My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2017, 09:11:50 PM »
535 humans have left our planet and returned.

Not a single one of them believes the Earth is flat.


Like I said... Your senses tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat, NOT the Earth.

There is a huge difference.

Except for some people who say they work for NASA and NASA is hiding something as if we didn't already know. Further, if these pictures are REAL???, then why does NASA need artists to draw Earth? Makes no sense. How cab globalists deny everything we say? I see the same picture being used of Earth which was actually created by a NASA employee. All they ever do to change the picture is move the cloud formations and they have made blatant mistakes in doing so.

It is nonsensical to believe that engineers are not proof for flat Earth. If when they are designing bridges, and they do not account for curvature, then bottom line is because there is no curvature. This is not rocket science. The bridges do not look like arcs; therefore, no curvature. You can't debunk everything. Since we don't believe pictures that NASA insists are real (they are only pictures after all) then we talk with people who would know. Engineers and pilots are two reliable sources. Pilots are not at liberty to be honest so they say nothing. I would rather globalists use reliable sources; not pictures from NASA that could have been taken at area 51.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2017, 09:29:46 PM »
For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Are you for fucking real?

Excuse me sir. Am I effing real? Yes indeed I am. I guess it is more realistic to believe we live on a magical spinning ball in space where we do not magically fall off due to gravity which pulls toward the center of a ball? Are you effing real?

Why is it so hard to believe Earth is flat? It doesn't matter that the other so called planets are round. That is not proof as others seem to think. They say the moon doesn't have gravity but we do so we can be flat and "planets" can be round. There is absolutely no balance with this argument ever. Your pictures are real and our pictures are fake. Why do most kids ask why the sky is blue? I don't hear them asking why a tree is brown or why water is blue. Just the sky. Why; because the truth of flat Earth is innate. There must be an oddity about the sky looking blue, right? If we are not surrounded by water, then there is nothing else I can believe.

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2017, 09:30:30 PM »
535 humans have left our planet and returned.

Not a single one of them believes the Earth is flat.


Like I said... Your senses tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat, NOT the Earth.

There is a huge difference.

Except for some people who say they work for NASA and NASA is hiding something as if we didn't already know.
Not all of those people work for NASA.  Some work for competing space agencies.


Further, if these pictures are REAL???, then why does NASA need artists to draw Earth? Makes no sense.
To which pictures and which drawings are you referring?  Some of the pictures are photographs taken from far away from earth while some of the "drawings" are composites of many pictures taken much closer to earth.

How cab globalists deny everything we say?
Well, not everything, but most of what you FE'ers say is wrong.

I see the same picture being used of Earth which was actually created by a NASA employee. All they ever do to change the picture is move the cloud formations and they have made blatant mistakes in doing so.
Are you sure that it's the same picture?  Are you sure that you aren't seeing pictures from weather satellites that are tracking global weather patterns?


It is nonsensical to believe that engineers are not proof for flat Earth.
Not if you understand how engineers do their jobs.

If when they are designing bridges, and they do not account for curvature, then bottom line is because there is no curvature. This is not rocket science. The bridges do not look like arcs; therefore, no curvature.
Actually, most bridges do have arc (arches), but not because of the curvature of the earth.  It's because arches are very good at distributing loads.

You can't debunk everything.
We don't have to debunk everything.  Only the stuff that you get wrong.

Since we don't believe pictures that NASA insists are real (they are only pictures after all) then we talk with people who would know. Engineers and pilots are two reliable sources. Pilots are not at liberty to be honest so they say nothing. I would rather globalists use reliable sources; not pictures from NASA that could have been taken at area 51.
How about any of the countless scientists involved in the various earth sciences?  Most of those sciences wouldn't work if the shape of the earth was wrong.
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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2017, 09:32:35 PM »
Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.

Why would you fall off the side of the earth....???

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2017, 09:39:20 PM »
How sad that you've restricted your reality to only that which your 5 limited senses can detect. You're not even worth debating with, so narrow is your mind.

Clearly my senses are used as are yours as a foundation for further inquiry. Let us not be ridiculous. Besides, I use more than 5 senses. You should try it. I don't remember limiting myself to 5 senses in the topic. That is an assumption, much like the assumption of a magical ball spinning in space. It means I clearly know more than those who only use 5. Anyway, after I draw conclusions from using my senses, I then research a topic just as you all do. Do you not have use for your senses sir?

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2017, 09:57:54 PM »
Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship, and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat. The Nile riving having no curvature whatsoever is another clue. When building, if we do not have to account for curvature; it is simply, because it does not exist! How hard is that for people to understand? That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here. If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?

Your trolling game is weak. The other ones were better.

Yet you globalists keep proving my point. Engineers are valid sources. Why has no one answered the question about the bridges and arcs? I know, because that would prove there is NO ball that you speak of. Can someone be kind or intelligent enough to answer that question?

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2017, 10:22:58 PM »
Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship, and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat. The Nile riving having no curvature whatsoever is another clue. When building, if we do not have to account for curvature; it is simply, because it does not exist! How hard is that for people to understand? That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here. If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?

Your trolling game is weak. The other ones were better.

Yet you globalists keep proving my point. Engineers are valid sources. Why has no one answered the question about the bridges and arcs? I know, because that would prove there is NO ball that you speak of. Can someone be kind or intelligent enough to answer that question?

Why don't you "research" it.😂😂😂

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2017, 12:01:25 AM »
Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship,
On the "straight horizon" maybe have a look at this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 1 - The Horizon and get a bit of balance!

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and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat.

The Nile river having no curvature whatsoever is another clue.
And where did you get that information? Not by "looking at it!" I'll vouch it came from a Flat Earth YouTube Video.
On the Globe, the Nile river does flow downhill.

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When building, if we do not have to account for curvature;
What is to allow for? City building blocks vary in size but might be say, 100 m 200 m.
A measure of the earth's curvature would be how much the edge of a block is below the centre.
The edge of the 100 m side is only 0.2 mm "lower" that the centre and the edge of the 200 m side is only 0.8 mm "lower" than the centre.

So, who cares - the block is simply levelled!

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it is simply, because it does not exist!
No, "we do not have to account for curvature" in building sites because it is completely negligible.

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How hard is that for people to understand?
I often wonder that, but I gues the problem is simply that flat earthers cannot comprehend how large the earth really is.

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That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof
No, we do not deny anything - there is usually a simple explanation for all these issues.

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but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here.
I don't "expect you to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing". That has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Pretty pictures are nice, but not necessary.
The Globe has been considered the shape of the earth for over 2300 years and the Heliocentric Globe for 300 or 400 years.

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If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?
For a kilometer long single span the centre would be a whole 20 mm above the ends, but do you know something?
Bridges do have much more curvature than this:
5. Humber Bridge, England 1,410 m
     6. Jiangyin Suspension Bridge, China 1,385 m
     7. Tsing Ma Bridge, China 1,377 m
They all seem to curve up by much more than 20 mm, though this is not because of the earth's curvature, that's almost unmeasurable in that length.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2017, 12:28:23 AM »
Your senses only tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat.

The Earth is FAR bigger than your world. Your senses are not tuned to that scale.

Also, they're wrong.



Respectfully, you do not know me and to which scale my senses are tuned. I am not saying that my senses are proof of flat Earth.

Respectfully, the title of the thread you started is:

My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

So are your senses proof of a flat earth or not?

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I am saying that my senses tell me Earth is flat and from there I draw conclusions as to why and then do research.

Your senses provide information to your brain; your brain interprets what your senses are telling it according to your experiences, perceptions, and biases.

For instance:

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be.

Your eyes provide information to your brain. Your preconceptions "know Earth is flat" and "cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space" so you conclude, "It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be." Ergo: "your senses" (actually, your mind) tell you the earth is not a ball spinning in space.

It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Hadn't your senses been telling your for some 40 years that you don't "fall off" the globe even if you're on a swing? Why did you suddenly stop believing your own life-long experiences?

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We all use our senses first for inquiry that leads to theory hypotheses. What else can we start with? Our senses are the first epistemological natural source for inquiry and reasoning. The question is; is there a reason to believe that a person's senses are not reliable due to being color blind, blind, wears glasses, deaf etc. depending on the research at hand.

If the research is about color, then, yes, being color blind would make someone's senses unreliable.

My senses do not just tell me that MY world is flat. My senses tell me that OUR world is flat. My senses also tell me that it is an impossibility to land a plane on a spinning ball. Sorry.

How would your senses tell you that last one? Your vision tells you a plane landed. That's all. It's your biases that tell you it's impossible to land a plane on a spinning ball.

I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!"

Too bad; get used to it. What you're showing them isn't proof and never will be. You're confusing your own opinion with proof, and, most likely, what you're explaining to them makes no sense and isn't even correct.

This is a very strange thread. So much muddled thought and internal contradiction in so few posts.

I have already been called a troll a few times. Yes I started the thread by saying MY senses, I did not state 5 senses as another member assumed I use 5, and I also said in the title MY proof. We all have different experiences, correct? I was born with thoughts of living under a dome; an aquarium. No one told me to believe that. No one ever mentioned it at such a young age. I never asked my mom why the sky is blue. I assumed it was water above us. I began school at 3 and I am guessing at 5 is when we began discussing the world. I already had my ideas about this world. That is why I freaked out and thought I could fall off of the ball late in life. My security was threatened. It really is that simple.

My vision doesn't just tell me a plane landed. It is not that simple for me is clearly what no one understands and that is my fault because explaining that there are things I have known and I don't know why agitates people. It is my opinion (no insult intended) that globalists have it made. You were told a story and that's it. Galileo, Copernicus, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein figured the rest out. I along with other FE'rs are forced to bear the burden of proof, although it should be globalists bearing this burden. After all, this story of a sphere was not accepted until 500 years ago and without appropriate technology to prove a thing. Planes weren't even in existence.

I give respect and listen and try to see possibilities in what people are trying to convey. I do not get the same respect. Instead I am called a troll. Of course my 5 senses alone are not used as my only source for knowing; however, I do trust my 6th more than all 5. My point in this particular paragraph is that I am not a troll for believing that I know something that we will eventually have proof for. The problem is that even a mention of some kind of proof makes the globalists (at least here) become more aggressive and name calling begins as a way to avoid a question I would like someone to answer.

Why is it so hard to answer or give an opinion as to why; if we live on a ball, don't engineers account for curvature? Why don't bridges look like arcs unless by design?

Thanks for your response.

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2017, 12:34:50 AM »

Why is it so hard to answer or give an opinion as to why; if we live on a ball, don't engineers account for curvature? Why don't bridges look like arcs unless by design?

Thanks for your response.
I believe I answered that in the post before yours.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2017, 12:56:20 AM »
Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship,
On the "straight horizon" maybe have a look at this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 1 - The Horizon and get a bit of balance!

Quote from: MsPhilosopher
and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat.

The Nile river having no curvature whatsoever is another clue.
And where did you get that information? Not by "looking at it!" I'll vouch it came from a Flat Earth YouTube Video.
On the Globe, the Nile river does flow downhill.

Quote from: MsPhilosopher
When building, if we do not have to account for curvature;
What is to allow for? City building blocks vary in size but might be say, 100 m 200 m.
A measure of the earth's curvature would be how much the edge of a block is below the centre.
The edge of the 100 m side is only 0.2 mm "lower" that the centre and the edge of the 200 m side is only 0.8 mm "lower" than the centre.

So, who cares - the block is simply levelled!

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it is simply, because it does not exist!
No, "we do not have to account for curvature" in building sites because it is completely negligible.

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How hard is that for people to understand?
I often wonder that, but I gues the problem is simply that flat earthers cannot comprehend how large the earth really is.

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That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof
No, we do not deny anything - there is usually a simple explanation for all these issues.

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but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here.
I don't "expect you to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing". That has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Pretty pictures are nice, but not necessary.
The Globe has been considered the shape of the earth for over 2300 years and the Heliocentric Globe for 300 or 400 years.

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If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?
For a kilometer long single span the centre would be a whole 20 mm above the ends, but do you know something?
Bridges do have much more curvature than this:
5. Humber Bridge, England 1,410 m
     6. Jiangyin Suspension Bridge, China 1,385 m
     7. Tsing Ma Bridge, China 1,377 m
They all seem to curve up by much more than 20 mm, though this is not because of the earth's curvature, that's almost unmeasurable in that length.

Thank you for having decency and intelligence. We don't get anywhere calling each other trolls. I would rather learn from someone than be called a troll and vice-versa. My topic may be misleading; but, as I have explained, I did not mean to sound the way it looks. I am on a 3 1/2 year sabbatical (in a doctoral program). I do know about research more than anything that I have learned because they practically beat it into us even before graduate school. I don't care if these people think I don't know what I am talking about because I do. I am not an idiot. I just expect intelligent interaction. Thank you for doing so. I will research what you have told me. Thank you!

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2017, 01:07:19 AM »
Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.
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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2017, 01:11:14 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2017, 01:27:13 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

I think she's doing a psych research project on flat earthers,  or maybe  just likes debating. 


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For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Seems hard to believe.
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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2017, 02:20:35 AM »
Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe.
Since this thread is about your senses being proof of a flat earth, what do your senses tell you happens to the sun after sunset?  Is it still some 3000 miles above some other part of the flat earth, or did it sink below the edge of the flat earth?

Maybe I was not clear. I am guided by my senses as we all are. This is where all theory begins. My senses tell me Earth is flat and then naturally, I come to conclusions as to why I feel a certain way and I do research. I believe in a dome and then sun revolving in a disc above us. This accounts for night and day and season change.

But does it account for the sun appearing to sink below the horizon as my eyes are telling me that it does?

We have two different beliefs. Our perception is biased toward our beliefs. You believe in a sphere as a ball. I believe in a sphere as a dome over flat Earth. Same shape and shadows no matter how we cut it. You see a horizon, I see a line from a dome encircling flat Earth which is not space but water making it look like your horizon. You believe the earth spins and I believe the sun and moon revolve above flat Earth in a firmament revolving disc-like around and across the dome to account for days and seasons.


It is highly unlikely that the sun can sink at the edge in water. Sarcasm?
That's one of the reasons that the flat earth model doesn't make sense: my eyes tell me one thing (sun sinking below the horizon), but logic tells me another (still daylight a few time zones west).  Which am I supposed to believe?

I let my senses and my heart guide my questions. There is a foundation for everything and inquiry is built from senses. How other than relying first on our senses can we generate questions? My heart; well, it allows for me to accept opposing viewpoints. Not unlike the scientific method.

First we have to make observations. This is dependent upon our senses, the foundation of all inquiry. If your eyes are telling you something and it is in question, form a hypothesis and conduct your experiment to find a conclusion. Not so easy when it comes to this argument though because there are things that we cannot do or not allowed to do in order to learn the answer. In that case, I will use some information from my opposing viewpoints and see if I can find a conclusion there. It is not impossible for the sun and moon to revolve above Earth. If I thought it was impossible, I would not preach it. Honestly, when you think about a magical spinning ball in space, there really are no impossibilities.

Epistemolgically speaking, a smart/wise person says I know nothing. If we did, this argument would not exist. I sincerely take anything I learn or feel into consideration. If the sun and Earth move further apart by 15 cm. per year, global warming should not be getting worse. If we move apart at that rate yearly, the sun will cease to keep us warm and supply the energy we need. Global warming is said to be caused by the greenhouse effect. That is a cute way to explain away the dome/aquarium I believe we live in where the gases we make from pollution is what is destroying us because if we live under a dome, these gases would definitely have a greenhouse effect. Just as we see a boat disappear on the ocean, so will the sun due to distance. The sun and moon explain a lot to me. Apollo pictures and an horizon explain noting to me. The picture to me and others are fake. The horizon is another created word to explain away the dome and does not account for distance. We may never see eye to eye until we all look at all of the possibilities. I believe that globalists repeat information they have learned while we continue to come up with our own information which is no easy feat when we are only allowed to perform a handful of experiments due to financing and legalities.

Although I do not accept videos and pictures as always being valid sources of evidence, I have to watch videos of flat earth believers conducting experiments because it is all we have at this point. People have flown cameras above earth to show there is no curvature. People show how gravity is defied daily, people show how the sun rotates above Earth and not the other way around. We have to start somewhere. One of my daughters and I have noticed on several occasions that the moon is revolving and that we are not actually orbiting anything. It is as plain as day. Many people have seen this. We can't all have unreliable eyes. It is as plain as day and when people say to rely on your senses folks, Earth is flat, I have to agree because our senses are the foundation of all inquiry. The sun appears to disappear below the horizon as does a boat that disappears due to distance.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2017, 02:26:12 AM »
You write long posts, but I'm not sure what your actual point is?

Ps - what's your doctorate in?

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2017, 02:33:52 AM »
Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.
You might suffer from a psychological disorder. I recommend visiting a professional.

You say this because you have a masters or doctorate in psychology?

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2017, 02:36:55 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2017, 02:40:17 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

Have you come across the Dunning-Kruger effect in your Advanced studies in human behaviour? If not, you should look it up!👍
If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2017, 02:47:49 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

I think she's doing a psych research project on flat earthers,  or maybe  just likes debating. 


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For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Seems hard to believe.

My major is human behaviour; however, I am not doing a project.

Why is it hard to believe. You are coming from a standpoint of believing we live on a ball. You have found your security within your belief system. I never, not once thought we lived on a ball. Since I can remember, before school, I believed we live on a flat Earth with a protected dome. No one taught me that. That was my security according to my belief system. Take that away and my security is threatened. How does this not make sense? Maybe see outside of your belief system and realize that others have their own belief systems and it wouldn't be so hard to believe. I was genuinely afraid.

If you were told that the vehicle you were driving can defy gravity (for whatever reason, just saying), your belief system would change a little bit. Your security would be threatened. You may ask yourself, "How this can be? Should I drive this car again?"

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2017, 02:49:45 AM »
Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms.
Maybe because you didn't pay much attention?
It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year.
So you embarrassed your daughter in front of her friend? if you have crazy unfounded ideas, keep it to yourself or this forum...you have no right to embarrass other people with it.
He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.
Because of this argument I can't give you any credibility for anything you say...you trust your senses...you claim that your senses provide you evidences about your surroundings...

none of your senses have been giving you any information that you would fall off this silly planet...ever...
yet, you choose to ignore that and be afraid of falling off for a year long? how loonatic is that?
seems that you do not even trust your own senses...
When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be.
you are insane. you cannot conceive a round earth, yet you could conceive you would fall off the spinning round earth for a whole year....against your own senses!! that makes no sense.
They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas.
I doubt that
I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK.
what proof? name one please
People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.
again, what proof do you have?
Maybe I was not clear. I am guided by my senses as we all are. This is where all theory begins. My senses tell me Earth is flat and then naturally, I come to conclusions as to why I feel a certain way and I do research. I believe in a dome and then sun revolving in a disc above us. This accounts for night and day and season change. It is highly unlikely that the sun can sink at the edge in water. Sarcasm?
being afraid of falling off the Earth is not being guided by your senses...it quite shows the opposite...your senses tell you, you won't fall off from anything....yet, you get yourself convinced of that...
you see the sun clearly setting behind the horizon bottom up and at full size...instead of shrinking above the horizon untill it vanishes...yet you still believe the sun revolves in a disc above us?
is that being guided by your senses? please explain...
 
Respectfully, you do not know me and to which scale my senses are tuned. I am not saying that my senses are proof of flat Earth. I am saying that my senses tell me Earth is flat and from there I draw conclusions as to why and then do research. We all use our senses first for inquiry that leads to theory. What else can we start with? Our senses are the first epistemological natural source for inquiry and reasoning. The question is; is there a reason to believe that a person's senses are not reliable due to being color blind, blind, wears glasses, deaf etc. depending on the research at hand.

My senses do not just tell me that MY world is flat. My senses tell me that OUR world is flat. My senses also tell me that it is an impossibility to land a plan on a spinning ball. Sorry.
respectfully, no! you are saying clearly that you do not listen to your own senses...you just believe what you have been told or what you read...that's all...from there you draw your conclusions. not from your senses. your senses have nothing to do with your ideas and conclutions. and I doubt you have been doing any research.
Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof.
sorry, but you do not use your senses at all. you just showed everyone that you are not one of those "every other inquisitive person" by not trusting your own senses.
Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship, and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat. The Nile riving having no curvature whatsoever is another clue. When building, if we do not have to account for curvature; it is simply, because it does not exist! How hard is that for people to understand? That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here. If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?
You summoned a few examples here where you claim these should be examples of pieces of evidence for a flat earth...don't know exactly what you mean exactly which each one of them, but to me, most of them sounds incorrect or incomplete. so, I am gonna need a bit more information about them to say something usefull.
It is nonsensical to believe that engineers are not proof for flat Earth. If when they are designing bridges, and they do not account for curvature, then bottom line is because there is no curvature.
Who is saying engineers do not account for curvature? where did you get that information from?
I am an electrical engineer in the Netherlands specialized in bridges, sluices, dams and tunnels.
I work a lot together with civiltechnical engineers.
every design of a bridge is made within a band of error tolerance...if the bridge is small enough so that the factor of curvature is significantly smaller than the band of tolerance...then the factor of curvature is being neglected...but it will always be considered in the beginning...
This is not rocket science. The bridges do not look like arcs; therefore, no curvature. You can't debunk everything. Since we don't believe pictures that NASA insists are real (they are only pictures after all) then we talk with people who would know. Engineers and pilots are two reliable sources. Pilots are not at liberty to be honest so they say nothing.
Why are pilots not at liberty to be honest? where did you get that information from?
I would rather globalists use reliable sources; not pictures from NASA that could have been taken at area 51.

I could go on replying on every reaction of yours...but I think this is enough to illustrate how unfounded your claims are...and you do not pay any attention to your own senses. you say you do...but you really don't...

so my advise to you...take a day off...empty your head from all ideas flat or round...do your observations again, go watch a sunset, go watch the behavement of polaris vs the other stars...the behavement of the moon. look around in which direction parabolic antenna's at peoples homes are pointed and look in that direction if you can see any building or antenna...

And then...ask yourself...truely ask yourself what those observations really tell you...

then we will have this conversation again...

Good luck!!
Never argue with an idiot...
First they will drag you down to their own level,
and then they beat you by experience...

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2017, 02:51:49 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

I think she's doing a psych research project on flat earthers,  or maybe  just likes debating. 


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For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Seems hard to believe.

My major is human behaviour; however, I am not doing a project.

Why is it hard to believe. You are coming from a standpoint of believing we live on a ball. You have found your security within your belief system. I never, not once thought we lived on a ball. Since I can remember, before school, I believed we live on a flat Earth with a protected dome. No one taught me that. That was my security according to my belief system. Take that away and my security is threatened. How does this not make sense? Maybe see outside of your belief system and realize that others have their own belief systems and it wouldn't be so hard to believe. I was genuinely afraid.

If you were told that the vehicle you were driving can defy gravity (for whatever reason, just saying), your belief system would change a little bit. Your security would be threatened. You may ask yourself, "How this can be? Should I drive this car again?"

I want a car that can defy gravity! That sounds cool!!! Where can I get one??! I mean, can you imagine in rush hour just popping up a bit over the other cars and having your own upper lane!!!👍👍👍
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If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2017, 03:01:54 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

Have you come across the Dunning-Kruger effect in your Advanced studies in human behaviour? If not, you should look it up!👍

Why wouldn't I have come across it? You are all so complimenting here! Not attractive ;)

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2017, 03:12:01 AM »
What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

Which institution?

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2017, 03:18:30 AM »
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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2017, 03:29:31 AM »
Social Experiment.
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2017, 03:46:25 AM »
Social Experiment.

Poorly executed in this instance.

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Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2017, 04:08:00 AM »
Why is it hard to believe. You are coming from a standpoint of believing we live on a ball. You have found your security within your belief system.
The "shape of the earth" is not a "belief" like a religion, but a physical fact to be determined by observation.
So, claiming that I "have found my security within my belief system" is patently ridiculous.

The earth is simply a huge physical object thst is either either a Globe or it's not.

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I never, not once thought we lived on a ball.
Since I can remember, before school, I believed we live on a flat Earth with a protected dome. No one taught me that.
You just have to face the simple fact that the shape of the earth is unaffected by your belief.
That in itself dies not mean that your belief is wrong,  just that is a "security system" based on that seems to be wrongly based.

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That was my security according to my belief system.
To me a "belief system" based on the shape of some physical object, the earth,
seems decidedly unhealthy, but what would a lay person (in psychology) like myself know?

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Take that away and my security is threatened. How does this not make sense? Maybe see outside of your belief system and realize that others have their own belief systems and it wouldn't be so hard to believe. I was genuinely afraid.
It sounds as though the actual shape of the earth is the least of your problems, but this is hardly the place to seek help on that.
I can offer lots of evidence on the Heliocentric Globe, but your problems are way outside my expertise.

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If you were told that the vehicle you were driving can defy gravity (for whatever reason, just saying), your belief system would change a little bit. Your security would be threatened. You may ask yourself, "How this can be? Should I drive this car again?"
Why would my "security would be threatened"?
I am fully prepared to admit that neither I nor the scientific community know or claim to know everything about gravitation.
So, I would examine the car and test if it performed as claimed, if it did it would be great, but there are many false claims made.

But, the situation would have no connection with my "belief system".

I have no idea what you might learn from this ramble,  but there it is, take it or leave it.

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2017, 11:22:58 AM »
I have already been called a troll a few times.

I find that term is used way too often by both sides in discussions here. Unfortunately, you need to develop a tougher hide if you want to participate in these forums.

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Yes I started the thread by saying MY senses, I did not state 5 senses as another member assumed I use 5, and I also said in the title MY proof.

That's not proof at all. That's information interpreted in a way that confirms your own preconceived notion.

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We all have different experiences, correct? I was born with thoughts of living under a dome; an aquarium. No one told me to believe that. No one ever mentioned it at such a young age.

I doubt you were born with any such thoughts. You applied your imagination as a toddler to the limited limited experiences you had by then, and created an explanation that made sense to you at the time.
 
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I never asked my mom why the sky is blue. I assumed it was water above us.

You never asked questions about the world around you? Really? Didn't you wonder what the sun was and where it went at night? No curiosity at all?

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I began school at 3 and I am guessing at 5 is when we began discussing the world. I already had my ideas about this world.

And, apparently, felt no reason whatsoever to listen to anyone else's ideas about the world for the next three decades and more.

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That is why I freaked out and thought I could fall off of the ball late in life. My security was threatened. It really is that simple.

It just doesn't ring true that you had never heard this until you were 40 and suddenly started to, then immediately tossed a lifetime of your own sensory experience that should have told you that you won't fall off the earth. This simply makes no sense whatsoever.

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My vision doesn't just tell me a plane landed.

Yeah... if you watch a plane land, that's exactly what your vision is telling you. The interpretation of what it means is supplied by your mind, and, it sounds like, your emotions.
 
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It is not that simple for me is clearly what no one understands and that is my fault because explaining that there are things I have known and I don't know why agitates people.

Maybe what you think you know is completely wrong. An adult with a kid (or kids) insisting to her peers that her understanding of the world developed as a pre-schooler was correct, despite all evidence to the contrary, would be, to put it mildly, a disconcerting to normally-functioning adults.

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It is my opinion (no insult intended) that globalists have it made. You were told a story and that's it.

Well, yeah... the "story" actually explains everyday occurrences very elegantly and routinely makes useful and very accurate predictions about things hasn't happened yet. Want a prediction about when the moon will rise on some date in the future from some location you pick? Click here [My usual go-to for this sort of information http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php seems to be unavailable at the moment.]

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Galileo, Copernicus, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein figured the rest out. I along with other FE'rs are forced to bear the burden of proof, although it should be globalists bearing this burden.

Messrs. Copernicus, Newton, Kepler, Einstein, et al., have have already laid out a convincing case that the spherical earth and planets are orbiting the sun. The idea that the earth is a large sphere (large in human-scale terms, which is what your senses perceive) is entirely consistent with centuries of measurement and common observations, like how long it takes to get from place to place when traveling long distances. Overturning the massive amount of evidence that they were correct is indeed going to be a daunting challenge. You will need some very convincing data along with a model of the cosmos that actually works to have any hope of making any inroads at all. In other words, it will take a lot more than "I just know an airplane can't land on a spinning spherical earth." Best of luck!

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After all, this story of a sphere was not accepted until 500 years ago and without appropriate technology to prove a thing. Planes weren't even in existence.

Neither was NASA, but that doesn't stop a lot of posters here from claiming that most people believe "the earth is round" because "NASA tells us it is".

And, no, that "500 years" we sometimes hear is bogus. The notion that Columbus boldly set out to the west to reach the Far East despite "everyone knowing" the earth was flat is simply wrong. Columbus believed the earth was smaller than most well-educated people of his time believed (correctly, as it turned out).

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I give respect and listen and try to see possibilities in what people are trying to convey.

Yet you said you didn't do that at all up to age about 40. You claimed to be smugly oblivious to what was being taught in school; otherwise, why would you be clueless about why there were globes in classrooms.

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I do not get the same respect. Instead I am called a troll. [Yeah, you said that. I don't like that sort of thing, either, but toughen up if you want to post here.] Of course my 5 senses alone are not used as my only source for knowing; however, I do trust my 6th more than all 5.

Sixth sense? Which one is that? You've referred to "heart" is some of your other posts. That's another expression for "emotion". Is that it?

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My point in this particular paragraph is that I am not a troll for believing that I know something that we will eventually have proof for.

You believe you know something that will be shown to be true later. We hear that all the time, but there is no rational reason to expect that to happen, only wishful thinking. You also keep going on and on about 'proof'. Did you read the article about the nature of 'proof' linked earlier?

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The problem is that even a mention of some kind of proof makes the globalists (at least here) become more aggressive and name calling begins as a way to avoid a question I would like someone to answer.

People show up claiming "proof", "irrefutable proof", "undeniable proof", and similar all the time. Every one of them is not only wrong, but usually trivially wrong. It gets tiresome.

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Why is it so hard to answer or give an opinion as to why; if we live on a ball, don't engineers account for curvature? Why don't bridges look like arcs unless by design?

How do you know they don't? Can you cite an instance where it would even be necessary, what would be affected, and how conventional engineering practices would have to be different?

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Thanks for your response.

You're welcome.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2017, 11:54:41 AM »
I have already been called a troll a few times.

I find that term is used way too often by both sides in discussions here. Unfortunately, you need to develop a tougher hide if you want to participate in these forums.


You're right - I did throw the  "troll" comment at them, but they are saying they've been called it before. However only joined 31/7 and at that point had supposedly made 3 posts? The style of writing is very similar to what I think are two other recent incarnations of the same person.

So what I meant by troll, is that I don't think this person believes anything they are saying and that they are trying to sculpture posts to illicit the most attention possible. I don't know what the word is for that, so I used "troll".