01:02:02 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 05:16:50 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 04:31:32 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 03:41:46 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 06, 2017, 02:54:06 PM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 02:38:23 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 06, 2017, 02:32:41 PM

God created the earth, and the age I would guess being not much more than 4,117 years old.

Proof?

The Bible, book of Genesis.  You can lookup to see how they dated Abraham, and then work your way back from there since you are given specific information.

Yeah, no the flying spaguetti monster created the universe, the planets are shaped like meatballs!

No seriously, present scientific proof that the universe is 4,117 years old, a quote from the bible wont convince me.

What scientific proof do you have that this universe you speak of exists and is not simply lights in the sky.

What scientific evidence do you have the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

I would say you don't.

All you have is another man's word and computer generated images.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Well, here's some evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

- Fossils

- Continental drift, tectonic drift is a slow process, the separation of the two landmasses would have taken millions of years, satellite data has shown that the two continents are moving at a rate of roughly 2 cm per year which means that for the continents had to be together at some point in history, as all the evidence shows, the drift must have been going on for at least 200 million years.

- Impact craters, Asteroid strikes that can produce craters on the order of kilometers across are extremely infrequent occurrence, there is one large asteroid inpact every 310,000 years if the earth were young, there would be zero impact craters.

- Erosion, The Grand Canyon, took millions of years to form using the normal rate of erosion seen in water.

Those are just 4 of many other pieces of evidence that prove that the earth is indeed 4.5 billion years old, how about YOU present some scientific evidence for a young earth?

How do you consider another man's word to be evidence ?

How have you verified how old fossils are ?

Answer.

Because someone told you.


How have you verified that the continents have drifted ?

Answer.

Because someone told you.


How do you know asteroid strikes produced craters over 100000 of years.

Answer.

Because someone told you.

How do you know the grand canyon took millions of years to form with water erosion?

Answer.

Because someone told you.

For example :

Fossils could be 3500 years old they could 10 years old how would you be able to verify their age ?

The continents could be stationary how could you verify that they move an alleged 20 mm a year.?

These so called asteroid strikes you speak of could of been the battle scars of the ancients superior weapons.

The Grand canyon could be the result of the ancients mining with there superior machines and technology.

All your doing is repeating what you have been told you have yet to provide any evidence what so ever.

I all comes down to belief .

Do you believe what you have been told or not.

I do not.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Which ancients are these that you're on about? I take it you have proof of their existence. But please, tell me where did they live? How long did their society last for? Where was the capital city and what was its name? What language did they speak?
Please share.

Trust me.

You will not want me to go there.

I will take the readers from The Fallen Angels right up to your brethren building the the large hadron collider at Cern.

 They will then use this abomination to bring these entities back into this dimension and then claim that they are Aliens from " SPACE "

Lol.

Lol.

Do you want some more ?


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

what...

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 08, 2017, 05:14:31 PM

Quote

For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

Thanks.

Quote

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

I am deeply embarrased for not knowing about physiology. 

Quote

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I have never claimed that, i just said that without evolution, biology is based on the wrong premises and modern medicine would not be well understood.

Besides, im too young to believe im an expert on medicine.

Quote

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Its okay.

Quote

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

In 16 years i will be 30 years old.

Quote

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

True, i just gave evidence for an old earth, not an old universe, if i gave you evidence for a old universe, would you accept it?

Quote

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.


These theory's have not been properly verified.

Yes they have, the plate tectonics theory gave us better understanding of the geology of earth, it also gave us better study of earthquakes. evolution gave us a better understanding of the development of the species on earth, along with better understanding of biology, medicine, agriculture,  etc.

Quote

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Mutation is essential for evolution, without mutations, evolution would not be possible.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_01
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/mutations-are-the-raw-materials-of-evolution-17395346
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/12-mutation-not-natural-selection-drives-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Also i think you are talking about Macro-evolution, which is when one species turns into another different species, this is part of evolution.
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Micro-evolution is the gradual change whitin species.

Thus, viruses do evolve.

Quote

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_forms

Quote

This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I am not religious, i do not hold Charles Darwin as the supreme all powerful god.

Theories are the highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory, that would be like saying Donald Trump is just a a president or that Albert Einstein was just a genius, or that Billionaires are just Billionaires.

Evolution is a theory, the cell theory and gravity which are the fundamental principles of biology and physics are theories too.

We, human beings do not hold the absolute truth, what we hold as truth changes over time, thus, changing what we hold as true, that is why nothing we know is really fully confirmed, it might have been different in the past, scientific theories are the things that are the closest things to what we humans consider as true.

Quote

I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

That toe nail would be proof that the dinosaur existed, however, the dinosaur could not have evolved from the toe nail, as to my understanding, toe nails arent alive.

Quote

Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

It is not a religion.

Quote

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This phrase is getting annoying.

You do seem to hold a lot of hate for the heliocentric model of the universe.

We, heliocentrics hold an astronomical model in which the earth, planets and pluto revolve around the sun.

Why do you despise us so much?

I do not Hate anyone or anything.

Hate is a negative emotion that can last indefinitely.

Negative emotions consume the Soul Body and mind.

I do not like your Heliocentric model because it is a lie and a deception.

I like the truth.

I do not despise you Heliocentrics I pity you .

You have been deceived.

You have been used.

You have been abused.

You do not realise the seriousness and implications of what you are doing.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I also do not see why is it such a serious big deal.

We hold an astronomic model that says that the earth is one of the 8 planets and pluto that orbits the sun, while the sun itself is one of the billions of stars that conform the milky way, which is, itself, one of the billions of galaxies in the observable universe.

This astronomical model has been the standart in astronomy for 400 years (correct me if wrong).

Really, what are the serious implications of this?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 09, 2017, 03:50:03 AM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 08, 2017, 05:14:31 PM

Quote

For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

Thanks.

Quote

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

I am deeply embarrased for not knowing about physiology. 

Quote

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I have never claimed that, i just said that without evolution, biology is based on the wrong premises and modern medicine would not be well understood.

Besides, im too young to believe im an expert on medicine.

Quote

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Its okay.

Quote

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

In 16 years i will be 30 years old.

Quote

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

True, i just gave evidence for an old earth, not an old universe, if i gave you evidence for a old universe, would you accept it?

Quote

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.


These theory's have not been properly verified.

Yes they have, the plate tectonics theory gave us better understanding of the geology of earth, it also gave us better study of earthquakes. evolution gave us a better understanding of the development of the species on earth, along with better understanding of biology, medicine, agriculture,  etc.

Quote

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Mutation is essential for evolution, without mutations, evolution would not be possible.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_01
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/mutations-are-the-raw-materials-of-evolution-17395346
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/12-mutation-not-natural-selection-drives-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Also i think you are talking about Macro-evolution, which is when one species turns into another different species, this is part of evolution.
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Micro-evolution is the gradual change whitin species.

Thus, viruses do evolve.

Quote

The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_forms

Quote

This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I am not religious, i do not hold Charles Darwin as the supreme all powerful god.

Theories are the highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory, that would be like saying Donald Trump is just a a president or that Albert Einstein was just a genius, or that Billionaires are just Billionaires.

Evolution is a theory, the cell theory and gravity which are the fundamental principles of biology and physics are theories too.

We, human beings do not hold the absolute truth, what we hold as truth changes over time, thus, changing what we hold as true, that is why nothing we know is really fully confirmed, it might have been different in the past, scientific theories are the things that are the closest things to what we humans consider as true.

Quote

I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

That toe nail would be proof that the dinosaur existed, however, the dinosaur could not have evolved from the toe nail, as to my understanding, toe nails arent alive.

Quote

Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

It is not a religion.

Quote

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This phrase is getting annoying.

You do seem to hold a lot of hate for the heliocentric model of the universe.

We, heliocentrics hold an astronomical model in which the earth, planets and pluto revolve around the sun.

Why do you despise us so much?

I do not Hate anyone or anything.

Hate is a negative emotion that can last indefinitely.

Negative emotions consume the Soul Body and mind.

I do not like your Heliocentric model because it is a lie and a deception.

I like the truth.

I do not despise you Heliocentrics I pity you .

You have been deceived.

You have been used.

You have been abused.

You do not realise the seriousness and implications of what you are doing.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I also do not see why is it such a serious big deal.

We hold an astronomic model that says that the earth is one of the 8 planets and pluto that orbits the sun, while the sun itself is one of the billions of stars that conform the milky way, which is, itself, one of the billions of galaxies in the observable universe.

This astronomical model has been the standart in astronomy for 400 years (correct me if wrong).

Really, what are the serious implications of this?

You are too young to understand this is highlighted by the fact you have had to ask.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 09, 2017, 11:44:19 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 09, 2017, 03:50:03 AM

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 08, 2017, 05:14:31 PM

Quote

For a Heliocentric you are alright you are able to admit when you have made a mistake.

Thanks.

Quote

However :

You believe philosophy is a science.

You have never heard of physiology?

I am deeply embarrased for not knowing about physiology. 

Quote

And yet ; you claim to be an expert on medicine ?

I have never claimed that, i just said that without evolution, biology is based on the wrong premises and modern medicine would not be well understood.

Besides, im too young to believe im an expert on medicine.

Quote

I'm sorry if I offend but that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

Its okay.

Quote

In ten years time when your in your thirties and more educated I might be able to take you seriously.

In 16 years i will be 30 years old.

Quote

You have not provided any evidence for your 10 billion year old Universe.

True, i just gave evidence for an old earth, not an old universe, if i gave you evidence for a old universe, would you accept it?

Quote

You have provided hypothesis and theorys.


These theory's have not been properly verified.

Yes they have, the plate tectonics theory gave us better understanding of the geology of earth, it also gave us better study of earthquakes. evolution gave us a better understanding of the development of the species on earth, along with better understanding of biology, medicine, agriculture,  etc.

Quote

Like most Heliocentric's you just accept these theorys with no amount of critical thinking because they fit your model.

Like most Heliocentric's you have Evolution and Mutation confused.

Mutation is essential for evolution, without mutations, evolution would not be possible.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_01
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/mutations-are-the-raw-materials-of-evolution-17395346
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/12-mutation-not-natural-selection-drives-evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Also i think you are talking about Macro-evolution, which is when one species turns into another different species, this is part of evolution.
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Micro-evolution is the gradual change whitin species.

Thus, viruses do evolve.

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The Darwin religion of evolution relies on the fact that there has to be many different stages of development.

On your Heliocentric model billions of years ago the only living organism was a photosynthesising piece of bacteria.

So we should be able to trace and verify the stages from this bacteria to sea organisms ect. to mammals to apes to human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_forms

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This can't be done.

So your Darwin religion has never been verified.

So your Darwin religion is just a theory.

I am not religious, i do not hold Charles Darwin as the supreme all powerful god.

Theories are the highest level of scientific achievement and nothing is just a theory, that would be like saying Donald Trump is just a a president or that Albert Einstein was just a genius, or that Billionaires are just Billionaires.

Evolution is a theory, the cell theory and gravity which are the fundamental principles of biology and physics are theories too.

We, human beings do not hold the absolute truth, what we hold as truth changes over time, thus, changing what we hold as true, that is why nothing we know is really fully confirmed, it might have been different in the past, scientific theories are the things that are the closest things to what we humans consider as true.

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I find it amusing when your Heliocentric brethren will for example find what they claim is a Dinosaurs toe nail then build and name a complete Dinosaur from the said toe nail.

That toe nail would be proof that the dinosaur existed, however, the dinosaur could not have evolved from the toe nail, as to my understanding, toe nails arent alive.

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Your Religion has never been verified
this is because this perfectly balenced Earth we reside on was intelligently created.

It is not a religion.

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Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This phrase is getting annoying.

You do seem to hold a lot of hate for the heliocentric model of the universe.

We, heliocentrics hold an astronomical model in which the earth, planets and pluto revolve around the sun.

Why do you despise us so much?

I do not Hate anyone or anything.

Hate is a negative emotion that can last indefinitely.

Negative emotions consume the Soul Body and mind.

I do not like your Heliocentric model because it is a lie and a deception.

I like the truth.

I do not despise you Heliocentrics I pity you .

You have been deceived.

You have been used.

You have been abused.

You do not realise the seriousness and implications of what you are doing.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I also do not see why is it such a serious big deal.

We hold an astronomic model that says that the earth is one of the 8 planets and pluto that orbits the sun, while the sun itself is one of the billions of stars that conform the milky way, which is, itself, one of the billions of galaxies in the observable universe.

This astronomical model has been the standart in astronomy for 400 years (correct me if wrong).

Really, what are the serious implications of this?

You are too young to understand this is highlighted by the fact you have had to ask.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Still waiting for the answer.

Does anyone have an idea when that Flat-tard is going to spill the beans about the ancients, he was on about.
I for one am on hooks that are so tender!

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 05:11:00 PM

Well, here's some evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

- Fossils

- Continental drift, tectonic drift is a slow process, the separation of the two landmasses would have taken millions of years, satellite data has shown that the two continents are moving at a rate of roughly 2 cm per year which means that for the continents had to be together at some point in history, as all the evidence shows, the drift must have been going on for at least 200 million years.

- Impact craters, Asteroid strikes that can produce craters on the order of kilometers across are extremely infrequent occurrence, there is one large asteroid inpact every 310,000 years if the earth were young, there would be zero impact craters.

- Erosion, The Grand Canyon, took millions of years to form using the normal rate of erosion seen in water.

Those are just 4 of many other pieces of evidence that prove that the earth is indeed 4.5 billion years old, how about YOU present some scientific evidence for a young earth?

Damn evolutionists are blind sheep repeating whatever the text books told them.

Fossils: Not scientific proof as it's based on assumptions and categorically inaccurate.

Continental drift Again, based on assumptions that it takes "millions of years" - based on what?

Impact craters These fairy tale answers seem to have a pattern. Again, based on what scientific observation or experiment?

Erosion Here you screwed up pretty bad. Check the rate of erosion of the grand canyon itself. Say, 20 years, then multiply that by millions/billions of years. This "evolution" proof is laughable.

So these are your 4 evidences? So basically you've given nothing and you're asking for proof of a young Earth? By the way there is proof, actual testable,repeatable, observable and mathematically correct evidence of a young Earth. But I know how devoted to your god Darwin you all are so I'll just enjoy your funny pseudoscience and point out every little inaccuracy of your blind text book beliefs.

Interesting questions.  You answers are just wrong.  The explanations for each usually take a four year degree so people telling you simple explanations I doubt you'd accept.

However, I don't have an issue reconciling Genesis with science.  The following link is an article written by Dr. Gerald Schroeder.  He is a Ph.D in physics, is Jewish, and formally trained in theology.  If nothing else it's an interesting read.

http://geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/?page_id=53 

Mike

Well, with all the arguing that i have been doing in this thread (the first real debate of my life lmao) i think i have found my answer, the only answer i got (minus tessa yuri) is a supreme being creating it or something, im satisfied with the answers i got.

Since  Mr Resistance.Is.Futile wont accept any evidence, i think all my attempts will be futile. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think im finished with this thread, i will still be answering if i want to though.

Well, with all the arguing that i have been doing in this thread (the first real debate of my life lmao) i think i have found my answer, the only answer i got (minus tessa yuri) is a supreme being creating it or something, im satisfied with the answers i got.

Since  Mr Resistance.Is.Futile wont accept any evidence, i think all my attempts will be futile. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think im finished with this thread, i will still be answering if i want to though.

No Incorrect.

The Supreme being did NOT create the Earth.

GOD created the Earth.

That is GOD all mighty

That is GOD the Most high.

No being could possibly have enough power to create the Earth and the heavens.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 10, 2017, 04:26:23 PM

Well, with all the arguing that i have been doing in this thread (the first real debate of my life lmao) i think i have found my answer, the only answer i got (minus tessa yuri) is a supreme being creating it or something, im satisfied with the answers i got.

Since  Mr Resistance.Is.Futile wont accept any evidence, i think all my attempts will be futile. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think im finished with this thread, i will still be answering if i want to though.

No Incorrect.

The Supreme being did NOT create the Earth.

GOD created the Earth.

That is GOD all mighty

That is GOD the Most high.

No being could possibly have enough power to create the Earth and the heavens.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Isn't God the supreme being i was talking about?