Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1320 on: September 27, 2017, 05:14:52 PM »
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Why 200 m?


Why not ?

The model provided was only used as an illustration.

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as an engineer i can assure you:
if you want correct results you have to use a to scale model.

that the reason we design machines to scale in the computer, if we would not do that nothing would work.

we are talking here about science and not art.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1321 on: September 27, 2017, 05:18:06 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1322 on: September 27, 2017, 05:21:04 PM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense. It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East. The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon .

http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I chose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why So

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one Part two

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video above clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .



The image demonstrates that the light is clearly evenly distributed around the Sun and that there is no object such as the Moon in front of the sun .

The pattern demonstrated on the image provided shows what would be expected if the sun was that shape .

The video shows there is no sign of your invisible disappearing and reappearing Magic Moon .

The deviation from the perfect circle of light around the Sun is what should be expected as the Sun was a waning crescent at the time of the said image that was taken from the video provided .

If a solid object such as the Moon was obstructing the Sun during the Solar Eclipse  there would be little to no light coming from the Sun on the side of the said obstruction .

The image provided doesn't show this as it shows an even distribution of light all around the Sun .

It would also be an impossible coincidence for scattered light to form the correct pattern of evenly distributed light for the Eclipsed Sun as demonstrated in the video provided .

On your heliocentric model the light is allegedly scattered in space and the Shadow is caused by your Magic Moon .

As light in space travels in straight lines we would not be able to observe the pattern of light demonstrated in the video provided earlier if your heliocentric model is correct .

Here is another video that goes into great detail regarding the Solar eclipse.

The video provided also shows pictures taken during the eclipse that show very strange orb like shadows .

The narrator has determined that this is down to the black hole Sun obstructing the Sun .

He also claims that these small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of is what is causing the strange shadows that have been photographed during the eclipse and shown in the video .

He also constructs a 3D model using a simulation that displays what we should of observed during the Eclipse if your Heliocentric model is correct .

There is a huge difference between what was observed during the eclipse and what should of been observed if your heliocentric model was correct .

The video :





The video below shows the small orbs that the Black Hole Sun is constructed of in front of the Sun ; the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft and it also shows these orbs projected onto the ground the said image was taken from eye level about 180 cm the two images combined verify that these small orbs cause the Solar Eclipse and that these small orbs amalgamate to form the Black Hole Sun.

The images where taken from an high altitude aircraft  this video proves it is not the Moon that eclipses the Sun it is the Black Hole Sun.

The video's:





In the image below provided by NASA  it doesn't show the umbra /penumbra it shows one huge shadow it is certainly bigger than 70 miles wide.

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This image from NASA proves your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality.

The alleged shadow cast on Jupiter shown in the video below is about the same size as your imaginary Globe and NOT 70 miles wide .

The video below also highlights some of the many contradictions regarding the Heliocentric model.




The alleged ability of the Heliocentric model to predict eclipses is NO form of validation for the said model as the Ancient Babylonian's believed in the same flat Earth model that is generally accepted today and could accurately predict eclipses using the Saros cycle as NASA still do to this day.

NASA have retrofitted their mathematics to the Saros cycle so they can claim it is unique to them.

These many contradictions show your model is pure fabrication and doesn't match the reality that has been observed and verified as such your ridiculous Heliocentric model is both unacceptable and impossible.


The Black Hole Sun is the cause of the Solar Eclipse and not the Moon.

Heliocentric's are delusional and inferior to debate your ridiculous model with me is pure folly.

I hope you all enjoy this Flat Earth nursery rhyme it is one of my favourites twinkle twinkle little star.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.


Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1323 on: September 27, 2017, 05:24:40 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?

Your qoute is taken out of context and as such is just designed to confuse the stupid gullable and inferior.

Anyone that is telling the truth or even thinks they are telling the truth have no  need to employ the methods of misdirection.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1324 on: September 27, 2017, 05:25:27 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?
Please answer the question RiF.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1325 on: September 27, 2017, 05:29:37 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?
Please answer the question RiF.

The fact of the matter is that the said spherical object used in the model provided as an illustration is 200 m away from the carousel so anyone with half a brain can detemine that the actuAl velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant regarding the rotational velocity of the said carousel.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 05:32:12 PM by Resistance.is.Futile »

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1326 on: September 27, 2017, 05:40:26 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?
Please answer the question RiF.

The fact of the matter is that the said spherical object used in the model provided as an illustration is 200 m away from the carousel so anyone with half a brain can detemine that the actuAl velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant regarding the rotational velocity of the said carousel.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

as you got told, you have to use a to scale model.

or are you to stupid to understand that?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1327 on: September 27, 2017, 05:41:33 PM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?
Please answer the question RiF.

The fact of the matter is that the said spherical object used in the model provided as an illustration is 200 m away from the carousel so anyone with half a brain can detemine that the actuAl velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant regarding the rotational velocity of the said carousel.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Why would you use a 200 m distance instead of between 360 m and 400 m?  The Moon's orbit is between 360,000 km and 400,000 km.  The Earth's diameter is about 12,000 km.  If your carousel has a diameter of 12 m, then the object orbiting it should be between 360 m and 400 m away to keep the model to scale?  What did you say earlier?  Oh, right...


Your qoute is taken out of context and as such is just designed to confuse the stupid gullable and inferior.

Anyone that is telling the truth or even thinks they are telling the truth have no  need to employ the methods of misdirection.

Converting the numbers to meters for you, the edge of the carousel is traveling 12*pi (about 38) meters per hour.  The orbiting object covers, using the smallest measure on your behalf, 720*pi (about 2260) meters in 27 hours.  Divide that out and the object is traveling 83 meters per hour.

Which is faster, 38 meters per hour or 83 meters per hour?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1328 on: September 27, 2017, 05:44:08 PM »
Just a hilarious sidebar, even if the moon were half as far as it is, and we used the 200 m in your model for no apparent reason, it would cover 1250 m in 27 hours, for a speed of 46 meters per hour, which is STILL faster than the 38 meters per hour of your carousel.  You can't even win when you cheat lol!

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1329 on: September 27, 2017, 06:01:48 PM »
Just a hilarious sidebar, even if the moon were half as far as it is, and we used the 200 m in your model for no apparent reason, it would cover 1250 m in 27 hours, for a speed of 46 meters per hour, which is STILL faster than the 38 meters per hour of your carousel.  You can't even win when you cheat lol!


And....

The said spherical object in the illustration provided is 200 metres away so the actual velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant  as the angular velocity of the said carousel is 27 times greater than the said spherical object meaning in simple terms that the carousel will revolve 27 times in the time it takes the said spherical object to do one revolution around the carousel.

It doesn't matter what bollocks you come out with you heliocentric's only fool the stupid gullable and inferior with your nonsense ; these said people are not influential  and any normal person will see your heliocentric model to be false.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1330 on: September 27, 2017, 06:17:16 PM »
...the actual velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant...
Except when you are making claims about which is faster, at which point actual velocity is pretty relevant.


Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1331 on: September 27, 2017, 06:28:30 PM »
...the actual velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant...
Except when you are making claims about which is faster, at which point actual velocity is pretty relevant.

You are incorrect.

I used the word faster to simplify my explanation.

As you are a typical deceptive Heliocentric you used this as a form of misdirection.

As is typical of your kind you underestimate the intelligence of normal people don't be nieve ; posts like yours expose you and your brethren for exactly what and who you are .

Thank you.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 06:32:33 PM by Resistance.is.Futile »

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1332 on: September 27, 2017, 06:30:49 PM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense. It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East. The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon .

http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I chose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why So

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one Part two

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video above clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .



The image demonstrates that the light is clearly evenly distributed around the Sun and that there is no object such as the Moon in front of the sun .

The pattern demonstrated on the image provided shows what would be expected if the sun was that shape .

The video shows there is no sign of your invisible disappearing and reappearing Magic Moon .

The deviation from the perfect circle of light around the Sun is what should be expected as the Sun was a waning crescent at the time of the said image that was taken from the video provided .

If a solid object such as the Moon was obstructing the Sun during the Solar Eclipse  there would be little to no light coming from the Sun on the side of the said obstruction .

The image provided doesn't show this as it shows an even distribution of light all around the Sun .

It would also be an impossible coincidence for scattered light to form the correct pattern of evenly distributed light for the Eclipsed Sun as demonstrated in the video provided .

On your heliocentric model the light is allegedly scattered in space and the Shadow is caused by your Magic Moon .

As light in space travels in straight lines we would not be able to observe the pattern of light demonstrated in the video provided earlier if your heliocentric model is correct .

Here is another video that goes into great detail regarding the Solar eclipse.

The video provided also shows pictures taken during the eclipse that show very strange orb like shadows .

The narrator has determined that this is down to the black hole Sun obstructing the Sun .

He also claims that these small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of is what is causing the strange shadows that have been photographed during the eclipse and shown in the video .

He also constructs a 3D model using a simulation that displays what we should of observed during the Eclipse if your Heliocentric model is correct .

There is a huge difference between what was observed during the eclipse and what should of been observed if your heliocentric model was correct .

The video :





The video below shows the small orbs that the Black Hole Sun is constructed of in front of the Sun ; the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft and it also shows these orbs projected onto the ground the said image was taken from eye level about 180 cm the two images combined verify that these small orbs cause the Solar Eclipse and that these small orbs amalgamate to form the Black Hole Sun.

The images where taken from an high altitude aircraft  this video proves it is not the Moon that eclipses the Sun it is the Black Hole Sun.

The video's:





In the image below provided by NASA  it doesn't show the umbra /penumbra it shows one huge shadow it is certainly bigger than 70 miles wide.

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This image from NASA proves your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality.

The alleged shadow cast on Jupiter shown in the video below is about the same size as your imaginary Globe and NOT 70 miles wide .

The video below also highlights some of the many contradictions regarding the Heliocentric model.




The alleged ability of the Heliocentric model to predict eclipses is NO form of validation for the said model as the Ancient Babylonian's believed in the same flat Earth model that is generally accepted today and could accurately predict eclipses using the Saros cycle as NASA still do to this day.

NASA have retrofitted their mathematics to the Saros cycle so they can claim it is unique to them.

These many contradictions show your model is pure fabrication and doesn't match the reality that has been observed and verified as such your ridiculous Heliocentric model is both unacceptable and impossible.


The Black Hole Sun is the cause of the Solar Eclipse and not the Moon.

Heliocentric's are delusional and inferior to debate your ridiculous model with me is pure folly.

I hope you all enjoy this Flat Earth nursery rhyme it is one of my favourites twinkle twinkle little star.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.


Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1333 on: September 27, 2017, 06:39:14 PM »
...the actual velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant...
Except when you are making claims about which is faster, at which point actual velocity is pretty relevant.

I used the word faster to simplify my explanation.

You used the word "faster" because you were claiming the Earth spins faster than the Moon orbits.  The Moon, however, travels at approximately 3600 kph, while the Earth (at the equator) is toddling along at a mere 1600 kph. 

It should be obvious that the Moon is the faster of the two, and in the event that the Moon should block the light of the Sun, the shadow will move from West to East, as that is the direction the Moon is, in fact, travelling (again, faster than the Earth's spin).


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frenat

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1334 on: September 27, 2017, 06:43:31 PM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

Light travels in straight lines .

The above contradict each other.  The Moon only has to travel about 3,000 miles for its shadow to cross the USA.  If you were correct about it having to travel 190,000 miles then the shadow would be coming from different angles.  But I'm betting you know that and are just trolling.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1335 on: September 27, 2017, 07:50:21 PM »
<Repeating an excessively long, but trite, post again and again doesn't make it true. Are you trying to emulate sandokhan? It doesn't work for him, either.>

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

That "eight days left" expired more than five weeks ago when the eclipse happened exactly as predicted by the heliocentric solar system and ellipsoidal earth models.

Have you found any of these threatened [::)] high altitude weather balloon videos showing the moon is not eclipsing the sun yet?
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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rabinoz

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1336 on: September 27, 2017, 08:11:16 PM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.
Tough luck, nobody cares what you find is unsatisfactory!
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No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.
<< repeatedly disproven rubbish omitted >>
Oops sorry, there's nothing left after your repeatedly disproven rubbish has been omitted - too bad, at least it saves time.

Try some new rubbish Mr Deception.is.Futile we're getting bored with the old "disproven rubbish".

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1337 on: September 28, 2017, 12:20:19 AM »
Your explanation is a nonsense.
No it isn't. And again, STOP JUST SAYING THAT!
You need to show why, you need to show what is wrong with my explanation, and just saying something is wrong is not showing that.


Why not ?
The model provided was only used as an illustration.
I explained why not.
If you are attempting to make a scale model, it needs to be closer to 400 m.
By putting it at 200 m you are making a not to scale model, no better than the one I already provided.
By making it 200 m instead of 400 m, but keeping the orbital period the same, you reduce the velocity of the moon by a factor of 2.
But don't worry, the 1.8/24 m/hr velocity of the moon in this model is still greater than the 1.6/24 m/hr velocity of the Earth at the equator and thus the shadow still moves west to east, just much slower.

One can imagine the shadow cast by the said spherical object with a diameter of 3 metres onto the carousel .
The shadow would be atleast the same size as the said spherical object as it is impossible for any object to cast a shadow smaller than itself.
Firstly, this isn't explaining what is wrong with my explanation.
Yes it is ; you Heliocentrics claim that the shadow obsered in reality is 32 times smaller than the object that you claim is casting the said shadow.
You might want to learn what an explanation is.
Simply claiming the opposite is not an explanation.
Saying a shadow can't be smaller than the object casting it is not an explanation.
You need to explain why it can't be.

Did you notice how instead of me just saying that it can be, I explained how it can be and gave examples?

And no, us who accept reality say the umbra is much smaller than the moon, as you would expect, the penumbra is much larger.

So can you show that the umbra for an object must be larger than the object?

This is absolute bollocks anyone that has seen a shadow will be able to verify that the shadow is consistent in the fact that it represents the object blocking the light.
Represents to some regard, not perfectly.
People that have seen shadows will notice that one the shadow is distant from the object you can start losing the finer details of the object. This can make a shadow of a sign appear while the shadow of the post it is attached to is missing.

And again, saying it is bollocks is not explaining, it is just baselessly asserting crap.

The antumbra is the region in which all light from the source is blocked.
So on your model you claim that only 3% of the objects size is blocking the light as the alleged antumbra is only 70 miles.
My bad, that was meant to say umbra, not antumbra.
The size of the umbra will vary.
Right at the object, the umbra will be pretty much the size of the object. But as you move away, the umbra will decrease or increase in size depending on if the object is larger or smaller than the light source. I already explained this.

This doesn't mean only 3% of the object is blocking the light.

This is ridiculous and impossible.
Yes, your strawman is ridiculous and impossible. If the object is opaque, then far more than 3% will be blocking the light.

Your attempt to use that nonsense claim to refute my argument is also ridiculous. No where did I indicate that only 3% is blocking the light.

Anyone that can be arsed to watch your video of the drone or has observed a shadow in reality will be able to determine  that these antumbra umbra and penumbra that you speak of are absolute bollocks.
And there you go again with pathetic dismissals rather than an actual explanation.

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to appear to move faster than the carousel is revolving.
I have already addressed this, NUMEROUS TIMES!!

So I will just copy what I said in my previous post:
Do the math.
Here is the simple version, which underestimates how much the shadow moves. Because the shadow is further away from the moon, if the moon moves 1 m, the shadow has to move more than 1 m but this is simpler, where we assume this extra bit is negligible so if the moon moves 1 m, the shadow does as well.

The moon, over the course of 1 hour (reality, not your model) has moved ~3600 km. As this is a very small portion of its orbit, by the small angle approximation this corresponds to the linear distance the moon has moved. Thus the shadow will have moved 3600 km to the east.
Meanwhile, Earth below (with its equator moving at ~1600 km per hour) will be turning such that the equator, the part which moves the most, will have moved 1600 km (and this is now a more significant portion of its circular path and thus this will be more of an over estimate than the 3600 km for the moon).
This means relative to a person on the surface of Earth, who has moved 1600 km while the moon's shadow moved 3600 km, both to the east, the moon's shadow will appear to have moved 2000 km to the east.


So no, even with it taking 27 hours to do an orbit, its shadow appears to move faster than the point on the carousel.

In order to claim otherwise, you need to explain how 1600 is greater than 3600.

Stop acting like angular momentum is the same as linear momentum.

The object will not always be directly out from its shadow.

Do you need another picture to show that?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1338 on: September 28, 2017, 12:27:40 AM »

I will reiterate the fact regarding my last post that :

As the carousel only takes one hour to do a full revolution and the said spherical object takes 27 hours to do one full orbit of the carousel it is impossible for the shadow cast by the said spherical object to move faster than the carousel is revolving.

If the edge of the carousel is 40 feet from the center, and takes one hour to do a revolution, than it is moving at 80*pi (about 250) feet per hour. 

If the spherical object is 2400 feet from the center of the carousel, and takes 27 hours to do one full orbit, then it is traveling 4600*pi (about 14,450) feet every 27 hours.  Divide the distance traveled (14,450) by the amount of hours (27) to get it's speed of 535 feet per hour.

Which is faster, 250 feet per hour, or 535 feet per hour?

Your qoute is taken out of context and as such is just designed to confuse the stupid gullable and inferior.

Anyone that is telling the truth or even thinks they are telling the truth have no  need to employ the methods of misdirection.
No, the quote is taken in context with an explanation showing why you are wrong.

If you were telling the truth you wouldn't need to blatantly lie like this to and pretend you were taken out of context.

The fact of the matter is that the said spherical object used in the model provided as an illustration is 200 m away from the carousel so anyone with half a brain can detemine that the actuAl velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant regarding the rotational velocity of the said carousel.
But that is not the issue. The issue is the velocity of its shadow (including the velocity relative to it). That will depend upon its velocity.

The said spherical object in the illustration provided is 200 metres away so the actual velocity of the said spherical object is irrelevant  as the angular velocity of the said carousel is 27 times greater than the said spherical object meaning in simple terms that the carousel will revolve 27 times in the time it takes the said spherical object to do one revolution around the carousel.
And this tells us nothing about the speed of the shadow, which is what is important.

And again, repeating the same refuted garbage wont magically make you correct.

You need to deal with the refutations first, and simply dismissing them as unsatisfactory is not showing them to be wrong and thus the refutation still stands and your claims are still just a pile of shit.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1339 on: September 28, 2017, 12:38:00 AM »
Here is the picture, just for you:

I know, it's not to scale, but you indicated that doesn't matter.
On the left we have a sun which is some distance away, on the right it is effectively infinitely far away.

The purples lines are construction lines.
Notice how the shadow is not always directly towards the centre of the object?
Notice how the shadow can move with a faster angular velocity as measured from the centre of Earth than the moon is moving?

Now do you understand why your argument is pure crap?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1340 on: September 28, 2017, 12:41:19 AM »
<Repeating an excessively long, but trite, post again and again doesn't make it true. Are you trying to emulate sandokhan? It doesn't work for him, either.>

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

That "eight days left" expired more than five weeks ago when the eclipse happened exactly as predicted by the heliocentric solar system and ellipsoidal earth models.

Have you found any of these threatened [::)] high altitude weather balloon videos showing the moon is not eclipsing the sun yet?

I suggest you read this post again.

You should pay particular attention to the part that says " the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft "

You REtards do not have the ability to address the points raised in this post because they are true.

And you will look just as deceptive and stupid as you do trying to describe the west to east motion of the shadow cast by the Black whole Sun during the Solar Eclipse.

Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense. It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East. The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon .

http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I chose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why So

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one Part two

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video above clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .



The image demonstrates that the light is clearly evenly distributed around the Sun and that there is no object such as the Moon in front of the sun .

The pattern demonstrated on the image provided shows what would be expected if the sun was that shape .

The video shows there is no sign of your invisible disappearing and reappearing Magic Moon .

The deviation from the perfect circle of light around the Sun is what should be expected as the Sun was a waning crescent at the time of the said image that was taken from the video provided .

If a solid object such as the Moon was obstructing the Sun during the Solar Eclipse  there would be little to no light coming from the Sun on the side of the said obstruction .

The image provided doesn't show this as it shows an even distribution of light all around the Sun .

It would also be an impossible coincidence for scattered light to form the correct pattern of evenly distributed light for the Eclipsed Sun as demonstrated in the video provided .

On your heliocentric model the light is allegedly scattered in space and the Shadow is caused by your Magic Moon .

As light in space travels in straight lines we would not be able to observe the pattern of light demonstrated in the video provided earlier if your heliocentric model is correct .

Here is another video that goes into great detail regarding the Solar eclipse.

The video provided also shows pictures taken during the eclipse that show very strange orb like shadows .

The narrator has determined that this is down to the black hole Sun obstructing the Sun .

He also claims that these small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of is what is causing the strange shadows that have been photographed during the eclipse and shown in the video .

He also constructs a 3D model using a simulation that displays what we should of observed during the Eclipse if your Heliocentric model is correct .

There is a huge difference between what was observed during the eclipse and what should of been observed if your heliocentric model was correct .

The video :





The video below shows the small orbs that the Black Hole Sun is constructed of in front of the Sun ; the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft and it also shows these orbs projected onto the ground the said image was taken from eye level about 180 cm the two images combined verify that these small orbs cause the Solar Eclipse and that these small orbs amalgamate to form the Black Hole Sun.

The images where taken from an high altitude aircraft  this video proves it is not the Moon that eclipses the Sun it is the Black Hole Sun.

The video's:





In the image below provided by NASA  it doesn't show the umbra /penumbra it shows one huge shadow it is certainly bigger than 70 miles wide.

:

This image from NASA proves your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality.

The alleged shadow cast on Jupiter shown in the video below is about the same size as your imaginary Globe and NOT 70 miles wide .

The video below also highlights some of the many contradictions regarding the Heliocentric model.




The alleged ability of the Heliocentric model to predict eclipses is NO form of validation for the said model as the Ancient Babylonian's believed in the same flat Earth model that is generally accepted today and could accurately predict eclipses using the Saros cycle as NASA still do to this day.

NASA have retrofitted their mathematics to the Saros cycle so they can claim it is unique to them.

These many contradictions show your model is pure fabrication and doesn't match the reality that has been observed and verified as such your ridiculous Heliocentric model is both unacceptable and impossible.


The Black Hole Sun is the cause of the Solar Eclipse and not the Moon.

Heliocentric's are delusional and inferior to debate your ridiculous model with me is pure folly.

I hope you all enjoy this Flat Earth nursery rhyme it is one of my favourites twinkle twinkle little star.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1341 on: September 28, 2017, 01:17:19 AM »
You REtards do not have the ability to address the points raised in this post because they are true.
We have addressed your points. You are the one failing to address ours and feeling the need to repeatedly ignore our points and just repeat the same bulslhit again and again.


And you will look just as deceptive and stupid as you do trying to describe the west to east motion of the shadow cast by the Black whole Sun during the Solar Eclipse.
You mean the expected west to east motion of the shadow of the moon, moving as the HC model predicts?

Your explanation is unsatisfactory.
No it wasn't. If it was you would have clearly explained what is wrong with it. Instead all you can do is repeatedly assert the same baseless bullshit ignoring the arguments presented.

That shows you know there is nothing wrong with my explanation and you only find it unsatisfactory because it refutes your BS.

Go back, read what I have said, quote the part you think is wrong and explain exactly why it is wrong.
Don't just go off on a tangent spouting BS, don't just say it is wrong, EXPLAIN WHAT IS WRONG!!

That also means if there is an argument presented with premises and conclusions that follow you need to show why the premise is wrong or why the premise doesn't lead to the conclusion.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1342 on: September 28, 2017, 01:20:59 AM »

Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense. It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East. The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon .

http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I chose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why So

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one Part two

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video above clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .



The image demonstrates that the light is clearly evenly distributed around the Sun and that there is no object such as the Moon in front of the sun .

The pattern demonstrated on the image provided shows what would be expected if the sun was that shape .

The video shows there is no sign of your invisible disappearing and reappearing Magic Moon .

The deviation from the perfect circle of light around the Sun is what should be expected as the Sun was a waning crescent at the time of the said image that was taken from the video provided .

If a solid object such as the Moon was obstructing the Sun during the Solar Eclipse  there would be little to no light coming from the Sun on the side of the said obstruction .

The image provided doesn't show this as it shows an even distribution of light all around the Sun .

It would also be an impossible coincidence for scattered light to form the correct pattern of evenly distributed light for the Eclipsed Sun as demonstrated in the video provided .

On your heliocentric model the light is allegedly scattered in space and the Shadow is caused by your Magic Moon .

As light in space travels in straight lines we would not be able to observe the pattern of light demonstrated in the video provided earlier if your heliocentric model is correct .

Here is another video that goes into great detail regarding the Solar eclipse.

The video provided also shows pictures taken during the eclipse that show very strange orb like shadows .

The narrator has determined that this is down to the black hole Sun obstructing the Sun .

He also claims that these small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of is what is causing the strange shadows that have been photographed during the eclipse and shown in the video .

He also constructs a 3D model using a simulation that displays what we should of observed during the Eclipse if your Heliocentric model is correct .

There is a huge difference between what was observed during the eclipse and what should of been observed if your heliocentric model was correct .

The video :





The video below shows the small orbs that the Black Hole Sun is constructed of in front of the Sun ; the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft and it also shows these orbs projected onto the ground the said image was taken from eye level about 180 cm the two images combined verify that these small orbs cause the Solar Eclipse and that these small orbs amalgamate to form the Black Hole Sun.

The images where taken from an high altitude aircraft  this video proves it is not the Moon that eclipses the Sun it is the Black Hole Sun.

The video's:





In the image below provided by NASA  it doesn't show the umbra /penumbra it shows one huge shadow it is certainly bigger than 70 miles wide.

:

This image from NASA proves your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality.

The alleged shadow cast on Jupiter shown in the video below is about the same size as your imaginary Globe and NOT 70 miles wide .

The video below also highlights some of the many contradictions regarding the Heliocentric model.




The alleged ability of the Heliocentric model to predict eclipses is NO form of validation for the said model as the Ancient Babylonian's believed in the same flat Earth model that is generally accepted today and could accurately predict eclipses using the Saros cycle as NASA still do to this day.

NASA have retrofitted their mathematics to the Saros cycle so they can claim it is unique to them.

These many contradictions show your model is pure fabrication and doesn't match the reality that has been observed and verified as such your ridiculous Heliocentric model is both unacceptable and impossible.


The Black Hole Sun is the cause of the Solar Eclipse and not the Moon.

Heliocentric's are delusional and inferior to debate your ridiculous model with me is pure folly.

I hope you all enjoy this Flat Earth nursery rhyme it is one of my favourites twinkle twinkle little star.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1343 on: September 28, 2017, 01:28:49 AM »
Have you found any of these threatened [::)] high altitude weather balloon videos showing the moon is not eclipsing the sun yet?
<< try again >>
Repeatedly posting the same debunked rubbish is a waste of time.

But it is totally untrue to claim that the exact timing and path of an eclipse can be determined only from saris cycles.
If you think you can, please show exactly how that has been done for the most recent eclipse.

If you cannot do this we will know you have been deceiving us all along with totally false claims.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1344 on: September 28, 2017, 01:34:09 AM »
<< incorrect rubbish deleted >>

No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.

<< incorrect rubbish deleted >>
Your response in unsatisfactory.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1345 on: September 28, 2017, 02:58:59 AM »
Have you found any of these threatened [::)] high altitude weather balloon videos showing the moon is not eclipsing the sun yet?
<< try again >>
Repeatedly posting the same debunked rubbish is a waste of time.

But it is totally untrue to claim that the exact timing and path of an eclipse can be determined only from saris cycles.
If you think you can, please show exactly how that has been done for the most recent eclipse.

If you cannot do this we will know you have been deceiving us all along with totally false claims.

You have not debated my thread with any form of viable logical explanation.

You have yet to address the points raised regarding the Black whole Sun.

You have yet to address the photographic evidence taken from the high altitude aircraft during the Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17 of the small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of.

You have yet to address the photographic evidence of the small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of that where projected onto the ground during the Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17

Until you address the many points raised I will keep reposting .

Your explanation is unsatisfactory.



No. I am correct. You have reapeatedly failed to show anything wrong with any argument that has been presented against you. Instead you just dismiss it as unacceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense. It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East. The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon .

http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I chose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why So

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one Part two

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video above clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .



The image demonstrates that the light is clearly evenly distributed around the Sun and that there is no object such as the Moon in front of the sun .

The pattern demonstrated on the image provided shows what would be expected if the sun was that shape .

The video shows there is no sign of your invisible disappearing and reappearing Magic Moon .

The deviation from the perfect circle of light around the Sun is what should be expected as the Sun was a waning crescent at the time of the said image that was taken from the video provided .

If a solid object such as the Moon was obstructing the Sun during the Solar Eclipse  there would be little to no light coming from the Sun on the side of the said obstruction .

The image provided doesn't show this as it shows an even distribution of light all around the Sun .

It would also be an impossible coincidence for scattered light to form the correct pattern of evenly distributed light for the Eclipsed Sun as demonstrated in the video provided .

On your heliocentric model the light is allegedly scattered in space and the Shadow is caused by your Magic Moon .

As light in space travels in straight lines we would not be able to observe the pattern of light demonstrated in the video provided earlier if your heliocentric model is correct .

Here is another video that goes into great detail regarding the Solar eclipse.

The video provided also shows pictures taken during the eclipse that show very strange orb like shadows .

The narrator has determined that this is down to the black hole Sun obstructing the Sun .

He also claims that these small orbs that the black hole Sun is constructed of is what is causing the strange shadows that have been photographed during the eclipse and shown in the video .

He also constructs a 3D model using a simulation that displays what we should of observed during the Eclipse if your Heliocentric model is correct .

There is a huge difference between what was observed during the eclipse and what should of been observed if your heliocentric model was correct .

The video :





The video below shows the small orbs that the Black Hole Sun is constructed of in front of the Sun ; the said image was taken from a high altitude aircraft and it also shows these orbs projected onto the ground the said image was taken from eye level about 180 cm the two images combined verify that these small orbs cause the Solar Eclipse and that these small orbs amalgamate to form the Black Hole Sun.

The images where taken from an high altitude aircraft  this video proves it is not the Moon that eclipses the Sun it is the Black Hole Sun.

The video's:





In the image below provided by NASA  it doesn't show the umbra /penumbra it shows one huge shadow it is certainly bigger than 70 miles wide.

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This image from NASA proves your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality.

The alleged shadow cast on Jupiter shown in the video below is about the same size as your imaginary Globe and NOT 70 miles wide .

The video below also highlights some of the many contradictions regarding the Heliocentric model.




The alleged ability of the Heliocentric model to predict eclipses is NO form of validation for the said model as the Ancient Babylonian's believed in the same flat Earth model that is generally accepted today and could accurately predict eclipses using the Saros cycle as NASA still do to this day.

NASA have retrofitted their mathematics to the Saros cycle so they can claim it is unique to them.

These many contradictions show your model is pure fabrication and doesn't match the reality that has been observed and verified as such your ridiculous Heliocentric model is both unacceptable and impossible.


The Black Hole Sun is the cause of the Solar Eclipse and not the Moon.

Heliocentric's are delusional and inferior to debate your ridiculous model with me is pure folly.

I hope you all enjoy this Flat Earth nursery rhyme it is one of my favourites twinkle twinkle little star.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

« Last Edit: September 28, 2017, 03:01:26 AM by Resistance.is.Futile »

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1346 on: September 28, 2017, 03:01:10 AM »
Is spamming not against forum rules here? Seriously?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1347 on: September 28, 2017, 03:03:12 AM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.
Again, show how it is unsatisfactory.
Show exactly what is wrong with it.

And stop repeating the same refuted BS.

If it is getting to hard we can try and simplify it for you and discuss one issue at a time, bit by bit.

What do you want to start with?
The size of the umbra, or the motion of the shadow?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1348 on: September 28, 2017, 03:13:07 AM »
Is spamming not against forum rules here? Seriously?
Just possibly Deception.is.Futile's puppet master is immune from such mundane things as rules.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #1349 on: September 28, 2017, 03:22:04 AM »
Your explanation is unsatisfactory.
Again, show how it is unsatisfactory.
Show exactly what is wrong with it.

And stop repeating the same refuted BS.

If it is getting to hard we can try and simplify it for you and discuss one issue at a time, bit by bit.

What do you want to start with?
The size of the umbra, or the motion of the shadow?

I have already debunked this nonsense you speak of.

It is now time for you to address the points I raised above.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.