Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!

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petej0

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #300 on: July 24, 2017, 04:20:50 PM »

In the old day, when flying was new, it must have been very hard for the pilot to dip the airplane every 2 minutes to keep it level on a spherical earth. A trip of 10 hours would require 300 dips and no time for the pilot to get a coffee and talk to the passengers.
But in the airlines commercials they had the pilot talking to the passengers. Kinda makes you want to think about everything

Jesus Christ you guys and this false nose dip.  Do pilots have to keep turning the plane to the left when they fly east on a flat earth model?
« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 04:22:24 PM by petej0 »

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« Reply #301 on: July 24, 2017, 09:26:09 PM »

In the old day, when flying was new, it must have been very hard for the pilot to dip the airplane every 2 minutes to keep it level on a spherical earth. A trip of 10 hours would require 300 dips and no time for the pilot to get a coffee and talk to the passengers.
But in the airlines commercials they had the pilot talking to the passengers. Kinda makes you want to think about everything

Jesus Christ you guys and this false nose dip.  Do pilots have to keep turning the plane to the left when they fly east on a flat earth model?

I think that wins for best comeback.

In the old days, people knew the earth was flat, so the very first vacuum driven gyro was designed with this in mind.  Before that, it was generally discouraged to fly through clouds.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 09:57:58 PM by savagepilot »

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #302 on: July 24, 2017, 10:01:17 PM »
And you would not trust a system that was forced to auto-correct its self every minute, in order for the airplane not to crash.
Well, don't fly again, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Read this again, and again if it does not sink it the first time.
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A gyroscopic AI has an erection mechanism, which continuously corrects the AI to be upright based on the local level, or downward acceleration vector. The correction rate is generally 3-5 degrees per minute. The way that the AI corrects itself is a system of pendulous vanes. When the gyro is not upright relative to the local level, centrifugal force pushes open vanes on the gyro's case. Air escapes through the uncovered holes, applying a force to the case, and correcting for precession.
Those are not my words Mr Smarty Pants, is is from :Aviation Stack Exchange, How are attitude indicators kept accurate?.
They might know an awful lot more than one like yourself.

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In the old day, when flying was new, it must have been very hard for the pilot to dip the airplane every 2 minutes to keep it level on a spherical earth. A trip of 10 hours would require 300 dips and no time for the pilot to get a coffee and talk to the passengers.
But in the airlines commercials they had the pilot talking to the passengers. Kinda makes you want to think about everything
In other words, once again you have no idea what you are talking about.

The pilot does not have have to "dip down" as any special action. All that happens is that the plane is kept to the required pressure altitude
The so-called "dipping" is only 1° per 111 km, so is totally swamped by other control actions to correct for air movements - winds etc.

It you had a road with curve of 1° over 111 km you could not tell that from a straight road.

If your arguments are the best that the flat earth has against the Heliocentric Globe it is certainly not under threat.

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« Reply #303 on: July 24, 2017, 10:04:28 PM »
IFE, why do you keep asking for an FBD?  I quite handily demonstrated that a heading correction of a few degrees is sufficient to increase the plane's eastward rotational velocity as it flies south.  This works on a windy day, it works on a calm day, it would work if there were no air at all.  That is the answer to your original question.  How can the plane accelerate up to the rotational speed of the equatorial airport?  Course correction.  Answered.

Good night.

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InFlatEarth

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #304 on: July 24, 2017, 11:27:18 PM »
But the bible also talks about the four angles that hold the 4 winds. This was BC time and the japans discovered the jet streams during WWII and their are 4 of them.

So fresh air could come inside the dome.
Come in from where?  Still doesn't address the fact the pressure would be equalized if there was a dome.  It is not.

From the waters above the firmament.

But I have, the four angles open up the "windows" to let fresh air in and to create a pressure gradient.


But you have a more serious problem know on your hands, can you please provide a mathematical model to explain why the Moon Accelerates?

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The time occupied by the moon in returning to the same star is called the time of her sidereal revolution. At the beginning of this century it amounted to 27.32 mean solar days. Its value is not the same in every century. From the time of the most ancient observations until the present day, we find that the sidereal revolution has been gradually becoming shorter and shorter. Will this acceleration always continue? This is a question which observation is incapable of deciding.

Popular Astronomy by Francois Arago 1858 - Page 235

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bNAUAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA257&dq=Popular+astronomy+volume+2&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUsPij6e7TAhWELcAKHQfdDo4Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Popular%20astronomy%20volume%202&f=false
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« Reply #305 on: July 25, 2017, 01:05:49 AM »
"Spherical earth disproved once and for all" - haha, if ever a thread title and ensuing discussion summed up the joke that is Flat Earth, this is it.

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InFlatEarth

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« Reply #306 on: July 25, 2017, 01:26:41 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.

All I got in return was a bunch of essays and no math.

If a wanted to read a bunch of essays , I would go to a literature forum instead.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...
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kennykirklan

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #307 on: July 25, 2017, 01:44:53 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.

All I got in return was a bunch of essays and no math.

If a wanted to read a bunch of essays , I would go to a literature forum instead.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...

Blah blah, you're just passing the buck - what is absent here is you providing anything to support your claim "spherical earth is disproved once and for all".

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InFlatEarth

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #308 on: July 25, 2017, 01:52:14 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.

All I got in return was a bunch of essays and no math.

If a wanted to read a bunch of essays , I would go to a literature forum instead.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...

Blah blah, you're just passing the buck - what is absent here is you providing anything to support your claim "spherical earth is disproved once and for all".

I have and asked for math and all you do, is to write essays, no math because your "science" is full of it!!!

Put up or shut up
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kennykirklan

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #309 on: July 25, 2017, 02:11:08 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.

All I got in return was a bunch of essays and no math.

If a wanted to read a bunch of essays , I would go to a literature forum instead.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...

Blah blah, you're just passing the buck - what is absent here is you providing anything to support your claim "spherical earth is disproved once and for all".

I have and asked for math and all you do, is to write essays, no math because your "science" is full of it!!!

Put up or shut up

You've made the claim spherical earth is disproved once and for all, you put up or shut up.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #310 on: July 25, 2017, 02:19:31 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.

All I got in return was a bunch of essays and no math.

If a wanted to read a bunch of essays , I would go to a literature forum instead.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...
All the theory and equations is available online so why do you need someone here to give it to you.  You seem to spend a lot of time asking others to do the research for you.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #311 on: July 25, 2017, 05:48:18 AM »
So far, I have asked from the Heliocentric priest to show me three mathematical models that defends the Heliocentric hypothesis, the first was a Free Body Diagram of the forces that keep the plane synchronized with the rotating Earth, the second one which I asked for a Convection Heat Transfer model of a radiating rotating Sphere with the thermal and velocity boundary layers in order for them to defend their hypothesis that the air pressure keeps the airplane in sync with the Earth's spin and now a model on a Heliocentric Model that explains why and how the Moon accelerates.
No. So far you have come in claiming to have proof, provided completely pathetic arguments and were refuted time and time again.
The force keeping the plane in sync with Earth was explained and you were given a FBD with it on it.
It was pointed out why your convection model is BS and does not apply.

And now you move to yet another topic.

You have been completley unable to provide any proof against the spherical Earth nor any proof for a FE.

When somebody questions you on real scientific, all you know what to do is to right essays...
I take it you have never read a scientific paper?
It isn't just a bunch of math, it is a lot of words as well.

You were also provided math, and then just ignored it.

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InFlatEarth

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #312 on: July 25, 2017, 06:08:04 AM »
Try this math for size:

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
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What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:




We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!
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kennykirklan

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #313 on: July 25, 2017, 06:15:07 AM »
Try this math for size:

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:




We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

Yawn.

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« Reply #314 on: July 25, 2017, 06:51:27 AM »
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Yawn

you go back to sleep in your heliocentric fair-tail. The big bad Flat Earth will just vanish when you wake up....
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #315 on: July 25, 2017, 09:47:56 AM »
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Yawn

you go back to sleep in your heliocentric fair-tail. The big bad Flat Earth will just vanish when you wake up....

Flat earth is your handicap not mine - I'm just here for the giggles.

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InFlatEarth

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #316 on: July 25, 2017, 09:52:23 AM »
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Yawn

you go back to sleep in your heliocentric fair-tail. The big bad Flat Earth will just vanish when you wake up....

Flat earth is your handicap not mine - I'm just here for the giggles.

To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

The Truth Will Set You Free

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JackBlack

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #317 on: July 25, 2017, 02:55:46 PM »
Try this math for size:
Keep it in its own thread. Stop spamming the same garbage all over the place.

It has already been refuted in the other thread, I wont refute it here.

So how about we get back to the topic at hand?

Are you going to keep up your claim that wind can't accelerate objects, and every time I have seen a leaf be blown by the wind I must have been hallucinating, or will you accept it can, and thus drag (i.e. wind, i.e. air resistance) can keep the plane in sync?

Or are you going to provide a convection model, noting all the points others have pointed out showing that can't be the case?

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« Reply #318 on: July 25, 2017, 04:10:16 PM »
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Yawn

you go back to sleep in your heliocentric fair-tail. The big bad Flat Earth will just vanish when you wake up....

Flat earth is your handicap not mine - I'm just here for the giggles.




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petej0

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #319 on: July 25, 2017, 04:13:11 PM »
Try this math for size:

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

No, No, No, NO!

First, going by that logic Earth spun slower requiring a leap second to bring back in time. 

Second, the Leap Second and Leap Days are added because the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun is not exactly 365 days and the rotation is not exactly 24 hours.  So to keep from Winter happening in July, Leap Days are added and to keep Noon the time when the sun is highest in the sky the Leap Seconds are added

Third Leap seconds are not added on a schedule like Leap Days, because there are other factors that affect the rotation of the Earth.  The moon, tidal forces and earthquakes all affect the Earths rotation.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:




We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

Dude, your math is based on a false assumption made above.

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InFlatEarth

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #320 on: July 26, 2017, 01:15:22 AM »
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Yawn

you go back to sleep in your heliocentric fair-tail. The big bad Flat Earth will just vanish when you wake up....

Flat earth is your handicap not mine - I'm just here for the giggles.





Even the band Eurythnmics in 1983 got wind of how fake NASA is

Look at what she is pointing out when see sings at time 0:012
"Sweet dreams are made of these"
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« Reply #321 on: July 26, 2017, 03:12:05 AM »
Even the band Eurythnmics in 1983 got wind of how fake NASA is
Look at what she is pointing out when see sings at time 0:012
"Sweet dreams are made of these"

You mean Earth?
i.e. sweet dreams are made of Earth, such as all the various locations you could go?

Again, how about you get back on topic and either show us your disproof, or admit that drag can keep the planes in sync.

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InFlatEarth

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« Reply #322 on: July 26, 2017, 03:13:10 AM »
Look again, I was talking about the fake moon rockets...
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JackBlack

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #323 on: July 26, 2017, 03:28:26 AM »
Look again, I was talking about the fake moon rockets...
No. You look again.
On the screen she pointed to, when she was pointing to it, it was an image of Earth.

Regardless, that isn't any indication that they thought it was fake.

Again, how about you get back to the topic.

Are you going to admit that drag can accelerate things and thus can provide the force necessary to keep planes in sync with Earth?

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« Reply #324 on: July 26, 2017, 11:26:17 AM »
Look again, I was talking about the fake moon rockets...

Your conspiracy theories are built on some weird shit.....
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« Reply #325 on: July 26, 2017, 11:35:07 AM »
On the screen she pointed to, when she was pointing to it, it was an image of Earth.


This image, to be precise:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/36/5353.jpg

Here it is in a newspaper published just after they landed back on Earth, my own copy.



The weather patterns in it match those that can be found on 3 weather satellites for the time it was taken, and the view could only be from waaaay out in cislunar space. Lovely and spherical it is.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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« Reply #326 on: July 26, 2017, 03:55:42 PM »
Draw me the FBD of the airplane landing with all forces or else accept the fact that the Earth is stationary.

This is physics 101

Yes it is, and we've already explained how it works. I'm too lazy to calculate right now so I'll just leave you with some food for thought:

How come a train moving at constant speed doesn't affect me when I jump?
How come a moving zero-g plane (meant to simulate zero-g) doesn't affect the floating passengers? The plane is moving hundreds of miles per hour(!!!). By your logic they occupants should be slammed to the back of the plane while floating.
How come a rotating earth doesn't affect flying planes?

Hint: the answer is the same for all 3.

The earth does not move under a hovering helicopter because the earth is stationary!!!

Yeah that's not how this works. "This phenomena happens because I'm right!"


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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #327 on: July 26, 2017, 03:59:14 PM »
How come a train moving at constant speed doesn't affect me when I jump?
How come a moving zero-g plane (meant to simulate zero-g) doesn't affect the floating passengers? The plane is moving hundreds of miles per hour(!!!). By your logic they occupants should be slammed to the back of the plane while floating.
How come a rotating earth doesn't affect flying planes?
Hint: the answer is the same for all 3.
What he is going for is actually a slightly different answer, akin to these questions:
How come a fly has no issue flying around a train that is going around a gentle curve?
How come when I have no walking to the front of a plane going around a gentle curve?

He is focusing on the speed differential and ignore that it will gradually change and acting like wind/drag can't accelerate objects.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #328 on: July 26, 2017, 06:03:15 PM »
But the bible also talks about the four angles that hold the 4 winds. This was BC time and the japans discovered the jet streams during WWII and their are 4 of them.

So fresh air could come inside the dome.
Come in from where?  Still doesn't address the fact the pressure would be equalized if there was a dome.  It is not.

From the waters above the firmament.

But I have, the four angles open up the "windows" to let fresh air in and to create a pressure gradient.


But you have a more serious problem know on your hands, can you please provide a mathematical model to explain why the Moon Accelerates?

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The time occupied by the moon in returning to the same star is called the time of her sidereal revolution. At the beginning of this century it amounted to 27.32 mean solar days. Its value is not the same in every century. From the time of the most ancient observations until the present day, we find that the sidereal revolution has been gradually becoming shorter and shorter. Will this acceleration always continue? This is a question which observation is incapable of deciding.

Popular Astronomy by Francois Arago 1858 - Page 235

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bNAUAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA257&dq=Popular+astronomy+volume+2&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUsPij6e7TAhWELcAKHQfdDo4Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Popular%20astronomy%20volume%202&f=false
So the fresh air comes in from the water?  That doesn't make any sense at all.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #329 on: July 27, 2017, 01:56:23 AM »
On the screen she pointed to, when she was pointing to it, it was an image of Earth.


This image, to be precise:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/36/5353.jpg

Here it is in a newspaper published just after they landed back on Earth, my own copy.



The weather patterns in it match those that can be found on 3 weather satellites for the time it was taken, and the view could only be from waaaay out in cislunar space. Lovely and spherical it is.

Your argument does not make any sense.

If they have faked the Earth photo, don't you think that they would also fake the satellite photos?

Logically speaking it does not hold up.

The newspaper is two small to read, can you please paste a true size of it, I wan't to read it.

Also the photo that you sent me, was it from the moon or a satellite and how far away from the earth if you know.
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

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