Plane flight

Just noticed: Why was the thread moved to FE General, Space Cowgirl? Was there anything wrong with the question or something?

There was nothing wrong with the questions. I could see it turning into an argument (not your fault) and figured I'd just move it. The OP will probably never post again, anyway.

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2017, 01:28:05 PM

GPS isn't doing the tracking. The tracking system is using GPS.

Do you understand that if the earth were flat, there would be 3 times as much area in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere? Where is all the missing area? Why don't flights take 3 times as long?

Thank you for proving my point this is exactly why they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans  on flight tracker as it wouldn't corelate with the globe.

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Funny because I just looked at that site and you can track a flight from South Africa to Australia right now.
Seems you are wrong.
Edit: it's South African Airways flight 280, in case you were interested.  Johannessburg to Perth.  They claim it's about 8000 kilometers.  What would that be on a flat earth?

Naw, I just have mockery.

What about occasionally posting something constructive?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Flights are impossible to project onto the Globe because of the differences in latitude and longitude in the southern hemisphere when compared with the true world map which is the UN logo.

I don't think that you understand how projection works.

Flights can be tracked using GPS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

They chose not to as it would prove the Flat earth and wouldn't corelate with their imaginary Globe Hence why flight tracker shows flights magically dissappearing just after take off then magically reappearing near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flights do not disappear just after take off.  You need to understand how sites like Flightaware work.  Aircraft know their accurate position using onboard GPS receivers.  They then transmit their position and other information using ADS-B.  Sites like Flightaware use a network of scattered, often amateur, land based receivers to pick up the transmissions and feed it to the website.  Reception is limited to about 50 miles hence there is limited coverage over oceans etc.

Understand?

Who is the 'they' that chose not to?

It would seem you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

First you tell me flights can't be tracked over oceans because the radar has a 50 mile range due to the curvature 


As you can see there are thousands of flights being tracked over the oceans in the northern hemisphere so how is the radar getting over the curve

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Then you try and tell me they can't be tracked using GPS well the link below proves that they can.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

I have proven yet again that let's just say you Heliocentrics are economical with the truth.

Like I said they can't show the full flight over the southern hemisphere oceans as it would debunk there imaginary Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

A correction to the thread:

There are confirmed FE pilots.  Round Earth believers can not wish away the facts. 

The FE pilots did show evidence that meets the demands of scientists and Zetetics. 

Like existing in an echo chamber, Round Earth believers do have a habit of stating the same self-serving Earth shape jargon with the verbiage bouncing around until it ends up in ears of another believer. Oh, then we all know it is ready to be spewed out again.       

FE pilots have spoken about maps, routes, and the rest...continue.

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Flights are impossible to project onto the Globe because of the differences in latitude and longitude in the southern hemisphere when compared with the true world map which is the UN logo.

I don't think that you understand how projection works.

Flights can be tracked using GPS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

They chose not to as it would prove the Flat earth and wouldn't corelate with their imaginary Globe Hence why flight tracker shows flights magically dissappearing just after take off then magically reappearing near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flights do not disappear just after take off.  You need to understand how sites like Flightaware work.  Aircraft know their accurate position using onboard GPS receivers.  They then transmit their position and other information using ADS-B.  Sites like Flightaware use a network of scattered, often amateur, land based receivers to pick up the transmissions and feed it to the website.  Reception is limited to about 50 miles hence there is limited coverage over oceans etc.

Understand?

Who is the 'they' that chose not to?

It would seem you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

First you tell me flights can't be tracked over oceans because the radar has a 50 mile range due to the curvature 

As you can see there are thousands of flights being tracked over the oceans in the northern hemisphere so how is the radar getting over the curve



Then you try and tell me they can't be tracked using GPS well the link below proves that they can.

I have proven yet again that let's just say you Heliocentrics are economical with the truth.

Like I said they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans as it would debunk there imaginary Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

How far should the flight from Johannesburg to Perth be?  I only ask because you watch it right now on the site posted.  You know, the you said never showed flights over the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 03:07:05 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Flights are impossible to project onto the Globe because of the differences in latitude and longitude in the southern hemisphere when compared with the true world map which is the UN logo.

I don't think that you understand how projection works.

Flights can be tracked using GPS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

They chose not to as it would prove the Flat earth and wouldn't corelate with their imaginary Globe Hence why flight tracker shows flights magically dissappearing just after take off then magically reappearing near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flights do not disappear just after take off.  You need to understand how sites like Flightaware work.  Aircraft know their accurate position using onboard GPS receivers.  They then transmit their position and other information using ADS-B.  Sites like Flightaware use a network of scattered, often amateur, land based receivers to pick up the transmissions and feed it to the website.  Reception is limited to about 50 miles hence there is limited coverage over oceans etc.

Understand?

Who is the 'they' that chose not to?

It would seem you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

First you tell me flights can't be tracked over oceans because the radar has a 50 mile range due to the curvature 

As you can see there are thousands of flights being tracked over the oceans in the northern hemisphere so how is the radar getting over the curve



Then you try and tell me they can't be tracked using GPS well the link below proves that they can.

I have proven yet again that let's just say you Heliocentrics are economical with the truth.

Like I said they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans as it would debunk there imaginary Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

How far should the flight from Johannesburg to Perth be?  I only ask because you watch it right now on the site posted.  You know, the you said never showed flights over the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere.

Where are looking I can't see it must of magically dissappeared already


Like I said they dissappear then reappear near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: Badxtoss on July 16, 2017, 03:12:13 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 03:07:05 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Flights are impossible to project onto the Globe because of the differences in latitude and longitude in the southern hemisphere when compared with the true world map which is the UN logo.

I don't think that you understand how projection works.

Flights can be tracked using GPS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

They chose not to as it would prove the Flat earth and wouldn't corelate with their imaginary Globe Hence why flight tracker shows flights magically dissappearing just after take off then magically reappearing near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flights do not disappear just after take off.  You need to understand how sites like Flightaware work.  Aircraft know their accurate position using onboard GPS receivers.  They then transmit their position and other information using ADS-B.  Sites like Flightaware use a network of scattered, often amateur, land based receivers to pick up the transmissions and feed it to the website.  Reception is limited to about 50 miles hence there is limited coverage over oceans etc.

Understand?

Who is the 'they' that chose not to?

It would seem you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

First you tell me flights can't be tracked over oceans because the radar has a 50 mile range due to the curvature 

As you can see there are thousands of flights being tracked over the oceans in the northern hemisphere so how is the radar getting over the curve



Then you try and tell me they can't be tracked using GPS well the link below proves that they can.

I have proven yet again that let's just say you Heliocentrics are economical with the truth.

Like I said they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans as it would debunk there imaginary Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

How far should the flight from Johannesburg to Perth be?  I only ask because you watch it right now on the site posted.  You know, the you said never showed flights over the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere.

Where are looking I can't see it must of magically dissappeared already


Like I said they dissappear then reappear near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Nope it's right there.  Way out over the Indian Ocean.  About 3000 km into its flight.  Right where you said they don't show them.

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2017, 01:28:05 PM

GPS isn't doing the tracking. The tracking system is using GPS.

Do you understand that if the earth were flat, there would be 3 times as much area in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere? Where is all the missing area? Why don't flights take 3 times as long?

Thank you for proving my point this is exactly why they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans  on flight tracker as it wouldn't corelate with the globe.

Incorrect, again. These flights correlate perfectly with the expected Great Circle Route modified according to the expected winds.

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Why don't you learn a bit about the topic before making a fool of yourself, again?

But flights "disappear" simply because FlightAware's tracking is via the ADS-B ground based system which interrogates the on board transponder for the GPS location of the plane.

These ADS-B systems only have a range of a few hundred miles and there are few across the southern Indian and Pacific Oceans.
Once any aircraft is out of range an ABS-B transmitter it cannot be tracked.
You can look up more in FlightAware and ADS-B.
A satellite implementation of the ADS-B system is currently being installed.

But here is one Sydney to Johannesburg flight.
QANTAS flight QF63 flew Sydney, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa in 13 hrs 15 min (on May 10, 2016), covering 11,286 km
Only the parts in yellow are tracked with ABS-B and the rest are usually "filled in" a great circle path.
For past flights, the actual GPS track of the plane can be often downloaded from Flighaware.

Look at the distance and path of a Sydney to Johannesburg on the usual Flat Earth map: Not only is the initial heading far different from the tracked initial heading of the real route, the distance of almost 23,700 km is far in excess of the range of a 747-400.

Also, that 23,700 km could never be flown by any commercial airliner in 13 hrs 15 min.

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 12:04:49 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM

Why do flights dissappear from flight tracker in the southern hemisphere and then reappear when they get to there destination.?

Most likely because of gaps in radar coverage due to limited resources and the curvature of the earth.

Do you have a better explanation?

So you admit satellites don't exist because your Heliocentric brethren claim flights are tracked by GPS.

Because the Earth is Flat and the true map is similar to the UN logo and it would be impossible to project these flights onto the globe in the southern hemisphere.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.

GPS is and always has been one way.  A plane with a GPS system RECEIVES only and does not send anything back to the satellite.

A correction to the thread:

There are confirmed FE pilots.  Round Earth believers can not wish away the facts. 

The FE pilots did show evidence that meets the demands of scientists and Zetetics. 

Like existing in an echo chamber, Round Earth believers do have a habit of stating the same self-serving Earth shape jargon with the verbiage bouncing around until it ends up in ears of another believer. Oh, then we all know it is ready to be spewed out again.       

FE pilots have spoken about maps, routes, and the rest...continue.

Since this thread is about a common flight obviously impossible in FET: What is the say of those FE pilots about that?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 02:29:33 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2017, 01:28:05 PM

GPS isn't doing the tracking. The tracking system is using GPS.

Do you understand that if the earth were flat, there would be 3 times as much area in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere? Where is all the missing area? Why don't flights take 3 times as long?

Thank you for proving my point this is exactly why they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans  on flight tracker as it wouldn't corelate with the globe.

Incorrect, again. These flights correlate perfectly with the expected Great Circle Route modified according to the expected winds.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Why don't you learn a bit about the topic before making a fool of yourself, again?

But flights "disappear" simply because FlightAware's tracking is via the ADS-B ground based system which interrogates the on board transponder for the GPS location of the plane.

These ADS-B systems only have a range of a few hundred miles and there are few across the southern Indian and Pacific Oceans.
Once any aircraft is out of range an ABS-B transmitter it cannot be tracked.
You can look up more in FlightAware and ADS-B.
A satellite implementation of the ADS-B system is currently being installed.

But here is one Sydney to Johannesburg flight.
QANTAS flight QF63 flew Sydney, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa in 13 hrs 15 min (on May 10, 2016), covering 11,286 km

Flight QF63 Sydney to Johannesburg

Only the parts in yellow are tracked with ABS-B and the rest are usually "filled in" a great circle path.
For past flights, the actual GPS track of the plane can be often downloaded from Flighaware.

Look at the distance and path of a Sydney to Johannesburg on the usual Flat Earth map:

1892 - Gleasons Map - Air Routes, with distances

Not only is the initial heading far different from the tracked initial heading of the real route, the distance of almost 23,700 km is far in excess of the range of a 747-400.

Also, that 23,700 km could never be flown by any commercial airliner in 13 hrs 15 min.

Do really expect me to believe that

You give one example of a flight between Sydney to joberg and tell me they "filled in the flight path"

If this was a everyday flight that ten's of thousands of people had done like all the other flights on flight tracker it might be more believable.

Lol.

Lol.

You must think that people are stupid.

The only way one can verify this is true is to be on the said flight with one's GPS turned on.

I suppose that we will have to wait for this new system to track the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

You do realise you have just proven your heliocentric brethren to be LIARS regarding this thread.

As they said flights couldn't be tracked using GPS and couldn't be tracked over oceans because they use Radar and Radar only has a 50 mile range due to the curvature of the Earth .

I will say again the truth is there to be observed the readers can look at the flight tracker software look at the flight paths in the southern and northern hemisphere's and make there own minds up.

Yet another conveniently retrofitted explanation.

They can't show the full flight paths over southern hemisphere oceans as they do not correlate with their imaginary Globe end of.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:10:14 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 12:04:49 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM

Why do flights dissappear from flight tracker in the southern hemisphere and then reappear when they get to there destination.?

Most likely because of gaps in radar coverage due to limited resources and the curvature of the earth.

Do you have a better explanation?

So you admit satellites don't exist because your Heliocentric brethren claim flights are tracked by GPS.

Because the Earth is Flat and the true map is similar to the UN logo and it would be impossible to project these flights onto the globe in the southern hemisphere.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.

GPS is and always has been one way.  A plane with a GPS system RECEIVES only and does not send anything back to the satellite.

I did nt say they did I said the flights where tracked using GPS and not radar which they are where did I mention information being sent back to the satellite?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: frenat on July 16, 2017, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:10:14 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 12:04:49 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM

Why do flights dissappear from flight tracker in the southern hemisphere and then reappear when they get to there destination.?

Most likely because of gaps in radar coverage due to limited resources and the curvature of the earth.

Do you have a better explanation?

So you admit satellites don't exist because your Heliocentric brethren claim flights are tracked by GPS.

Because the Earth is Flat and the true map is similar to the UN logo and it would be impossible to project these flights onto the globe in the southern hemisphere.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.

GPS is and always has been one way.  A plane with a GPS system RECEIVES only and does not send anything back to the satellite.

I did nt say they did I said the flights where tracked using GPS and not radar which they are where did I mention information being sent back to the satellite?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

GPS does not do the tracking.  To do that it would have to have information sent back to the satellite.  It provides location only.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 03:16:34 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on July 16, 2017, 03:12:13 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 03:07:05 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Flights are impossible to project onto the Globe because of the differences in latitude and longitude in the southern hemisphere when compared with the true world map which is the UN logo.

I don't think that you understand how projection works.

Flights can be tracked using GPS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_aircraft_tracking

They chose not to as it would prove the Flat earth and wouldn't corelate with their imaginary Globe Hence why flight tracker shows flights magically dissappearing just after take off then magically reappearing near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Flights do not disappear just after take off.  You need to understand how sites like Flightaware work.  Aircraft know their accurate position using onboard GPS receivers.  They then transmit their position and other information using ADS-B.  Sites like Flightaware use a network of scattered, often amateur, land based receivers to pick up the transmissions and feed it to the website.  Reception is limited to about 50 miles hence there is limited coverage over oceans etc.

Understand?

Who is the 'they' that chose not to?

It would seem you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

First you tell me flights can't be tracked over oceans because the radar has a 50 mile range due to the curvature 

As you can see there are thousands of flights being tracked over the oceans in the northern hemisphere so how is the radar getting over the curve



Then you try and tell me they can't be tracked using GPS well the link below proves that they can.

I have proven yet again that let's just say you Heliocentrics are economical with the truth.

Like I said they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans as it would debunk there imaginary Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

How far should the flight from Johannesburg to Perth be?  I only ask because you watch it right now on the site posted.  You know, the you said never showed flights over the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere.

Where are looking I can't see it must of magically dissappeared already


Like I said they dissappear then reappear near their destination.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Nope it's right there.  Way out over the Indian Ocean.  About 3000 km into its flight.  Right where you said they don't show them.

Are you implying they will show the full flight path ?


Or do you admit that it has dissappeared or will very soon.

I think you should keep it in mind that you and your Heliocentric brethren have already been proven to be Liars yet again  regarding this thread so there is no reason for the readers to believe you.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 02:29:33 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2017, 01:28:05 PM

GPS isn't doing the tracking. The tracking system is using GPS.

Do you understand that if the earth were flat, there would be 3 times as much area in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere? Where is all the missing area? Why don't flights take 3 times as long?

Thank you for proving my point this is exactly why they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans  on flight tracker as it wouldn't corelate with the globe.

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Funny because I just looked at that site and you can track a flight from South Africa to Australia right now.
Seems you are wrong.
Edit: it's South African Airways flight 280, in case you were interested.  Johannessburg to Perth.  They claim it's about 8000 kilometers.  What would that be on a flat earth?

You are a LIAR.

Even your superior RAB agrees that all flights in the southern hemisphere oceans dissappear FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

A question for you Heliocentrics :

If the Earth is a Globe like you say why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

And because you have been proven to be Liars why should anyone believe a word that you say ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.

A question for you Heliocentrics :

If the Earth is a Globe like you say why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

A question for you:

Have you ever been on one of those magical flights in the southern hemisphere? 

A correction to the thread:

There are confirmed FE pilots.  Round Earth believers can not wish away the facts. 

The FE pilots did show evidence that meets the demands of scientists and Zetetics. 

Like existing in an echo chamber, Round Earth believers do have a habit of stating the same self-serving Earth shape jargon with the verbiage bouncing around until it ends up in ears of another believer. Oh, then we all know it is ready to be spewed out again.       

FE pilots have spoken about maps, routes, and the rest...continue.

There are no FE pilots, only liars.

Your third parapgraph is more applicable to FE than RE.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM

Why do flights dissappear from flight tracker in the southern hemisphere and then reappear when they get to there destination.?

Most likely because of gaps in radar coverage due to limited resources and the curvature of the earth.

Do you have a better explanation?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 04:39:36 PM

A question for you Heliocentrics :

If the Earth is a Globe like you say why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

A question for you:

Have you ever been on one of those magical flights in the southern hemisphere?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM

Why do flights dissappear from flight tracker in the southern hemisphere and then reappear when they get to there destination.?

Most likely because of gaps in radar coverage due to limited resources and the curvature of the earth.

Do you have a better explanation?

You are one of the proven liars that I speak of so you answer my question first liar.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I'll take that as a "no".

Quote from: rabinoz on July 16, 2017, 03:33:30 PM

Also, that 23,700 km could never be flown by any commercial airliner in 13 hrs 15 min.

Do really expect me to believe that

You give one example of a flight between Sydney to joberg and tell me they "filled in the flight path"

Yes, because it is true.

If this was a everyday flight that ten's of thousands of people had done like all the other flights on flight tracker it might be more believable.

QF63 and QF64 each fly six times per week:

You must think that people are stupid.

No, but I KNOW that you are!

The only way one can verify this is true is to be on the said flight with one's GPS turned on.

I suppose that we will have to wait for this new system to track the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

That's your problem, not mine! Those flights are real and somehow they really do get from Sydney to Johannesburg in around 13 hours.
Are your suggesting that the plane and passengers are teleported?

You do realise you have just proven your heliocentric brethren to be LIARS regarding this thread.

I haven't made anyone a liar. I have simply stated what happens. If you think that YOU can prove me wrong just go ahead, be my guest.

As they said flights couldn't be tracked using GPS and couldn't be tracked over oceans because they use Radar and Radar only has a 50 mile range due to the curvature of the Earth .

What is the average range, accuracy, and update frequency of radar systems used to monitor airspace in the USA?
I'm primarily interested in capabilities for tracking smaller general aviation aircraft without enhanced return data channels like ADS-B, etc.

Please include sources, if possible. As an example, by looking at TRACON/ASR data exports (CDR), these systems appear to update an aircraft echo at about a 4.7 second frequency, give or take a few tenths. However, I not been been able to source or verify my findings or similar statements made by expert witnesses in litigation cases.

Basically you can distinguish two classes of radar:

• Primary radar does not require the aircraft to carry a transponder, it is a form of non-cooperative surveillance.
• Secondary radar on the other hand requires the aircraft to carry a transponder; the transponder replies to interrogations from the radar. This is called cooperative surveillance.

Radars operate basically by line-of-sight, however due to atmospheric effects the radio waves follow the curvature of the earth to some degree. Aircraft flying low are quickly below the horizon, but aircraft at FL450 can be detected on secondary radar at ranges up to 300NM if the radar is operated for such range. Typically the range is less.

In general, the further the range that a radar needs to look, the slower it rotates. An airport surface radar may rotate as fast as twice per second, long range en-route radars can go as slow as once per 12 seconds. For typical TMA / TRACON use, 5 seconds would be in the right ballpark, for en-route 8 seconds will be about right.

From: Aviation Stack Exchange, What is the range and accuracy of ATC radar systems?

The tracking you see on sites like FlightAware is from ADS-B and similar systems.

I will say again the truth is there to be observed the readers can look at the flight tracker software look at the flight paths in the southern and northern hemisphere's and make there own minds up.

Yes and I know I am correct.

Yet another conveniently retrofitted explanation.

Don't be a total idiot, of course, it not "another conveniently retrofitted explanation" it is what really happens.

They can't show the full flight paths over southern hemisphere oceans as they do not correlate with their imaginary Globe end of.

"They can't show the full flight paths over southern hemisphere oceans" because there are no ADS-B tracking stations of the southern Indian Ocean and if you claim otherwise you are simply mistaken.

If you claim that those flights "do not correlate with their imaginary Globe end of" whatever that means please tell us all just how these flights get from Sydney to Johannesburg in about 13 ¹/₂ hours.

Quote from: Badxtoss on July 16, 2017, 02:57:59 PM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 02:29:33 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2017, 01:28:05 PM

GPS isn't doing the tracking. The tracking system is using GPS.

Do you understand that if the earth were flat, there would be 3 times as much area in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere? Where is all the missing area? Why don't flights take 3 times as long?

Thank you for proving my point this is exactly why they can't show the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans  on flight tracker as it wouldn't corelate with the globe.

https://www.flightradar24.com/-31.45,-286.71/2

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Funny because I just looked at that site and you can track a flight from South Africa to Australia right now.
Seems you are wrong.
Edit: it's South African Airways flight 280, in case you were interested.  Johannessburg to Perth.  They claim it's about 8000 kilometers.  What would that be on a flat earth?

You are a LIAR.

Even your superior RAB agrees that all flights in the southern hemisphere oceans dissappear FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I reported what I saw at a website you suggested.  No lie there.  I have no idea if it disappeared after that or not, I stopped checking.
There was no lie.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 04:06:54 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on July 16, 2017, 03:33:30 PM

Also, that 23,700 km could never be flown by any commercial airliner in 13 hrs 15 min.

Do really expect me to believe that

You give one example of a flight between Sydney to joberg and tell me they "filled in the flight path"

Yes, because it is true.

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If this was a everyday flight that ten's of thousands of people had done like all the other flights on flight tracker it might be more believable.

QF63 and QF64 each fly six times per week:

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You must think that people are stupid.

No, but I KNOW that you are!

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The only way one can verify this is true is to be on the said flight with one's GPS turned on.

I suppose that we will have to wait for this new system to track the flights over the southern hemisphere oceans let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

That's your problem, not mine! Those flights are real and somehow they really do get from Sydney to Johannesburg in around 13 hours.
Are your suggesting that the plane and passengers are teleported?

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You do realise you have just proven your heliocentric brethren to be LIARS regarding this thread.

I haven't made anyone a liar. I have simply stated what happens. If you think that YOU can prove me wrong just go ahead, be my guest.

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As they said flights couldn't be tracked using GPS and couldn't be tracked over oceans because they use Radar and Radar only has a 50 mile range due to the curvature of the Earth .

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What is the average range, accuracy, and update frequency of radar systems used to monitor airspace in the USA?
I'm primarily interested in capabilities for tracking smaller general aviation aircraft without enhanced return data channels like ADS-B, etc.

Please include sources, if possible. As an example, by looking at TRACON/ASR data exports (CDR), these systems appear to update an aircraft echo at about a 4.7 second frequency, give or take a few tenths. However, I not been been able to source or verify my findings or similar statements made by expert witnesses in litigation cases.

Basically you can distinguish two classes of radar:

• Primary radar does not require the aircraft to carry a transponder, it is a form of non-cooperative surveillance.
• Secondary radar on the other hand requires the aircraft to carry a transponder; the transponder replies to interrogations from the radar. This is called cooperative surveillance.

Radars operate basically by line-of-sight, however due to atmospheric effects the radio waves follow the curvature of the earth to some degree. Aircraft flying low are quickly below the horizon, but aircraft at FL450 can be detected on secondary radar at ranges up to 300NM if the radar is operated for such range. Typically the range is less.

In general, the further the range that a radar needs to look, the slower it rotates. An airport surface radar may rotate as fast as twice per second, long range en-route radars can go as slow as once per 12 seconds. For typical TMA / TRACON use, 5 seconds would be in the right ballpark, for en-route 8 seconds will be about right.

From: Aviation Stack Exchange, What is the range and accuracy of ATC radar systems?
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The tracking you see on sites like FlightAware is from ADS-B and similar systems.

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I will say again the truth is there to be observed the readers can look at the flight tracker software look at the flight paths in the southern and northern hemisphere's and make there own minds up.

Yes and I know I am correct.

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Yet another conveniently retrofitted explanation.

Don't be a total idiot, of course, it not "another conveniently retrofitted explanation" it is what really happens.

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They can't show the full flight paths over southern hemisphere oceans as they do not correlate with their imaginary Globe end of.

"They can't show the full flight paths over southern hemisphere oceans" because there are no ADS-B tracking stations of the southern Indian Ocean and if you claim otherwise you are simply mistaken.

If you claim that those flights "do not correlate with their imaginary Globe end of" whatever that means please tell us all just how these flights get from Sydney to Johannesburg in about 13 ¹/₂ hours.

If you can't do that, just admit that you are claiming totally unsubstantiated rubbish!

Until we can track a full flight from Sydney to joburg I will not believe it's as simple as that so you can say what you want it is obvious to anyone that looks at all the flight paths on flight tracker your globe is imaginary.
 
They will never show a full flight across the southern hemisphere oceans because it will debunk their imaginary Globe FACT.

Thank you for proving your colleague's to be Liars I had already done it myself but it is worth much more when one of their own does so.

 

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

There are no liars, people take these flights all the time.  That you do not understand is your problem.

There are no liars, people take these flights all the time.  That you do not understand is your problem.

I understand perfectly.


You expect people to believe these flights can't be tracked in 2017 ?

So I guess ships can't communicate that are in the southern hemisphere oceans either.

If a plane goes missing in the southern hemisphere it is lost for ever.

Give me a break.

You must think people are stupid.

We used to be told the vortex spins the other way round in the southern hemisphere but IT DOESN'T.

We used to be told you can see the curvature of the Earth at 40000 ft but YOU CAN'T.

So why shold I believe you ?

When it has been proven that you  Heliocentric's  lie all the time ?

You Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

The only solid facts I have to go on is that flights are not tracked across the southern hemisphere oceans this is because it would debunk your imaginary Globe FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 11:32:47 PM

There are no liars, people take these flights all the time.  That you do not understand is your problem.

I understand perfectly.

We used to be told the vortex spins the other way round in the southern hemisphere but IT DOESN'T.

We used to be told you can see the curvature of the Earth at 40000 ft but YOU CAN'T.

So why shold I believe you Heliocentrics when it has been proven that you lie all the time ?

You Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

The only solid facts I have to go on is that flights are not tracked across the southern hemisphere oceans this is because it would debunk your imaginary Globe FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I think Tropical storms and such do spin in opposite directions in the two hemispheres.
How are such flights even possible in the Southern Hemisphere on a flat earth?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 11:40:36 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 11:32:47 PM

There are no liars, people take these flights all the time.  That you do not understand is your problem.

I understand perfectly.

We used to be told the vortex spins the other way round in the southern hemisphere but IT DOESN'T.

We used to be told you can see the curvature of the Earth at 40000 ft but YOU CAN'T.

So why shold I believe you Heliocentrics when it has been proven that you lie all the time ?

You Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

The only solid facts I have to go on is that flights are not tracked across the southern hemisphere oceans this is because it would debunk your imaginary Globe FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I think Tropical storms and such do spin in opposite directions in the two hemispheres.
How are such flights even possible in the Southern Hemisphere on a flat earth?

When will you learn to stop lieing you are one of the proven liars I speak of.

What do tropical storms have to do with aviation regarding the southern hemisphere you liar.?

As you are one of the liars I speak of answer my question.

A question for you Heliocentrics :

If the Earth is a Globe like you say why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

And because you have been proven to be Liars why should anyone believe a word that you say ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.
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Quote from: Badxtoss on July 17, 2017, 12:02:24 AM

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile on July 16, 2017, 11:40:36 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 16, 2017, 11:32:47 PM

There are no liars, people take these flights all the time.  That you do not understand is your problem.

I understand perfectly.

We used to be told the vortex spins the other way round in the southern hemisphere but IT DOESN'T.

We used to be told you can see the curvature of the Earth at 40000 ft but YOU CAN'T.

So why shold I believe you Heliocentrics when it has been proven that you lie all the time ?

You Heliocentrics know no bounds when it comes to defending your religion.

The only solid facts I have to go on is that flights are not tracked across the southern hemisphere oceans this is because it would debunk your imaginary Globe FACT.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

I think Tropical storms and such do spin in opposite directions in the two hemispheres.
How are such flights even possible in the Southern Hemisphere on a flat earth?

When you learn to stop lieing you are one of the proven liars I speak of.

What do tropical storms hae to do with aviation regarding the southern hemisphere you liar.?

As you are one of the liars I speak of answer my question.

A question for you Heliocentrics :

If the Earth is a Globe like you say why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

And because you have been proven to be Liars why should anyone believe a word that you say ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

#shutdown.

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I've told no lies.  You've proved nothing.  You were the one who mentioned things spinning the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere.  Tropical storms in fact do.  Check it out.
But you didn't answer the question.  How is the Johannesburg Sydney flight even possible on a flat earth?

Any serious flat earther can go ahead and book a Southern Hemisphere flight and report back their findings. Take a GPS enabled device running Sky Demon or similar (you can get a one month trial) and log the flight.

As flat earth is the challenger theory, it is up to you to prove it - seems to me the above experiment is an affordable way to do this. Put your money where your mouth is.