The Great Conspiracy

Those here claiming the earth to be flat often dismiss some evidence to the contrary- often claiming that it was faked.

To me, this implies that some people know the earth is flat, but are part of a great cover up.  Clearly, it must be an international conspiracy.

For this to be true- who would need to be part of the grand cover up?  Where does this international conspiracy start and end?

Where does this international conspiracy start and end?

Spam in a Can. It's not even real meat.

I mean, it's not Ballpark franks. I don't think it's Hormel Chili either. But it's definitely something with quasi-meat. That's how they getchya. Mind control.

Hormel Chili with Beans maybe. Actually, that would make a lot of sense. It's not really chili if they put beans in it. Nobody ever said "chili con frijoles." That's obviously fucked up. It's chili con carne. If you add weird shit like beans, that's when you add the extra descriptor.

So the conspiracy starts and ends with beans. Maybe canned chicken and tuna too. And anchovies, obvs.

^  whole time I was reading you I was thinking "canned chicken', dammit.

At least the Ancient Greeks.
If you limit it to today, the government doesn't need to be in on it, just every space agency, almost every astronomer, including all the ameteurs, airline pilots and navigators, cruise line navigators, every satellite dish installation technician, and so on.

the earth is round. simple as

At least the Ancient Greeks.
If you limit it to today, the government doesn't need to be in on it, just every space agency

Don't forget a big chunk of the armed forces.

almost every astronomer, including all the ameteurs, airline pilots and navigators, cruise line navigators, every satellite dish installation technician, and so on.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921467#msg1921467

Yes Jane, you have said all that before, and it has been refuted before.

Even just a space conspiracy will still require loads of people, but more importantly it requires ignoring all Earth based evidence that Earth is round.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921467#msg1921467

Without a massive conspiracy, the whole idea of any flat earth is completely dead in the water.

I don't see how a 'weak conspiracy' can be true. In fact it feels rather disingenuous to even suggest a weak conspiracy without pointing out all the evidence that has been labeled as being 'made up' and a part of the conspiracy over the years...

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921467#msg1921467

In fact just the suggestion of a 'weak conspiracy' winds me up.

I have personally spent hours over the past few months bringing up perfectly good evidence that has been 'debunked' by the insistence on a large scale cover up.

- What about international cross space agency collusion?

- What about enemy states agreeing to the cover up?

- Without a large scale conspiracy how is the Antarctic ring kept secret?

- What about satellites, how are these faked 'by mistake'?

And on and on...

Quote from: Jane on July 29, 2017, 03:13:44 PM

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921467#msg1921467

In fact just the suggestion of a 'weak conspiracy' winds me up.

I have personally spent hours over the past few months bringing up perfectly good evidence that has been 'debunked' by the insistence on a large scale cover up.

- What about international cross space agency collusion?

- What about enemy states agreeing to the cover up?

- Without a large scale conspiracy how is the Antarctic ring kept secret?

- What about satellites, how are these faked 'by mistake'?

And on and on...

Not every FEer agrees, just because one of them says something doesn't mean that others won't.
There's no collusion, as explained in the weak conspiracy section, just groups independently agreeing to save face, most of the time. Satellites aren't a mistake, just another part of the independent space-agency cover-up. As for the Antarctic ring, that doesn't exist in every model, and even those where it does how would you recognise it?

Sorry, but as nonsensical as the giant large scale conspiracy is, it feels even more crazy to say people are covering up the biggest single fact in human history simply to save face.

Sorry, but as nonsensical as the giant large scale conspiracy is, it feels even more crazy to say people are covering up the biggest single fact in human history simply to save face.

They're not. The weak conspiracy has nothing to do with covering up a flat Earth, chances are they don't know, they're exclusively covering up space travel.

Then as I said, I have seen stacks of non space travel based evidence debunked as being part of the large scale conspiracy.

Simply posting a description of a weak conspiracy without dealing with all the evidence that other FE'ers debunk using an insanely large scale conspiracy just doesn't cut it.

To me attempting to make the conspiracy required sound less bonkers you have actually undermined the entire argument.

Then as I said, I have seen stacks of non space travel based evidence debunked as being part of the large scale conspiracy.

Simply posting a description of a weak conspiracy without dealing with all the evidence that other FE'ers debunk using an insanely large scale conspiracy just doesn't cut it.

To me attempting to make the conspiracy required sound less bonkers you have actually undermined the entire argument.

And as I said, not every FEer agrees. Just because one says something does not mean they all think the same.

That's not the point. The point is with a weak conspiracy there is a large body of evidence that FE needs to explain as up until now I've only seen this evidence explained by use of a large scale global conspiracy.

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 30, 2017, 04:21:42 AM

Then as I said, I have seen stacks of non space travel based evidence debunked as being part of the large scale conspiracy.

Simply posting a description of a weak conspiracy without dealing with all the evidence that other FE'ers debunk using an insanely large scale conspiracy just doesn't cut it.

To me attempting to make the conspiracy required sound less bonkers you have actually undermined the entire argument.

And as I said, not every FEer agrees. Just because one says something does not mean they all think the same.

But surely there is only a single truth? Are you accepting then that FE is just opinion?

That's not the point. The point is with a weak conspiracy there is a large body of evidence that FE needs to explain as up until now I've only seen this evidence explained by use of a large scale global conspiracy.

Then make a thread, or look at the contents/ctrl f the compendium, you might find mentions. As it is you're just complaining that the people who believe in a weak conspiracy don't simultaneously hold a stronger model.

But surely there is only a single truth? Are you accepting then that FE is just opinion?

Why is it significant when FEers disagree with each other, but you'd never make that argument just because they disagree with REers? Yes, there's a single truth, good luck figuring it out.

Quote from: Edge_Loop on July 30, 2017, 04:34:02 AM

That's not the point. The point is with a weak conspiracy there is a large body of evidence that FE needs to explain as up until now I've only seen this evidence explained by use of a large scale global conspiracy.

Then make a thread, or look at the contents/ctrl f the compendium, you might find mentions. As it is you're just complaining that the people who believe in a weak conspiracy don't simultaneously hold a stronger model.

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But surely there is only a single truth? Are you accepting then that FE is just opinion?

Why is it significant when FEers disagree with each other, but you'd never make that argument just because they disagree with REers? Yes, there's a single truth, good luck figuring it out.

Because one is the overriding consensus and the other is a concept held by a minority.

It is more significant if the members of the minority group do not agree amongst themselves than them disagreeing with the consensus.

Because one is the overriding consensus and the other is a concept held by a minority.

It is more significant if the members of the minority group do not agree amongst themselves than them disagreeing with the consensus.

Not really, it's to be expected. A majority has the opportunity to develop a consensus, a minority doesn't.

FE has been around for long enough for it to have formed a consensus. If it can't even do that then what is the point?

What exactly is the end goal?

FE has been around for long enough for it to have formed a consensus.

Why do you conclude that?
And it typically takes more than just time to develop a consensus.

FE has been around for long enough for it to have formed a consensus. If it can't even do that then what is the point?

What exactly is the end goal?

My educated guess: Indoctrination of a sufficient number of believers to declare it a church in the end and then have all the profits. See exhibit A: The ridiculous BS that is the Church of Scientology. 

What makes you conclude the earth is flat in the first place?

Could we not be in the inside of a hollow cylinder millions of miles across?

I assumed that there was at least consensus amongst FE'ers that it is actually flat, in which case why does the consensus end there?

But really though, without the large scale conspiracy to drive us away from God, why would you think the earth is specifically flat?

I can understand saying 'the earth is not as they say it is because I feel the evidence to support it is flawed' - but I don't get where the flat earth part comes in if you are disregarding allot of the trappings that go with it and saying no one knows what shape the earth is.

Sorry, I don't mean to be unduly contentious, it's just that almost all the FE'ers I have communicated with have maintained the 'disk/Antarctic ring under a star spangled cloche hidden by evil overlords that want us to feel small and hopeless' model.

Ok, I have been reading "The Earth is Not a Globe" and I have a major problem with its logic.

It claims that scientists all over the world are so enamored of Sir Isaac Newton that he's essentially become their god- and that they have an irrational desire to never contradict Newton.

That isn't a claim of 'conspiracy' or intentional cover up, as it were, right?  It is like an unintentional cover up of evidence.


This doesn't hold with events since the book came out, though.  Relativity and Quantum Mechanics contradict Newton fundamentally.  So why would they continue to cover up a flat earth when people who come forward against the current theory can be as universally celebrated as Albert Einstein?


So it has to be an intentional cover-up- with collusion all credible scientists from all over the earth.

Who needs to be in on the conspiracy for it to work?  Well, here's a list:

Cartogrophers for a number of centuries
Everyone involved in every Space Program around the world- including both Russia and the US during the Cold War
South Pole Expedition team members
All Governments with a Navy, Airforce or long range missiles, and people who work on any of those things
Anyone who claims to have been to Antarctica and not seen the army/impassible ice walls
Anyone who claims to have traversed the globe north to south
International Airline Pilots
Recreational pilots
Military pilots, navigators, rangers
Sea Ship's captain/pilots and navigators, and probably a number of other sailors (especially in the southern hemisphere)
Engineers and Architects that work on a large enough scale to account for the curvature or wobble of the earth
Astronomers and astrophysicists
Anyone who claims to have navigated using the stars in the southern hemipshere (this goes back a number of centuries)
Possibly anyone who claims to have visited the southern hemisphere and observed the star rotation (that's me).
The army that protects Antarctic Ice Wall, their families, the ships that take them to and from duty and their logistics managers
Telecommunications companies
Google
Land Surveyors



So- several million people are in the employ of the great conspiracy- and I'm sure I haven't listed every job that wouild need to be involved.