Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2017, 10:34:37 AM »
Also leap seconds BY DEFINITION do not mean +1 sec longer day:

When the difference between UTC and UT1 approaches 0.9 seconds, a leap second is added to UTC and to clocks worldwide. By adding an additional second to the time count, our clocks are effectively stopped for that second to give Earth the opportunity to catch up.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2017, 10:35:37 AM »
How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real


???  Why are you trying to derail your own thread?  You seem to do that a lot.
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2017, 10:44:05 AM »
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You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


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Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


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That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

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You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!

Lenght of a day today : 24 hours and 0.57 ms

Lenght of a day at Wednesday, 25 July 1973
24 hours and 2.2120 milliseconds

Where is your claimed +27 seconds longer day ?

Funny people make funny math!

Leap second, not millisecond.

A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »
A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

Glad you've finally come to your senses.
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2017, 10:47:47 AM »
https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It


Yep, as you finally count down the end of 2016, you'll have to make it past 11:59:60, thanks to the addition of an extra 'leap second'.

These leap seconds are added to make up for the fact that Earth's rotation is gradually slowing down, and to make sure that our precise clocks remain in sync with how long a day lasts on Earth.

"This extra second, or leap second, makes it possible to align astronomical time, which is irregular and determined by Earth's rotation, with Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) which is extremely stable and has been determined by atomic clocks since 1967," explained the Paris Observatory in France, which houses the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), responsible for synchronising time.

When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.

"The sequence of dates of the UTC second markers will be: 2016 December 31 23h 59m 59s, 2016 December 31 23h 59m 60s, 2017 January 1, 0h 0m 0s," the IERS website states.

A leap second was added last year at the end of June, and it's usually done either in the middle or at the end of the year, because our poor old technology can't handle slotting the extra second in anywhere else.


So why do we need leap seconds at all? An astronomical day is marked by how long it takes Earth to spin on its axis, and this isn't as reliable as you might think.

Earth's rotation fluctuates slightly year to year, sometimes getting longer, sometimes shorter. Overall, it's gradually slowing down ever so slightly as a result of the Moon's tidal pull acting like a brake on our planet.

The spin is also influenced by geological events such as strong earthquakes, and even the freezing and melting of ice sheets.

As the planet spins slower, astronomical time gradually falls out of sync with atomic time (TAI), which is measured here on Earth by nearly 400 super-accurate atomic clocks.

"As a result, sometimes we need to add an extra second to our clocks, because Earth's rotation is slowing down by two-thousandths of a second every day," Signe Dean explained for us last year.

This is also the same reason that we add leap days to certain years. And if you thought 2016 felt extra long, then, you're right, because this year had a leap day as well as getting an extra leap second. 
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2017, 10:50:13 AM »
A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

Glad you've finally come to your senses.

Yes , but from 1972 we have just been adding, never subtracting. Because the earth slows down, they even say it!

Read

https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/leap-second-add-december-2016.html
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2017, 10:52:45 AM »
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You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


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Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


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That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

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You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!

Lenght of a day today : 24 hours and 0.57 ms

Lenght of a day at Wednesday, 25 July 1973
24 hours and 2.2120 milliseconds

Where is your claimed +27 seconds longer day ?

Funny people make funny math!

Leap second, not millisecond.

A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

This song might help you.



Then have it in seconds

24 hours, 0 minutes, 0.0022120 seconds

and

24 hours, 0 minutes, 0.0005701 seconds


So Where is your claimed +27 seconds ? Isnt that its just like they correct the accumulating error from irregularities between UTC and UT1 ? BY STOPPING UTC for a sec..

THat means no +1 sec longer days for you, sorry


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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2017, 10:56:19 AM »
https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It


Yep, as you finally count down the end of 2016, you'll have to make it past 11:59:60, thanks to the addition of an extra 'leap second'.

These leap seconds are added to make up for the fact that Earth's rotation is gradually slowing down, and to make sure that our precise clocks remain in sync with how long a day lasts on Earth.

"This extra second, or leap second, makes it possible to align astronomical time, which is irregular and determined by Earth's rotation, with Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) which is extremely stable and has been determined by atomic clocks since 1967," explained the Paris Observatory in France, which houses the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), responsible for synchronising time.

When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.

"The sequence of dates of the UTC second markers will be: 2016 December 31 23h 59m 59s, 2016 December 31 23h 59m 60s, 2017 January 1, 0h 0m 0s," the IERS website states.

A leap second was added last year at the end of June, and it's usually done either in the middle or at the end of the year, because our poor old technology can't handle slotting the extra second in anywhere else.


So why do we need leap seconds at all? An astronomical day is marked by how long it takes Earth to spin on its axis, and this isn't as reliable as you might think.

Earth's rotation fluctuates slightly year to year, sometimes getting longer, sometimes shorter. Overall, it's gradually slowing down ever so slightly as a result of the Moon's tidal pull acting like a brake on our planet.

The spin is also influenced by geological events such as strong earthquakes, and even the freezing and melting of ice sheets.

As the planet spins slower, astronomical time gradually falls out of sync with atomic time (TAI), which is measured here on Earth by nearly 400 super-accurate atomic clocks.

"As a result, sometimes we need to add an extra second to our clocks, because Earth's rotation is slowing down by two-thousandths of a second every day," Signe Dean explained for us last year.

This is also the same reason that we add leap days to certain years. And if you thought 2016 felt extra long, then, you're right, because this year had a leap day as well as getting an extra leap second.

Then you finally understand and acknowledge your error ? Good

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2017, 11:04:08 AM »
Are yous stupid or something.

On December 31, 2016 the day was not 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds, but it was 23 hours, 59 minutes and 60 seconds.

https://www.google.gr/search?q=leap+second+added&oq=leap+second+added&gs_l=serp.1.0.0l2j0i22i30k1l4.96053.97444.0.99648.6.6.0.0.0.0.175.761.0j5.5.0....0...1.1.64.serp..1.5.757...0i20k1j0i10k1j0i22i10i30k1.FYb-a7PiX1Q
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2017, 11:06:12 AM »
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When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2017, 11:07:35 AM »
When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2017, 11:27:19 AM »
Look, look, folks.  The young troll is displaying his peacock feathers by increasing the size of his font.  It is meant to be a show of size and power.  Too bad everyone just laughs and continues to look at the small brainpan.

Folks if you are really diligent, you could witness the full scale meltdown that trolls are so famous for.  It could be accompanied by the disappearance of some troll adolescents.  Hopefully this one will just croon and strut till he calms down.  I would hate to lose another comedy performer here.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2017, 11:31:07 AM »
Atomic clocks were not invented for computers.

Yes, you are correct about that, but they are used by them.

It's like saying that the mile was not developed for the car speedometer!!!!
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2017, 11:33:41 AM »
When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
You're right.  We never have and never will have a negative leap second.  That's the very nature of a leap. 

However, I don't think it's indicative of anything other than we're much more accurate at time keeping then we ever have been.  That and we've never had a time scale that matches exactly one solar year...one trip around the sun.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2017, 11:46:23 AM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable



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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2017, 11:55:44 AM »
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate

As an answer to your last question, off the top of my head, damped oscillations. Also air resistance (since it is dependent on velocity).

I don't know what the speed of light has to do with this.

Also I did not argue that the deceleration of the earth's rotation is exponential.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2017, 11:59:38 AM »
No, you don't get it. The variations in the earth's angular velocity are the reason leap seconds are added irregularly. The main reason leap seconds are added is because right from the start a day was a bit more than 24 hours. Look at the wiki page you cited. The day gets longer by about 1.7ms per century.
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2017, 12:03:55 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable


I see where you lost

We    measure    time   passed in DAYS then years NOT in seconds

That mean when International Atomic time count 1 day by x milliseconds sooner that will accumulate day by day against  Universal Time.

Lets exaggerate 

IAT 24h

UT is 24 hour +1 sec constant

There you have to add a leap second EVERY DAY

Does that mean that after 10 days your days will be 10 sec longer ?

YES/NO ? :


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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2017, 12:05:30 PM »
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate

As an answer to your last question, off the top of my head, damped oscillations. Also air resistance (since it is dependent on velocity).

I don't know what the speed of light has to do with this.

Also I did not argue that the deceleration of the earth's rotation is exponential.

oscillation

plural noun: oscillations
1.
movement back and forth in a regular rhythm.

In the last 44 years, that is from the time that it was important to have accurate time, we have been adding leap seconds, never removing them.  Not even once did they subtract a second.

This is not an oscillation, but a pure linear movement!!
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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2017, 12:15:39 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable


I see where you lost

We    measure    time   passed in DAYS then years NOT in seconds

That mean when International Atomic time count 1 day by x milliseconds sooner that will accumulate day by day against  Universal Time.

Lets exaggerate 

IAT 24h

UT is 24 hour +1 sec constant

There you have to add a leap second EVERY DAY

Does that mean that after 10 days your days will be 10 sec longer ?

YES/NO ? :

Let me put it in a way that you can understand, a day has 24 hours - Yes

1 hour has 60 minutes and 1 minute has 60 seconds

therefore a day has 86,400 seconds.

If we add 1 second, that means that the day has 86,401 seconds instead of 86,400 seconds.

That means that the earth needed more time to make 1 revolution.

velocity is distance divided by time if you increase the time and keep the distance the same, then your velocity decrease.

if your velocity decreases, that means that you are decelerating or slowing down than before

Does everybody understand!!!
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2017, 01:10:28 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2017, 01:30:48 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.

It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...

Ask him to turn his bicycle upside down so the wheels face up.

Ask him to spin the wheel. If the wheel needs more time to complete the 360 degrees, will it accelerate of decelerate?

If you increase the time, while having the 360 Degrees the same, you will slow down.


Your under pressure to prove to your masters that you are worthy of your position!

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2017, 01:44:49 PM »
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2017, 01:55:38 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.

It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...

Ask him to turn his bicycle upside down so the wheels face up.

Ask him to spin the wheel. If the wheel needs more time to complete the 360 degrees, will it accelerate of decelerate?

If you increase the time, while having the 360 Degrees the same, you will slow down.


Your under pressure to prove to your masters that you are worthy of your position!



Its called LEAP second, is that word ring a bell ? Almost like they named it like that because it SKIP a second, leap it , right ? Thats right they dont add it they skip it to allow UT1 to catch up to atomic time.

Is that clear ?

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2017, 01:56:23 PM »
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".

You must have some great dreams about the heliocentric fair-tail

To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

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aisantaros

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2017, 02:36:54 PM »
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".

You must have some great dreams about the heliocentric fair-tail



Give you one last chance, first think about that why nobody else define apply use or otherwise think about leap second as you, maybe you are the one not understanding it and not the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service ? :D Just maybe

Then Lets examine an actual practical case :

Length of the day today  86400.0005597 seconds thats the Universal time

International Atomic Time  86400 sec a day.

Difference: 0.0005597

remember we have this difference because of the definitions of a day in the two system Atomic time measures the day as 86400 si seconds and universal time refers to the Earth's rotation around its own axis.

What happens when that remains constant for a year ? Means no change in earth angular speed and other factors.

Lets count Days together !

Chose a fairly big number let pass 1787 day

In Atomic Time its : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396800

In Universal Time : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396801

Did you noticed something ? 154396801

Thats in red right there is your Leap second, that means we have to LEAP that second to allow Universal time to catch up with the day counting of Atomic time. And Earth not even slowed a bit in our example, we just had the initial difference based on the definitions.

So that is the whole reason behind leap second, hope you understand now.

Any question ?

Hope thats clear.

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markjo

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2017, 02:55:52 PM »
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people.
Because it generally takes years before a leap second is needed.

Even so, a leap second isn't redefining the length of a day.  A leap second is added to allow the relatively imprecise rotation of the earth to catch up to the incredibly precise atomic clocks.

Try to understand that one second is no longer defined as 1/86,400 of a day.  One second is defined as 9,192,631,770 Caesium vibrations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium_standard
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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2017, 03:05:24 PM »
I'm not assuming anything. It's a scientific principles that everything dealing in time is calculated on a linear,
  • You are using the wrong data!
    "Roughly every 100 years, the day gets about 1.4 milliseconds, or 1.4 thousandths of a second, longer."
  • It is totally incorrect tho claim
    "It's a scientific principles that everything dealing in time is calculated on a linear".

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The speed of light, Carbon Dating, Radiometric dating
What of earth do these have to do with your claims.

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And think about it, when you spin a top, the top slows  down.
Totally incorrect! Ever heard of Newton's First Law of motion.
Yes, "when you spin a top, the top slows  down"
DUE to friction in the "pivot" and air resistance.

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Same principles applied. The Earth is losing it's energy do to rotation.
Sure "same principles", but The rotating earth has no "pivot" and no air resistance.
The earth loses energy not "due to rotation" but from known causes,
mainly do to transfer of angular momentum to the moon and "tidal" friction.

So the earth is down, but not at your idiotic rate, bit on average about 1.4 ms/day each century!

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Your scientist are saying it, not mine!!!
No it is not OUR SCIENTISTS it is your total inability to read and understand a document.

I will agree that it is not YOUR SCIENTISTS because there are NO FLAT EARTH SCIENTISTS worth the name!
Complete and utter balderdash!
What about reading the whole document? Instead of your usual cherry picking bits that you think you can deceitfully twist to suit your own delusion.

"Roughly every 100 years, the day gets about 1.4 milliseconds, or 1.4 thousandths of a second, longer."

You have been totally wrong with all your claims! Do you remember these? Shall I count your stupid blunders?
  • "Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!" This topic, probably the most ridiculous claim yet, but totally irrelevant to the "Heliocentric Hypothesis Theory".
  • "Gravitation forces are 39,543 times stronger than Buoyancy forces" utter stupidity.
  • "Parabolic Orbit vs Radial Orbit" Total ignorance of history and orbital motion.
  • "Encyclopedia Americana dome at 13,000 ft" can't read and understand simple words!
  • "Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!" a totally untrue baseless claim that had no bearing on a "Spherical Earth".
  • "What is the temperature of the environment that the Satellites operate in?" total ignorance of the conditions in space and heat transfer.
  • "How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?" where most of your arguments are totally irrelevant to the "Heliocentric Model".
  • "Can you please explain why the Moon is accelerating?" It's NOT! More totally fallacious meaningless rubbish.
Shall I go on?

Mr InFlatEarth, a serious question - a you really a totally ignorant and stupid Flat Earther or
a very smart Globe supporter, like Leo Ferrari, trying to make the whole Flat Earth Hypothesis look ridiculous?
Because, either way you are succeeding admirably at the latter. You are really the best argument I have seen for the Globe.
       
       
       
       

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2017, 04:16:30 PM »
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.
Yes you can.
The rate can be speeding up.
Use an exponential growth instead of an exponential decay. See what happens?

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
No we aren't.

We are claiming your analysis of it is wrong.

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.
No. You are the one making the claims. The burden of proof is on you.
So you show us the math which indicates this slowing should be linear.

If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?
How? The speed of light is constant. That would mean the rate of exponential growth would be 0.

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate
Again, stop shifting the burden of proof.

How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real


The tides change quite often, typically having 2 high and low tides a day. Are you suggesting these magnetic mountains are magically moving around Earth twice a day?
And you don't provide open access to the letter.
The closest reference I can find to what you say is a report from someone else mentioning magnetic lands and 4 ships getting shipwrecked on rocked, out a fleet.

So nothing like what you are claiming.

As for the video, there is so little detail it is impossible to tell what it is.
But it may be the remenants of an open cut mine which has had a gas explosion which has been left burning.

Are yous stupid or something.

On December 31, 2016 the day was not 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds, but it was 23 hours, 59 minutes and 60 seconds.
No, it was 24 hours and 1 second.
This was to shift the day, not lengthen it.
The day before was 24 hours and 0 seconds, as was the day after.

https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It
It already did.

Guess what? That doesn't mean a day is 1 second longer. That means the day has shifted by 1 second.

You fundamentally misunderstand what a leap second is.

When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
NEVER! That doesn't mean the day is growing in length. That means the day is longer than 24 hours. As an example, if an astronomical day is 24 hours and 0.0027 s, then over a year that will add up to roughly 0.986 s so you will need to add a leap second every year. If Earth slows down such that an average day grows to 0.0028, then over a year it will add up to 1.022 s, so it will need a leap second more than every year. If it slows down to 0.0026 seconds, then over a year it adds up to 0.949 s, so you still need to add a leap second every year or so.

All you can do with your measurement is calculate the average length of the year.

Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
Do the math.
Show how this is the case, taking note of what a leap second really is.

In the last 44 years, that is from the time that it was important to have accurate time, we have been adding leap seconds, never removing them.  Not even once did they subtract a second.

This is not an oscillation, but a pure linear movement!!
No it isn't. A linear movement would be starting off adding 1 leap second a year, then going to 2 per year, then 3 and so on.
Instead we just add 1 every now and then. sometimes a year apart, some times more, some times less.
That is an oscillation.

But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.
No it doesn't It needs roughly 86400 seconds for a solar day. It actually needs slightly more than that. (for a sidereal day it needs less).


It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.
No, it is clear that you don't understand how leap seconds work or lengthening a day.

Perhaps this is simpler, a car completes a circuit once every 100 seconds, roughly, but after 1000 laps it has taken a total of 100 001 seconds.
Does this mean the last lap took longer? No. It just means that on average it is actually 100.001 seconds per lap. Some can be faster, some can be longer.
The same applies to leap seconds.

If it was slowing at the rate you claimed, 2016 wouldn't need 1 leap second, it would need 27. 2017 would also need 27, and 2015 would need 26.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...
Good advice. You should follow it.
Ask them about average times.

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Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2017, 08:55:36 PM »
[In the] word of our President, FAKE NEWS

That's two words.
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