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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #510 on: June 29, 2017, 04:30:57 AM »
Are there any honest people out there that are willing to accept that there is no real proof for a rotating global Earth?

I've asked for proof and all I get are lies or acceptance of a mainstream model based on tales and ready made script.
Interesting.  I consider myself to a very honest person but I have to say I see it from the opposite point of view.  I see it as there is no real proof the Earth is flat.  I've seen plenty of proof here and elsewhere that the Earth is a globe. 

My point is that none of this is about being honest.  It's about what we individually believe.  Huge difference. 

As for me, I'm an engineer (UCONN Baby) and I need more than just opinion based proofs.  I need to see and understand the mechanism that makes something work.  I'm very good at visualizing and applying concepts outside of the norm.  It’s why I get the projects at work that don’t fit into the usual design/analysis box.  I’m able to follow most of the discussions here on a conceptual level and can see where the poster is going with it.  The trouble is I don’t buy most of it.  It doesn’t fit the mechanics of how the world operates around me...not the way I’ve been taught it works but the way I’ve observed it to work over my life time. 

Where I’m really going with it is, just because I disagree with you doesn’t make me dishonest.

Mike
I never said you were dishonest.
When I mention your name, then I'll be mentioning you.
Apart from that, what you've just typed still doesn't prove a rotating globe and remember one thing. It's you people that are on a flat Earth forum trying to refute a flat Earth or alternate Earth, by either potentially honest means or by certain people being dishonest in pushing a rotating globe in the faces of people who can clearly see that there is no direct proof for a rotating globe.

Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #511 on: June 29, 2017, 04:35:34 AM »
Are there any honest people out there that are willing to accept that there is no real proof for a rotating global Earth?

I've asked for proof and all I get are lies or acceptance of a mainstream model based on tales and ready made script.

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe. It's not because they're dishonest or that the earth is not a globe, it's because you're dishonest. The ship over the horizon was provided to and you dismissed it out of hand and called those of us who have personally observed this effect liars.

You will never ever find what you are looking for but that's saying more about you than about the honesty of others or about the shape of the earth.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #512 on: June 29, 2017, 04:36:49 AM »
Are there any honest people out there that are willing to accept that there is no real proof for a rotating global Earth?
No, because the honest people have realised there is.

Are there any honest FEers out there that are willing to accept that there is real proof for a rotating global Earth and none for a FE?


I've asked for proof and all I get
is a whole bunch of proof and people getting tired of your childish bullshit where you just ignore the proof that is given.

I never said you were dishonest.
When I mention your name, then I'll be mentioning you.
Your extremely dishonest implication is clear. You are suggesting that anyone who thinks there is proof for a global Earth is lying/dishonest and that honest people would "accept" that there is no proof, all while being extremely dishonest yourself and ignoring all the proof that has been provided to you.

in the faces of people who can clearly see that there is no direct proof for a rotating globe.
You mean the faces of people (like you) who will blatantly ignore any proof that is provided and continually lie and assert that there is no proof and none has been provided?

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.
We can, and have.
How about you stop pretending we haven't?

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #513 on: June 29, 2017, 04:45:42 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #514 on: June 29, 2017, 04:48:31 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.

This from a man that freely accuses others of being dishonest!
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #515 on: June 29, 2017, 04:55:14 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.
The issue isn't their inability to provide the proof, it is your unwillingness to look at it.
I can get all the proof in the world, but I can't force you to look at it.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #516 on: June 29, 2017, 04:58:47 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.

This from a man that freely accuses others of being dishonest!
I'm entitled to accuse people of being dishonest, just as you people are of me.
Proving it isn't so easy and I can't prove any of you are really dishonest. You may be just extremely gullible and naive and not in any acceptance that you are parroting lies.

At least you were honest in saying you cannot prove your spinning globe. If others were like you, then they might just start looking at the massive flaws in it that are catered for with magical mysteries.

You appear to be questioning the model that was spoon fed to you, so that's a start. Keep it up and you may just surprise yourself and see the other potentials/alternates to the schooled lies you adhered to like a limpet.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #517 on: June 29, 2017, 04:59:59 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.

This from a man that freely accuses others of being dishonest!
I'm entitled to accuse people of being dishonest, just as you people are of me.
Proving it isn't so easy and I can't prove any of you are really dishonest. You may be just extremely gullible and naive and not in any acceptance that you are parroting lies.

At least you were honest in saying you cannot prove your spinning globe. If others were like you, then they might just start looking at the massive flaws in it that are catered for with magical mysteries.

You appear to be questioning the model that was spoon fed to you, so that's a start. Keep it up and you may just surprise yourself and see the other potentials/alternates to the schooled lies you adhered to like a limpet.

Either you're not that bright or you are deliberately missing my point.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #518 on: June 29, 2017, 05:00:41 AM »

There are plenty of honest people out there but there is no one anywhere that could show you any proof whatsoever that the earth is a globe.
No problem. I already knew it and just wanted honest people to accept it. Nice one, at least you are being honest.
The issue isn't their inability to provide the proof, it is your unwillingness to look at it.
I can get all the proof in the world, but I can't force you to look at it.
Then get me the proof.
Leave out the gunk and crap you've spewed for 10 million pages and give me all that proof you appear to have.

Don't get all silly and start using water curving because it's embarrassing for you and makes me cringe for you...in a sniggering way.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #519 on: June 29, 2017, 05:01:51 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #520 on: June 29, 2017, 05:02:32 AM »
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Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.

we told you a lot of time how you can find out the shape of the earth but you simply refuse all of these explanations.

but an engineer learned how to perform tests and how to interpret the results.
also an engineer learns more about physical laws than a gardener or pizza maker.

ask astrophysics how the universe looks like, they even studied that topic.
you can trust them the most. like you can trust a surgeon more than a pizza maker to perform an operation on you.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #521 on: June 29, 2017, 05:04:29 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

Well I still have no idea why you dismiss the ship over the horizon example. Go to the ocean and watch tall ships with binoculars for a day.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #522 on: June 29, 2017, 05:43:43 AM »
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Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.

we told you a lot of time how you can find out the shape of the earth but you simply refuse all of these explanations.

but an engineer learned how to perform tests and how to interpret the results.
also an engineer learns more about physical laws than a gardener or pizza maker.

ask astrophysics how the universe looks like, they even studied that topic.
you can trust them the most. like you can trust a surgeon more than a pizza maker to perform an operation on you.
There's no such thing as astrophysics, unless you mean fictional stories concerning it, just like fictional astrophysicists.
It'll have to be renamed to something that fits a potential reality.

Do you know what an engineer actually is?

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #523 on: June 29, 2017, 05:44:31 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

Well I still have no idea why you dismiss the ship over the horizon example. Go to the ocean and watch tall ships with binoculars for a day.
I have done and I've never saw them fall over any bump in any water.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #524 on: June 29, 2017, 06:38:38 AM »
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Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.

we told you a lot of time how you can find out the shape of the earth but you simply refuse all of these explanations.

but an engineer learned how to perform tests and how to interpret the results.
also an engineer learns more about physical laws than a gardener or pizza maker.

ask astrophysics how the universe looks like, they even studied that topic.
you can trust them the most. like you can trust a surgeon more than a pizza maker to perform an operation on you.
There's no such thing as astrophysics, unless you mean fictional stories concerning it, just like fictional astrophysicists.
It'll have to be renamed to something that fits a potential reality.

Do you know what an engineer actually is?

yes because i am an engineer.

what are you, a pizza maker?  so that you can claim you have experience with flat objects ;D

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #525 on: June 29, 2017, 06:47:50 AM »
Are there any honest people out there that are willing to accept that there is no real proof for a rotating global Earth?

I've asked for proof and all I get are lies or acceptance of a mainstream model based on tales and ready made script.
Interesting.  I consider myself to a very honest person but I have to say I see it from the opposite point of view.  I see it as there is no real proof the Earth is flat.  I've seen plenty of proof here and elsewhere that the Earth is a globe. 

My point is that none of this is about being honest.  It's about what we individually believe.  Huge difference. 

As for me, I'm an engineer (UCONN Baby) and I need more than just opinion based proofs.  I need to see and understand the mechanism that makes something work.  I'm very good at visualizing and applying concepts outside of the norm.  It’s why I get the projects at work that don’t fit into the usual design/analysis box.  I’m able to follow most of the discussions here on a conceptual level and can see where the poster is going with it.  The trouble is I don’t buy most of it.  It doesn’t fit the mechanics of how the world operates around me...not the way I’ve been taught it works but the way I’ve observed it to work over my life time. 

Where I’m really going with it is, just because I disagree with you doesn’t make me dishonest.

Mike
I never said you were dishonest.
When I mention your name, then I'll be mentioning you.
Apart from that, what you've just typed still doesn't prove a rotating globe and remember one thing. It's you people that are on a flat Earth forum trying to refute a flat Earth or alternate Earth, by either potentially honest means or by certain people being dishonest in pushing a rotating globe in the faces of people who can clearly see that there is no direct proof for a rotating globe.

Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.
I apologize. I never meant to imply you were taking about me specifically. I assumed you were taking about round earth believers in general...of which I am one.

The part about the engineer was just to provide perspective into how I view things. nothing more than that.

Mike
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #526 on: June 29, 2017, 07:11:05 AM »
Are there any honest people out there that are willing to accept that there is no real proof for a rotating global Earth?

I've asked for proof and all I get are lies or acceptance of a mainstream model based on tales and ready made script.
Interesting.  I consider myself to a very honest person but I have to say I see it from the opposite point of view.  I see it as there is no real proof the Earth is flat.  I've seen plenty of proof here and elsewhere that the Earth is a globe. 

My point is that none of this is about being honest.  It's about what we individually believe.  Huge difference. 

As for me, I'm an engineer (UCONN Baby) and I need more than just opinion based proofs.  I need to see and understand the mechanism that makes something work.  I'm very good at visualizing and applying concepts outside of the norm.  It’s why I get the projects at work that don’t fit into the usual design/analysis box.  I’m able to follow most of the discussions here on a conceptual level and can see where the poster is going with it.  The trouble is I don’t buy most of it.  It doesn’t fit the mechanics of how the world operates around me...not the way I’ve been taught it works but the way I’ve observed it to work over my life time. 

Where I’m really going with it is, just because I disagree with you doesn’t make me dishonest.

Mike
I never said you were dishonest.
When I mention your name, then I'll be mentioning you.
Apart from that, what you've just typed still doesn't prove a rotating globe and remember one thing. It's you people that are on a flat Earth forum trying to refute a flat Earth or alternate Earth, by either potentially honest means or by certain people being dishonest in pushing a rotating globe in the faces of people who can clearly see that there is no direct proof for a rotating globe.

Being an engineer gives you no authority on the shape of the Earth, anymore than a gardener or a pizza maker, etc.

So how about giving me a nailed on proof.
If you can't, then simply say that.
I apologize. I never meant to imply you were taking about me specifically. I assumed you were taking about round earth believers in general...of which I am one.

The part about the engineer was just to provide perspective into how I view things. nothing more than that.

Mike
And that's fair enough in what you say.
I accept that you could well be a very intelligent engineer and know your designated stuff, plus being able to solve many off the wall problems, etc.
If you are totally honest with yourself though, you would concede that you do not know for sure that the Earth is a rotating globe that we live on.

Argue all you want that you know it's a globe but until you absolutely prove it then you have nothing.
I went from being a globalist to alternate Earth theory because I realised ther eis no proof for a globe and it's basically based on some potentials to absolute nonsense.

It's weird how people can be made to think it's a globe though. I remember doing just that whilst out fishing at night. I always look back to that time as a point of how I was brainwashed into believing a globe before finally realising it is anything but a globe and especially not a rotating one.

All globalists who've had the opportunity to look critically at the model, should be questioning it in a serious manner and not just spouting off against alternate theories.
Those that do this are simply weaklings.

Those who believe Earth is a globe without any other reason, other than they were told in schools and by peers, can be excused from the argument, because those people just go about their lives not really giving a rats arse...and are just doing their daily tasks.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #527 on: June 29, 2017, 07:24:02 AM »
Here's a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Qpxvew7AXKg

I put it together from still images taken by Apollo 11.

The images contain weather patterns unique to the time they were taken and the photos (and also the live TV images showing them) were publicly available at the time they were taken.

The weather patterns are verified by up to 3 different meteorological satellites that also published their data at the time.

I regard it as entirely satisfactory proof that the Earth spins not because someone told me it is, but because all of the evidence supports them being genuine. If anyone has any proof that the images and what they show aren't genuine, by all means provide it.

None will be forthcoming, and I await the inevitable dismissal without any kind of logical and coherently constructed rebuttal with resignation, but I won't have anyone claiming he wasn't provided with evidence when he has been. Knee jerk dismissal and an unfounded sense of superiority don't count as proof.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #528 on: June 29, 2017, 07:27:10 AM »
But scepty, too many facts are on a spinning globe side. No brainwashing needed.
FET is religion. No evidence will convince a FE-er. It would be easier to convince Muslims they are wrong.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #529 on: June 29, 2017, 07:46:27 AM »
Here's a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Qpxvew7AXKg

I put it together from still images taken by Apollo 11.

The images contain weather patterns unique to the time they were taken and the photos (and also the live TV images showing them) were publicly available at the time they were taken.

The weather patterns are verified by up to 3 different meteorological satellites that also published their data at the time.

I regard it as entirely satisfactory proof that the Earth spins not because someone told me it is, but because all of the evidence supports them being genuine. If anyone has any proof that the images and what they show aren't genuine, by all means provide it.

None will be forthcoming, and I await the inevitable dismissal without any kind of logical and coherently constructed rebuttal with resignation, but I won't have anyone claiming he wasn't provided with evidence when he has been. Knee jerk dismissal and an unfounded sense of superiority don't count as proof.
Aren't you the one that believes flash Gordon saved the universe?

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #530 on: June 29, 2017, 07:58:21 AM »
But scepty, too many facts are on a spinning globe side. No brainwashing needed.
There are no facts of a spinning globe. None.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #531 on: June 29, 2017, 08:11:47 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

Well I still have no idea why you dismiss the ship over the horizon example. Go to the ocean and watch tall ships with binoculars for a day.
I have done and I've never saw them fall over any bump in any water.

I haven'r either. How is that relevant?
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #532 on: June 29, 2017, 08:17:46 AM »
Here's a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Qpxvew7AXKg

I put it together from still images taken by Apollo 11.

The images contain weather patterns unique to the time they were taken and the photos (and also the live TV images showing them) were publicly available at the time they were taken.

The weather patterns are verified by up to 3 different meteorological satellites that also published their data at the time.

I regard it as entirely satisfactory proof that the Earth spins not because someone told me it is, but because all of the evidence supports them being genuine. If anyone has any proof that the images and what they show aren't genuine, by all means provide it.

None will be forthcoming, and I await the inevitable dismissal without any kind of logical and coherently constructed rebuttal with resignation, but I won't have anyone claiming he wasn't provided with evidence when he has been. Knee jerk dismissal and an unfounded sense of superiority don't count as proof.
Aren't you the one that believes flash Gordon saved the universe?
Right on cue.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #533 on: June 29, 2017, 08:19:30 AM »
But scepty, too many facts are on a spinning globe side. No brainwashing needed.
There are no facts of a spinning globe. None.

Well there are but you will never see them. This is because you do not want to see them.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #534 on: June 29, 2017, 08:37:09 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

Well I still have no idea why you dismiss the ship over the horizon example. Go to the ocean and watch tall ships with binoculars for a day.
I have done and I've never saw them fall over any bump in any water.

I haven'r either. How is that relevant?
Isn't that what you people believe is happening with boats and ships?
Don't they supposedly fall/sail over the bump of your sea.

I think it's quite funny that people believe ships and boats just drop over the top of water BUMPS.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #535 on: June 29, 2017, 08:38:23 AM »
But scepty, too many facts are on a spinning globe side. No brainwashing needed.
There are no facts of a spinning globe. None.

Well there are but you will never see them. This is because you do not want to see them.
I'll never see them because they do not exist. They only exist in the heads of people who are brainwashed or still brainwashed to this very day, regardless of age.

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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #536 on: June 29, 2017, 08:41:52 AM »


Either you're not that bright or you are purposely missing my point.
I'll leave that up to you.
In the mean-time, start using your brain and stop reading fiction and spewing it out as a truth.
Be thankful that I'm here to keep you right.

Well I still have no idea why you dismiss the ship over the horizon example. Go to the ocean and watch tall ships with binoculars for a day.
I have done and I've never saw them fall over any bump in any water.

I haven'r either. How is that relevant?
Isn't that what you people believe is happening with boats and ships?
Don't they supposedly fall/sail over the bump of your sea.

I think it's quite funny that people believe ships and boats just drop over the top of water BUMPS.

Well no one has described it that way except for you. This is because you have already determined that the earth is flat and thus, any evidence to the contrary is considered wrong and worthy of mockery.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #537 on: June 29, 2017, 08:42:50 AM »
But scepty, too many facts are on a spinning globe side. No brainwashing needed.
There are no facts of a spinning globe. None.

Well there are but you will never see them. This is because you do not want to see them.
I'll never see them because they do not exist. They only exist in the heads of people who are brainwashed or still brainwashed to this very day, regardless of age.

Well they do exist but you will never see them.
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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #538 on: June 29, 2017, 08:49:32 AM »
Are there any honest people
From the guy who claims he's a north Korean dissident and luxury sports car driving multi-millionaire inventor (of a "diving implement").  Been out in the helicopter lately?

How's the scale-model of your dome coming along?  Ready to release your laser over a frozen lake test results?

You don't even play your own games honestly.   :'(


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Re: Video Proof
« Reply #539 on: June 29, 2017, 08:54:05 AM »
Isn't that what you people believe is happening with boats and ships?
Don't they supposedly fall/sail over the bump of your sea.

I think it's quite funny that people believe ships and boats just drop over the top of water BUMPS.

i could almost believe in reincarnation, because your thinking is that of a person from the stoneage. ;D

learn something and look up how gravity works.