How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?

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Something that has been disproved?

Your religion crumbled today, on a Sunday when the airplane pilot confirmed that he does not dip his airplane when he flys from the USA to Japan.

No Curvature at all.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 07:34:04 AM

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Something that has been disproved?

Your religion crumbled today, on a Sunday when the airplane pilot confirmed that he does not dip his airplane when he flys from the USA to Japan.

No Curvature at all.

You really are a hypocrtical ignorant clot of the worst kind. You call yourself religious, I imagine you are a christian, then you go about behaving in a most un-christian way. Shame on you.

Quote from: Lonegranger on July 23, 2017, 12:57:11 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 07:34:04 AM

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Something that has been disproved?

Your religion crumbled today, on a Sunday when the airplane pilot confirmed that he does not dip his airplane when he flys from the USA to Japan.

No Curvature at all.

You really are a hypocrtical ignorant clot of the worst kind. You call yourself religious, I imagine you are a christian, then you go about behaving in a most un-christian way. Shame on you.

Christianity is to tell the Truth, even when people persecute you.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?

The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

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The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

Are you smart enough to make an animation of the suns path on a Flat Earth?

If yes, then GOD is powerful enough to make it happen .

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:39:25 PM

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The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

Are you smart enough to make an animation of the suns path on a Flat Earth?

If yes, then GOD is powerful enough to make it happen .

Actually, nobody has managed to make an animation of the Sun's path on a flat earth that fits what we observe with our eyes.
Just saying.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on July 23, 2017, 01:43:55 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:39:25 PM

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The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

Are you smart enough to make an animation of the suns path on a Flat Earth?

If yes, then GOD is powerful enough to make it happen .

Actually, nobody has managed to make an animation of the Sun's path on a flat earth that fits what we observe with our eyes.
Just saying.

This should be fun to do.

Please post equations of sun's path relative to the north pole on a spherical earth.

If I will do the moon instead, would that be OK, or has that been done?

I have a very small portion not visible but I have an extremely large portion visible that should have not been visible if the earth was curved.

It's like I own you 1 dollar and you own me 1000 dollars, Who is better off...

Irrelevant that we have testimony that the earth has no curvature???

You can't even draw a free body diagram

How can you make a free body diagram of a light source???

• Some material object to emit the light from the sun,
• Some source of energy to generate the light from the sun. An estimate of the average energy reaching the ground each day is about 12,211 gigawatt-hours.
• Of course I claim the moonlight is reflected sunlight, but you claim that the moon is self luminous. In either case there must be some object there to emit or reflect the light.
• We cane see the sun and moon appearing as objects of similar apparent size. Each has have pattern that we can see shift, though very slightly in the case of the moon.

Does light have mass?

If so, what is the maximum distance that a single photon can travel???

Newton's First Law
          An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion
          with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

Once you answer these questions, then I will draw your FBD.

What about my FBD with the airplane landing...

And from your favourite source of reliable information - NASA

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:48:55 PM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on July 23, 2017, 01:43:55 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:39:25 PM

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The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

Are you smart enough to make an animation of the suns path on a Flat Earth?

If yes, then GOD is powerful enough to make it happen .

Actually, nobody has managed to make an animation of the Sun's path on a flat earth that fits what we observe with our eyes.
Just saying.

This should be fun to do.

Please post equations of sun's path relative to the north pole on a spherical earth.

If I will do the moon instead, would that be OK, or has that been done?

All here - https://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php

rabinoz He wants to see the FBD of a plane landing, while the runway is being moved from the plane's trajectory by the rotation of the Earth, and the FBD should show which force is keeping the plane in sync with the ground below it.

We all answered this force was the orbital velocity of the atmosphere which is the same as the ground below it.

I also answered that you can't see this force when you draw the FBD in a terrestrial referential, since this referential is rotating along with the ground. So the FBD he's asking would be of a plane in the atmosphere as seen from a referential outside of Earth, not rotating with it.

Quote from: Kami on July 22, 2017, 07:44:44 AM

He presented the numerical data in the plots. I say that the accuracy displayed there can not be achieved with his equipment.

I would expect the precision of the results to be of order 5-10%, but this is just a rough guess and definitely depends on the used method.
As he wants to determine a 0.25% difference (at most), I would want an accuracy at this order of magnitude.

But please be honest with youself: Do you really think the obtained data with only 0.5% deviation can be obtained with an iphone 7 video camera and a person jumping?

I am actually curious in your honest answer InFlatEarth. If you guys want more, here is the matlab code I used to "analyze" the data:

fake = zeros(1,100);
fake(1:100) = 9.807;
fluc =  rand([2 100]);
fluc2 =  (fluc-0.5)./1000;
data = fluc2+9.807
trial = 1:1:100;
figure(1)
plot(trial,data(1,:),'b-o')
title('New York State');
xlabel('Trial Number');
ylabel('Acceleration of Gravity');
hold on
plot(trial,fake,'r');
legend('Measured Values','Average');
figure(2)
plot(trial,data(2,:),'b-o')
title('Indonesia');
xlabel('Trial Number');
ylabel('Acceleration of Gravity');
hold on
plot(trial,fake,'r');
legend('Measured Values','Average');

I apologize to the people who put effort into showing me the flaws in my "methods". I did learn about the existence of a gravimeter from you guys though. InFlatEarth, I appreciate you defending me, but your defenses don't really make any sense. I did graduate from GW but I have not been a PhD student for two years. In truth, I just graduated College and am starting my PhD at CMU this fall. In the words of my favorite cartoon character ever, "I just got bored. Everybody out." ... JimmyTheCrab probably gets that reference

Quote from: inquisitive on July 23, 2017, 02:09:32 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:48:55 PM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on July 23, 2017, 01:43:55 PM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 01:39:25 PM

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The truth is the world is round, as you know.  Path of the sun proves it.

Are you smart enough to make an animation of the suns path on a Flat Earth?

If yes, then GOD is powerful enough to make it happen .

Actually, nobody has managed to make an animation of the Sun's path on a flat earth that fits what we observe with our eyes.
Just saying.

This should be fun to do.

Please post equations of sun's path relative to the north pole on a spherical earth.

If I will do the moon instead, would that be OK, or has that been done?

All here - https://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php

Thank you, but I have decided to use actual sun reading from the an observatory, before the heliocentric hypothesis was  developed. I don't believe that you would questioned their reading, will you  and if you can show me some data from back then, I would be happy to use it.

Don't expect this to happen overnight, I will need some time, since I'm doing some Moon experiment these days...

You citations what show with calculations that the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth please!!!!!!

You know, it's like me saying that I have a golden goose that lays gold coins and hear is a coin that I have to prove it. Are you going to believe me or are you going to ask to see the goose lay a golden coin?

Show me the calculations that back up your stupid claim....

This one has a "drift" that would do very well: Angular Random Walk (ARW) 0.0035 deg/hour (typical).
 Angular Random Walk means that in the absence of any movement,  after an hour it will typically show 0.0035°.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 10:43:05 PM

You citations what show with calculations that the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth please!!!!!!

You know, it's like me saying that I have a golden goose that lays gold coins and hear is a coin that I have to prove it. Are you going to believe me or are you going to ask to see the goose lay a golden coin?

Show me the calculations that back up your stupid claim....

1) The earth rotates.
2) We do not experience winds up to 1600 km/hr on the earth's surface.
3) Therefore the atmosphere must rotate with the earth. QED
Or
the the original source of the atmosphere was from the rotating earth, so was originally rotating with the earth.
The is no "friction" outside the earth to slow the atmosphere down and the rotating earth inside to keeps it rotating.
So there is no reason for the atmosphere to be doing other than rotate with the earth.

If you think that there are reasons, now is the time to present them.

Why should I waste time pandering to your delusions?

And, in case you don't realise it, what you claim and what I can prove to your satisfaction has not the slightest effect on the facts.

As to reasons for believing that the earth rotates look at Gyroscopes., Stellar aberration and The Sagnac effect,
In Is the earth a spinning round ball? by Donald E. Simanek.
The there are available gyroscopes relying on the Sagnac Effect that can easily measure the earth's rotation once in roughly 23 hours 56 minutes. This sort of thing: Honeywell Aerospace, GG1320AN Digital Ring Laser Gyroscope

This one has a "drift" that would do very well: Angular Random Walk (ARW) 0.0035 deg/hour (typical).
 Angular Random Walk means that in the absence of any movement,  after an hour it will typically show 0.0035°.

Since the earth rotates at about 15°/hr, this gyroscope will easily measure the earth's rotation.

Still you will not believe anything that does not fit your belief.

PS If that's not good enough go and read this yourself
      Atmosphere and Earth's rotation, by Hans Volland
      Or you could read:
      Earth Rotation as a Proxy for Interannual Variability in Atmospheric Circulation, 1860-Present - AMS Journals - American Meteorological Society.
       Which includes:

"atmosphere's angular momentum and in the rotation rate of the solid earth are closely coupled on time scales of up to several years."

Quote from: rabinoz on July 24, 2017, 01:59:03 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 23, 2017, 10:43:05 PM

You citations what show with calculations that the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth please!!!!!!

You know, it's like me saying that I have a golden goose that lays gold coins and hear is a coin that I have to prove it. Are you going to believe me or are you going to ask to see the goose lay a golden coin?

Show me the calculations that back up your stupid claim....

1) The earth rotates.
2) We do not experience winds up to 1600 km/hr on the earth's surface.
3) Therefore the atmosphere must rotate with the earth. QED
Or
the the original source of the atmosphere was from the rotating earth, so was originally rotating with the earth.
The is no "friction" outside the earth to slow the atmosphere down and the rotating earth inside to keeps it rotating.
So there is no reason for the atmosphere to be doing other than rotate with the earth.

If you think that there are reasons, now is the time to present them.

Why should I waste time pandering to your delusions?

And, in case you don't realise it, what you claim and what I can prove to your satisfaction has not the slightest effect on the facts.

As to reasons for believing that the earth rotates look at Gyroscopes., Stellar aberration and The Sagnac effect,
In Is the earth a spinning round ball? by Donald E. Simanek.
The there are available gyroscopes relying on the Sagnac Effect that can easily measure the earth's rotation once in roughly 23 hours 56 minutes. This sort of thing: Honeywell Aerospace, GG1320AN Digital Ring Laser Gyroscope

This one has a "drift" that would do very well: Angular Random Walk (ARW) 0.0035 deg/hour (typical).
 Angular Random Walk means that in the absence of any movement,  after an hour it will typically show 0.0035°.

Since the earth rotates at about 15°/hr, this gyroscope will easily measure the earth's rotation.

Still you will not believe anything that does not fit your belief.

PS If that's not good enough go and read this yourself
      Atmosphere and Earth's rotation, by Hans Volland
      Or you could read:
      Earth Rotation as a Proxy for Interannual Variability in Atmospheric Circulation, 1860-Present - AMS Journals - American Meteorological Society.
       Which includes:

"atmosphere's angular momentum and in the rotation rate of the solid earth are closely coupled on time scales of up to several years."

Piltdown Man Syndrome
1) The earth rotates.
2) We do not experience winds up to 1600 km/hr on the earth's surface.
3) Therefore the atmosphere must rotate with the earth. QED

How about
1) The earth is stationary
2) If the Earth was rotating we would experience winds up to 1600 km/hr on the earth's surface.

Now, which versions sounds more accurate.

But if you still want to insist that the Earth's atmosphere spins with the Earth, show us your mathematical model to prove this.

Am I asking to much.

In my town, they say put up or shut up.

So put up the mathematical model or say nothing...

How about
1) The earth is stationary
2) If the Earth was rotating we would experience winds up to 1600 km/hr on the earth's surface.

Now, which versions sounds more accurate.

But if you still want to insist that the Earth's atmosphere spins with the Earth, show us your mathematical model to prove this.

Am I asking to much.

In my town, they say put up or shut up.

So put up the mathematical model or say nothing...

Piltdown Man Syndrome

Show me the mathematical model where the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the Earth, to validate your claim!!!

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:20:12 AM

Show me the mathematical model where the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the Earth, to validate your claim!!!

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/islas/teaching/2_Equations.pdf

Quote from: telsarbg on July 24, 2017, 02:33:00 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:20:12 AM

Show me the mathematical model where the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the Earth, to validate your claim!!!

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/islas/teaching/2_Equations.pdf

This is basic information, its a good start, but where are the numbers that pertain to the rotation of the Earth and the atmosphere.

Oh, by the way, these formulas can also be used on an infinite flat plans, like I did in college years ago.

Quote from: Kami on July 22, 2017, 07:44:44 AM

He presented the numerical data in the plots. I say that the accuracy displayed there can not be achieved with his equipment.

I would expect the precision of the results to be of order 5-10%, but this is just a rough guess and definitely depends on the used method.
As he wants to determine a 0.25% difference (at most), I would want an accuracy at this order of magnitude.

But please be honest with youself: Do you really think the obtained data with only 0.5% deviation can be obtained with an iphone 7 video camera and a person jumping?

I am actually curious in your honest answer InFlatEarth. If you guys want more, here is the matlab code I used to "analyze" the data:

fake = zeros(1,100);
fake(1:100) = 9.807;
fluc =  rand([2 100]);
fluc2 =  (fluc-0.5)./1000;
data = fluc2+9.807
trial = 1:1:100;
figure(1)
plot(trial,data(1,:),'b-o')
title('New York State');
xlabel('Trial Number');
ylabel('Acceleration of Gravity');
hold on
plot(trial,fake,'r');
legend('Measured Values','Average');
figure(2)
plot(trial,data(2,:),'b-o')
title('Indonesia');
xlabel('Trial Number');
ylabel('Acceleration of Gravity');
hold on
plot(trial,fake,'r');
legend('Measured Values','Average');

I apologize to the people who put effort into showing me the flaws in my "methods". I did learn about the existence of a gravimeter from you guys though. InFlatEarth, I appreciate you defending me, but your defenses don't really make any sense. I did graduate from GW but I have not been a PhD student for two years. In truth, I just graduated College and am starting my PhD at CMU this fall. In the words of my favorite cartoon character ever, "I just got bored. Everybody out." ... JimmyTheCrab probably gets that reference

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:39:32 AM

Quote from: telsarbg on July 24, 2017, 02:33:00 AM

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:20:12 AM

Show me the mathematical model where the Earth's atmosphere rotates with the Earth, to validate your claim!!!

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/islas/teaching/2_Equations.pdf

This is basic information, its a good start, but where are the numbers that pertain to the rotation of the Earth and the atmosphere.

Oh, by the way, these formulas can also be used on an infinite flat plans, like I did in college years ago.

You're funny 

Rotation of the Earth : Section 2.3.1

Your funny, these are general word, literature majors deal with words, scientist deal with number!!!

Did you think, well maybe you do, that NASA could have sent a man to the Moon, without first crunching out the numbers?

Did they write a general essay on who to send a man to the moon?

Where is the earth model with the numeric calculations?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:47:38 AM

Your funny, these are general word, literature majors deal with words, scientist deal with number!!!

You have the primitive equations right there. Or did you not read them ?

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:47:38 AM

Did you think, well maybe you do, that NASA could have sent a man to the Moon, without first crunching out the numbers?

Did they write a general essay on who to send a man to the moon?

Changing the subject. Not surprised.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on July 24, 2017, 02:47:38 AM

Where is the earth model with the numeric calculations?

Are you asking for a complete parameterization of Earth in 3D ? With every molecule of rock, water, and air, showing all the current winds and flows and terrains that exist ?

Be more modest. Try to understand atmospheric flow on a rotating Earth. You'll have to dig in your memories of your meteorology class, which I'm sure was part of your degrees.