The Earth is flat... now what?

So, the Earth is flat instead of a floating ball in space. Now what?

Other than changing how I think about our habitat and revealing a massive secret that's been pretty much hiding in plain sight, what are some ways this impacts me (and you... and everyone!) as an individual(s)?

I mean, aside from the initial "holy sh*t" moment, things still seem/will be the same. I'm still working a crappy 9-5, my kid still goes to a mediocre American public school, politicians are still full of crap and I can't get rid of this belly fat no matter how much I go to the gym and eat a health diet.

All joking aside... I am really curious about how this effects things.

Why does it have to?

So, the Earth is flat instead of a floating ball in space. Now what?

Other than changing how I think about our habitat and revealing a massive secret that's been pretty much hiding in plain sight, what are some ways this impacts me (and you... and everyone!) as an individual(s)?

I mean, aside from the initial "holy sh*t" moment, things still seem/will be the same. I'm still working a crappy 9-5, my kid still goes to a mediocre American public school, politicians are still full of crap and I can't get rid of this belly fat no matter how much I go to the gym and eat a health diet.

All joking aside... I am really curious about how this effects things.

Because it is not the reality that the earth is flat.
All science show that it is a globe.
How do we explain how direct flights from Sydney australia to Johannesburg south africa.

Why should we believe the false idea of  a flat earth that is proven to be wrong

So, the Earth is flat instead of a floating ball in space. Now what?

Other than changing how I think about our habitat and revealing a massive secret that's been pretty much hiding in plain sight, what are some ways this impacts me (and you... and everyone!) as an individual(s)?

I mean, aside from the initial "holy sh*t" moment, things still seem/will be the same. I'm still working a crappy 9-5, my kid still goes to a mediocre American public school, politicians are still full of crap and I can't get rid of this belly fat no matter how much I go to the gym and eat a health diet.

All joking aside... I am really curious about how this effects things.

Most importantly, for the millions of people whose jobs require a knowledge of the globe earth (pilots, sailors, civil engineers, astronomers/aerospace industry, communications industry etc.) a flat earth involves them in the silly conspiracy that they are aware the earth is flat yet they lie.

From a societal point of view, it is another anti-intellectual movement that devalues the role of science and critical thinking. Society is dumb enough. We really don't need flat earth at the moment.

Flatearthism is a great trending hobby for older disgruntled men in their 40's and above to engage in, it will really soothe your blood and keep you calm , there is a big community for it and you'll feel important and feel a sense of worth if you join it. Flatearthism is also really good for liberal millennials too 

What about older disgruntled women in their 40s and above?

What about older disgruntled women in their 40s and above?

yes, women/men

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

   

What about older disgruntled women in their 40s and above?

What do you mean by "older . . . . in their 40s and above"?
He's not in slightest bit disgruntled! He's quite gruntled by this whole flat earth joke thing!

Since he lives in Queensland (most of the time), but works for Microsoft in Seattle,

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

I did not document a record of the journey and I can tell you it was an unbiased effort without expectation of the conclusion. 

If you decide to embark on a similar course of action, you will also conclude the Earth is flat.  You do have to go at it without fear of what you may discover...

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 10, 2017, 03:59:42 PM

What about older disgruntled women in their 40s and above?

What do you mean by "older . . . . in their 40s and above"?

Kiddo, you are, I believe, still a couple of years younger that my youngest son! 

He's not in slightest bit disgruntled! He's quite gruntled by this whole flat earth joke thing!

Since he lives in Queensland (most of the time), but works for Microsoft in Seattle,

he flies around the world enough to know for sure that, "It ain't flat mate!".

I'm gonna be 50 next year, grandpa 

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

I did not document a record of the journey and I can tell you it was an unbiased effort without expectation of the conclusion. 

If you decide to embark on a similar course of action, you will also conclude the Earth is flat.  You do have to go at it without fear of what you may discover...

I looked at all the "evidence" that flat earth idea believers brought up and each and everyone is disproved. I did not see a single evidence that could support the idea of a flat earth.
I saw claims from not understanding to simply lying about what people showed as "evidence".

I also ask here very easy questions and I did not get one answer for that.

Therefore I ask for your evidence that you believe in a flat earth.

I also ask here very easy questions and I did not get one answer for that.

Blame your manner for that. I've seen FEers at the very least attempt answers for every single objection; maybe you wouldn't accept them, but they do answer. But when the same people ask the same questions over and over not many are going to want to keep saying the same thing, especially when the person they're talking to seems more willing to just constantly demand that they do whatever they're asked, and make sweeping claims indicating a pretty clear lack of any real interest in the answer.

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 05:46:12 PM

I also ask here very easy questions and I did not get one answer for that.

Blame your manner for that. I've seen FEers at the very least attempt answers for every single objection; maybe you wouldn't accept them, but they do answer. But when the same people ask the same questions over and over not many are going to want to keep saying the same thing, especially when the person they're talking to seems more willing to just constantly demand that they do whatever they're asked, and make sweeping claims indicating a pretty clear lack of any real interest in the answer.

That is not true.
Or show me where the answer is that explain the question about the problem of the sun set and sun rise and the direction (for example at the equator at 21 of March)
You can find that question in the Q&A section.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

How do you tell geodetic scientists who have spent their entire professional careers studying the shape and workings of the earth that everything that they know is wrong?

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

How do you tell geodetic scientists who have spent their entire professional careers studying the shape and workings of the earth that everything that they know is wrong?

My first reaction is that they have not been exposed to enough FET.  Since the onset of the round Earth movement, FET has been forced into the background. 

If we can get FET into educational systems, geodetic scientists will have the opportunity to arrive at proper Earth shape identification and would gladly allow themselves a different professional classification. .   

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 05:46:12 PM

I also ask here very easy questions and I did not get one answer for that.

Blame your manner for that. I've seen FEers at the very least attempt answers for every single objection; maybe you wouldn't accept them, but they do answer. But when the same people ask the same questions over and over not many are going to want to keep saying the same thing, especially when the person they're talking to seems more willing to just constantly demand that they do whatever they're asked, and make sweeping claims indicating a pretty clear lack of any real interest in the answer.

Ever tried asking how a lunar eclipse can be explained on the FE model in "the Wiki"? I have.
          Re: Why the Lunar Eclipse is Red « Message by rabinoz on April 16, 2016, 10:23:14 PM ».
No-one is prepared to support the Wiki explanation in The Flat Earth Wiki, The Lunar Eclipse, yet it's still there.
The only explanations seem to involve quite meaningless geometries, bioluminescent bacteria or similar.

Then "the Wiki" explanation for even lunar phases is quite meaningless, see this thread:
          How does a Full Moon appear Full for everyone? « Message by rabinoz on May 26, 2016, 10:29:22 PM »

Parts of the Wiki are quite obviously incorrect. See

Q: Why does the moon and the phases look the same to everyone one earth regardless of where they are?
A: It doesn't. The phase you see varies depending on your location on earth. In FET this is explained by the different observers standing on either side of the moon. On one side it is right-side up, and on the other side, it is upside down.

From: The Phases of the Moon

This simply incorrect! The phase of the moon is the same north or south of the equator, but the moon does appear "upside down" here.

But trying to get anyone to address problems like that seems quite impossible.
There are so many points like this that simply do not fit with reality, yet just get ignored by most flat earthers.

Maybe I don't ask my questions in the right "tone of voice" .

If we can get FET into educational systems, geodetic scientists will have the opportunity to arrive at proper Earth shape identification and would gladly allow themselves a different professional classification. .   

Before you try to get FET into the educational system, don't you think that it might help to develop a coherent FE model to teach first?

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

I did not document a record of the journey and I can tell you it was an unbiased effort without expectation of the conclusion. 

If you decide to embark on a similar course of action, you will also conclude the Earth is flat.  You do have to go at it without fear of what you may discover...

As I previously said. Anti-intellectualism and lack of critical thought are the hallmarks of FET. Even the most simple perusal of FET reveals shortcomings in explanations for clearly observable phenomena. For a start there is no agreed upon map. The most popular map can in no way explain simple things like sunset/sunrise, the seasons, moon phases, North/south variance in viewable stars and their rotation etc etc.

So absolutely no. People who look into FET (and I've tried) can only come to the conclusion the earth is flat if they are incapable of even the most basic thought processes.

Quote from: markjo on June 10, 2017, 06:17:31 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

How do you tell geodetic scientists who have spent their entire professional careers studying the shape and workings of the earth that everything that they know is wrong?

My first reaction is that they have not been exposed to enough FET.  Since the onset of the round Earth movement, FET has been forced into the background. 

If we can get FET into educational systems, geodetic scientists will have the opportunity to arrive at proper Earth shape identification and would gladly allow themselves a different professional classification. .   

That is impossible.
How do you teach something without any evidence to support it.
Each claim can easy be disproven by the students that do think for them self.

My first reaction is that they have not been exposed to enough FET.  Since the onset of the round Earth movement, FET has been forced into the background. 

If we can get FET into educational systems, geodetic scientists will have the opportunity to arrive at proper Earth shape identification and would gladly allow themselves a different professional classification. .   

You really have to go back a long way to find widespread belief in a flat earth, look at:
        Re: Freemasonry and Flat Earth « Message by rabinoz on April 01, 2017, 06:38:03 PM »

I think you mean "geodetic surveyors" not "geodetic scientists".

But, I don't think that will help you one little bit!

After all, it was the "father of Geodesy", Al-Biruni, who did a lot of work measuring the Globe.

Learn a bit about him in: Al-Biruni, a polymath, Founder of Indology and geodesy - note that is an Islamic web-site, not your dreaded Wikipedia .

Al-Biruni was born in the province of Khorasan, in Northeastern Persia in 973. Like many other children in his time, he was educated at a young age, learning the Arabic and Persian languages, as well as basic Islamic studies, and natural sciences. Early on, he took an interest in mathematics and astronomy, which he specialized in under the eminent astronomers of the day.
Al-Biruni continued a remarkable career in the early 1000s, doing research into fields such as:

• How the earth spins on its axis
  
• How wells and springs transport water to the surface
  
• Combining statics and dynamics into the study of mechanics
  
• Recording the latitude and longitude of thousands of cities, which allowed him to determine the direction towards Makkah for each city
  
• The optical nature of shadows, particularly their use for the calculation of prayer times
  
• Separating scientific astronomy from superstitious astrology
  

Geodesic (or geodetic) surveyors measure, no so much the shape of the earth, as the size of countries and the size of the earth.

The sizes that have been known for centuries simply do not fit on a flat surface - end of story.

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 05:18:42 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

I did not document a record of the journey and I can tell you it was an unbiased effort without expectation of the conclusion. 

If you decide to embark on a similar course of action, you will also conclude the Earth is flat.  You do have to go at it without fear of what you may discover...

As I previously said. Anti-intellectualism and lack of critical thought are the hallmarks of FET. Even the most simple perusal of FET reveals shortcomings in explanations for clearly observable phenomena. For a start there is no agreed upon map. The most popular map can in no way explain simple things like sunset/sunrise, the seasons, moon phases, North/south variance in viewable stars and their rotation etc etc.

So absolutely no. People who look into FET (and I've tried) can only come to the conclusion the earth is flat if they are incapable of even the most basic thought processes.

You on the other hand, looked at the FE evidence. Then came to the only conclusion the your brainwashing allows. The earth is round, FE makes no sense at all.

Brainwashers.     1
Indidual thought 0

Quote from: Zammo on June 10, 2017, 07:22:00 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 05:18:42 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: gotham on June 10, 2017, 04:29:31 PM

I don't know how many other FEers had the same experience I did upon realizing the Earth is flat? It was more of confirming what I suspected and additional research backed up my suspicions and life just goes on as usual.

I do empathize with science types that will struggle with their realization of proper Earth shape. They are so comfortable with the pretend world they currently believe in. Suffice it to say it is not their fault and we all know why and how they came to their belief.

 

Show us your research and the evidence you found that made you believe that the earth is flat.

I did not document a record of the journey and I can tell you it was an unbiased effort without expectation of the conclusion. 

If you decide to embark on a similar course of action, you will also conclude the Earth is flat.  You do have to go at it without fear of what you may discover...

As I previously said. Anti-intellectualism and lack of critical thought are the hallmarks of FET. Even the most simple perusal of FET reveals shortcomings in explanations for clearly observable phenomena. For a start there is no agreed upon map. The most popular map can in no way explain simple things like sunset/sunrise, the seasons, moon phases, North/south variance in viewable stars and their rotation etc etc.

So absolutely no. People who look into FET (and I've tried) can only come to the conclusion the earth is flat if they are incapable of even the most basic thought processes.

You on the other hand, looked at the FE evidence. Then came to the only conclusion the your brainwashing allows. The earth is round, FE makes no sense at all.

Brainwashers.     1
Indidual thought 0

The much repeated and intellectually dishonest defence of the conspiracy theorist. Unable to defend your "theory" with evidence, you fall on the old trope that people who believe in a scientifically accepted explanation are "brainwashed" and unable to see the sense in a flat earth due to bias. Absolute nonsense. We're simply able to see through the BS presented on this forum and in the laughable YouTube videos that defend a flat earth. As I said, you have no sensible map that you can even agree on, let alone explain a raft of clearly observable phenomena - all clearly and elegantly explained but a spherical earth. Talk about brainwashed. You FET's are the definition of gullible. Believing in a flat earth is not individual thought. It's individual stupidity.

Quote from: Jane on June 10, 2017, 05:49:49 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on June 10, 2017, 05:46:12 PM

I also ask here very easy questions and I did not get one answer for that.

Blame your manner for that. I've seen FEers at the very least attempt answers for every single objection; maybe you wouldn't accept them, but they do answer. But when the same people ask the same questions over and over not many are going to want to keep saying the same thing, especially when the person they're talking to seems more willing to just constantly demand that they do whatever they're asked, and make sweeping claims indicating a pretty clear lack of any real interest in the answer.

Ever tried asking how a lunar eclipse can be explained on the FE model in "the Wiki"? I have.
          Re: Why the Lunar Eclipse is Red « Message by rabinoz on April 16, 2016, 10:23:14 PM ».
No-one is prepared to support the Wiki explanation in The Flat Earth Wiki, The Lunar Eclipse, yet it's still there.
The only explanations seem to involve quite meaningless geometries, bioluminescent bacteria or similar.
...
Maybe I don't ask my questions in the right "tone of voice" .

Tone of voice matters. if you're expected to give the same answer dozens to hundreds of times, why repeat it to someone that doesn't listen? You can't honestly believe you're the only one to have asked that.
And I think your post is probably the perfect illustration of the problem. You can't say you don't get answers, and then go on to just say that you don't like the explanations given. That's an issue with you, not the FEers who responded.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 10, 2017, 06:59:24 PM

Ever tried asking how a lunar eclipse can be explained on the FE model in "the Wiki"? I have.
          Re: Why the Lunar Eclipse is Red « Message by rabinoz on April 16, 2016, 10:23:14 PM ».
No-one is prepared to support the Wiki explanation in The Flat Earth Wiki, The Lunar Eclipse, yet it's still there.
The only explanations seem to involve quite meaningless geometries, bioluminescent bacteria or similar.
...
Maybe I don't ask my questions in the right "tone of voice" .

Tone of voice matters. if you're expected to give the same answer dozens to hundreds of times, why repeat it to someone that doesn't listen? You can't honestly believe you're the only one to have asked that.
And I think your post is probably the perfect illustration of the problem. You can't say you don't get answers, and then go on to just say that you don't like the explanations given. That's an issue with you, not the FEers who responded.

Well, have you seen a logical flat earth explanation for lunar eclipses or even lunar phases?

Though I'm not much concerned with a few "dedicated" flat earthed,  but rather the hundreds that are often lurking on the site.

Except no, because countless rockets slamming into something would leave soot and oil and mangled bits of burned plastic stuck to the dome. And meteorites somehow get through this impregnable dome. And it is completely invisible from all possible angles. And it is undetectable by radar or infrared or laser rangefinding. And that's not even considering how mad and impossible the flat Earth idea itself actually is...

Except no, because countless rockets slamming into something would leave soot and oil and mangled bits of burned plastic stuck to the dome. And meteorites somehow get through this impregnable dome. And it is completely invisible from all possible angles. And it is undetectable by radar or infrared or laser rangefinding. And that's not even considering how mad and impossible the flat Earth idea itself actually is...

What I find most hilarious is that they claim that the rocket hits the dome at 73 miles or so.

Yet they claim that the sun, moon and stars are 3,000 miles or more above the earth!

Maybe old Albert knew a thing or two when he wrote:

....

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

― Albert Einstein

Remember that Einstein, when referring to Earth shape, is quoted as saying "it may be flat."

He is never quoted as saying "it may be round."

The mystery of his real belief still lingers and is part of ongoing debate. 

Remember that Einstein, when referring to Earth shape, is quoted as saying "it may be flat."

He is never quoted as saying "it may be round."

The mystery of his real belief still lingers and is part of ongoing debate.

He did not say that. Check.