Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1170 on: June 25, 2023, 08:21:26 AM »
The fact that you people are dumbasses about this proves that oxygen flow has in fact been prevented from entering your brain.

Masks cause hypoxia, as numerous studies have borne out.

But like dumb sheep, you follow "science" because people tell you it's so.

Germ theory is just that. A theory. Before germ theory was even less scientific miasma theory. The idea that bad air can give you illness and/or contains demons.

But germ theory has always overlooked something. The wellness factor. It's like this: on a crowded bus, a man coughs loudly. Seven people get sick, twenty-four people do not. Germ theory comtinually ascribes the sickness of the seven people to germs. But it completely ignores that twenty four people, many of which were standing just as close to the people as the seven did not get sick! Moreover, it doesn't account for placebo effects. There is also the reverse of a placebo effect (nocebo, I think it's called). Experiments with placebo showed that when side effects of the real drug were listed to a test drug, they actually got the side effects, thinking they had the real drug! This actually resulted in increased placebo effect when they told the subjects the placebo would have side effects. If it's possible to psychologically induce side effects, and you have a news cycle where COVID is mentioned practically on every page (no sports cuz COVID, business down cuz COVID, etc) sooner or later people become convinced they have it.

There is no such thing as germs. There is only compromised immune system. If you have a weak immune system, things make you sick. If you have a strong immune system, they do not. Guess what? Hypoxia and low vitamin D both lower the immune system. Nocebo effect is also able to induce illness.

The stumbling block of using germ theory for COVID was two distinct issues:
1. "You aren't wearing a mask! Why aren't you sick?" Our family friends got sick even though the wife insisted on two masks. In two years, my mother and father never got tested positive for COVID. Meanwhile those friends got it two or three times.
 2. "How did you get sick? You live in the middle of nowhere." People would contract it despite living in nursing homes where the people were carefully kept inside and and there didn't seem to be any outside spread. Germ theory dictates that if you're only around the same people, there shouldn't be any reason for you to get sick. But they were getting sick anyway. People in small towns in flyover country that nobody visits got sick.

 Neither of these explained adequately the bad health under germ theory. But wellness theory does, if the "pandemic" is actually a poorly managed health strategy. That is, when you get sick for cold or flu, what do you do? That's called your health strategy. We try to get rest, exercise, plenty of fluids especially chicken soup. Other people take Nyquil Cold and Flu, or some such other thing. Point is, they do what works for them.

But then the government and media told everyone, "No you can't use your tried and true health strategies. This is a NOVEL virus, so you need to use our health strategies, mask wearing strategies which are imported from China, a country that has fucking open air markets where chicken just sits out with bloodborne pathogens floating through the air, and doesn't know shit about good health." Ummm hmmm, suuuure that seems legit.

 As a result of poor health strategies people with endemic (that means already inside the body) coronavirus got sick due to weakened immune system. Low Vitamin D from not being allowed to go outside (in some areas you were arrested for "not socially distancing" when you were fucking canoeing, alone, in the woods) and not enough air. These things wear the body down. So does staying up until 4:47am talking to idiots who believe germs were responsible for deaths when in many cases people were totally isolated and still got sick.

How can they get sick from a fake virus?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1171 on: June 25, 2023, 10:46:43 AM »

By that logic, bulletproof vests are ineffective for cops.

Wrong answer (not to mention not very bright).

The correct analogy would be to have the bullets rain down on cops from the atmosphere, continuously.

Since the pathogenic agent comes from the atmosphere, exactly as it happened back in 1918, masks are absolutely useless (just as they were back then). You need a hazmat suit for 100% protection.

No R0 factor can explain how the Wuhan variant was replaced, in less than two weeks, worldwide, by D614G (March of 2020). No R0 factor can explain how the exotic variants (B.1.117, B.1.351, P.1) had emerged all over eastern Europe, simultaneously, without any travel history, in March of 2021.

So much valuable time was wasted in 2020 for absolutely nothing: had clarithromycin been used as a treatment for Covid-19, the pandemic would have been over in under one month by March.

In fact Pfizer did test azithromycin with splendid results:

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial (March 2020)

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1172 on: June 25, 2023, 01:33:30 PM »
Why did no other country do it then?

Penguins with machine guns?




Also
Dilution factor.
To get infected you need a certain concentration hitting your orifices.
So yes
Masks and bullet proof vests is a great example

A bullet shot into the sky in greeceand expecting it to hit someone in turkey.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1173 on: June 27, 2023, 09:05:52 PM »

How can they get sick from a fake virus?

Weren't you listening?

COVID is not in fact a "novel" coronavirus.

COVID, if it exists at all, and is not a psychosomatic disorder...
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-59181-6_6
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6694178/
would be nothing more than regular old coronavirus, this is, a cold.

Suppose a doctor told me that for my child losing her teeth, instead of letting her regrow her teeth and giving her tooth fairy money, I need to fill them with silver because this is a new type of tooth loss. This is the crazy kind of logic at work here!

So the fake part is the treatment. Rather than doing your regular cold treatment that works for you, you trust an approach that has not worked for you ever, because someone told you the disease was "novel" and used a fancy name for a regular disorder.

Although, as the links above demonstrate, psychosomatic illness or nocebo effect is a thing. So yea, does COVID even exist?

When treatment "specialists" give you a crackpot approach to how to deal with a minor illness, said minor illness becomes prolonged or worsened, even to the point of death. So yes, this is criminal case of wrongful death on a massive scale.

But it gets worse. Because wellness theory is actually the thing, and not "germs", I can be completely isolated from others for months or years (not getting their germs), yet nevertheless become sick as combination of poor air, lack of exercise, and not enough sunlight.

Lack of exercise creates obesity and weakened immune system.
Poor air creates hypoxia and weakened immune system.
Lack of sunlight lowers vitamin D and... you guessed it, weakened immune system. Among other things.
https://carex.com/blogs/resources/light-deprivation-what-happens-if-you-don-t-get-enough-sunlight
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Vitamin D deficiency has been found to make us more susceptible to colds and the flu, as well as infection and autoimmune disorders. Without a properly functioning immune system, our body’s ability to control inflammation and heal wounds is also impaired.

So a little case of the sniffles develops from one of these factors. All three and complications set in. People usually don't die only of the cold. But they do die from colds combined with pneumonia, diabetes, obesity, or other things.

The cold is endemic to the human population. You don't get it from "germs". You get it from a run-down system. No amount of vaccines will ever cure the common cold. So if a doctor tells you it will, they are running a scam.

And Fauci ran a really bad scam that doomed thousands or millions. He told you to "trust the science" while he killed relatives of yours. You ought to be fucking pissed. Instead, you've decided to defend him. Talk about misplaced energy.

They say that when there's a fire (emergency), horses will return to their stables (familiar ideas) rather than to a new place (new ideas) that is safe. But that analogy only holds up if there actually is a fire.
What if, instead of there being a fire, people just say that is one, panicking the horses and making them run outside. It's winter and they will die in the cold. Would that be actually about the safety or best interest of the horses? Or is that reckless disregard for their wellbeing, getting them to leave actual safety for false safety?

Do people like Fauci like me? No, in fact, Fauci is a psychopath who tortures dogs and chidren. Even his supposed allies shouldn't trust his words. But especially someone like me who is not his flock, has no good reason to trust him when he yells fire. I instead have every reason to trust that he wants me dead instead. Mask up, vaxx up? No and no. I trust God, even when he seems insane. Fauci? Not even if he paid me would I do as he says.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1174 on: June 28, 2023, 01:21:52 AM »
Covid-19 is caused a strain of SARS (caps for acronym, not for emphasis,) dubbed SARS-COV-2. That's the novel part. We've treated good ol' SARS for years, but a new strain has new complications and effects that we had to figure out in real time.

That's what you keep ignoring; Covid didn't hit like a truck because we had never seen anything like it, it hit like a truck because it spread quickly and we didn't quite know what the hell we were trying to fix. Doctors had to try imprecise methods to help patients, to narrow down the helpful ones, because it was better than doing nothing.

The original strain of SARS, hitting in 2003, had a death rate of 9%. The only reason it didn't cause a global shut down was that it wasn't nearly as good at spreading as the recent strain did.

Also, what is your deal with Fauci? Okay, yeah, he's a shitty dude. But he was essentially just a politician during COVID. A politician with a doctorate, but still a politician. Fauci didn't cause the pandemic, because if he did, it would've started in America, where he holds actual power.



About germs: Yeah. Not getting proper vitamins and nutrition makes your immune system weaker. But your immune system is a defense system, not a maintenance system. It doesn't matter how weak it is, you need to actually interact with germs. You use the example of isolating for a year, and say you'd still get sick. That's not true, as evidenced by immunocompromised people who live in sterile isolation. These are people with literally no immune system. By your logic, they should be getting violently ill constantly. But if the clean room is properly maintained, they don't.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1175 on: June 28, 2023, 06:43:34 AM »


The stumbling block of using germ theory for COVID was two distinct issues:
1. "You aren't wearing a mask! Why aren't you sick?" Our family friends got sick even though the wife insisted on two masks. In two years, my mother and father never got tested positive for COVID. Meanwhile those friends got it two or three times.
 2. "How did you get sick? You live in the middle of nowhere." People would contract it despite living in nursing homes where the people were carefully kept inside and and there didn't seem to be any outside spread. Germ theory dictates that if you're only around the same people, there shouldn't be any reason for you to get sick. But they were getting sick anyway. People in small towns in flyover country that nobody visits got sick.

 So does staying up until 4:47am talking to idiots who believe germs were responsible for deaths when in many cases people were totally isolated and still got sick.

How can they get sick from a fake virus?

Because truckers never stop in towns ever...
You seen a transport truck in your town?
Nobody moved out of town qhere you live and never came back to visit?
You have ZERO migrant workers?



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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1176 on: June 28, 2023, 07:16:51 AM »
You are debating with a lunatic.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1177 on: June 28, 2023, 07:21:25 AM »
Working out their thoughts.
Getting them to complete the thought.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1178 on: June 28, 2023, 09:35:57 AM »
Covid-19 is caused a strain of SARS (caps for acronym, not for emphasis,) dubbed SARS-COV-2.

Why then does Sars have so many bacterial epitopes?

Out of nine sites, seven sites showed molecular similarity with 54 antigenic determinants found in twelve pathogenic bacterial species (Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

Most of the bacterial antigens that displayed molecular similarity with antigenic sites in SARS-CoV-2 RBD (receptor binding domain) were toxins and virulent factors. Antigens from Mycobacterium that showed similarity were mainly involved in modulating host cell immune response and ensuring persistence and survival of pathogen in host cells.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395

Sars-Cov-2 also features epitopes from M. bovis, Nipah, and other pathogens.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7423587/

BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8577642/

However, the knowledge that heat shock protein (HSP)65 is the main antigen of Mycobacterium bovis BCG prompted us to verify whether sequence similarity existed between HSP65 and SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) and nuclear (N) proteins that could support an antigen-driven immune protection of BCG vaccine. The results of the in silico investigation showed an extensive sequence similarity of HSP65 with both the viral proteins, especially SARS-CoV-2 S, that also involved the regions comprising immunodominant epitopes.


Here is something else you should take seriously: what if the Earth stopped spinning? Scientists have pondered this question, and in heliocentrism there are two conditions which must be met: 1. The iron/nickel core must stop its rotation (run a search with "iron core slowing down") and 2. an external magnetic field of a planet which would slow down the rotation or bring it to a rotational statis. In geocentrism, everything is much simpler: the Sun simply reaches the outer limit for its westward precessional shift (1.5 km/year).

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1179 on: June 28, 2023, 11:04:57 AM »
You are debating with a lunatic.

The stock response when you don't actually have anything to debate.

Someone actually mentions very clear points... "You're crazy."

No, you're crazy.

You somehow think that because someone uses uncommon

There's a scene in one of the Star Trek movies where the crew bluffs a series of doctors by mentioning that someone has an acute case of (technical jargon) (jargon) (jargon), and the doctor basically doesn't understand that it's another name for a cold or hiccups. You hear a jargon word for cold, and you are fooled into thinking it's something new.

Crazy people don't use the logic that God gave them to puzzle out whether something they are told is rational or not.

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Because truckers never stop in towns ever...
You seen a transport truck in your town?
Nobody moved out of town qhere you live and never came back to visit?
You have ZERO migrant workers?

You're bringing your city/suburb values to a small town. The suburbs employ migrants to harvest tomatoes. In deep rural areas, sometimes it's a guy who owns an entire 10 acre field with a tractor. In a small enough town, it's a walk to meet another living soul. In my town, we see a great deal of cars pass by our place, but nobody really stops, except when we have farmer's markets.

Anyway. Weren't you people concerned to the point of fixation with the idea that you could somehow prevent people with COVID from working? And it was clear to me that the standards of declaring people sick with COVID were literally just above witch-hunt level. That person has right-leaning ideas? Well, now we can not only deplatform them but accuse them of being sick, so businesses that hire them anyway also get accused of not following the guidelines and shut down.

Yes, motive is entirely transparent here.

The point being, if you are so scrupulous about preventing the spread that you don't allow any active workers with COVID, the truck driver should have a clean bill of health. So should the manager. So should the coworkers. So what exactly is spreading here? Or are you willing to admit that you deliberately sent sick people to our towns to try to get us sick? One or the other.
1. Either the people from the city are healthy and virtuous, and not possibly able to be sick. In which case we small-town people needn't worry about you outsiders.
2. Or you are scoundrels deliberately are trying to get us sick. In which case, why should I trust anything you say?

What's really spreading is hoax.

Suppose I sit in front of you, both of us wearing our masks like good little sheep. I know that I don't have COVID. You know that you don't have COVID. But the fact that each of us is wearing a mask convinces each of us that the other is sick. With a few words, the entire hoax caves in. I convince you that I am not sick by taking off my mask. But until you likewise drop your guard, I am always paranoid that maybe getting too close to you is dangerous.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1180 on: June 28, 2023, 12:07:07 PM »
Covid-19 is caused a strain of SARS (caps for acronym, not for emphasis,) dubbed SARS-COV-2.

Why then does Sars have so many bacterial epitopes?

Out of nine sites, seven sites showed molecular similarity with 54 antigenic determinants found in twelve pathogenic bacterial species (Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycobacterium leprae, Bacillus anthracis, Borrelia burgdorferi, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium tetani, Helicobacter Pylori, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, Vibrio cholera and Yersinia pestis), two malarial parasites (Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium knowlesi) and influenza virus A.

Most of the bacterial antigens that displayed molecular similarity with antigenic sites in SARS-CoV-2 RBD (receptor binding domain) were toxins and virulent factors. Antigens from Mycobacterium that showed similarity were mainly involved in modulating host cell immune response and ensuring persistence and survival of pathogen in host cells.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0171298521000395

Sars-Cov-2 also features epitopes from M. bovis, Nipah, and other pathogens.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7423587/

BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8577642/

However, the knowledge that heat shock protein (HSP)65 is the main antigen of Mycobacterium bovis BCG prompted us to verify whether sequence similarity existed between HSP65 and SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) and nuclear (N) proteins that could support an antigen-driven immune protection of BCG vaccine. The results of the in silico investigation showed an extensive sequence similarity of HSP65 with both the viral proteins, especially SARS-CoV-2 S, that also involved the regions comprising immunodominant epitopes.


Here is something else you should take seriously: what if the Earth stopped spinning? Scientists have pondered this question, and in heliocentrism there are two conditions which must be met: 1. The iron/nickel core must stop its rotation (run a search with "iron core slowing down") and 2. an external magnetic field of a planet which would slow down the rotation or bring it to a rotational statis. In geocentrism, everything is much simpler: the Sun simply reaches the outer limit for its westward precessional shift (1.5 km/year).


2ndary infection is a common "side effect" from having a massive viral infection.
example:  it's not the viral chest cold that kills you, it's the baterial pneumonia that kills you.



200yrs ago
being stabbed didn't kill you.
getting shot by a bullet doesn't klil you.
the infection and ganggrene killed you.


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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1181 on: June 28, 2023, 01:14:39 PM »
2ndary infection is a common "side effect" from having a massive viral infection.
example:  it's not the viral chest cold that kills you, it's the baterial pneumonia that kills you.


Those who have read this thread already know that I did present the proofs for the fact that M. avium was isolated in patients with Covid-19, and that the fake pics with Sars-Cov-2 were debunked.

M. avium is a cell wall deficient pathogen and passes through the same filters as a "virus" would. The FDA says that two tests must be performed for each case: both a rt-PCR test and a test for mycobacterium. All medical doctors (with the exception of one) have refused to test for bacteria, this is one of the main reasons for the situation the world finds itself in right now.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1182 on: June 28, 2023, 01:48:47 PM »
cool

"pictures i don't agree with are fake"

  fake virus
    fake earth from space
      fake circles and triangles



2nd claim:
"no ones testing"?

good stuff
that's a nice bold claim.
is it in some global document saying "don't test this"?


because a quick search of "M. avium + covid" turned up a lot of journal entries...
so your claim that only one doctor is hardly believable


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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1183 on: July 09, 2023, 01:10:22 AM »
C) Caused by CIA: with China and Gates cooperation.



Pfizer's accomplice and the founder of biontech, the so-called Turkish Uğur Şahin, was spotted in Hyde Park in London, where he went to escape the murder, genocide, fraud, etc. lawsuits filed against him in Germany.
According to the off-the-record information, his breasts started to grow slightly due to some hormones he used. Are we surprised? of course no. I bet this is "her" hormone-free appearance.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1184 on: July 15, 2023, 02:05:47 PM »



In order: Four Humours Theory and Miasma Theory of Medicine.

If you still think Germ Theory is real science, you're just as gullible as everyone else. Most theories of medicine are just that. An idea, which may be complete crap, but they get other people to buy into it.

No matter how scary people tell you a virus or bacteria is, if you are in good physical health (plenty of exercise, water, rest, and a good diet) and psychological health (not depressed, neurotic, or paranoid), you cannot get sick. This is because the skin has a psychophysical barrier against illness.  If however, you are overtired, eating an excess of restaurant/junk food, stressed out, and out of shape, you are easy prey to disease. Wellness Theory asserts that being well or not is the primary cause of health or sickness.

My mom, dad, brother, his children, and me all went to see Judy, an in-law who is herself suffering from cancer and literally exudes toxic behavior with her tendency to try to buy affections and control people. In the course of two weeks, three kids got sick, my brother developed a fever, and I got extreme fatigue and ulcers. And lest you think this was a germ going around, the kids all developed different sicknesses, as did my brother and I.

Wellness Theory. Not Germ Theory.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1185 on: July 16, 2023, 03:52:08 AM »
My mom, dad, brother, his children, and me all went to see Judy, an in-law who is herself suffering from cancer and literally exudes toxic behavior with her tendency to try to buy affections and control people.
Yeah, only terrible people get cancer.  Fuck those guys.

What the fuck is that cartoon though?
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1186 on: July 16, 2023, 04:47:09 PM »
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Yeah, only terrible people get cancer.  Fuck those guys.

Hahahaha, now you understand! ;D

There is a book though called Anatomy of the Spirit by Caroline Myss, which basically talks about the mind-body element of medicine. In it, she mentions cancer, and how it is basically about unaddressed issues (blockages of chakra) and how they have allowed to become toxic. The spiritual has been allowed to taint the physical.

For example, a patient of hers was gay and had throat cancer. They literally couldn't tell their family this, so I think I remember them talking about how it killed them. Another patient worked through their blockage (different organ) and the cancer went into remission or whatever.

So if you're gay, be sure to tell everyone to avoid throat cancer.

The comic is called Slightly Damned. It's about a furry who is basically stuck in lesser Hell until he escapes as a zombie or whatever, meeting a demon and angel along the way. There also seem to be problems with the Afterlife cuz someone killed off a buncha gods and stuff.
https://www.sdamned.com/comic/
It's a fantasy comic, so for the most part, it has nothing to do with serious debate, but I thought this particular strip was relevant so yea.

It starts out kinda like this...

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