Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

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The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

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What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanations are NOT Acceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 

Quote from: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:34:51 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>

What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 

Again, a whole lot of hand waving without a cogent argument and no analytical solution.  You post is a bunch of your interpretation and opinion..nothing more.

Mike

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:34:51 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>

What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 

Again, a whole lot of hand waving without a cogent argument and no analytical solution.  You post is a bunch of your interpretation and opinion..nothing more.

Mike

No Incorrect

My post is Fact.

Your posts are spam.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It is not me that has angular velocity and linear velocity confused.

I'm the one that highlighted the fact that some of your Heliocentric brethren think angular velocity can be measured in mph when in actual fact angular velocity is measured in radians  and it is linear velocity that can be measured in mph.

I certainly did not say thst, and your whole argument was based on the confusion over angular and linear velocities.
And you repeatedly make statements like

This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.
It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.
As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
. . . . . . ..
So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.

Where you confuse the "Moon's velocity" with the "Earth's rotation" and that is the crux of the whole problem.

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

Quote from: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 06:05:36 AM

I'm pretty sure he meant azimuth and elevation.

I'm pretty sure he said altitude.

Yes, Papa,  I did mistakenly put "altitude" instead "azimuth". Thank you for so graciously pointing it out.

Quote from: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:34:51 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>

What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

I do believe that apart from a mix up between "altitude" and "azimuth" I showed that the moon will be in exactly the right location to be the cause of the eclipse.
Not only that, everyone except you seems to accept the on the Heliocentric Globe or the Flat Earth models the shadow should move from west to east.
If you are still not satisfied I can present it again in more detail and refer you to numerous more videos to that effect.
You seem very much on your own on these issues!

And, whatever you may think, I have simply tried to present what I know to be the facts, but in the end neither your views nor mine matter.
And we have been, however imperfectly,  trying our best to do that and nothing but that!
So the most the "Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk" is your incorrect interpretation of the explanation for "the Globe", nothing more!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 06:09:30 AM

It is not me that has angular velocity and linear velocity confused.

I'm the one that highlighted the fact that some of your Heliocentric brethren think angular velocity can be measured in mph when in actual fact angular velocity is measured in radians  and it is linear velocity that can be measured in mph.

I certainly did not say thst, and your whole argument was based on the confusion over angular and linear velocities.
And you repeatedly make statements like

Quote

This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.
It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.
As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
. . . . . . ..
So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.

Where you confuse the "Moon's velocity" with the "Earth's rotation" and that is the crux of the whole problem.

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is you and your brethren that are deliberately trying to  confuse people.

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

Which will be proven in eight days time.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss" 

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

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If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not

Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss" 

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

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If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not

I do not find this acceptable.

You have failed to lay down any criteria regarding what will be considered as proof.

This criteria will have to be agreed upon by both parties in order for it to be considered satisfactory.

I have already proved the Solar Eclipse doesn't work on your model all you Heliocentrics do is unconvincingly try and explain it away with nonsense.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 13, 2017, 07:19:38 AM

Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss" 

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

--------------------------------

If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not

I do not find this acceptable.

You have failed to lay down any criteria regarding what will be considered as proof.

This criteria will have to be agreed upon by both parties in order for it to be considered satisfactory.

I have already proved the Solar Eclipse doesn't work on your model all you Heliocentrics do is unconvincingly try and explain it away with nonsense.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

The only thing you've proven is you don't understand how an eclipse works.
You just keep reposting the same nonsense.

I do not find this acceptable.

Another TM-ish line from Ignorance.is.Bliss. 

Alright, both sides must agree on what will be regarded as proof.

If the high altitude videos show the moon covering the sun instead of a black sun??

If this black sun follows the predicted path of the moon??

Quote from: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 06:32:49 AM

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

I have never claimed that "the Moons Shadow . . . moves in the opposite direction to the Moon."
The moon orbits the earth from west-to-east, the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east and the earth rotates from west-to-east.
So, no problem .
But right from the beginning you've proven that you try to confuse "actual" velocity and "angular velocity " as in

The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."

and you keep on with silly confusion of "angular velocity" and "actual velocity"

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

You are the one causing total confusion by never defining what you really mean by "actual velocity".
By "actual velocity" do you mean "angular velocity" or do you mean "linear or tangential velocity", beause your wording "actual velocity" is ambiguous and possibly intentionally so.

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculster those velocities in

.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 10⁶ = 4.876 x 10⁶ m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10^-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 10⁶ x 7.272 x 10^-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 10⁰⁸ m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10^-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 10⁰⁸ x 2.463 x 10^-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

Since the shadow velocity from west-to-east is greate than the earth's surface velocity the shadow should appear to move from west-to-east.
Now answer that Mr Resistance.is.Futile.

Which will be proven in eight days time.

Yes, Mr Resistance.is.Futile, it will be proven in eight days time that NASA and all the other Heliocentric Globe predictions were all correct.

End of story!

Here's an interesting math challenge about high-speed trains.

Train A passes point A traveling towards Train B, which is already in motion at a distance of 2,436 miles away.

Train A will take 77 minutes to travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B, which is traveling at 1037 MPH.

How far does Train A travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B?
How fast is Train A traveling?

 

Here's an interesting math challenge about high-speed trains.

Train A passes point A traveling towards Train B, which is already in motion at a distance of 2,436 miles away.

Train A will take 77 minutes to travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B, which is traveling at 1037 MPH.

How far does Train A travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B?
How fast is Train A traveling?

 

the question Analysis
How far does train B travel in 77 minutes at 1037 MPH  (1037 / 60 ) * 77 = 1330.81666641
That leaves train A  to travel 2,436 - 1,330.81666641 =( 1105.1833333333 / 77 ) * 60 =  861.181818 MPH

How far does Train A travel 1105.1833333333
How fast is Train A traveling 861.181818 MPH

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

"Again"??

Quote from: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 13, 2017, 07:19:38 AM

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

"Again"??

Why take him seriously when he cannot do that to himself?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 07:05:33 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 06:32:49 AM

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

I have never claimed that "the Moons Shadow . . . moves in the opposite direction to the Moon."
The moon orbits the earth from west-to-east, the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east and the earth rotates from west-to-east.
So, no problem .
But right from the beginning you've proven that you try to confuse "actual" velocity and "angular velocity " as in

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 03:03:43 AM

The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."

and you keep on with silly confusion of "angular velocity" and "actual velocity"

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:17:54 PM

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

You are the one causing total confusion by never defining what you really mean by "actual velocity".
By "actual velocity" do you mean "angular velocity" or do you mean "linear or tangential velocity", beause your wording "actual velocity" is ambiguous and possibly intentionally so.

And hence, I insist that you immediatly clarify this issue.

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculster those velocities in

Quote from: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 06:49:17 PM

.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 10⁶ = 4.876 x 10⁶ m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10^-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 10⁶ x 7.272 x 10^-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 10⁰⁸ m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10^-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 10⁰⁸ x 2.463 x 10^-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

Since the shadow velocity from west-to-east is greate than the earth's surface velocity the shadow should appear to move from west-to-east.
Now answer that Mr Resistance.is.Futile.

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Which will be proven in eight days time.

Yes, Mr Resistance.is.Futile, it will be proven in eight days time that NASA and all the other Heliocentric Globe predictions were all correct.

End of story!

There is nothing ambiguous about the word actual when someone has wrote the words actual  and angular in the same paragraph describing to different types of motion it is obvious to any normal person what they mean.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system. 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself. 

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one 



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
   

Copying and pasting the same nonsense over and over does not make it any less false.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculated those velocities in

Quote from: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 06:49:17 PM

.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 10⁶ = 4.876 x 10⁶ m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10^-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 10⁶ x 7.272 x 10^-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 10⁰⁸ m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10^-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 10⁰⁸ x 2.463 x 10^-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

There is nothing ambiguous about the word actual when someone has wrote the words actual  and angular in the same paragraph describing to different types of motion it is obvious to any normal person what they mean.

I disagree, using "angular" in one place and "actual" in the other is simply confusing, but whatever.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

This is where you are totally wrong! Since the sun is so far away from the moon (about 150,000,000 km)
See in this diagram:if the moon moves up, the shadow moves up by almost (about 0.25% more) the same distance, not angle!

This linear tangential velocity of the moon is about 948 m/s (from above) or 3410 km/hr
and the surface velocity of the earth (in the middle of USA) is about 356 m/s (from above) or 1282km/hr.
So the shadow moves from west-to-east at about 3410 km/hr but the earth is also moving west-to-east at about 1282km/hr.

Hence, the nett velocity of the shadow relative to a position in its path is about 2130 km/hr from west-to-east!
The width of USA along the path of the eclipse is just over 4000 km.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

Untrue! The moon does rise in the east and set in the west, but that is due to the earth's angular velocity being greater than the moon's angular velocity.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky

Of course "the Solar Eclipse is visible in the sky"!

and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

I don't know what you claim this "colleague" said, but what you say is quite wrong.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

That video claims that "The Moon's orbit around the Earth is not possible" and is totally wrong.
You are still totally wrong because you still insist in dredging up rubbish for the trash-can of your neo-Flat Earthism Cult's Temple.

Light travels in straight lines .
The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.
The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Agreed, agreed, agreed!

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Yes, and the moon moves from west-to-east around the earth.
We see the moon rise in the east simply because the angular velocity of the earth's rotation is faster than the angular velocity on the moon in its orbit.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

Yes, the light source (the sun) is directly behind the moon (about 150,000,000 km behind) and the moon moves from west-to-east so the shadow moves from west-to-east! How many time must I say the same thing?

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

Fine, that all looks good to me.

You are fooling no one with your pathetic flat earth nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

OK, but the moon moves from west-to-east,
             the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east faster than the earth's surface moves from west-to-east and so
             the eclipse moves from west-to-east on the earth's surface.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "the moon rises in the East and sets in the west"!

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "the Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes in the East"!

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity."!

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

It is NOT "allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west". We all know that "rises in the east and sets in the west."

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

No! If the If the Moon's angular velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth etc, etc.
But no-one is claiming that it is! I am saying that the linear (or tangential) velocity of the moon (which determines the shadow;s velocity) is faster the linear (or surface) velocity of the earth!
And that is quite a different kettle of fish - as it were!

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model. Wikipedia,
 Solar eclipse
It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.
The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
Wikipedia, Orbit of the Moon
On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon
How do the Sun, The Earth, and the Moon move?

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

You did? Just who is stupid and gullible for believing the rubbish out of the trash-can of your neo-Flat Earthism Cult's Temple.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "It is impossible for an object's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary."!

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

Totally incorrect! I have already explained many many times that
          the moon moves at about 3410 km/hr from west-to-east and hence
          the moon's shadow moves at about 3410 km/hr from west-to-east.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

I couldn't care less how many times you "will tell you again it is impossible" you are still just as incorrect.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Rubbish, the heliocentric Globe model explains solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, sun rises, sunsets, etc, etc very well.
Far better than the model you claim to support!

You are still just as wrong as in the first post of this silly thread!

Part one, Part two

Run away with your silly trash-can videos! Most other people have realised that they are wrong!

These are just a few at "random", not necessarily the best:
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why the Moon's Shadow Moves West to East During a Solar Eclipse, Steven Baumann
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Eclipse Debunks the Globe Earth? Let's make a model. Heath Carmody
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Solar Eclipse Ends Globe? Busted! (Debunk This)
I QUIT FLAT EARTH
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane,
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon jeranism Not about Eclipse.
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More, jeranism Massive thing as are most jeranism's.

The readers will make their own minds up.

Yes they will Mr Resistance.is.Futile!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 14, 2017, 02:32:16 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculated those velocities in

Quote from: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 06:49:17 PM

.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 10⁶ = 4.876 x 10⁶ m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10^-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 10⁶ x 7.272 x 10^-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 10⁰⁸ m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10^-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 10⁰⁸ x 2.463 x 10^-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

There is nothing ambiguous about the word actual when someone has wrote the words actual  and angular in the same paragraph describing to different types of motion it is obvious to any normal person what they mean.

I disagree, using "angular" in one place and "actual" in the other is simply confusing, but whatever.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

This is where you are totally wrong! Since the sun is so far away from the moon (about 150,000,000 km)

the shadow of the moon on the earth moves at almost the same linear velocity as the linear (or tangential) velocity of the moon.

See in this diagram:

if the moon moves up, the shadow moves up by almost (about 0.25% more) the same distance, not angle!

This linear tangential velocity of the moon is about 948 m/s (from above) or 3410 km/hr
and the surface velocity of the earth (in the middle of USA) is about 356 m/s (from above) or 1282km/hr.
So the shadow moves from west-to-east at about 3410 km/hr but the earth is also moving west-to-east at about 1282km/hr.

Hence, the nett velocity of the shadow relative to a position in its path is about 2130 km/hr from west-to-east!
The width of USA along the path of the eclipse is just over 4000 km.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

Untrue! The moon does rise in the east and set in the west, but that is due to the earth's angular velocity being greater than the moon's angular velocity.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky

Of course "the Solar Eclipse is visible in the sky"!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

I don't know what you claim this "colleague" said, but what you say is quite wrong.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

That video claims that "The Moon's orbit around the Earth is not possible" and is totally wrong.
You are still totally wrong because you still insist in dredging up rubbish for the trash-can of your neo-Flat Earthism Cult's Temple.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Light travels in straight lines .
The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.
The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Agreed, agreed, agreed!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Yes, and the moon moves from west-to-east around the earth.
We see the moon rise in the east simply because the angular velocity of the earth's rotation is faster than the angular velocity on the moon in its orbit.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

Yes, the light source (the sun) is directly behind the moon (about 150,000,000 km behind) and the moon moves from west-to-east so the shadow moves from west-to-east! How many time must I say the same thing?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

Fine, that all looks good to me.

You are fooling no one with your pathetic flat earth nonsense.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

OK, but the moon moves from west-to-east,
             the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east faster than the earth's surface moves from west-to-east and so
             the eclipse moves from west-to-east on the earth's surface.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "the moon rises in the East and sets in the west"!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "the Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes in the East"!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity."!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

It is NOT "allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west". We all know that "rises in the east and sets in the west."

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

No! If the If the Moon's angular velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth etc, etc.
But no-one is claiming that it is! I am saying that the linear (or tangential) velocity of the moon (which determines the shadow;s velocity) is faster the linear (or surface) velocity of the earth!
And that is quite a different kettle of fish - as it were!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model. Wikipedia,
 Solar eclipse
It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.
The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
Wikipedia, Orbit of the Moon
On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon
How do the Sun, The Earth, and the Moon move?

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

You did? Just who is stupid and gullible for believing the rubbish out of the trash-can of your neo-Flat Earthism Cult's Temple.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Stop saying the same thing over and over and over! We all know that "It is impossible for an object's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary."!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

Totally incorrect! I have already explained many many times that
          the moon moves at about 3410 km/hr from west-to-east and hence
          the moon's shadow moves at about 3410 km/hr from west-to-east.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

I couldn't care less how many times you "will tell you again it is impossible" you are still just as incorrect.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Rubbish, the heliocentric Globe model explains solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, sun rises, sunsets, etc, etc very well.
Far better than the model you claim to support!

You are still just as wrong as in the first post of this silly thread!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

Part one, Part two

Run away with your silly trash-can videos! Most other people have realised that they are wrong!

These are just a few at "random", not necessarily the best:
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why the Moon's Shadow Moves West to East During a Solar Eclipse, Steven Baumann
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Eclipse Debunks the Globe Earth? Let's make a model. Heath Carmody
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Solar Eclipse Ends Globe? Busted! (Debunk This)
I QUIT FLAT EARTH
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane,
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon jeranism Not about Eclipse.
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More, jeranism Massive thing as are most jeranism's.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

The readers will make their own minds up.

Yes they will Mr Resistance.is.Futile!

Nobody believe's your BS anymore like I said in the other thread your Heliocentric model is as tired and worn out as you.

I think the issue is that it was fabricated hundreds of years ago and just doesn't match the reality that can be observed by everyone.

You should read this again .

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
   

Oh boy! He learnt how to use the sandokan maneuver!

One more time, for the dumbass...

The Moon orbits the Earth counter-clockwise viewed from the north pole.

Guess what? That means the Moon travels around the Earth WEST TO EAST.

The Earth also rotates counter-clockwise, at a faster rate than the moon orbits.

so this means what?

People on earth view the moon traveling east to west.

How are you not getting this? It's been dumbed down as far as it can go, and you STILL need help!

Your Tiny Feeble Mind is OVERLOADED!

Quote from: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:34:51 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

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The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

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What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanations are NOT Acceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 

Yes you keep repeating it.  It's still wrong.  You claim the moon is in the wrong place.  That's it, just a claim.  You claim there are lots of examples of solar eclipses with sun and moon in opposite positions in the sky.
That's it, just a claim.

Nobody [believes] your BS anymore[. Like] I said in the other thread[,] your Heliocentric model is as tired and worn out as you.

Saying it over and over still doesn't make it true.

...
You should read this again .

I did, at least some of it, but it's just a rehash of your old arguments, confusion, and misconceptions... basically "moon orbits from west to east. Therefore its shadow moves from west to east, but the moon rises in the east and sets in the west. I don't understand what any of this means, because, angles 'n' stuff."

Here's how I see this playing out: R.i.F. will be here next week saying "see... the shadow moved across the US from west to east. Therefore the earth cannot be a globe. I win!" Bets?

Resistance.is.futile
I still have not recognize a response to my explanation here it is again please address it directly.
let us take another look at it.
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth. There are other motions to be considered.
all the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
 The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis.
 with a waning moon,  it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a  new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon.  with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 5 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV or cable or  Internet.

Here is the real kicker the stars
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
It is too bad that your location doesn't allow you to see it.
After my cataract surgery I won't be able to see much either.

Nobody believe's your BS anymore like I said in the other thread your Heliocentric model is as tired

if the earth was a Heliocentric Globe in the past it still is a Heliocentric Globe - your ramblings don't alter anything!

and worn out as you.

My being worn out or not has nothing to do with the case. Attacking me won't make your your Pancake Planet fair-Tails into true facts!

I think the issue is that it was fabricated hundreds of years ago and just doesn't match the reality that can be observed by everyone.
You should read this again .
 

We have read is again and again and again and it is still just as much wrong as the first time you spewed it out!

Nobody believes your Pancake Planet fair-Tails anymore like I have said many times the
Heliocentric Globe model just as correct now as
      when Aristarchus of Samos proposed it and
      when Copernicus filled in more  details and
      when Kepler finally came up with a model very close to what is accepted today.

But Mr Resistance.is.Futile if the Heliocentric Globe model fitted observations 300 or 400 years ago, what evidence do you have that changes that.

The earth started as a Heliocentric Globe and will stay as a Heliocentric Globe until it's end, however that might be.

Nothing that you have posted changes that in the slightest.

Carry on carrying Mr FlatEarth.is.Futile.

*garbage*

Oh wow, 42nd time is the charm. I guess you were right all along.

Resistance.is.futile
I still have not recognize a response to my explanation here it is again please address it directly.
let us take another look at it.
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth. There are other motions to be considered.
all the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
 The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis.
 with a waning moon,  it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a  new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon.  with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 5 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV or cable or  Internet.

Here is the real kicker the stars
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February. 
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
It is too bad that your location doesn't allow you to see it.
After my cataract surgery I won't be able to see much either.

There are no such thing as planets.

There is no such thing as a solar system.

There is no such thing as the Globe.

These are are just different aspects of your Heliocentric fairytale.

The Moon rises in roughly the same place every night 

The Moon rise changes by 50 minutes every night.

This does not prove your imaginary globe.

This does not prove the Moon orbits your imaginary globe.


The firmament rotates around the Flat Earth .

The Sun and moon rotate around the Flat Earth.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flattie said "firmament"...

Everybody DRINK!