Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2017, 05:21:02 AM »
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

No incorrect

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

It should be at least 2400 miles wide.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system. 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself. 

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

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The readers will make their own minds up .

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2017, 05:30:31 AM »
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Yes, they will, won't they Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, but I haven't see too many rushing to you aid.

Now, I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

So please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Bye bye, I do hope that you enjoy living in such ignorance, following all you are taught by your High Priests of neo-Flat Earthism Religion

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2017, 05:38:07 AM »
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.
Actually, the moon is orbiting the earth from west to east. 

The reason that it appears to orbit from east to west is, as you keep pointing out, because the earth rotates 27 times faster than the moon.

Remember how I said that some parts of heliocentricity seem counterintuitive?
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2017, 06:39:52 AM »
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

No incorrect

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

It should be at least 2400 miles wide.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Still explaination of how it could work on a flat earth.  Why is that?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #214 on: August 07, 2017, 07:10:03 AM »
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth.
There are other motions to be considered.
1) All the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
2) The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
3) The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis. With a waning moon, it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon. with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be seen as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV, cable or the Internet.
Here is the real kicker the stars.
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #215 on: August 07, 2017, 07:24:44 AM »
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth.
There are other motions to be considered.
1) All the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
2) The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
3) The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis. With a waning moon, it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon. with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be seen as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV, cable or the Internet.
Here is the real kicker the stars.
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February. 
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html
This makes sense in a heliocentric, round earth model.

Is there a FET that explains this phenomenon?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #216 on: August 07, 2017, 07:30:16 AM »
You can look at this strictly from the POV of a person on the earth's surface, without knowing anything about the solar system.

Yes, the moon rises in the East, and sets in the West.  Thing is, so does the sun.  However, the moon goes west across our sky somewhat slower than the sun does.  So as the duration of the eclipse goes on, the sun and moon will be progressively lower and lower in the West, meaning that the shadow will be pointed progressively more and more to the East.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #217 on: August 07, 2017, 09:43:09 AM »
Once again...

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

That's about right.

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It should be at least 2400 miles wide.

Nope. The umbra should be roughly 70 miles wide where it intersects the surface of the earth. This has been explained in detail many times.

Someone else posted that the penumbra will be more than 6000 miles wide. That sounds about right. Do you know the difference between the umbra and penumbra?

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Light travels in straight lines .

That's correct, but not all flat-earthers believe it. Some rely on "bendy light" to cause sunsets and other ordinary phenomena more simply and elegantly explained by a rotating spherical earth and light traveling in straight lines.

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The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Yes, but that second sentence is simply a less-clear restatement of the first.

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An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Sure does. Remember this fact.

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You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed

No one is claiming that. The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because of this, it moves across the sky a little more slowly than the sun.

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this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because, as you just noted, "an object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it", the moon's shadow crossing the earth also moves from west to east.

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<description of earth's angular speed of rotation, which is not an issue>

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense model.

Nope. No foolin' at all. Just the facts.

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It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

This is correct.

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The moon rises in the East and sets in th[e] west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Both of those statements are right. The first occurs because the earth rotates from west to east. The second because the moon crosses in front of the sun from west to east, and the linear velocity of the shadow is roughly 2000 miles/hr from west to east (same direction as the moon is traveling) while points on the surface are rotating from west to east no faster than about 1000 miles/hr.
 
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The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Allegedly? You haven't noticed this for yourself?

Since the moon moves about 1/27 of its orbit in a day, in the same time the earth makes a complete rotation, it takes about 1/27 of a day longer (about 50 minutes) between meridian transits of the moon than meridian transits of the sun. This is well known and easy to see for yourself; note when the moon rises one evening, then see if it rises about 50 minutes later each successive evening.

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If the Moon's [angular] velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

True, as corrected. I suspect this is where your argument is going off the rails, though. You insist on comparing the moon's tangential velocity (distance per unit time) with earth's angular velocity (change of angle per unit time). These are different types of quantities and cannot be compared. Are you doing this intentionally to mislead people, or are you just confused?

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Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Very thoughtful of you, but it's not working well, even after pausing Ghostery (tracker blocker) and enabling flash. It has lots of broken links, too.

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It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Yes, you already said that. As far as I know, no one disagrees. Maybe some of the flat earthers disagree; there's no telling what some of them will believe.

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The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

<irrelevant link>

Nope. All it takes is for the moon to be orbit in the same direction as the earth is rotating, but more slowly.

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So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

So you think repeating something wrong often enough will make it right? It doesn't work that way, and only makes your posts tiresome.

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Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Nope. The heliocentric model of the solar system matches reality quite well. It's your strawman argument that is false.

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<links to youtube videos>

The readers will make their own minds up .

Perhaps. That's why someone always bothers to give rational replies to your incorrect ideas.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #218 on: August 07, 2017, 10:31:20 AM »
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Yes, they will, won't they Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, but I haven't see too many rushing to you aid.

Now, I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

So please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Bye bye, I do hope that you enjoy living in such ignorance, following all you are taught by your High Priests of neo-Flat Earthism Religion

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #219 on: August 07, 2017, 11:10:44 AM »
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #220 on: August 07, 2017, 11:35:46 AM »
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

Incorrect

The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #221 on: August 07, 2017, 11:45:57 AM »
But they could not predict WHERE it will occur, as us globers can to a very precise degree.
You just got Weskered, bitches!

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #222 on: August 07, 2017, 12:02:42 PM »
Once again...

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

That's about right.

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It should be at least 2400 miles wide.

Nope. The umbra should be roughly 70 miles wide where it intersects the surface of the earth. This has been explained in detail many times.

Someone else posted that the penumbra will be more than 6000 miles wide. That sounds about right. Do you know the difference between the umbra and penumbra?

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Light travels in straight lines .

That's correct, but not all flat-earthers believe it. Some rely on "bendy light" to cause sunsets and other ordinary phenomena more simply and elegantly explained by a rotating spherical earth and light traveling in straight lines.

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The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Yes, but that second sentence is simply a less-clear restatement of the first.

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An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Sure does. Remember this fact.

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You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed

No one is claiming that. The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because of this, it moves across the sky a little more slowly than the sun.

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this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because, as you just noted, "an object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it", the moon's shadow crossing the earth also moves from west to east.

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<description of earth's angular speed of rotation, which is not an issue>

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense model.

Nope. No foolin' at all. Just the facts.

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It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

This is correct.

Quote
The moon rises in the East and sets in th[e] west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Both of those statements are right. The first occurs because the earth rotates from west to east. The second because the moon crosses in front of the sun from west to east, and the linear velocity of the shadow is roughly 2000 miles/hr from west to east (same direction as the moon is traveling) while points on the surface are rotating from west to east no faster than about 1000 miles/hr.
 
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The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Allegedly? You haven't noticed this for yourself?

Since the moon moves about 1/27 of its orbit in a day, in the same time the earth makes a complete rotation, it takes about 1/27 of a day longer (about 50 minutes) between meridian transits of the moon than meridian transits of the sun. This is well known and easy to see for yourself; note when the moon rises one evening, then see if it rises about 50 minutes later each successive evening.

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If the Moon's [angular] velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

True, as corrected. I suspect this is where your argument is going off the rails, though. You insist on comparing the moon's tangential velocity (distance per unit time) with earth's angular velocity (change of angle per unit time). These are different types of quantities and cannot be compared. Are you doing this intentionally to mislead people, or are you just confused?

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Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Very thoughtful of you, but it's not working well, even after pausing Ghostery (tracker blocker) and enabling flash. It has lots of broken links, too.

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It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Yes, you already said that. As far as I know, no one disagrees. Maybe some of the flat earthers disagree; there's no telling what some of them will believe.

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The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

<irrelevant link>

Nope. All it takes is for the moon to be orbit in the same direction as the earth is rotating, but more slowly.

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So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

So you think repeating something wrong often enough will make it right? It doesn't work that way, and only makes your posts tiresome.

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Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Nope. The heliocentric model of the solar system matches reality quite well. It's your strawman argument that is false.

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<links to youtube videos>

The readers will make their own minds up .

Perhaps. That's why someone always bothers to give rational replies to your incorrect ideas.

You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.



Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #223 on: August 07, 2017, 12:04:42 PM »
But they could not predict WHERE it will occur, as us globers can to a very precise degree.

Incorrect.

Yes they could

It is the model that your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 12:06:51 PM by Resistance.is.Futile »

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #224 on: August 07, 2017, 12:08:29 PM »
Now, see...

This thread is exactly why I keep returning to this ridiculous society.

Watching a flattie get his ass handed to him repeatedly is cheap entertainment.

Mr. Futile, stay stupid, my friend!
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #225 on: August 07, 2017, 12:11:53 PM »
So they could predict that the total solar eclipse of  August 21, 2017 will occur at 1:27 pm in Nashville, TN; from 2000 years from their future. Like we globers can predict.
You just got Weskered, bitches!

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #226 on: August 07, 2017, 12:17:14 PM »
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

Incorrect

The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
IIUC, the Saros cycle can predict the time by not the location with any accuracy. A heliocentric model is used for that.

However, in FET why do you see different stars during totality than you do at night?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #227 on: August 07, 2017, 12:59:12 PM »
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

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The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Can the Saros cycle predict the size of the moon's shadow? 

Can it predict whether the eclipse will be total, partial or annular?
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #228 on: August 07, 2017, 01:01:05 PM »
Damn Evidence.Is.Futile is smart  :(

Every time we explain things he says we're incorrect.

"Here is some basic geometry."
"Incorrect."
"Angular velocity and linear velocity are different."
"Incorrect."
"2+2=4"
"Incorrect."

He's destroying our arguments left and right.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #229 on: August 07, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.
No, just a bit counterintuitive.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.
Yes.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.
Yes.  How long do you suppose that takes?

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.
Behind actually, but close enough.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .
You guess wrong.  I've already pointed out that the moon travels in its orbit at about 2300 mph, so it would take about an hour and a half.

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.
Why is that a problem?

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.
Maybe you should factor in the earth's rotational velocity as well as the size of the moon's orbit and its orbital velocity. 

It might begin to make sense if you factor in all of the relevant parameters, not just the ones that you want to cherry pick.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Your deliberate obtuseness is tedious.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #230 on: August 07, 2017, 01:48:08 PM »
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.
No, just a bit counterintuitive.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.
Yes.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.
Yes.  How long do you suppose that takes?

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.
Behind actually, but close enough.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .
You guess wrong.  I've already pointed out that the moon travels in its orbit at about 2300 mph, so it would take about an hour and a half.

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.
Why is that a problem?

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.
Maybe you should factor in the earth's rotational velocity as well as the size of the moon's orbit and its orbital velocity. 

It might begin to make sense if you factor in all of the relevant parameters, not just the ones that you want to cherry pick.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Your deliberate obtuseness is tedious.

This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #231 on: August 07, 2017, 01:54:13 PM »
Who said the moon would move across the earth in 90 minutes?

The SHADOW of the moon will transit in that time, not the moon.


Your complete idiocy is astounding!
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #232 on: August 07, 2017, 01:58:27 PM »
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

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If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

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If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

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The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #233 on: August 07, 2017, 01:59:48 PM »
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Edit: Rough calculation 1,500,000 divided by 27(orbit in days) divided by 24(hours in a day)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 02:15:58 PM by Albert Wesker »
You just got Weskered, bitches!

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #234 on: August 07, 2017, 02:08:33 PM »
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Yet again you Heliocentrics fail to understand your own model.

You have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused.

The Earth's alleged rotational velocity at the equator is 1000 mph and drops down to a negligable amount at the North pole.

The Earth's Angular velocity is constant no matter what the POV is on Earth.

It is the Earth's angular velocity that determines what we see in the sky

Watch the stars for an hour and it should be pretty evident that something isn't stationary.

Go stand 6 feet from a motorway and watch the cars pass you at 60 mph.  Then look up at an airliner at 33000 feet as it passes you at 550 mph.  Why does the airplane appear so much slower than the cars?

The answer is that the farther away something is, the farther it has to travel to cover the same angle of your vision.  An object will thus appear slower if its apparent angular speed is less - regardless of true velocity.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #235 on: August 07, 2017, 02:15:34 PM »
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

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If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

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If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

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The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.

You are fooling no one.

How is it possible for the Moon to take 27 days to Orbit the Earth and at the same time only take 90 minutes to cross the USA when the USA is 3000 miles wide.?

I tell you that it is impossible.

You are incorrect the link will help you dense heliocentric's to understand your broken tired old Heliocentric  model.

Keep up the good work. ;)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished. ;D ;D ;D

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #236 on: August 07, 2017, 02:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

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If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

Quote
If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

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The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.

You are fooling no one.

How is it possible for the Moon to take 27 days to Orbit the Earth and at the same time only take 90 minutes to cross the USA when the USA is 3000 miles wide.?

I tell you that it is impossible.

You are incorrect the link will help you dense heliocentric's to understand your broken tired old Heliocentric  model.

Keep up the good work. ;)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished. ;D ;D ;D

Not sure about the 90 minute transit, (time of umbra around 4 hours for full eclipse) but I asked my 4 year old son if he could answer this just to get a gauge of how thick you are. His answer "Because the moon is moving at 2300mph when it passes it front of the sun. That's easy daddy!"

Yep. Ever had your IQ tested futile brain?
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #237 on: August 07, 2017, 03:05:08 PM »
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
You just got Weskered, bitches!

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #238 on: August 07, 2017, 03:10:33 PM »
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.

Let's see!

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You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

OK so far.

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So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .

Oops... that one is wrong!

The moon completes an orbit in 27 days. Its orbit is about 240,000 miles in radius, so the orbit (circumference of a circle with radius 240,000 miles) is about 1,500,000 miles long.

1.5 X 106 miles / 27 days = 55,556 miles/day

55,556 miles/day / (24 hr/day) = 2,315 mi/hr

3000 mi / 2315 mi/hr = 1.3 hr

Time of maximum eclipse on Oregon coast (44.84419°, -124.05350°): 17:15:56.7 UT
Time of maximum eclipse on Carolina coast (33.01413°, -79.44798°): 18:47:43.6 UT

Actual time to cross USA: 1:31:46.9, just over 1.5 hr

Distance between those points: 2497 miles.

Better estimate of time to cross USA: 2497 mi / 2315 mi/hr = 1.08 hr

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The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.

Between one and two hours for the center of the shadow, but OK. It's not a problem, though.

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I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.

Let's go ahead and factor it in, then and see what we get. I'll bet it "stretches" our quick-and-dirty calculated time from 1.1 hours to closer to 1.5 hours.

In the 1.5 hours from the time the axis of the shadow makes landfall in Oregon, that beach in SC rotates eastward by 22.5° (1/16 of a full rotation). At 33° latitude, the radius from the axis of the earth to the surface is about 3,350 miles, meaning it will have rotated 1315 miles eastward, increasing the total path length by about that much.

Better estimate of time to cross USA, including rotation:

T = (2497 mi + 1315 mi) / 2315 mi/hr
 = 3813 mi / 2315 mi/hr
 = 1.6 hr.

Not bad for a back-of-the-envelope calculation. It looks like it makes pretty good sense after all.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #239 on: August 07, 2017, 03:13:24 PM »
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.