Experiment with the Moon

Take a good look at the moon tonight. See how much detail you will be able to observe with your eyes. If you wear glasses, you must wear them and make sure to clean them first.

What is the size of the smallest land mass that you can clearly notice separate contours?

For the Flat Earthers out there, if you live in a section of the world that has heavy cloud coverage or you live in a pollution environment, your test results are not valid.

We need people to be in a dry climate area with very little cloud coverage, like Arizona, Nevada, Greece, Malta, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Australia and there are probably may more out there.

Below is a large image of the moon from NASA, print it out for a reference.




Now, the science behind this experiment

The society of Ophthalmologist state that 20/20 vision is when you can clearly see the separate contours of an object that is 1.75 mm at a distance of 6 meters.

Citation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_acuity

From trigonometry, the tan (θ) = Opposite side / Adjacent side

tan (θ) = 0.00175 / 6 =>
θ = 0.01671 Degrees

NASA tells us that the moon has a diameter of 3,476 km and has a distance of 382,500 km from earth. Based on this information, the angle that we get is

tan (θ) = 3,476 / 384,400  =>
θ = 0.52067 Degrees

Which means that we can see the moon, which is clearly true

Now, here comes the fun part.

At a distance of 384,400 km, based on 20/20 vision, we should be able to see

Opposite side = tan (θ) * Adjacent side

Opposite side = tan (0.01671 Degrees) * 384,400 km

Opposite side = 112.12 km

We should be able to clearly separate contours of an object that is 112.12km in size.

The image is 2957 pixels in diameter, which means that each pixel represents 1.755 km, if the moon is 3,476 km in diameter.

Which in turn means that if we have 20/20 vision, we should with the naked eye be able to see separate contours of an object of the size of 95 pixels (95.43) .



Which is equivalent to the yellow box in the image.

Granted, not everybody has 20/20 vision, but everybody that wears glasses is very close to that.

What happens if we don’t clearly see the separate contours of an object that size. We have three possibilities.

1)   We need new glasses
2)   The distance of the Moon to the Earth is greater at this diameter
3)   The diameter of the Moon is smaller at this distance
4)   The diameter and the distance of the Moon are different than what NASA is telling us.

What happens if we see more details that we should see?
1)   We have better vision than 20/20 (it could happen)
2)   The Moon is closer to the Earth, at this diameter.
3)   The Moon has a bigger diameter at this distance
3)   The Moon is closer to the Earth and the diameter is different

This experiment can’t be a way to prove the heliocentric Hypothesis, but it is a good indicator.

If the average people in the street can’t see clear separate contours on the moon at the specified length, then we are starting to have a problem.

What about cameras.

Place them on a tripod, zoom in at max optical (no digital) zoom

If you camera is the Nikon P900 camera which has an optical zoom of 83 X, we should be able to clear separate contours on the moon at the level of 1.15 pixels.

Posts your images on the forum with the zoom that you used.

I forgot, this has to be done on a full moon

or 5) The numbers you are throwing at this are meaningless.

The size of the moon and its distance were calculated a long time before NASA came into existence.

or 5) The numbers you are throwing at this are meaningless.

The size of the moon and its distance were calculated a long time before NASA came into existence.

All that I am saying, is if these number are correct AND we have good vision 20/20, we should be able to see the contours that size.

None of the number did I make up. They are at the web for you to lookup and if you find a credible source that has different numbers, I will be glade to use them.

Are you willing to try this experiment. If you are right, you should be able to see it. what are you afraid of.

Why do you want so badly for the Earth to be flat???

It really isn't, you know!

The size, and distance to the Moon is established, just as the size and shape of the Earth.

So Op-s eye is a telescope ? Judging from teh pic he used to demonstrate naked eye observation

Why do you want so badly for the Earth to be flat???

It really isn't, you know!

The size, and distance to the Moon is established, just as the size and shape of the Earth.

Correct, so if the size or the Moon is inaccurate, then everything comes to question.

Is this not what science is all about?

To question everything?

What did Einstein once said, that no amount of experiments can prove my theory, but only one experiment can destroy it.

As a Christian, I really don't have a problem with you challenging my faith and asking hard questions about it because the Truth does not lie, but you on the other hand fight with everything you got to stop the people from asking the questions that goes against your science.

If anybody should stand their ground, is the science people and tell everybody, come and try to prove us wrong. if we are wrong, we will change our theories. But you don't and you trust Big Government to always tell the truth.

The trip to the Moon was a political project, not a scientific project. And we did not have the technology to go and come back and they made everything up. And they continued the lie with the skylab and the space shuttle and the ISS.

Then they use balloon satellites and baptist them as space satellite, to keep the lie going one. I would not have a problem if they told us the truth that the satellites were up with balloons.

By you stating that the Earth is round and the heliocentric hypothesis is true, and using the excuse of the fake Moon photos, you are bringing questions to the validity of the hole Heliocentric Hypothesis.

The true scientist must expose the lies of the Government and tell the truth that we have never gone to the moon and it was all a political lie.

But then, if you look at history, the Alexander the Great concurred all the know world, The Roman Empire was in power for 1000 years. The British Empire, the sun never set.

What will we be remembered for, a lie that we went to the Moon. The USA has nothing else that could be remembered for 300 or 400 years down the line.

We have never gone to the moon and stop using fake photos and videos to prove your heliocentric Hypothesis, The people see the truth and because of some assholes politicians you are loosing credibility!!!

At 300 zoom, the math states that we should see images of 35 meters long and thus be able to see the moon landings if they truly went to the moon.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on July 24, 2017, 09:19:42 AM

Why do you want so badly for the Earth to be flat???

It really isn't, you know!

The size, and distance to the Moon is established, just as the size and shape of the Earth.

Correct, so if the size or the Moon is inaccurate, then everything comes to question.

Is this not what science is all about?

To question everything?

What did Einstein once said, that no amount of experiments can prove my theory, but only one experiment can destroy it.

As a Christian, I really don't have a problem with you challenging my faith and asking hard questions about it because the Truth does not lie, but you on the other hand fight with everything you got to stop the people from asking the questions that goes against your science.

If anybody should stand their ground, is the science people and tell everybody, come and try to prove us wrong. if we are wrong, we will change our theories. But you don't and you trust Big Government to always tell the truth.

The trip to the Moon was a political project, not a scientific project. And we did not have the technology to go and come back and they made everything up. And they continued the lie with the skylab and the space shuttle and the ISS.

Then they use balloon satellites and baptist them as space satellite, to keep the lie going one. I would not have a problem if they told us the truth that the satellites were up with balloons.

By you stating that the Earth is round and the heliocentric hypothesis is true, and using the excuse of the fake Moon photos, you are bringing questions to the validity of the hole Heliocentric Hypothesis.

The true scientist must expose the lies of the Government and tell the truth that we have never gone to the moon and it was all a political lie.

But then, if you look at history, the Alexander the Great concurred all the know world, The Roman Empire was in power for 1000 years. The British Empire, the sun never set.

What will we be remembered for, a lie that we went to the Moon. The USA has nothing else that could be remembered for 300 or 400 years down the line.

We have never gone to the moon and stop using fake photos and videos to prove your heliocentric Hypothesis, The people see the truth and because of some assholes politicians you are loosing credibility!!!

Bullshit, pure bullshit!

Prove that the moon pictures are fake.

Prove the Moon landings were a hoax.


You can't do it!

Everything you say depends on this massive worldwide unsustainable conspiracy. It simply isn't possible.

Quote from: Denspressure on July 24, 2017, 09:28:55 AM

At 300 zoom, the math states that we should see images of 35 meters long and thus be able to see the moon landings if they truly went to the moon.

You do not understand what you are talking about.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 09:36:22 AM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on July 24, 2017, 09:19:42 AM

Why do you want so badly for the Earth to be flat???

It really isn't, you know!

The size, and distance to the Moon is established, just as the size and shape of the Earth.

Correct, so if the size or the Moon is inaccurate, then everything comes to question.

Is this not what science is all about?

To question everything?

What did Einstein once said, that no amount of experiments can prove my theory, but only one experiment can destroy it.

As a Christian, I really don't have a problem with you challenging my faith and asking hard questions about it because the Truth does not lie, but you on the other hand fight with everything you got to stop the people from asking the questions that goes against your science.

If anybody should stand their ground, is the science people and tell everybody, come and try to prove us wrong. if we are wrong, we will change our theories. But you don't and you trust Big Government to always tell the truth.

The trip to the Moon was a political project, not a scientific project. And we did not have the technology to go and come back and they made everything up. And they continued the lie with the skylab and the space shuttle and the ISS.

Then they use balloon satellites and baptist them as space satellite, to keep the lie going one. I would not have a problem if they told us the truth that the satellites were up with balloons.

By you stating that the Earth is round and the heliocentric hypothesis is true, and using the excuse of the fake Moon photos, you are bringing questions to the validity of the hole Heliocentric Hypothesis.

The true scientist must expose the lies of the Government and tell the truth that we have never gone to the moon and it was all a political lie.

But then, if you look at history, the Alexander the Great concurred all the know world, The Roman Empire was in power for 1000 years. The British Empire, the sun never set.

What will we be remembered for, a lie that we went to the Moon. The USA has nothing else that could be remembered for 300 or 400 years down the line.

We have never gone to the moon and stop using fake photos and videos to prove your heliocentric Hypothesis, The people see the truth and because of some assholes politicians you are loosing credibility!!!

Bullshit, pure bullshit!

Prove that the moon pictures are fake.

Prove the Moon landings were a hoax.


You can't do it!

Everything you say depends on this massive worldwide unsustainable conspiracy. It simply isn't possible.

What is that thing to the right of the space shuttle. Actual video from 1983. They used model space shuttle to fool the people. Actually I remember this, when I so it on TV back in 1983




Space shuttle Challenger accident crew still alive



I also saw somewhere a video where they superimposed the Apollo 11 moon landing takeoff with the Apollo 17 or 18 and it was the same location, even the small rock where at the same location. Have to find it

On the thumbnail, the ears of those two people don't match. The chin on the right is wider too.

Apollo 18 was canceled so that could not have been it. Must have been Apollo 17 then.

Do you mean superimposed a 16mm frame of a liftoff recording from 11 with 17? as far as I know that is not possible, 11 liftoff was not recorded from the ground. The camera was turned on later in the liftoff at about 1000 feet.

Pure conspiritard bullshit

If the OP would consider himself just a tad useful he should draw a FBD of the Moon first because how on Earth would he start his calculations without it.
Just saying.

Pure conspiritard bullshit

If this helps you sleep at night by saying that big government never lied to us, that we went to the Moon, that the Russian's hacked our elections, that Obama birth certificate that was place on the white house website is not fake, then fine.

Just go back to sleep again!!!

If the OP would consider himself just a tad useful he should draw a FBD of the Moon first because how on Earth would he start his calculations without it.
Just saying.

Could you please tell me how somebody can draw a free body diagram of a bunch of photons, because that is what the moon is actually?

Quote from: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:35:07 AM

If the OP would consider himself just a tad useful he should draw a FBD of the Moon first because how on Earth would he start his calculations without it.
Just saying.

Could you please tell me how somebody can draw a free body diagram of a bunch of photons, because that is what the moon is actually?

Show some evidence for that claim or STFU.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 10:37:03 AM

Quote from: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:35:07 AM

If the OP would consider himself just a tad useful he should draw a FBD of the Moon first because how on Earth would he start his calculations without it.
Just saying.

Could you please tell me how somebody can draw a free body diagram of a bunch of photons, because that is what the moon is actually?

Show some evidence for that claim or STFU.

A historical account that the sun and moon stood still. We know from physics that if the Sun and the Moon had mass, this would not be possible, thus they are light sources!

Joshua 10:13 - And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

What is that thing to the right of the space shuttle. Actual video from 1983. They used model space shuttle to fool the people. Actually I remember this, when I so it on TV back in 1983

Already dealt with on this forum. You are seeing the reflection of someone in a window. Proven.

Space shuttle Challenger accident crew still alive

Bullshit.

I also saw somewhere a video where they superimposed the Apollo 11 moon landing takeoff with the Apollo 17 or 18 and it was the same location, even the small rock where at the same location. Have to find it

No, you didn't.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 10:07:35 AM

What is that thing to the right of the space shuttle. Actual video from 1983. They used model space shuttle to fool the people. Actually I remember this, when I so it on TV back in 1983

Already dealt with on this forum. You are seeing the reflection of someone in a window. Proven.

Quote

Space shuttle Challenger accident crew still alive

Bullshit.

Quote

I also saw somewhere a video where they superimposed the Apollo 11 moon landing takeoff with the Apollo 17 or 18 and it was the same location, even the small rock where at the same location. Have to find it

No, you didn't.

Original Video

What did Einstein once said, that no amount of experiments can prove my theory, but only one experiment can destroy it.

This is a pertinent quote.
Let's try it on a Flat Earth: if any of the FE models are true, then the Sun will not rise due East for every observer on the equinoxes.
Let's see if it does.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 09:36:22 AM

What did Einstein once said, that no amount of experiments can prove my theory, but only one experiment can destroy it.

This is a pertinent quote.
Let's try it on a Flat Earth: if any of the FE models are true, then the Sun will not rise due East for every observer on the equinoxes.
Let's see if it does.

I stand corrected, he said "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

As for the son, we have document historical event which states that the sun and moon stood still. From physics, we know that if they had a mass, this would be impossible to do, thus they are a light source. Since it is a light, it can travel for ever, (you stated that photons can travel for ever) and with mirrors can bend to any angle. I just solved your problem. See what a little reading can do...

Joshua 10:13 - And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Yep, my suspicions are confirmed

This inflatearth thing is nothing more than a really bad troll.

Quote from: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:39:51 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 10:37:03 AM

Quote from: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:35:07 AM

If the OP would consider himself just a tad useful he should draw a FBD of the Moon first because how on Earth would he start his calculations without it.
Just saying.

Could you please tell me how somebody can draw a free body diagram of a bunch of photons, because that is what the moon is actually?

Show some evidence for that claim or STFU.

A historical account that the sun and moon stood still. We know from physics that if the Sun and the Moon had mass, this would not be possible, thus they are light sources!

Joshua 10:13 - And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

When you finished the quoting of the Bible I still await evidence for your claim.

Posts your images on the forum with the zoom that you used.

This is my picture of a full Moon. I took it myself, 2 years ago, with my telescope SkyWatcher 150mm / 750mm and a Canon EOS 100D :



I'm not sure what this proves in your head.

The bible is a historical book that has been confirmed with recent archaeological discoveries.

Joseph, The Hebrews prospering in Egypt, then falling into slavery, Moses and the exodus, Egypt being destroyed since it lost its army, the walls of Jericho falling, Rebecca house being saves.


Everything that is told in the Bible, has been proven by archaeological discoveries.

Everything that is told in the Bible, has been proven by archaeological discoveries.

Provide links to archaeological evidence for:
The Star Of Bethlehem
The appearance of an Angel to Elizabeth
Jesus blighting the fig tree
The Sermon on the Mount also being the Sermon on the Plain (a.k.a Schrodinger's Sermon)

I forgot, this has to be done on a full moon

Why?  Do you feel a half moon (or some other phase) would allow a person to see too many details?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 08:43:40 AM

Posts your images on the forum with the zoom that you used.

This is my picture of a full Moon. I took it myself, 2 years ago, with my telescope SkyWatcher 150mm / 750mm and a Canon EOS 100D :



I'm not sure what this proves in your head.

If it does not show clear detail of the moons surface, then it debunks the distance of moon to earth to moon diameter ratio that NASA has given. What is the magnification of the telescope camera setup?