My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

Yeah I'm going to go with social experiment as well.  There're too many inconsistencies in her story.
They can see the moon rotating, can see that the dips below the horizon but somehow thinks this is proof of flat earth.
And whole, afraid to go outside thing.
Sorry, I call shenanigans!

Yeah I'm going to go with social experiment as well.  There're too many inconsistencies in her story.
They can see the moon rotating, can see that the dips below the horizon but somehow thinks this is proof of flat earth.
And whole, afraid to go outside thing.
Sorry, I call shenanigans!

That was so pathetically out of proportion and actually far beyond anything one would knew there must be something else up with that poster.

Yeah I'm going to go with social experiment as well.  There're too many inconsistencies in her story.
They can see the moon rotating, can see that the dips below the horizon but somehow thinks this is proof of flat earth.
And whole, afraid to go outside thing.
Sorry, I call shenanigans!

Yeah, I would have expected better from a 40+ PhD candidate.

That "airplane landing without an anchor" thing reminded me of another person who kept pestering about a similar scenario.

A person who suddenly quit posting after averaging 5 posts a day.

Why are your senses more reliable than my senses?

Why are your senses more reliable than my senses?

I rely on more than my senses.

With your logic, Man would never explore, since you seem to be convinced that your senses tell you all you need to know..


Exploration, Science, Discovery, and yes, even our journey to the Moon, is all based on the knowledge that there's more out there than can be "sensed" by any single Human.

These things are ladders, each ascending to another rung of the unknown.

You can stay in your little corner, but don't expect humanity to wait for you.

Im new here, so I don't think you've fully gathered my stance on the topic yet...

"With your logic, Man would never explore, since you seem to be convinced that your senses tell you all you need to know.." and then you end by insulting me?

How about you... Simma' Down Na' and Slow your roll, Bra' ... with my logic? I'm on a thread that says "my senses are my proof that the world is flat"

Everyone on this stupid website are saying that their senses are all they need to say the earth is flat, whereas my senses tell me that the earth is a ball... I've been south of the equator, my senses told me there is a whole-nother world down there... which means hemispheres. I've looked at the sky with Night Vision, there is much more to be seen...

In closing, Little man... "Your mom is flat" still gives me a chuckle every time i see it...

I apologise if I mistakenly interpreted your comment as the typical " the earth looks flat to me, so it must be flat" logic.

I, too, have seen enough with my own eyes to convince me that the Earth is undoubtedly spherical.

The OP in this thread I believe is playing some weak social experiment game.

As someone who has seen the Magellanic Clouds... they don't travel around the sky as if the world is flat... and my toilet did flush backwards... i checked...

Oh, you can't see the north star from the south....

Flat earth seems to be a very northern hemisphere type theory...

MY Senses Told me the earth is not flat like you say it is....

My senses may not be sufficient to tell me that the earth is a spheroid, but watching a sunset is enough to convince me that it isn't a plane.

Ask any random person with a globe in your hand where the nearest star is when you would use this scaled down reality.
The nearest star Alpha Centauri is located at 1.000.000 km away using a globe with a diameter of 30cm.
Andromeda the nearest galaxi is at 650.000.000.000 km from the tiny 30cm globe.

No ORDINARY person can grasp the cosmological reality created by the church of scientism.
If you say you do, you are simply lying to yourself.
Not a single indication what we are dealing with when looking at the stars.
Everything on earth, in the air, at sea gives us a rough estimation what we are dealing with distance wise.
Only when it comes to the cosmos, our senses are off by an idiotic margin.
No matter how many times we have wittinessed the sun, moon and the stars.
We cannot phantom the supposed cosmological distances  compared to long rides/ flights we made on earth.

No, that sun doesn't look like it is 150.000.000 km away, no matter how many years you walked the earth or how many rationalisations you have made.
It still looks like it's much, much closer than 150.000.000km.
So why does our brain not correct this misconception ?
We know the earth is a globe and millions km away for more than 2000 years.
When does our collective brain estimates the distance properly in relation to the 'well known facts"

Even modern children when asked how far the sun is , fail to remotely come up with the right answer.

We know the sun is millions of km away for very long
We teach our children that the sun is millions of km away
We repeat it as much as we can
We still do not click with this cosmic reality when we observe the stars, moon and the sun.
Strange, because 'evolution' should have corrected our brain by now.
The input is there, the timespan, education,..... but nothing has changed over the last 2000 years.

The cosmos seems way, way closer than the hardcore numbers suggest.
Maybe because we are hardwired in the proper way by our creator ??

'How would you go about measuring the distance between the Earth and the Moon with your senses?

'How would you go about measuring the distance between the Earth and the Moon with your senses?

Not important to measure the exact distance to the moon.
The sun, moon and stars are clearly part of earth's realm, contrary to the supposed distances that hardly anyone can phantom.

If we know for a fact that the sun and stars are million upon billion upon trillion upon quadrillion miles away for very long than it is logical that our senses would adjust to that reality knowing we received the proper input for very long.( correct cosmoligical math)
The opposite is a given.
The sun, stars and the moon are still part of earth's realm for any observer and look a hell of a lot closer than the numbers indicate.
And when you zoom in on the moon ( extremely close compared to all other celestial bodies) it becomes even more absurd.
So much detail at 380.000 km away ??

In what year do you expect evolution to correct our extremely erroneous ratio between observation and hardcore distances ?
If we want to explore the stars it would be vital to at least have some clue about what we are seeing without needing a proper overhaul with numbers and jargon to properly explain what we dealing with contrary to our limited and false observations.

Without a mathematical cosmic overhaul to correct the observer's findings we cannot remotely place what we see in the nightsky.
Our senses are getting in the way of the 'cosmic reality' that differs so much from what  we see with our human eyes only.

What is the problem with getting more detail with a tele lens?

When you zoom in, you zoom in.
You pull the subject closer to your lens.
The more you zoom in, the more detail you will see far away.
That is the entire point of a telelens.

Case and Point:

1200mm



5200mm

Unfortunately, I do not have the time, as I did the other day to quote all comments. I will answer what I see relevant, which is NOT much. Telling me that I formed a belief system based on my young age and imagination certainly can be true because that is what most children do. Unfortunately, everything is not THAT black and white. Just because most children do, does not mean a small percentage of us have belief systems that are not based on something else. If you are open-minded enough to believe that we live on a magical spinning ball; then, you should be open to other options. Take a course in epistemology! Unfortunately you seem to need to put your thinking caps on. There are a few who thought I was insane and turned and accepted my point of view in the past few years. Therefore; I accomplished what I was sent here for. OK, laugh now. You don't know me; what my journey is about, yet you choose to insult me. You should be more concerned with navigating you own journey, not mine or any other.

Think seriously here, please. I had not read the bible; nor, had I attended school before the age of 3. I did not have a need to ask why the sky is blue because there was no need for ME. I am 51, so you can stop guessing my age. Why do we not cross boundaries/borders? We are told not to.?! Why is a wedding band a symbol of 2 people's love for each other and marriage? We are told to believe a piece of metal is a symbol. Why do we recognize a piece of a tree as having the value of $10 and so forth? We are told to. We are told this system works. What is reality? What is hyper-reality? We are puppets (well, I choose not to be). That makes me open-minded so please stop calling me narrow-minded. Narrow minded people believe what they are told to believe.

Why was Disneyland created? Disney World? So that we can believe that Disney is the ultimate illusion and that we are living reality. No; my friends, we are living in a matrix of lies and you fall for it. Why do many people capitalize World Wide Web when you do not capitalize God, unless you are a Jew? Why is Google capitalized. It is simply google and the world wide web. How brainwashing!!! These are the things we should capitalize? Why do we not capitalize the word me? Are we not important? I guess the WWW is more important! Brainwashing, and most do not see it.

If you never know how you have been brainwashed, you will call some of us nuts! I am simply NOT brainwashed and I have a very open mind. Just because I do not share your viewpoints does not make me an idiot. Stop saying that I had my imagination and viewpoints as a child and it followed me throughout school and that is why I did not believe what I was taught. Get this...I do NOT have to believe what I was taught in this matrix of lies. I was taught by a higher power, so insult me, think I am crazy as you do to those who believe the same as I do. I am NOT the only one. Shoot me, hang me on a cross, do what you need to do. My only hope is that you WAKE UP.

Is it so wrong to have my own mind?

For those of you in awe that I was afraid I was going to fall off of a ball spinning in space, shame on you! You cannot break away from your belief system long enough to understand another. You do not deserve to be called open minded, intelligent, researchers/practitioners. You do not try to understand. Inquisitive you are NOT. You have one mind frame that comes from the words of others. I do not and I am not afraid to say so. This is a struggle for you and you tell me I am wrong, crazy and so forth. Shame on you. The voices of WASPS continue to speak from their graves and you listen? Who is brainwashed? Who is narrow-minded? Not me. I have my own mind and I am happy when others share my viewpoint. I was lucky enough to have an awakening last year as a few other people I know had one at the same age. I felt comforted. It was not my intention to argue with you. It was my intent to tell you something I KNOW. I don't expect you to believe me, but at least common courtesy would have been nice. I thought I signed up here for like minded people. Deliberation is just that and is typically intelligent...not name calling.

You are absolutely oblivious that opposing viewpoints are necessary to learn. Instead, your fear that there may be another truth and that forces you to retaliate and speak down to me and others. If that's what makes you happy...have a ball.

Wars are egged on by the elite. It is not for the purpose of money as people state. Money is not necessary or real. Power and slavery are. This results in population control, but many do not see this. We are running out of resources and 7 billion people on Earth are a threat to the elite and their kin. DUH in layman's terms. How does one go about claiming resources for their own kind? They hide things from you. They have been doing a great job until people discovered their lies. We live in a perfect little system where most people work for someone else and pay high bills and lead productive lives!!! Right? How is it productive to be a puppet, working for others with barely and benefits? I know...you are so busy worrying about paying those bills, having the biggest house, the fastest cars and the bigger burger that you do not know who YOU really are or what you love in.

One of the oldest books in history, written by people, not by God has been burned and re-written dozens of times. Yet, pictures of a moon landing seem to be a more believing source of information. I am not a bible thumper nor will I capitalize the word bible. The elite have changed everything known as truth throughout the centuries to put you where you are now. In absolute oblivion as THEIR puppets. How does it feel to be brainwashed puppets?

You don't have the time to quote everyone, but you had the time to type all that up?

Holy Jebus...

But... while I do not also have the time to quote you, I will paraphrase a portion of your passage....

"For a long time people have known one thing... Up until Very Recently People said a different thing..."

SO... I believe what you are saying is that people that knew one thing for a longer period of time were right

Such as, if you leave meat out long enough, flies appear from within...
Sickness is caused by bad spirits
It is impossible to fly
Heaven is just above the clouds, and God destroyed a town because they thought they could build a tower to heaven... This one may have been true...
There is gold at the end of a rainbow
Sacrificing humans will bring rain
What Goes around...comes around
Taking pictures of someone steals their soul
Zeus is real
Black Cats suck the breath of little babies, and then eat their eyelids off after they die
slavery is A'Okay
Santa Claus is real
The Neighbors wife thinks I'm hot
I can't see bacteria or viruses... they are not real

I would be careful to state as fact (as I think you did in your first post) that just because something doesn't make sense or the workings are not directly obvious, Make it Untrue, That is not having an opened mind. That is saying, I BELIEVE "A" TO BE TRUE AND I WILL NOT CONSIDER "B"

I have no idea how the transistors and capacitors in a cell phone work or how they are able to get everything soooooo small... But, I do know I don't need a DVD collection of a certain material anymore... Also, I can learn how a cellphone works and transmits data, and there is a strong chance that a satellite would be involved somewhere.

The reason the "World Wide Web" is capitalized is because it is a proper noun... the same reason that God is capitalized when referring to him. I don't know who doesn't capitalize God, unless they are referring to "The gods" which would not be... you capitalize Google because it is the name of something unless you are telling someone to google something, which has now become a verb. People, Places, Things.... You capitalize, and anyone who doesn't has been brainwashed to think shitty English is fine English.

me is not a proper noun... nor is you... but your name is a proper noun... I am referring specifically to you... me is not capitalized but I is...

COME ON GUYS, ARE WE JUST LEARNING THIS?? ON A FLAT EARTH BOARD I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE RULES OF ENGLISH? COME ON!!!!!

JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT.... JUST BECAUSE YOU DO OR DO NOT CAPITALIZE SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT MORE OR LESS IMPORTANT...

For instance... My baby, is more important to me than you... Both would be lower case... My baby Patrick, is more important to me than Ms. Philosopher....

Oh, and you capitalize the first word of every sentence too... Just an FYI... Obviously you know the rules of writing, your writing is very well done.

Also... it is not wrong to have your own mind, and nobody will fault you for it... but pushing your beliefs on other people, even though they are wrong... such as only capitalizing words because they are more important to you... is something that will make people react. I "believe" many things that are "wrong" or incorrect, but I try to "evolve" my thinking in an effort to better myself. When I want to lose weight, I don't stick to my guns and say... My mother Brenda always told me to eat every bite, so eating must not be the reason I am so fat... So bring on the pizza!

Instead, I stopped having a mouth party every time I ate. 

In closing to both of our nonsensical ramblings... as you said and I quote...  "I am simply NOT brainwashed and I have a very open mind."

Are you open to consider that there are things you cannot see that may not be real?

Nevermind the fact that the Earth has been proven, without a doubt, as a rotating oblate spheroid.

You cannot simply label every single satellite photo as "fake", or "CGI".

You are batshit crazy, or a college student about to get a D+ on your social experiment.

Hand Sanitizer is a LIE!!!

Quote from: Denspressure on August 02, 2017, 02:06:28 AM

'How would you go about measuring the distance between the Earth and the Moon with your senses?

Not important to measure the exact distance to the moon.
The sun, moon and stars are clearly part of earth's realm, contrary to the supposed distances that hardly anyone can phantom.

If we know for a fact that the sun and stars are million upon billion upon trillion upon quadrillion miles away for very long than it is logical that our senses would adjust to that reality knowing we received the proper input for very long.( correct cosmoligical math)
The opposite is a given.
The sun, stars and the moon are still part of earth's realm for any observer and look a hell of a lot closer than the numbers indicate.
And when you zoom in on the moon ( extremely close compared to all other celestial bodies) it becomes even more absurd.
So much detail at 380.000 km away ??

In what year do you expect evolution to correct our extremely erroneous ratio between observation and hardcore distances ?
If we want to explore the stars it would be vital to at least have some clue about what we are seeing without needing a proper overhaul with numbers and jargon to properly explain what we dealing with contrary to our limited and false observations.

Without a mathematical cosmic overhaul to correct the observer's findings we cannot remotely place what we see in the nightsky.
Our senses are getting in the way of the 'cosmic reality' that differs so much from what  we see with our human eyes only.

Dunno why you would claim the Sun and Moon are looking way closer than they actually are postulated in SHM, they don't change the apparent size even if both diameter and distance are multiplied or divided by tenths or even hundreds. Without a sufficient sensation of a parallax effect the human eye can't possibly resolve the real distance of rather featureless and quite uniform objects like the spheres that are both Sun and Moon, I'd estimate it would require distances about like miles max. with proper reference points like landscapes, not even talking about that those objects must not move at all then.
And how would you expect evolution to step in for once and correct something that obviously can't be corrected anyway when biological features and their obvious limitations are concerned?

Quote from: Denspressure on August 02, 2017, 02:06:28 AM

'How would you go about measuring the distance between the Earth and the Moon with your senses?

Not important to measure the exact distance to the moon.
The sun, moon and stars are clearly part of earth's realm, contrary to the supposed distances that hardly anyone can phantom.

If we know for a fact that the sun and stars are million upon billion upon trillion upon quadrillion miles away for very long than it is logical that our senses would adjust to that reality knowing we received the proper input for very long.( correct cosmoligical math)
The opposite is a given.
The sun, stars and the moon are still part of earth's realm for any observer and look a hell of a lot closer than the numbers indicate.
And when you zoom in on the moon ( extremely close compared to all other celestial bodies) it becomes even more absurd.
So much detail at 380.000 km away ??

In what year do you expect evolution to correct our extremely erroneous ratio between observation and hardcore distances ?
If we want to explore the stars it would be vital to at least have some clue about what we are seeing without needing a proper overhaul with numbers and jargon to properly explain what we dealing with contrary to our limited and false observations.

Without a mathematical cosmic overhaul to correct the observer's findings we cannot remotely place what we see in the nightsky.
Our senses are getting in the way of the 'cosmic reality' that differs so much from what  we see with our human eyes only.

I think you should stick to banging rocks together, or whatever you do to make your music.   Objective reality is not your cup of tea. 

On the other hand,  it's possible you don't believe in objective reality in which case you can join MsPhilosopher in the garden after dinner for light refreshments.   I hear she likes swings.

Dutchy... your logic is weaker than your Kung Foo Grasshopper...


I mean, like, if you really really really really zoom in on something you can see more detail? I wonder... if I zoom in on it even more if I'll see... even more detail...



Like... if I had a Nikon camera.... and I was looking at a bird... And I added a 2x zoom lens onto my 32x zoom... I wonder if I would see more detail... I wonder if I could make out the birds eye from REALLY FAR AWAY... I wonder, if the bird held still enough for me... and I put another 2x zoom ontop of my already 64x zoom if I might see the birds nostril on its beak.... LIKE WOW

Quote from: dutchy on August 02, 2017, 02:32:19 AM

Quote from: Denspressure on August 02, 2017, 02:06:28 AM

'How would you go about measuring the distance between the Earth and the Moon with your senses?

Not important to measure the exact distance to the moon.
The sun, moon and stars are clearly part of earth's realm, contrary to the supposed distances that hardly anyone can phantom.

If we know for a fact that the sun and stars are million upon billion upon trillion upon quadrillion miles away for very long than it is logical that our senses would adjust to that reality knowing we received the proper input for very long.( correct cosmoligical math)
The opposite is a given.
The sun, stars and the moon are still part of earth's realm for any observer and look a hell of a lot closer than the numbers indicate.
And when you zoom in on the moon ( extremely close compared to all other celestial bodies) it becomes even more absurd.
So much detail at 380.000 km away ??

In what year do you expect evolution to correct our extremely erroneous ratio between observation and hardcore distances ?
If we want to explore the stars it would be vital to at least have some clue about what we are seeing without needing a proper overhaul with numbers and jargon to properly explain what we dealing with contrary to our limited and false observations.

Without a mathematical cosmic overhaul to correct the observer's findings we cannot remotely place what we see in the nightsky.
Our senses are getting in the way of the 'cosmic reality' that differs so much from what  we see with our human eyes only.

I think you should stick to banging rocks together, or whatever you do to make your music.   Objective reality is not your cup of tea. 

On the other hand,  it's possible you don't believe in objective reality in which case you can join MsPhilosopher in the garden after dinner for light refreshments.   I hear she likes swings.

Hopefully Brenda is cooking.

Dutchy... your logic is weaker than your Kung Foo Grasshopper...


I mean, like, if you really really really really zoom in on something you can see more detail? I wonder... if I zoom in on it even more if I'll see... even more detail...



Like... if I had a Nikon camera.... and I was looking at a bird... And I added a 2x zoom lens onto my 32x zoom... I wonder if I would see more detail... I wonder if I could make out the birds eye from REALLY FAR AWAY... I wonder, if the bird held still enough for me... and I put another 2x zoom ontop of my already 64x zoom if I might see the birds nostril on its beak.... LIKE WOW

Hahahaha....the usual globular redicule 

This is the world record for long distance photography zooming in on 430 km away with a zoom integrated 1200 mm – f./2.8


This is the moon  380.000 km away, that is roughly 884 times further away with a Nikon coolpix P900


The earth's atmosphere is more interfering in the example of the first mountain photograph, but the moon photograph has also a serious amount of atmosphere in between.

My point was you could never imagine the moon was 884 times further away when looking at the results of photography from earth.

My point was you could never imagine the moon was 884 times further away when looking at the results of photography from earth.

What a great point you made there! Fantastic!

Yep... the earth is flat...

You convinced me

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.

You're either a troll or mentally ill.


Edit: Just read their latest comment. The classic "we are told so"/"the elites"/"wake up" conspiracy.
To MsPhilosopher: You are not special or a rebel for believing in this. You're just another dime-a-dozen edgy person. Your holy war between elites and sheep is not real.

I don't want to label anyone here, but... I would say this is the ultimate example of a confirmation bias echo chamber

To MsPhilosopher: You are not special or a rebel for believing in this. You're just another dime-a-dozen edgy person. Your holy war between elites and sheep is not real.

Considering her low 'point of view', I'd probably already count as elite.
So from her perspective the war might be real

I've been on a boat and seen the Magellanic Clouds...

I'm a shill

Quote from: RocketSauce on August 02, 2017, 09:36:22 AM

Dutchy... your logic is weaker than your Kung Foo Grasshopper...

I mean, like, if you really really really really zoom in on something you can see more detail? I wonder... if I zoom in on it even more if I'll see... even more detail...

Like... if I had a Nikon camera.... and I was looking at a bird... And I added a 2x zoom lens onto my 32x zoom... I wonder if I would see more detail... I wonder if I could make out the birds eye from REALLY FAR AWAY... I wonder, if the bird held still enough for me... and I put another 2x zoom ontop of my already 64x zoom if I might see the birds nostril on its beak.... LIKE WOW

Hahahaha....the usual globular redicule 

This is the world record for long distance photography zooming in on 430 km away with a zoom integrated 1200 mm – f./2.8

And why is that picture so special? Yes, it's a world record for a photograph over the earth, implying something exceptional about it.
So, you Mr Dutchy, being the honest investigator that you are carefully looked into it to find out why it is exceptional.

The source of that photograph is very easy to track down and is That states

Current world record of distance landscape photography
The silhouette of Barre des Ecrins (4102 m) in the middle left of the image, from Pic de Finestrelles (2820 m)  at 440 Km, before the sunrise.  In other pictures, more left other summits a little more far away.

So claiming it as a record does imply something that is not usually seen.
Being the careful investigator that you are of course, you looked into exactly what these unusual conditions were.

According to Google Earth the highest part of Pic Gaspard has an elevation of 3826 m at Lat 44.997919°, Long 6.330865°.
The photo is taken from Pic de Finestrelles, which has an elevation of  2826 m and is at  Lat 42.414645°, Long 2.133794° .
The midpoint has an elevation of about 14 m so we need to subtract that from the viewing height.

The Metabunk curve calculator would indicate that about 5089 m should be hidden, yet we can see a little of Pic Gaspard. So something is happening!
For a start, a great deal is hidden, but not as much as expected under ideal conditions.

But normal refraction, like it or not Mr Dutchy, does appear to raise distant objects, like the sun when rising.
Maybe the website that presents that record photo has a clue.

We are sure that other records will come soon. From the Pyrenees the options are almost finished but any attempt to increase the distance is still possible if atmospheric conditions are especially favorable refractive exceptional transparency. We’re on that. By the other hand, also, maybe next arises from another continent, from another mountain range of our planet. We think it’s really probably.

From: Beyond Horizons, Pic de Finestrelles – Pic Gaspard (Ecrins) | 443 km.

But, of course, you would claim that those people are also part of this evil conspiracy!

Yes, this and other uncommonly seen distances are quite possibly rare cases of extreme refraction otherwise why would they be rare?

This is the moon  380.000 km away, that is roughly 884 times further away with a Nikon coolpix P900


The earth's atmosphere is more interfering in the example of the first mountain photograph, but the moon photograph has also a serious amount of atmosphere in between.

No not quite! In the 443 km photo there is 443 km of air (now how did I work that out?) ,
but if the moon is directly overhead, the effective thickness of the atmosphere is only about 9 km!
See The pressure scale height of an atmosphere.
In other words, above us, the atmosphere gets very thin and transparent very quickly.

My point was you could never imagine the moon was 884 times further away when looking at the results of photography from earth.

Quite true! Looking at any stationary object more than even 100 m away there is no way to even estimate the distance unless there are other objects nearby for reference.
There are numerous optical illusions like this.

BUT! The moon, for example, is not stationary. It appears to move across the sky and so the distance from the observer to the moon changes.
The amount of change depends on you "earth model".
On the globe, the change in distance can be up to 6370 km and
on the flat earth could be around double that.  -  you can work that out for whatever you think the moon does.

Now the apparent size of the moon does not change more that 1 or 2% over the course of a night. I have plenty of photos showing that!
So we could estimate that the moon has to be at least 50 x 6370 km away - you can do the sums.